Is weed and feed safe around kids?

[QualityLawnCare4u]

I picked up a new client today that runs a small daycare out of her home. Spent about 3 hours doing a spring cleanup and light prunning. She wanted to know if I could put out some weed and feed in her yard. I was wondering is this safe around kids? I am working on getting my license and am a little scared of it even though it is granual. Thought about doing it on a friday afternoon right before a good rain where it would be washed down by monday morning. I told her that I could not spray out any liquid weed killer like round up untill I got my license (I hate telling somone that). Wanted to know if something like scotts weed and feed would be safe. I found something aWHOLE lot cheaper that is a weed and feed that is 28-3-3 but dont know much about it. I have to admit that this is one of my weak points but wont be for long, am learning/asking as much as I can.

[Turf Smart]

Wow!! This one really makes me shake my head. There are many issues here. All I can tell you is DON'T DO IT!!! You are in major violation!
You cannot apply either a liquid or granular without a license. Lets just leave it at that for now.

[QualityLawnCare4u]

Wow!! This one really makes me shake my head. There are many issues here. All I can tell you is DON'T DO IT!!! You are in major violation!
You cannot apply either a liquid or granular without a license. Lets just leave it at that for now.

Well excuse me turf smart, that is why I asked for! I do not do anything that is unknown to me without asking! Believe it or not, in the 7 years Ive been in biz, not one person has asked me to fertilize or spray up until this year. Im going to the county agent tommorow to find out what I need to do. Excuse my ignorance.

[lawnservice]

the saying goes "ignorance is bliss"....except in this case.

once you are fully trained, licensed and insured, only then will you understand why Turf Smart 'snapped' at you.

Good luck

[woodycrest]

So..

is weed and feed safe around kids??

seems to me that is the question.

So, since hardworking-poorman isnt licensed, that means you cant give him any answer except the standard 'licenced and insured' response?

[jimslawns]

I was wondering...... Could we use "read the directions"????? :realmad:

Besides weed and feed is pretty general, what exactly is (or was) he thinking of putting down?

[tjgray]

Doesn't anyone read anymore :confused:

[Turf Smart]

So..

is weed and feed safe around kids??

seems to me that is the question.

So, since hardworking-poorman isnt licensed, that means you cant give him any answer except the standard 'licenced and insured' response?

"Woody" - I did not get into specifics regarding safety etc. because there were many issues in the question which were alarming. The first issue at hand was whether or not he would be in violation. That is what I addressed. To answer the question, however, yes weed & feed is safe when used according to the label directions. The re-entry time would be my first concern.

[Turf Smart]

Well excuse me turf smart, that is why I asked for! I do not do anything that is unknown to me without asking! Believe it or not, in the 7 years Ive been in biz, not one person has asked me to fertilize or spray up until this year. Im going to the county agent tommorow to find out what I need to do. Excuse my ignorance.

Hardworking-Poorman:
I apoligize if I affended you. I do think it is a good thing that you asked the question as opposed to just doing the job and putting children in danger and yourself in legal trouble. I encourage you to contact the local agencies to obtain a license. It is a great service to offer as well as being very gratifying and profitable. If you have other questions you have found the right site for answers. There are many people here who take a lot of pride in what they do as well as offer solid, real, advice about what to do.

[woodycrest]

sorry,
i didnt mean to cause a big hoopla here, but i just get tired of that same response all the time.

Turfsmart,
i just think for something as 'sensitive' as a daycare center this was an important question worthy of a clear answer....which you provided.

There are many people here who take a lot of pride in what they do as well as offer solid, real, advice about what to do.

i agree!

[tjgray]

Woody I get tired of this very same question being asked over and over and over day after day in one form or another. It seems to me that with over a year being on this forum and over 500 post poorman SHOULD know at the very least that he needs to be licensed to apply chemicals. I am a newbie to this industry as well and I have maybe mowed my own yard three times in my lifetime BUT even I know various different types of mowers and yard equipment. I know what spring clean-up entails *another real stupid question that was asked recently* and I know as a professional in this industry not many would ever use or endorse weed and feed *most consider it junk*

I learned this to further my knowledge in the industry and I learned it by reading not asking insulting stupid questions.

In my opinion the lack of knowledge from some of the people that have been in the green industry for years is frightening and something a person such as I who constantly seeks to educate myself just can't understand.

[SodKing]

I would somewhat concur, though I would not tell a client the product is "Safe". I would tell them that when the product is applied according to the labeled directions and the aftercare instructions are followed in accordance with the label, then the product would not pose any adverse health affects.

[Envi-Lawn]

Hardworking Poorman, I stay away from daycare facilities of any size. Licensed or not, when soccer mom picks up jr. and finds a skin rash, the finger points to you, first. I was once accused of paralyzing a young boy after I made a pre-M app. at a condo complex. Guilty until proven innocent. Who needs the hassle?

[Up North]

Woody I get tired of this very same question being asked over and over and over day after day in one form or another. It seems to me that with over a year being on this forum and over 500 post poorman SHOULD know at the very least that he needs to be licensed to apply chemicals. I am a newbie to this industry as well and I have maybe mowed my own yard three times in my lifetime BUT even I know various different types of mowers and yard equipment. I know what spring clean-up entails *another real stupid question that was asked recently* and I know as a professional in this industry not many would ever use or endorse weed and feed *most consider it junk*

I learned this to further my knowledge in the industry and I learned it by reading not asking insulting stupid questions.

In my opinion the lack of knowledge from some of the people that have been in the green industry for years is frightening and something a person such as I who constantly seeks to educate myself just can't understand.

Tara, not to ruffle any feathers here or anything but these forums are for learning new things. Danny is trying to get into this part of the business and I find it very appropriate that he asks these questions vs. just plowing ahead and doing something that he shouldn't. If you don't know something normally you ask someone who does right? Or do some research of some sort? IMO that's what Danny is/was doing. He's trying to educate himself just as you claim to do constantly...don't see any problem in that.

Buck

[qps]

I picked up a new client today that runs a small daycare out of her home. Spent about 3 hours doing a spring cleanup and light prunning. She wanted to know if I could put out some weed and feed in her yard. I was wondering is this safe around kids? I am working on getting my license and am a little scared of it even though it is granual. Thought about doing it on a friday afternoon right before a good rain where it would be washed down by monday morning. I told her that I could not spray out any liquid weed killer like round up untill I got my license (I hate telling somone that). Wanted to know if something like scotts weed and feed would be safe. I found something aWHOLE lot cheaper that is a weed and feed that is 28-3-3 but dont know much about it. I have to admit that this is one of my weak points but wont be for long, am learning/asking as much as I can.


I know I'm gonna get my butt kicked on this one, but I'll say it again...why to some people post there "inventory" on everything....no slam intended but I could give a rat's on how many trucks or weed eaters you got....after you get so many of both...you don't care anymore...do I have a cat skidsteer...yes...do you care....I hope not... :)

[ThreeWide]

What's done is done as far as Danny's application goes. Danny...if you look at the label on the product you applied, it very well might suggest that people and pets should stay off the area until the product has been watered in. That is common.

Even if you hadn't read the label for details, that would have been a good response to the client.

Since I'm in your state, my advice would be to cease further applications until you get your license. Only because the state could stick you with a hefty fine.

[tjgray]

Tara, not to ruffle any feathers here or anything but these forums are for learning new things. Danny is trying to get into this part of the business and I find it very appropriate that he asks these questions vs. just plowing ahead and doing something that he shouldn't. If you don't know something normally you ask someone who does right? Or do some research of some sort? IMO that's what Danny is/was doing. He's trying to educate himself just as you claim to do constantly...don't see any problem in that.

Buck

I agree Buck that this forum is for learning :)

What gives me the head ache and gripe is that this question is asked in some form or another just about every day and I can't see how anyone who spends anytime reading the post here would have to ask it again.

Yes if I have a question I ask someone who knows. That someone is usually our main sub-contracter and mentor BUT I would never waste his time with a question that I haven't utilized every resource available on my own to find the answer and educate myself first.

I am not one to trust the many different conflicting information I might read on a public forum. Yes I learn from reading the post here but do I take the advice as gosple without doing the research myself....nope not at all.

I have seen examples here of when bad advice was given and without researching and learning for themselves the person just went with what they read and ended up in big trouble.

Personally I don't understand why anyone would go that route.

As an example ...we have only done chemical applications but some of our customers want total lawn care so we are getting more and more into the mowing and landscape side of things. Although as I earlier wrote I know nothing about mowing I wouldn't go to the forum and ask ya'll what kind of mower I need to start with and how short do I need to cut the grass. Besides giving all you professionals a good laugh I would only suceed in making myself look real ignorant and dumb. There are just better ways for me to learn the information I seek without going to those extremes :)

[trying 2b organic]

I was going to say what Envi did, bottom line is this one isnt worth it by a mile. spot treatment is much better than weed and feed but I sure wouldnt be doing the chem apps for a day care already expressing concerns.

[dvmcmrhp52]

Hardworking Poorman, I stay away from daycare facilities of any size. Licensed or not, when soccer mom picks up jr. and finds a skin rash, the finger points to you, first. I was once accused of paralyzing a young boy after I made a pre-M app. at a condo complex. Guilty until proven innocent. Who needs the hassle?




Sound advice.
A license makes it legal to do the application, however some sites are best left alone.
A daycare facility that has children playing on the lawns,and is interested in applying pesticides,is only trouble waiting to happen in my opinion. Just let one little johnny get a rash as stated above or have a reaction to the application whatever it may have been and you will find yourself calling your insurance agent.
No thanks.

[woodycrest]

so what are the alternatives for weed control in a sensitive situation like a daycare?

[Garth]

Weed and feed being a fertilizer and broadleaf weedkiller should not be applied without a license. Secondly, if you want to get very technical, 2,4D, the broadleaf weedkiller is currently been linked to lymphatic cancer. The EPA is testing it because of a huge increase in animals diagnosed with the disease in yards where weed and feed is often applied. I'll try and find the article and post it.

[Garth]

l H E R B I C I D E F A C T S H E E T
Caroline Cox is JPR’s editor.
BY CAROLINE COX
The widely used herbicide 2,4-D
(see Figure 1) has a startling variety of
impacts on species other than the weeds
it is designed to kill. This article summarizes
these hazards of 2,4-D for animals
and nontarget plants. The toxicology of
2,4-D is summarized in JPR 19(1):14-19
and 19(2)14-19.
Effects on Birds
Since 2,4-D is an herbicide, its ability
to harm birds is surprising. However,
both laboratory and field experiments
have documented negative impacts.
Hatching of eggs: While some studies
conclude that “after normal, or even after
excessive, 2,4-D use, there would be
no effect on birds’ eggs,”1 other studies
have shown serious effects.
Directly injecting 2,4-D acid into
chicken eggs causes blood cells to stop
dividing.2 Injection of the dimethylamine
2,4-D: ECOLOGICAL EFFECTS
2,4-D is a widely used herbicide in the phenoxy family with a startling number of adverse effects on species
other than the weeds it is designed to kill.
2,4-D reduces successful hatching of bird eggs, and destroys birds’ food and nesting habitat. It is acutely toxic
to earthworms and harms beneficial insects. Both 2,4-D (particularly the butoxyethanol ester) and a 2,4-D
breakdown product (2,4-dichlorophenol) are acutely toxic to fish.
Increased risk of lymphoma in dogs has been associated with 2,4-D exposure. A National Cancer Institute
study found that owners of dogs with lymphoma had treated their lawns with 2,4-D (or hired lawn care
companies) more frequently than owners of dogs without the disease.
2,4-D causes genetic damage in barley, wheat, rice, and onions.
2,4-D treatment can increase insect damage by increasing pest insects’ ability to reproduce. 2,4-D can also
increase the severity of plant diseases, including tomato early blight, tobacco mosaic virus, and corn leaf
blight.
Rhizobium is a nitrogen-fixing bacteria found on the roots of legumes. 2,4-D reduces its growth and nitrogenfixing
ability, as well as the growth and nitrogen-fixing ability of several species of blue-green algae.
habitat and food supply. In southwest
Kansas, a 2,4-D sagebrush control program
decreased the number of birds and
bird species. Bobwhites completely disappeared
from treated areas.8 On islands
in a Canadian lake, 2,4-D treatment expanded
grassy areas, causing birds to nest
in unsprayed areas and reducing the numbers
of nesting ducks.9 2,4-D concentrations
of 0.1 ppm in ponds can eliminate
water milfoil and sago pondweed, important
water fowl food plants.10
Effects on Fish
2,4-D’s acute toxicity to fish, as summarized
by the World Health Organization,
“varies widely” depending on species,
age, and the form of 2,4-D tested.1
In general, the butoxyethanol ester is
highly toxic to fish, salmon are particularly
sensitive, and juveniles are more sensitive
than adults. For examples of acute
LC50s of 1 ppm or less see Figure 2. (An
LC50, median lethal concentration, is the
concentration that kills 50 percent of a
population of test animals.).
Effects other than death: Sublethal effects
of 2,4-D on fish also occur at low

[QualityLawnCare4u]

Hey, sorry, did not mean to start WW3, and yes, I do know how to use the search button, just did not find what I was looking for. I decided to not mess with this one, would like to keep her as a customer though for everything else. Seems like every time I post something I get slammed and I noticed its usually by a newbie with less than 50 posts. Thanks to all who answered though and I will be checking with the county agent in the AM. I will in the future keep my questions to myself.

[QualityLawnCare4u]

I know I'm gonna get my butt kicked on this one, but I'll say it again...why to some people post there "inventory" on everything....no slam intended but I could give a rat's on how many trucks or weed eaters you got....after you get so many of both...you don't care anymore...do I have a cat skidsteer...yes...do you care....I hope not... :)

qps, would it make you feel better if I remove it? Get a life man.

[QualityLawnCare4u]

What's done is done as far as Danny's application goes. Danny...if you look at the label on the product you applied, it very well might suggest that people and pets should stay off the area until the product has been watered in. That is common.

Even if you hadn't read the label for details, that would have been a good response to the client.

Since I'm in your state, my advice would be to cease further applications until you get your license. Only because the state could stick you with a hefty fine.

Turfunlimited, I did NOT apply it. I was very concerned so I thought I would ask first. I did NOT have a good feeling about it so that is why I asked the "dumb" question. I will call her back tomorrow and explain to her that I do not feel safe with the application around kids for my protection,hers, and the childeren.

[QualityLawnCare4u]

l H E R B I C I D E F A C T S H E E T
Caroline Cox is JPR’s editor.
BY CAROLINE COX
The widely used herbicide 2,4-D
(see Figure 1) has a startling variety of
impacts on species other than the weeds
it is designed to kill. This article summarizes
these hazards of 2,4-D for animals
and nontarget plants. The toxicology of
2,4-D is summarized in JPR 19(1):14-19
and 19(2)14-19.
Effects on Birds
Since 2,4-D is an herbicide, its ability
to harm birds is surprising. However,
both laboratory and field experiments
have documented negative impacts.


Hatching of eggs: While some studies
conclude that “after normal, or even after
excessive, 2,4-D use, there would be
no effect on birds’ eggs,”1 other studies
have shown serious effects.
Directly injecting 2,4-D acid into
chicken eggs causes blood cells to stop
dividing.2 Injection of the dimethylamine
2,4-D: ECOLOGICAL EFFECTS
2,4-D is a widely used herbicide in the phenoxy family with a startling number of adverse effects on species
other than the weeds it is designed to kill.
2,4-D reduces successful hatching of bird eggs, and destroys birds’ food and nesting habitat. It is acutely toxic
to earthworms and harms beneficial insects. Both 2,4-D (particularly the butoxyethanol ester) and a 2,4-D
breakdown product (2,4-dichlorophenol) are acutely toxic to fish.
Increased risk of lymphoma in dogs has been associated with 2,4-D exposure. A National Cancer Institute
study found that owners of dogs with lymphoma had treated their lawns with 2,4-D (or hired lawn care
companies) more frequently than owners of dogs without the disease.
2,4-D causes genetic damage in barley, wheat, rice, and onions.
2,4-D treatment can increase insect damage by increasing pest insects’ ability to reproduce. 2,4-D can also
increase the severity of plant diseases, including tomato early blight, tobacco mosaic virus, and corn leaf
blight.
Rhizobium is a nitrogen-fixing bacteria found on the roots of legumes. 2,4-D reduces its growth and nitrogenfixing
ability, as well as the growth and nitrogen-fixing ability of several species of blue-green algae.
habitat and food supply. In southwest
Kansas, a 2,4-D sagebrush control program
decreased the number of birds and
bird species. Bobwhites completely disappeared
from treated areas.8 On islands
in a Canadian lake, 2,4-D treatment expanded
grassy areas, causing birds to nest
in unsprayed areas and reducing the numbers
of nesting ducks.9 2,4-D concentrations
of 0.1 ppm in ponds can eliminate
water milfoil and sago pondweed, important
water fowl food plants.10
Effects on Fish
2,4-D’s acute toxicity to fish, as summarized
by the World Health Organization,
“varies widely” depending on species,
age, and the form of 2,4-D tested.1
In general, the butoxyethanol ester is
highly toxic to fish, salmon are particularly
sensitive, and juveniles are more sensitive
than adults. For examples of acute
LC50s of 1 ppm or less see Figure 2. (An
LC50, median lethal concentration, is the
concentration that kills 50 percent of a
population of test animals.).
Effects other than death: Sublethal effects
of 2,4-D on fish also occur at low

Excellent material Garth.

[dvmcmrhp52]

Hey, sorry, did not mean to start WW3, and yes, I do know how to use the search button, just did not find what I was looking for. I decided to not mess with this one, would like to keep her as a customer though for everything else. Seems like every time I post something I get slammed and I noticed its usually by a newbie with less than 50 posts. Thanks to all who answered though and I will be checking with the county agent in the AM. I will in the future keep my questions to myself.




Don't keep your questions to yourself, just thicken your skin and ignore the typical responses.............

[SodKing]

l H E R B I C I D E F A C T S H E E T
Caroline Cox is JPR’s editor.
BY CAROLINE COX
The widely used herbicide 2,4-D
(see Figure 1) has a startling variety of
impacts on species other than the weeds
it is designed to kill. This article summarizes
these hazards of 2,4-D for animals
and nontarget plants. The toxicology of
2,4-D is summarized in JPR 19(1):14-19
and 19(2)14-19.
Effects on Birds
Since 2,4-D is an herbicide, its ability
to harm birds is surprising. However,
both laboratory and field experiments
have documented negative impacts.
Hatching of eggs: While some studies
conclude that “after normal, or even after
excessive, 2,4-D use, there would be
no effect on birds’ eggs,”1 other studies
have shown serious effects.
Directly injecting 2,4-D acid into
chicken eggs causes blood cells to stop
dividing.2 Injection of the dimethylamine
2,4-D: ECOLOGICAL EFFECTS
2,4-D is a widely used herbicide in the phenoxy family with a startling number of adverse effects on species
other than the weeds it is designed to kill.
2,4-D reduces successful hatching of bird eggs, and destroys birds’ food and nesting habitat. It is acutely toxic
to earthworms and harms beneficial insects. Both 2,4-D (particularly the butoxyethanol ester) and a 2,4-D
breakdown product (2,4-dichlorophenol) are acutely toxic to fish.
Increased risk of lymphoma in dogs has been associated with 2,4-D exposure. A National Cancer Institute
study found that owners of dogs with lymphoma had treated their lawns with 2,4-D (or hired lawn care
companies) more frequently than owners of dogs without the disease.
2,4-D causes genetic damage in barley, wheat, rice, and onions.
2,4-D treatment can increase insect damage by increasing pest insects’ ability to reproduce. 2,4-D can also
increase the severity of plant diseases, including tomato early blight, tobacco mosaic virus, and corn leaf
blight.
Rhizobium is a nitrogen-fixing bacteria found on the roots of legumes. 2,4-D reduces its growth and nitrogenfixing
ability, as well as the growth and nitrogen-fixing ability of several species of blue-green algae.
habitat and food supply. In southwest
Kansas, a 2,4-D sagebrush control program
decreased the number of birds and
bird species. Bobwhites completely disappeared
from treated areas.8 On islands
in a Canadian lake, 2,4-D treatment expanded
grassy areas, causing birds to nest
in unsprayed areas and reducing the numbers
of nesting ducks.9 2,4-D concentrations
of 0.1 ppm in ponds can eliminate
water milfoil and sago pondweed, important
water fowl food plants.10
Effects on Fish
2,4-D’s acute toxicity to fish, as summarized
by the World Health Organization,
“varies widely” depending on species,
age, and the form of 2,4-D tested.1
In general, the butoxyethanol ester is
highly toxic to fish, salmon are particularly
sensitive, and juveniles are more sensitive
than adults. For examples of acute
LC50s of 1 ppm or less see Figure 2. (An
LC50, median lethal concentration, is the
concentration that kills 50 percent of a
population of test animals.).
Effects other than death: Sublethal effects
of 2,4-D on fish also occur at low


Garth, This sounds more like the writings of an anti-pesticide lobby. The Cause and effect were not performed in a controlled environment with the proper checks and balances to insure a non-biased result. These are the same unfounded rants and raves that we have been enduring for a while. To say that a ground nesting bird species population decreased due to expanding grassy areas is caused by weed control is un-corroborated. It could have been that the number of animals that feed on birds, coyotes etc..., increased but they failed to notice it due to the unscientific nature of their observations.

[tjgray]

Turfunlimited, I did NOT apply it. I was very concerned so I thought I would ask first. I did NOT have a good feeling about it so that is why I asked the "dumb" question. I will call her back tomorrow and explain to her that I do not feel safe with the application around kids for my protection,hers, and the childeren.


When you get your license you may want to add those services so I wouldn't tell her the application is not safe. I would just tell her the truth that you are not licensed to apply but plan on changing that soon.

Sod King said it best.....when the product is applied according to the labeled directions by a licensed professional and the aftercare instructions are followed in accordance with the label, then the product would not pose any adverse health affects.

If you tell her its not safe then the industry/you loses a potential customer.

I want you to know also that my gripe has nothing to do with you personally. I just can't honestly understand how anyone could be here for so long and have so many post and not know that they can't apply chemicals without a license? Especially when one can read a few post and have that information. There is no way you will get me to believe you did a search for this information and could not find your answer.

I am glad though that you asked before you just started spraying. It's the ones that spray without proper training and educating themselves thats the real frightening reality.

[tjgray]

Excellent material Garth.

How do you know :D

[dvmcmrhp52]

When you get your license you may want to add those services so I wouldn't tell her the application is not safe. I would just tell her the truth that you are not licensed to apply but plan on changing that soon.

.





The truth.
Well the truth is that chemicals and kids don't mix. Period.
I'm not an enviro wacko but kids should certainly come before making a buck. One less Chem App really isn't going to hurt anyone. How many daycare centers are there in any given area?
Not enough to matter to anyone's bottom line.

[tjgray]

Seems like every time I post something I get slammed and I noticed its usually by a newbie with less than 50 posts.

I don't have very many post because I spend most of my time here reading :)

I am sorry you keep getting slammed perhaps you should really give some serious thought as to why that is so.

[SodKing]

Back to Caroline Cox...I was saying that it sounded like the writings of an anti-pesticide loby and I am correct! Caroline Cox apparetnly is the anti-pesticide lobby.

"Caroline Cox. Journal of Pesticide Reform, Volume 15, Number 3, Fall 1995. Northwest Coalition for Alternatives to Pesticides, Eugene, OR."

For every 1 Caroline Cox there are 10 other scientists that say there is no cause and effect in the unscientific observations of the anti-pesticide lobby.

By the way the executive director for the Northwest coalition graduated with a B.A. in Asian Studies from the University of Oregon. This is truly a scientific lobby...

[dvmcmrhp52]

Simple question......................


Would YOU allow your 1 year old child to crawl around in a lawn that had just had an application done the day before?

Simple yes or no..........................

[Macvols]

Go to your local Ag. extension office and get your certified or Licsenced
My 12 year could past the test in TN , it is easy and if you have been around 7 yrs. you will do great.
Now to your ? Read and adhere to the directions and cross all T's and dot the I's!

Mike

[tjgray]

The truth.
Well the truth is that chemicals and kids don't mix. Period.
I'm not an enviro wacko but kids should certainly come before making a buck. One less Chem App really isn't going to hurt anyone. How many daycare centers are there in any given area?
Not enough to matter to anyone's bottom line.

Here in Dallas there are many daycare centers as well as schools, parks, and play areas. While I respect and understand the other post about little Jimmy getting a rash I also know in this business that is a risk all over *my husband had a lady call and complain that the chemicals he was applying to a property down the road was causing her an allergic reaction*

Despite the risk I ABSOLUTELY DO NOT agree that chemicals and kids don't mix. Little Jimmy doesn't really care if his playground has weeds but he darn sure deserves to have a playground free of ants, ticks, fleas, etc.

Applied properly by a licensed professional chemical applications in my opinion have far greater benefits than risk.

I was merely suggesting to poorman that since he has goals to get his license he may not want to ruin future services :)

[dvmcmrhp52]

Here in Dallas there are many daycare centers as well as schools, parks, and play areas. While I respect and understand the other post about little Jimmy getting a rash I also know in this business that is a risk all over *my husband had a lady call and complain that the chemicals he was applying to a property down the road was causing her an allergic reaction*

Despite the risk I ABSOLUTELY DO NOT agree that chemicals and kids don't mix. Little Jimmy doesn't really care if his playground has weeds but he darn sure deserves to have a playground free of ants, ticks, fleas, etc.

Applied properly by a licensed professional chemical applications in my opinion have far greater benefits than risk.

I was merely suggesting to poorman that since he has goals to get his license he may not want to ruin future services :)





That's fine.............


Once again let me say I am NOT an enviro wacko...........


But please answer the above question.........Would you allow your 1 year old child to crawl around on a lawn that had an app done the day before?

[tjgray]

"when the product is applied according to the labeled directions by a licensed professional and the aftercare instructions are followed in accordance with the label, then the product would not pose any adverse health affects."

Did you miss the above in my post? Of course I wouldn't ever suggest to a customer that it is ok to let their child crawl around on a recently treated turf. Educating your customers on proper re-entry points is crucial.

[Randy Scott]

But please answer the above question.........Would you allow your 1 year old child to crawl around on a lawn that had an app done the day before?

Shur, wut kood possiblee goe rong whith a simpel kemical apperation to terfgras? Cidds r a lot tuffr nowa daze then wen we wur yung. Thay basiclee have an immunitey of stough like this. Kemicals dont kil, peeple do. mi dadd always uzed a lot of weednfeed wen i wuz growing up. No trubles hear.























Personally, we stay away from playgrounds and people that ask a lot of questions about the chemicals. Just too risky in todays world. There's enough work to choose besides this area. When people start really asking questions, I just tell them nicely that I would not feel comfortable doing any chemical work for them. Thanks for the call, but I don't think it fits our criteria, end of story.

[dvmcmrhp52]

"when the product is applied according to the labeled directions by a licensed professional and the aftercare instructions are followed in accordance with the label, then the product would not pose any adverse health affects."

Did you miss the above in my post? Of course I wouldn't ever suggest to a customer that it is ok to let their child crawl around on a recently treated turf. Educating your customers on proper re-entry points is crucial.




I have no problem with your response, problem is it WILL sooner or later fall on deaf ears.

Sooner or later someone's child will be crawling around on a recently treated lawn.
That's my only point here.

[SodKing]

Simple question......................


Would YOU allow your 1 year old child to crawl around in a lawn that had just had an application done the day before?

Simple yes or no..........................

Yes, as long as I was sure the label was followed. I let my children play in the yard the day after an application.

OOps that was more than a word.

[dvmcmrhp52]

If your kids are playing in the yard the day after then I suggest you read the label.

[SodKing]

I follow the proper re-entry period as described in the label. Hold on I am going to quote from the label...

[tjgray]

I have no problem with your response, problem is it WILL sooner or later fall on deaf ears.

Sooner or later someone's child will be crawling around on a recently treated lawn.
That's my only point here.

Indeed that is the scary part of this business. There are alot of risk. My husband has worked as a chemical applicator for other companies for 15 years before even venturing into business for ourselves and you don't even want to know how often I am on him to re-assure me that we are constantly practicing IPM.....*he just laughs and reminds me that he knows his job but I remind him that becoming complecent is a great danger*

Thats why it is even more frightening to read of so many in-experienced out there who think they can just learn chemical application over night.....it makes me crazy sometimes :dizzy:

[SodKing]

For Three Way Weed control the Re-entry interval is as folllows:

Do not allow people (other than applicator) or pets on treatment area during application.
Do not enter treated areas until sprays have dried.

Thats about 10 to 30 minutes after the application.

Bifenthrin: No re-entry period stipulated therefore After the dusts have settled

Pendimethelin: same

Merit: non agricultural use: same

So No I would not be opposed to treating a school, or playing fields, as a matter of fact I have done Schools and playing fields and I am bidding on several more this spring...

If your kids are playing in the yard the day after then I suggest you read the label.

No I would suggest you start to read some labels, I have read thousands.

[woodycrest]

Simple question......................


Would YOU allow your 1 year old child to crawl around in a lawn that had just had an application done the day before?

Simple yes or no..........................

NO.
you make an excellent point!

I have been maintaining a daycare for a few years, any mention of weed control is met with an immediate reply from the daycare supervisor...''i would have parents flipping out at even the thought of pesticide use!''

as dvmcmrhp52 said...'' How many daycare centers are there in any given area?
Not enough to matter to anyone's bottom line.''

another excellent point!

So are there any alternatives to chemical weed control in a daycare setting?

[woodycrest]

So we have covered the 'weed' aspect..what about the 'feed' part.

do synthetic fertilizers pose a similar risk?

keeping in mind we are talking a a daycare situation.

i realize i risk being labelled as a left wing ,neo-nazi, tree hugging, environmental whacko, but does it not make sense that an 'organic' approach might make sense in a daycare setting?

[dvmcmrhp52]

For Three Way Weed control the Re-entry interval is as folllows:

Do not allow people (other than applicator) or pets on treatment area during application.
Do not enter treated areas until sprays have dried.

Thats about 10 to 30 minutes after the application.

Bifenthrin: No re-entry period stipulated therefore After the dusts have settled

Pendimethelin: same

Merit: non agricultural use: same

So No I would not be opposed to treating a school, or playing fields, as a matter of fact I have done Schools and playing fields and I am bidding on several more this spring...

If your kids are playing in the yard the day after then I suggest you read the label.

No I would suggest you start to read some labels, I have read thousands.



So according to your post there is no time period to wait after doing an application?
Wait a few minutes and send in the kids........Right?


How rediculous.

[dvmcmrhp52]

So we have covered the 'weed' aspect..what about the 'feed' part.

do synthetic fertilizers pose a similar risk?

keeping in mind we are talking a a daycare situation.

i realize i risk being labelled as a left wing ,neo-nazi, tree hugging, environmental whacko, but does it not make sense that an 'organic' approach might make sense in a daycare setting?




Woodycrest,
I knew from the start where you were going with this............................. :cool:


BUT, A daycare may very well be the perfect setting for organics, although some "organics" are questionable as well.
Chemicals are here to stay, but occasionally we need to ask ourselves to what extent are they necessary?
A daycare is a good place to ask that question.

[SodKing]

I didn't say there was no time linit I said wait the stipulated time period for the re-entry period. For Three way that would be after the spray has dried, for merit which is attached to a granular piece of cob or fertilizer so after the "dust" has settled then yes send Jimmy in the yard.

Have you ever read and understood a label or do you read between your own lines and guess at fools science?

[woodycrest]

yeah..i know, the term 'organic' is questionable...

hope i'm not opening a can of worms here, but i couldnt resist at least posing the question. :D

take it one step further...every parent at the 'daycare' is a potential customer.

[SodKing]

..............................

[dvmcmrhp52]

I didn't say there was no time linit I said wait the stipulated time period for the re-entry period. For Three way that would be after the spray has dried, for merit which is attached to a granular piece of cob or fertilizer so after the "dust" has settled then yes send Jimmy in the yard.

Have you ever read and understood a label or do you read between your own lines and guess at fools science?





No fools science as you suggest, just not a fool.

[QualityLawnCare4u]

Alright folks, you can put this one to rest. I already decided Im going by and talk (in person) to the owner and explain to her that I just dont think it would be a good idea to treat her lawn with the kids their and their safety is of the UTMOST concern to me! I know mine would be if my twins were thier. She was a very nice lady and would like to keep her as a client without the treatment. Thanks for the comments, good or bad. ANYTIME that a child is involved in something I do I dont give a dam how stupid the question is Im going to ask. If anyone does not like my question just skip on by it. I dont mess around with something that could harm someone if Im not 100% sure, period.

[SodKing]

and neither am I.

[QualityLawnCare4u]

When you get your license you may want to add those services so I wouldn't tell her the application is not safe. I would just tell her the truth that you are not licensed to apply but plan on changing that soon.

Sod King said it best.....when the product is applied according to the labeled directions by a licensed professional and the aftercare instructions are followed in accordance with the label, then the product would not pose any adverse health affects.

If you tell her its not safe then the industry/you loses a potential customer.

I want you to know also that my gripe has nothing to do with you personally. I just can't honestly understand how anyone could be here for so long and have so many post and not know that they can't apply chemicals without a license? Especially when one can read a few post and have that information. There is no way you will get me to believe you did a search for this information and could not find your answer.

I am glad though that you asked before you just started spraying. It's the ones that spray without proper training and educating themselves thats the real frightening reality.

Tara, I dont know how you do things in Texas but I was told by the last county agent we had that I DID NOT have to have a license to put out granular fertilizer but did for pest. and round up. I was then told a different story by another ag agent so that is why I asked the dumb question. I dont give a damn if I have 5 post or 50,000 when a child is involved and I dont know I will ask. BTW, I have never put a person on my ignore list but you are fixing to be the first.

[KLR]

personally i would have no problem servicing that property, matter o fact we service several daycare centers and schools as well.
also i have 3 kids of my own, oldest is 21 and I have been serviceing my own lawn for the last 23 years.

but thats me

[teeca]

couple of things you can consider (with license)
1. you could try spraying on a friday (assuming that there closed weekends)
2. same as #1 but use speedzone herbicide, little or no residule
3. (this should be #1) sell aeration/overseed to get a thick lawn, and you wount need #1 or #2

and as someone stated (quite possibly the most important) NEVER TELL ANYBODY THAT A PRODUCT IS SAFE!!!! there are no safe products! (except maybe an organic or two, but even then i would eliminate that word from my vocabulary)

[tjgray]

Tara, I dont know how you do things in Texas but I was told by the last county agent we had that I DID NOT have to have a license to put out granular fertilizer but did for pest. and round up. I was then told a different story by another ag agent so that is why I asked the dumb question. I dont give a damn if I have 5 post or 50,000 when a child is involved and I dont know I will ask. BTW, I have never put a person on my ignore list but you are fixing to be the first.

Poorman, you missed my point entirely which was why would you take the advice you receive from anyone on a public forum without researching the information for yourself *especially when children are involved*, and how could you not know that you need to be licensed to apply chemicals?

I was serious when I said it was a potental danger to take such advice at face value. I am not saying that you can't get some good advice here but I am saying do your research for yourself....if you had you would have learned that weed and feed is NOT just granular fertilizer and that you can't apply it without a license.

If your gonna put your ignorance out there then don't get all upset when someone calls you on it :)

Like I wrote earlier I am glad that you actually asked before you went out applying chemicals with no knowledge but your question shows that you have much to learn before you will be ready.

Now to turn the situation around....are you ready to teach me how to mow? Do you have the time? Does questions such as what is a spring clean-up not frustrate you, insult your intelligence? Just wondering.....

And last with all the slamming you yourself wrote about receiving your going to tell me that I am the first person you have considered ignoring? Gee should I feel bad.....or is that a compliment :)

[tjgray]

PS Lawn Service said it best once you are fully trained, licensed and insured, only then will you understand why Turf Smart 'snapped' at you.

[QualityLawnCare4u]

Poorman, you missed my point entirely which was why would you take the advice you receive from anyone on a public forum without researching the information for yourself *especially when children are involved*, and how could you not know that you need to be licensed to apply chemicals?

I was serious when I said it was a potental danger to take such advice at face value. I am not saying that you can't get some good advice here but I am saying do your research for yourself....if you had you would have learned that weed and feed is NOT just granular fertilizer and that you can't apply it without a license.

If your gonna put your ignorance out there then don't get all upset when someone calls you on it :)

Like I wrote earlier I am glad that you actually asked before you went out applying chemicals with no knowledge but your question shows that you have much to learn before you will be ready.

Now to turn the situation around....are you ready to teach me how to mow? Do you have the time? Does questions such as what is a spring clean-up not frustrate you, insult your intelligence? Just wondering.....

And last with all the slamming you yourself wrote about receiving your going to tell me that I am the first person you have considered ignoring? Gee should I feel bad.....or is that a compliment :)

Well Tara, Im sorry that Im not as intellegent as you are. BTW, no it does not bother me if someone ask me a 1000 times about spring cleanup or how to mow. Im very happy to share that knowledge with anyone. I dont think that there are any dumb questions, everyone has to start somewhere and Im sorry that some folks think that everyone else is so below them that they think there question is not worth asking. Now, Im thru with you, go to bed!

[tjgray]

And I am off to bed but before I go I do want you to know that I never said that I thought you weren't intelligent....I just think it is better to do the research yourself so that you can be sure. At the very least if your not going to take the time to research a little before throwing a question out there then don't be offended by the response you get *remember it was you that got upset and offended with Turf Smarts response :)*

I actually think the topic is a good one and would be interested to read others opinions on how to make applying chemicals to such properties as daycares and schools safer but shall save that one for tomorrow :)

Have a good night all.

[QualityLawnCare4u]

BTW Tara, as I had posted not one person up till this year has ever asked me a chemical question. I am good at what Im good at but the fertilizer and herbicide part I am stupid, dumb, clueless, lost,ignorant or any other word you want to use. However, that is fixing to change. I promise, I want ask any more ignorant questions, NOT! LOL Im sure I will come up with some more that folks who know a whole lot more than me well correct me or tell me how dumb I am. :rolleyes:

[tjgray]

Just as long as you don't get offended, upset and want to put em on your ignore list when they do :D

Honestly I apologize if I caused you any grief today.....it wasn't my intent. I am just blunt and outspoken that way :)

Now let a girl get the last word in and lets get some sleep :sleeping:

[QualityLawnCare4u]

Just as long as you don't get offended, upset and want to put em on your ignore list when they do :D

Honestly I apologize if I caused you any grief today.....it wasn't my intent. I am just blunt and outspoken that way :)

Now let a girl get the last word in and lets get some sleep :sleeping:

Hey Tara, me and you would get along great then. Im famous for being blunt and outspoken and my mouth has gotten me in trouble more times than I like to remember. Have a good nights sleep. I still gotta work on a weedeater and hedge clipper and its only 12:20 AM. No Im not offended, and like I said, I will ask more dumb questions before my life is over, just really wanted to get ecucated on the applicator info because it is my weak point.

[Garth]

Garth, This sounds more like the writings of an anti-pesticide lobby. The Cause and effect were not performed in a controlled environment with the proper checks and balances to insure a non-biased result. These are the same unfounded rants and raves that we have been enduring for a while. To say that a ground nesting bird species population decreased due to expanding grassy areas is caused by weed control is un-corroborated. It could have been that the number of animals that feed on birds, coyotes etc..., increased but they failed to notice it due to the unscientific nature of their observations.
Oh yeah, that reminds me I have to go spray DDT on my pet osprey and the entire eagle and condor population of North America ;) All I know is that several large state universities are currently testing 2,4D at the request of the EPA concerning lymphoma and other health anomalies associated with it's use. One is mine, UC Davis. I believe in better living through chemicals but I'm not some git who thinks that polluting the planet and watching my kids and grandkids die slowly because of poisoned water or air is a justifyable expense for making money now. I went to school, I got my license, I studied till my eyes bled and if there is any way of doing business without the use of toxic substances I'll gladly do it. But please don't feed me that corporate republican attitude about the damn tree-huggers and environmentalist liberal scum because I think they are right. Wal-Mart sucks and George Bush is the Anti-Christ and no crew-cut wearing grass- chewing knuckle-dragging "good ol' boy" is going to convince me otherwise. The only stupid question is one not asked and if no-one asks, no-one learns.

[turfmann]

Wow.

And liberals wonder why conservatives feel under attack. After reading that rant I would be personally insulted if it were aimed at me.

I have never met a more gracious, hospitable people then those in the south. They do not in any way resemble the knuckle dragging stereotype that you depict.

How truly unfortunate that this tread, that started as a legitimate question, has digressed into an ugly name calling exchange.

I am puzzled by Garth's standpoint. He believes that pesticides may be harmful to the environment but he applies them anyway. He believes that 2,4-D might be linked to lymphoma but believes in better living through chemicals. He believes that he is not some git who thinks that polluting the planet and watching his kids and grandkids die slowly because of poisoned water or air is a justifiable expense for making money now, but pays the rent doing exactly that? Shouldn't Garth practice what he preaches?

I think that this forum is a great place to debate issues such as pesticide use. However, there is no place in debating for name calling or insults. When someone starts firing at me personally I immediately say "I won!" because the opponent has either run out of facts, lost on the facts or doesn't believe in their heart what they're saying.

I feel like I should apologize to you, Hardworking Poorman. There was no need for the venom spewed at you. Ignore those who insult you, they don't know you or anything about you.

[QualityLawnCare4u]

Wow.

And liberals wonder why conservatives feel under attack. After reading that rant I would be personally insulted if it were aimed at me.

I have never met a more gracious, hospitable people then those in the south. They do not in any way resemble the knuckle dragging stereotype that you depict.

How truly unfortunate that this tread, that started as a legitimate question, has digressed into an ugly name calling exchange.

I am puzzled by Garth's standpoint. He believes that pesticides may be harmful to the environment but he applies them anyway. He believes that 2,4-D might be linked to lymphoma but believes in better living through chemicals. He believes that he is not some git who thinks that polluting the planet and watching his kids and grandkids die slowly because of poisoned water or air is a justifiable expense for making money now, but pays the rent doing exactly that? Shouldn't Garth practice what he preaches?

I think that this forum is a great place to debate issues such as pesticide use. However, there is no place in debating for name calling or insults. When someone starts firing at me personally I immediately say "I won!" because the opponent has either run out of facts, lost on the facts or doesn't believe in their heart what they're saying.

I feel like I should apologize to you, Hardworking Poorman. There was no need for the venom spewed at you. Ignore those who insult you, they don't know you or anything about you.

Its ok turfman,but thanks anyway. I still thought it was a good question because of my concern for kids (or anyone for that matter). This is a discussion forum and you will get blasted sometimes whether you ask for it or not.

[Garth]

All I'm stating is that to attack someone for asking a question, any question is wrong. I apply pesticides as part of my business which is training developmentally-disabled adults how to make a living by landscape maintenance. I research every avenue available to me before going the chemical route i.e. beneficial insects, traps, etc. I've studied the affects of pesticide use in PMZ's and have charts showing the 200+ poisoned wells here in Southern California. I am not a Democrat or Republican nor do I care for either liberal or conservatives. What I believe in is responsible pesticide use which apparently does exist with a few professionals and doesn't with alot of LCO's. As far as the South is concerned I've met alot of wonderful people there, but try going through Texas with a Scottish accent and tell me that "cowboys" are hospitable. I gave someone information on a pesticide that was immediately attacked as anti-pesticide dribble by someone who doesn't care one jot about anything that concerns safety with chemical use and yes it was a rant but one intelligently and passionately conceived. This was not an attack on HardWorking Poorman, as I applaud anyone who asks first then decides a course of action. It shows intelligence. Especially where children are involved.

[tjgray]

As far as the South is concerned I've met alot of wonderful people there, but try going through Texas with a Scottish accent and tell me that "cowboys" are hospitable.

Whoa there don't mess with Texas...dem der is fightin words :angry:

Good thing I suppose I am a cajun and not a cowboy :D

I think me and poorman got an understanding going on....he can ask all the stupid questions he wants as long as he gets that shipment of aspirin out to me ASAP :D

Too pretty a day to fight so does anyone have any knowledge on a good program to use when treating properties where children play?

Here in Texas without the snow and with very mild winters we get alot of insects and pest. Like I said earlier Lil Jimmy doesn't care if he has weeds in his playground but getting eat up by fire ants, ticks, fleas etc. is a concern.

Right now Top Choice has a big marketing campaign going on to where schools get one bag free for every bag they purchase. We have had good results when using Top Choice but I am curious as to what others experiences have been?

[Victor]

Don't get me wrong Buddy. I still have a lot to learn about this field. From what I've gathered so far though, I think one of the reasons behind why some people get testy in this forum, has to do with human nature. I don't think that most of them mean to insult you, but rather get frustrated at the number of people (unlike you) that come on here and ask questions after the fact. It's great that you asked your question before you made an illegal app. There are posts on here all the time, where someone has already done an illegal app and after the fact, wants to know if what they did was legal, or not.

From what I've seen in this pesticide forum, there are more fundamental-type questions asked, than any other forum. When I say "fundamental-type questions," I'm talking about the questions licensed applicators like us learn at the very beginning of our pesticide applicator education processes. The reason why so many people come on here and ask the questions like the one you did, has a lot to do with the nature of applying fertilizer and herbicides. Compared to mowing, there are so many more things you need to know if you want to get into this side of the industry. When you're dealing with a field like this, where anyone who's just starting out is going to have so many questions (even after being in it for a while, there's still not a shortage of things to learn either), sometimes it's hard to know what to ask. I don't think anyone should feel embarrassed for coming on here and asking an extremely basic question. We all had to learn this stuff at some point. It's better to ask the question and find out what the answer is, than to plod along blindly.

With that being said, It wouldn't hurt for anyone with a question to do a search first. A lot of these questions we see pop up here time and again, are asked all the time. If a search doesn't answer the question, that would be a good time to post the question. I commend people for coming on here and trying to educate themselves. I know I've sure learned alot on this forum. Because of this forum, I know I have a lot of people I can call on for advice and answers to my questions.

In closing... From all the posts I've seen you put on this site, you seem like a great guy. Keep your head up. I don't think anyone intended to offend you. If you have a question, well.... that's what this site is for. :)

Vic

[SodKing]

All I'm stating is that to attack someone for asking a question, any question is wrong. I apply pesticides as part of my business which is training developmentally-disabled adults how to make a living by landscape maintenance. I research every avenue available to me before going the chemical route i.e. beneficial insects, traps, etc. I've studied the affects of pesticide use in PMZ's and have charts showing the 200+ poisoned wells here in Southern California. I am not a Democrat or Republican nor do I care for either liberal or conservatives. What I believe in is responsible pesticide use which apparently does exist with a few professionals and doesn't with alot of LCO's. As far as the South is concerned I've met alot of wonderful people there, but try going through Texas with a Scottish accent and tell me that "cowboys" are hospitable. I gave someone information on a pesticide that was immediately attacked as anti-pesticide dribble by someone who doesn't care one jot about anything that concerns safety with chemical use and yes it was a rant but one intelligently and passionately conceived. This was not an attack on HardWorking Poorman, as I applaud anyone who asks first then decides a course of action. It shows intelligence. Especially where children are involved.

I will have to take offense with your assesment that I do not care one "jot" about pesticide safety. I also research which pesticides I use, and use them in accordance with the label. I advocate licensing for all people using pesticides. I try to teach my associates/ employees/ and others about the responsible use of pesticides. So your assesment is wrong. I can never get why you anti-pesticide people always consider yourself so high and mighty. You qoute a few unscientific studies and say "see I told you so..."

[jajwrigh]

Simple question......................


Would YOU allow your 1 year old child to crawl around in a lawn that had just had an application done the day before?

Simple yes or no..........................

LOL! :rolleyes:

[dvmcmrhp52]

LOL! :rolleyes:







The question was answered "yes" by someone........................
In fact he went further to say he would allow it within the hour....................

[QualityLawnCare4u]

Whoa there don't mess with Texas...dem der is fightin words :angry:

Good thing I suppose I am a cajun and not a cowboy :D

I think me and poorman got an understanding going on....he can ask all the stupid questions he wants as long as he gets that shipment of aspirin out to me ASAP :D

Too pretty a day to fight so does anyone have any knowledge on a good program to use when treating properties where children play?

Here in Texas without the snow and with very mild winters we get alot of insects and pest. Like I said earlier Lil Jimmy doesn't care if he has weeds in his playground but getting eat up by fire ants, ticks, fleas etc. is a concern.

Right now Top Choice has a big marketing campaign going on to where schools get one bag free for every bag they purchase. We have had good results when using Top Choice but I am curious as to what others experiences have been?

Tara, would you like me to send you some rain! Im watching it pour right now and I only got one of 5 jobs done today.

[QualityLawnCare4u]

All I'm stating is that to attack someone for asking a question, any question is wrong. I apply pesticides as part of my business which is training developmentally-disabled adults how to make a living by landscape maintenance. I research every avenue available to me before going the chemical route i.e. beneficial insects, traps, etc. I've studied the affects of pesticide use in PMZ's and have charts showing the 200+ poisoned wells here in Southern California. I am not a Democrat or Republican nor do I care for either liberal or conservatives. What I believe in is responsible pesticide use which apparently does exist with a few professionals and doesn't with alot of LCO's. As far as the South is concerned I've met alot of wonderful people there, but try going through Texas with a Scottish accent and tell me that "cowboys" are hospitable. I gave someone information on a pesticide that was immediately attacked as anti-pesticide dribble by someone who doesn't care one jot about anything that concerns safety with chemical use and yes it was a rant but one intelligently and passionately conceived. This was not an attack on HardWorking Poorman, as I applaud anyone who asks first then decides a course of action. It shows intelligence. Especially where children are involved.
Thanks Garth, I do have a LOT to learn in this dept.

[QualityLawnCare4u]

Don't get me wrong Buddy. I still have a lot to learn about this field. From what I've gathered so far though, I think one of the reasons behind why some people get testy in this forum, has to do with human nature. I don't think that most of them mean to insult you, but rather get frustrated at the number of people (unlike you) that come on here and ask questions after the fact. It's great that you asked your question before you made an illegal app. There are posts on here all the time, where someone has already done an illegal app and after the fact, wants to know if what they did was legal, or not.

From what I've seen in this pesticide forum, there are more fundamental-type questions asked, than any other forum. When I say "fundamental-type questions," I'm talking about the questions licensed applicators like us learn at the very beginning of our pesticide applicator education processes. The reason why so many people come on here and ask the questions like the one you did, has a lot to do with the nature of applying fertilizer and herbicides. Compared to mowing, there are so many more things you need to know if you want to get into this side of the industry. When you're dealing with a field like this, where anyone who's just starting out is going to have so many questions (even after being in it for a while, there's still not a shortage of things to learn either), sometimes it's hard to know what to ask. I don't think anyone should feel embarrassed for coming on here and asking an extremely basic question. We all had to learn this stuff at some point. It's better to ask the question and find out what the answer is, than to plod along blindly.

With that being said, It wouldn't hurt for anyone with a question to do a search first. A lot of these questions we see pop up here time and again, are asked all the time. If a search doesn't answer the question, that would be a good time to post the question. I commend people for coming on here and trying to educate themselves. I know I've sure learned alot on this forum. Because of this forum, I know I have a lot of people I can call on for advice and answers to my questions.

In closing... From all the posts I've seen you put on this site, you seem like a great guy. Keep your head up. I don't think anyone intended to offend you. If you have a question, well.... that's what this site is for. :)

Vic

Hey Victor, thanks

[woodycrest]

So, what is a 'safe' program for sensitive areas such as daycare centers?

[2 man crew]

The question was answered "yes" by someone........................
In fact he went further to say he would allow it within the hour....................

The label says when dry. So what's your point. It seems your taking precautions beyond what's stated in the label.

[dvmcmrhp52]

The label says when dry. So what's your point. It seems your taking precautions beyond what's stated in the label.





Well then, answer the question yourself, would you allow your 1 year old child to crawl around on a lawn that had an app done in the last 24 hours, OR as has been stated....................in the last HOUR.

[GroundKprs]

Yes, if I had made the application.

No, if you did it. Because you are obviously not versed enough in pesticide apps to expect me to trust your work.

[dvmcmrhp52]

Yes, if I had made the application.

No, if you did it. Because you are obviously not versed enough in pesticide apps to expect me to trust your work.





It has to do with plain common sense.
I don't believe a single one of you would allow your one year old child on such a lawn. It just isn't credible, and I KNOW none of your wives would allow it..................


How amusing it is to see people so overprotective about what they do to make money.

Then you all wonder why people don't trust chemicals or applicators............it is ludicrous statements such as these that create the apathy towards what you do.


Wow.

[2 man crew]

For Three Way Weed control the Re-entry interval is as folllows:

Do not allow people (other than applicator) or pets on treatment area during application.
Do not enter treated areas until sprays have dried.

Thats about 10 to 30 minutes after the application.

.

This is the Quote. If the application is dry and was accordant with the label and the application has dried within one hour then Yes.

Are you applying something different then the rest of us?

[dvmcmrhp52]

This is the Quote. If the application is dry and was accordant with the label and the application has dried within one hour then Yes.

Are you applying something different then the rest of us?




Apparently the message isn't getting through.
This thread is about a daycare center and applying pesticides.
Do you all seriously believe that it is a good idea to have a child crawl around on a lawn that has just had an app done an hour ago?

In case you hadn't noticed chemical companies are not in the business of telling people that their products are unsafe.


This is pretty scary stuff listening to the justifications.............

[tjgray]

Thanks 2 man crew :)

I was wondering how we kept missing the "Yes as long as proper re-entry interval per the lable was followed."

Now I will add that we usually advise our customers to make sure they water in the fert before they let their kiddo crawl around in the yard sooo no I really wouldn't want a child playing in a treated area within the hour but I beleive the original question was after a day.

Poorman I hope you used your rain day productively educating yourself with chemical application materials :)

I never look at a rain day as a waste. Crazy thing is here the Dallas-Fortworth-Metroplex is soooo huge that if it is raining in one city nine times out of ten you can drive a few cities over and still work :)

[2 man crew]

Apperntly the message isn't getting through to you. You are leaving out some key words in all your post DRY and LABEL

[dvmcmrhp52]

[QUOTE=tjgray]Thanks 2 man crew :)



Now I will add that we usually advise our customers to make sure they water in the fert before they let their kiddo crawl around in the yard sooo no I really wouldn't want a child playing in a treated area within the hour but I beleive the original question was after a day.

QUOTE]




Ahhhhh, a voice of sanity..............
Yes the original question was after a day,it then progressed to an hour............

[SodKing]

I think you are listening but not hearing...

Lets look at an application of 19-3-6w/Talstar, The label Does not stipulate a re-entry interval there for our training would recommend a staying off until the dust settles. Its a granular product therefor you can enter the area with no adverse health affects within minutes of the termination of the application.

I personally advise that the application be watered in and dried before re-entry but the label makes no stipulation, therefore go with the labeled recommendations in this case.

Can my 1 year old go on this lawn immediately after treatment and would I let her?...yes. The product was applied in accordance with the label and therefore poses no adverse health affects. I am confident in my position as my training and level of education has allowed me to read, and understand on a scientific level what that chemical is doing in the environment.

Do you let your child eat peanut butter? Many children are deathly allergic to peanuts. I have seen the studies and the results therefore peanut butter should be removed from the market. I am willing to bet that more children are adversely affected by peanuts than pesticides. You better check...

[Garth]

I will have to take offense with your assesment that I do not care one "jot" about pesticide safety. I also research which pesticides I use, and use them in accordance with the label. I advocate licensing for all people using pesticides. I try to teach my associates/ employees/ and others about the responsible use of pesticides. So your assesment is wrong. I can never get why you anti-pesticide people always consider yourself so high and mighty. You qoute a few unscientific studies and say "see I told you so..."
It's spelled "assessment", and I'm not anti-pesticide, I simply advocate responsible pesticide use and not the " if it moves, spray it" frame of mind. You have prove you are the " Sod-King" in every BRITISH sense of the word.

[dvmcmrhp52]

I am willing to bet that more children are adversely affected by peanuts than pesticides. You better check...




Scary.
I'm listening AND hearing, problem is that what I'm hearing is rather disturbing.
I'll leave this alone now.

[SodKing]

Is this a spelling test? If it is then check your grammar in your second sentence. I too advocate responsible use of pesticide, I too use every means other than pesticides to achieve my goals, I simply don't embrace Silent Spring as the Bible.

Not sure what you mean by you derogatory statement at the end, must be more of that Witty English humor.

[SodKing]

Scary.
I'm listening AND hearing, problem is that what I'm hearing is rather disturbing.
I'll leave this alone now.

No please look into it and I bet you would find that more children are sickened each year due to peanut poisioning that pesticide poisioning.

[dvmcmrhp52]

[QUOTE=SodKing]I too advocate responsible use of pesticide, I too use every means other than pesticides to achieve my goals, I simply don't embrace Silent Spring as the Bible.

QUOTE]



I guess this gets closer to my thinking.

Poorman, sorry for hijacking your thread................ :cool:

[tjgray]

See what you started poorman :laugh:

[Garth]

Not sure what you mean by you derogatory statement at the end, must be more of that Witty English humor.
Don't you mean " by YOUR derogatory..."? Masterfully countered by the infamous SodKing wit. Or actually half of it. By the way, you spelled humour wrong also.

[2 man crew]

Not sure what you mean by you derogatory statement at the end, must be more of that Witty English humor.
Don't you mean " by YOUR derogatory..."? Masterfully countered by the infamous SodKing wit. Or actually half of it. By the way, you spelled humour wrong also.

O.K. Garth thats enough Löwenbräu for you this evening.

[Garth]

I can't tell you how much I've enjoyed rattling your cage Soddy ol' boy. Being a Scot, we just LOVE a good fight. But that put aside, it's time to be professional, stop laughing, and start helping some of these poor souls learn something useful. I could do this all night, but I don't want the web-site to suffer. We obviously have very different points of view on responsible pesticide use. That is not to say that either of us are right or wrong. That stated, I'm bring my participation in this thread to a close.





Postscript: You're wrong. I lift my kilt at your Auntie....(_Y_)

[Garth]

Yes Sir, Sorry Sir

[QualityLawnCare4u]

See what you started poorman :laugh:

Yeah Tara, I see that! The replies made me stop and rethink a lot of things about applications and license.

[Runner]

I don't know if this helps or not, but here in Michigan, it is illegal for a licensed pesticide applicator (or UNlicensed lol) to apply at a licensed daycare facility. Even if it WAS lecal, this is something I would easily stay well away from. The liability would just be tremendous. It sure wouldn't be worth a 50 dollar application. I could go out there repeatedly and pluck all the weeds out by hand and save money for what it would cost in liability.

[tjgray]

I don't know if this helps or not, but here in Michigan, it is illegal for a licensed pesticide applicator (or UNlicensed lol) to apply at a licensed daycare facility. Even if it WAS lecal, this is something I would easily stay well away from. The liability would just be tremendous. It sure wouldn't be worth a 50 dollar application. I could go out there repeatedly and pluck all the weeds out by hand and save money for what it would cost in liability.

Illegal hu? Interesting .....wonder how many other states it is illegal in? And what do the folks up in Michigan do about the critters on the playground?

[GroundKprs]

Ohhhh, tara, you do not understand conservatism until you have lived in the Midwest. I don't mean political conservatism, but life in general. Indiana never had an under 21 drinking law, and very few open classroom style schools. Both of these great ideas turned out to be disasters, but slow moving IN did not bite into them much before all the warts started to show in the advanced states. I also remember seeing touch tone telephones 10 years before I saw the first one in IN.

We look for simple answers. If something might be a problem, it is easy to avoid it. We are not in line with MI yet, but I would expect similar laws might first be found in Midwestern states. It's funny, most people would think the law Runner noted was a liberal idea. But it comes from conservative values.

And if you want to escape from the bugs, move up north to the good ole rust belt, LOL.

[Garden Panzer]

it's a good thing if all pesticide use was outlawed around schools, parks, rights of way, and home use....these things are bad for the planet and people....HEALTH is more important than grass!

[dvmcmrhp52]

I don't know if this helps or not, but here in Michigan, it is illegal for a licensed pesticide applicator (or UNlicensed lol) to apply at a licensed daycare facility. Even if it WAS lecal, this is something I would easily stay well away from. The liability would just be tremendous. It sure wouldn't be worth a 50 dollar application. I could go out there repeatedly and pluck all the weeds out by hand and save money for what it would cost in liability.




Another voice of sanity............

[SodKing]

Rachel...Rachel..you have two disciples here...

[teeca]

ya, michigan. born and raised, totaly thought it was and still is 'the little engine that could('nt)', give in to the tree huggers! moved to indiana for college, and it's better, but i feel it's a midwest thing, again, 'the little engine that could(n't)'. i do enjoy indiana more, but i do miss the great fishing and hunting, deer the size of moose, or is it a moose? damm that thing is big!

[tjgray]

Thanks for the lesson Jim. I really enjoyed it :)

Been coast to coast but never farther then TN once north *too darn much snow up there ya know :p *

Panzer you speak of health but have a tank for an avatar and very angry smileys......do I detect some sarcasm in there :D

Rachel? Who's Rachel :confused:

[woodycrest]

i detected sarcasm there too... :waving:

i will ask this one more time.. :dizzy: ...
Is there a 'safe' program for sensitive areas?

[bobbygedd]

just put the crap down, what's the big deal. the dep says no walking on grass for 24 hrs. you put it down sat morning, if it don't rain by sunday evening, water it in. if u get caught, deny, deny, deny. that second hand smoke while riding in thier dads car, or that happy meal for lunch, was probably more harmful to them than a little trimec.

[teeca]

just put the crap down, what's the big deal. the dep says no walking on grass for 24 hrs. you put it down sat morning, if it don't rain by sunday evening, water it in. if u get caught, deny, deny, deny. that second hand smoke while riding in thier dads car, or that happy meal for lunch, was probably more harmful to them than a little trimec.

and the truth shall set you free.... :angel:

[QualityLawnCare4u]

Thanks for the lesson Jim. I really enjoyed it :)

Been coast to coast but never farther then TN once north *too darn much snow up there ya know :p *

Panzer you speak of health but have a tank for an avatar and very angry smileys......do I detect some sarcasm in there :D

Rachel? Who's Rachel :confused:

I see this post has not died yet. lets shoot it! I was fixing to post another real dumb question about dethatching and aerating but I think I will wait a few days first. Dont want to make myself look to ignorant! :D :D Not in the same week anyway. :rolleyes:

[dvmcmrhp52]

[QUOTE=bobbygedd] the dep says no walking on grass for 24 hrs.QUOTE]




Hmmm...............24 hours?????

[tjgray]

I see this post has not died yet. lets shoot it! I was fixing to post another real dumb question about dethatching and aerating but I think I will wait a few days first. Dont want to make myself look to ignorant! :D :D Not in the same week anyway. :rolleyes:

Yep better wait poorman.....I don't know if I could stand it :laugh:

[QualityLawnCare4u]

Yep better wait poorman.....I don't know if I could stand it :laugh:

Yep, Tara, I dont want to keep you in suspence. Told ya, I will come up with some good ones. I still say though if you dont know, ASK! Id rather look dumb and know I done the right thing than plow ahead and be sorry. :D

[Garden Panzer]

The question we need to ask ourselves is as follows:


Are the lives of women and children worth more than green lawns?

[tjgray]

are green lawns taking the lives of women and children?

I see it not so much as a green lawn but a healthy turf and I could be wrong but I learned that basic stuff like healthy plant/turf equals more oxygen. I am gonna leave it like that for you more experienced guys to fight that fight as I have much to learn before I jump off deep in that hot topic :)

In reality I am ok with a few weeds but here in Texas we have fire ants and them bad boys are nothing but a nuisance. Yes we have properties that look like golf courses *it is indeed pretty facial here in the metroplex* but our most popular service I think is pesticide.

after all that I take it back...poorman please ask your next question now I promise I won't say a word :p

[dvmcmrhp52]

Yep, Tara, I dont want to keep you in suspence. Told ya, I will come up with some good ones. I still say though if you dont know, ASK! Id rather look dumb and know I done the right thing than plow ahead and be sorry. :D






Good way to look at things..................

[tjgray]

I thought I was done for the evening and went to settle in for some bedtime reading and guess what I came across.

Virus Infects Red Imported Fire Ants

The newly found natural agent is a virus in the Dicistroviridae family, which is related to the well know picorna-like viruses. The entire genome has been sequenced, and studies suggest the virus, tentatively named Solenopsis invicta virus-1 (SINV-1), may be a biological control agent for fire ants. Scientist use natural organisms as part of a strategy to reduce fire ant numbers without using pesticides.

Interesting.....could this be one of many answers to my question :confused:

[Garth]

Huzzah! Now I can order that Ceratozamia from Florida. They won't ship it to CA because of the fire ant invasion.

[cenlo]

The truth.
Well the truth is that chemicals and kids don't mix. Period.
I'm not an enviro wacko but kids should certainly come before making a buck. One less Chem App really isn't going to hurt anyone. How many daycare centers are there in any given area?
Not enough to matter to anyone's bottom line.

Whats the difference? If you apply the chem at the daycare or apply it at the childrens home! The benifit is only to avoid legal recourse and hassles by the daycare facility because it deals with so many kids (and parents)!
If chemicals and kids don't mix............then you shouldn,t spray them anywhere!

[bobbygedd]

[QUOTE=bobbygedd] the dep says no walking on grass for 24 hrs.QUOTE]




Hmmm...............24 hours?????
yes, is that ok with you? they said they MAY be changing it to 48, but i havn't heard yet of any change

[dvmcmrhp52]

[QUOTE=dvmcmrhp52]
yes, is that ok with you? they said they MAY be changing it to 48, but i havn't heard yet of any change







Fine with me, but apparently pesticides aren't quite as benign as some would have you believe.
That's been my whole point all along.

[bobbygedd]

[QUOTE=bobbygedd]







Fine with me, but apparently pesticides aren't quite as benign as some would have you believe.
That's been my whole point all along. dv, i was at one time terrified of pesticides. i still dress like a space man when i apply, but that is because i'm aware that i'm exposed to hundreds of aplications per season, as well as loading, unloading, cleaning equipment, etc. the kids at the daycare will be exposed, at the daycare, to only one second hand exposure. i would venture to say that the happy meal thier mommy bought them was more dangerous than that one aplication. we are exposed to so much crap on a daily basis that we don't even think about. example: my wife buys cleaning solutions for the tables and countertops, she sprays the surfaces probably 2-3 times each day, to "disinfect" them. what about the overspray we are breathing? what about the chemical in that disinfectent that is now on every surface in my home, and my kid puts his sandwich on ? what about the hairspray she squirts on her hair, on a daily basis, and in fact inhales while doing so? what about bleaches and detergents that we use on a daily basis for our clothes, shampoos, soaps, and toothpastes? what about that shiny red apple that we just run a little water over before we eat it? what about the couch cusions after you've had company over, with thier smelly butts sitting all over them? i say do the daycare

[QualityLawnCare4u]

I thought I was done for the evening and went to settle in for some bedtime reading and guess what I came across.

Virus Infects Red Imported Fire Ants

The newly found natural agent is a virus in the Dicistroviridae family, which is related to the well know picorna-like viruses. The entire genome has been sequenced, and studies suggest the virus, tentatively named Solenopsis invicta virus-1 (SINV-1), may be a biological control agent for fire ants. Scientist use natural organisms as part of a strategy to reduce fire ant numbers without using pesticides.

Interesting.....could this be one of many answers to my question :confused:

Tara, your going to have to wait on the next one. Dont want to look to intellegent :D . I will say that I have been hit with a LOT of new questions this spring. For the last 7 years I have mowed, weedeated. edged, trim shrubs, planted flowers, and have a good reputation at what I do. My weak points are irrigation, pesticides. herbicides, and I have never had ONE person to ask me to dethatch or aerate. Heck, dont even know if I spelled it right!Most of my customers just want the yard to look decent and Im trying to attract a higher end cleintal. Hard to do when you live in an area that the average income is around 13,000 per year. Most dont even care about weeds as long as they are mowed.

[bobbygedd]

Tara, your going to have to wait on the next one. Dont want to look to intellegent :D . I will say that I have been hit with a LOT of new questions this spring. For the last 7 years I have mowed, weedeated. edged, trim shrubs, planted flowers, and have a good reputation at what I do. My weak points are irrigation, pesticides. herbicides, and I have never had ONE person to ask me to dethatch or aerate. Heck, dont even know if I spelled it right!Most of my customers just want the yard to look decent and Im trying to attract a higher end cleintal. Hard to do when you live in an area that the average income is around 13,000 per year. Most dont even care about weeds as long as they are mowed.
hwpm, let me ask you this: WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING THERE? you can't stay where things don't happen. you have to go somewhere, where things happen!

[dvmcmrhp52]

I'm not terrified by pesticides, I just believe that like anything else a bit of moderation should be acceptable.

I completely agree with all of the chemicals in use on a daily basis,and yes little johnny is exposed to them as well,but lawncare operators don't apply hairspray, or cleaning agents or.........


And yes, we are ALL exposed to many, many applications per year,even if chemlawn is doing the apps,we've been on many lawns that are supposedly dry and ready for reentry only to gag on the stench coming from under the mowers......

[QualityLawnCare4u]

hwpm, let me ask you this: WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING THERE? you can't stay where things don't happen. you have to go somewhere, where things happen!

Bobby, Im thinking seriously about moving to Jersey. payup Then I can make the big bucks and people dont care whether I have a nice personality or not! :D

[bobbygedd]

not true, you will come here with a nice personality, but soon after develop a hatred for everyone

[dvmcmrhp52]

not true, you will come here with a nice personality, but soon after develop a hatred for everyone



Yup, the jawsey syndrome................... :D

[tjgray]

Hard to do when you live in an area that the average income is around 13,000 per year. Most dont even care about weeds as long as they are mowed.

Darn poorman our mortgage is more than that and we do not live in a fine mansion.....most mortgages are much higher :dizzy:

When you pay that much for a property you darn sure want your lawn to be green and beautiful :)

[nitrotim]

Turfunlimited, I did NOT apply it. I was very concerned so I thought I would ask first. I did NOT have a good feeling about it so that is why I asked the "dumb" question. I will call her back tomorrow and explain to her that I do not feel safe with the application around kids for my protection,hers, and the childeren.


Man, just remember there are no "DUMB QUESTIONS" just stupid azz answers from people who don't remember when they first started out. The same people who complain about us listing our equipment are the same ones that don't want to help when a question is asked. Standard reply; you gotta have liscense to that. Well guess I add that to my sig to, that I am Liscensed and Insured in my state to do pesticides. Sheesh.

[turfmann]

Big news!

Tim Burton has purchased the film rights to this thread.

He's going to call his film "The Thread That Wouldn't Die"

Johnny Depp will play the part of Hardworking Poorman

Christopher Walken will play me, Turfmann, who will die in a hideous pesticide accident at a daycare facility.

Cameron Diaz will play my love interest (yeah, right) who will spew the liberal litany about environmentalism and the tragedy of my death.

Sean Connery will play the part of Garth because both of them are Scottish (is that right, Garth? If I'm wrong, I am really sorry) and very handsome and look good on the silver screen.

[tjgray]

I don't get a part :(

[lawnandplow42]

lets have a vote if he should put the d*mn fertalizer on the f***** day care or not.

This is crazy

[QualityLawnCare4u]

lets have a vote if he should put the d*mn fertalizer on the f***** day care or not.

This is crazy

Ive already voted!! I aint puting the @#$ fertilizer on the day care LOL :D :D Just to much could go wrong!

[QualityLawnCare4u]

Big news!

Tim Burton has purchased the film rights to this thread.

He's going to call his film "The Thread That Wouldn't Die"

Johnny Depp will play the part of Hardworking Poorman

Christopher Walken will play me, Turfmann, who will die in a hideous pesticide accident at a daycare facility.

Cameron Diaz will play my love interest (yeah, right) who will spew the liberal litany about environmentalism and the tragedy of my death.

Sean Connery will play the part of Garth because both of them are Scottish (is that right, Garth? If I'm wrong, I am really sorry) and very handsome and look good on the silver screen.

Turfman, I tried to shoot this thread about 10 pages back but it just will not die. Sorta like my pyscho renter, she just want go away! :D Its amazing what one question can turn into.

[QualityLawnCare4u]

I don't get a part :(

Tare, I cant believe Turfman forgot you! You should most definitely have a part, how about the diligent gov. employee who arrests me? :)

[turfmann]

(Oh, man...I'm in trouble again)

Sorry, Tara. What was I thinking?

How about Julia Roberts, a la Erin Brockovitch (sp?)

or Susan Sarandon, if you'd like a character in the mold of Thelma and Louise,

Can't think of an actress from Texas off the top of my head...

(Turfmann, realizing that he has dug himself a huge hole, hits his back button to go to another thread to talk about crabgrass or something,)

[SCAG POWER]

Down here in Apopka FL we an't got no money for that fancy weed n feed. We have the neighbors dog take care of that, because once there are so many piles in the yard no kid in their write mind would ever play there. :waving:

[tjgray]

Tare, I cant believe Turfman forgot you! You should most definitely have a part, how about the diligent gov. employee who arrests me? :)

ANy part that I get to have handcuffs and a gun sounds good to me :D


(Turfmann, realizing that he has dug himself a huge hole, hits his back button to go to another thread to talk about crabgrass or something,)

That's too funny Turfmann :D Thanks for the morning laugh.

Hope everybody is having a busy and productive day :D

[Garth]

Big news!

Tim Burton has purchased the film rights to this thread.

He's going to call his film "The Thread That Wouldn't Die"

Johnny Depp will play the part of Hardworking Poorman

Christopher Walken will play me, Turfmann, who will die in a hideous pesticide accident at a daycare facility.

Cameron Diaz will play my love interest (yeah, right) who will spew the liberal litany about environmentalism and the tragedy of my death.

Sean Connery will play the part of Garth because both of them are Scottish (is that right, Garth? If I'm wrong, I am really sorry) and very handsome and look good on the silver screen.
Yes, I'm a kilt-wearing, bagpipe playing, haggis eating, whisky drinking, head-butting, badger-buggering Scot. Born in Stornaway on Lewis in the Outer Hebrides. I would consider it an honour to have Mr. Connery portray me. He was the ONLY good James Bond. Mar sinn liebh an-drasda( goodbye for now)

[turfmann]

Since this is the thread that won't die - let's trade recipes now.

I make a killer spicy chicken cacciatore.

Anyone want the recipe to make it?

[SodKing]

I do, I do.....

[Garth]

Unfortunately, most Scottish cuisine was conceived on a dare,( Jimmy, I'll bet ye a pund ye canna eat this!!) Luckily, that's just more for me. Ever have a black pudding?

[QualityLawnCare4u]

Since this is the thread that won't die - let's trade recipes now.

I make a killer spicy chicken cacciatore.

Anyone want the recipe to make it?

Hey Turfman, we might can make a record here, the longest thread ever on lawnsite :D Im curious now, what was the longest thread?

[2 man crew]

Hey Turfman, we might can make a record here, the longest thread ever on lawnsite :D Im curious now, what was the longest thread?

One of the longest (and best) threads I remember is "Out the window with the one third rule". with Gary.

[dvmcmrhp52]

Hey Turfman, we might can make a record here, the longest thread ever on lawnsite :D Im curious now, what was the longest thread?





Well...........
Mowerbabe's got a thread on here with...........um...........40,000+ views and then there's the "what happened to my thread," thread,
And........................You've got a lOOOOOOOoooooonnnngg ways to go.......................... :p

[dvmcmrhp52]

I stand corrected...............


72,000 views and 730 posts............it was called No Nekked pictures................................

[dvmcmrhp52]

Michigan LCO's, started by Tiedeman............
almost 3500 posts with 49,000 views.......................



Scary eh?
:waving:

[greendave]

Big news!

Tim Burton has purchased the film rights to this thread.

He's going to call his film "The Thread That Wouldn't Die"

Johnny Depp will play the part of Hardworking Poorman

Christopher Walken will play me, Turfmann, who will die in a hideous pesticide accident at a daycare facility.

Cameron Diaz will play my love interest (yeah, right) who will spew the liberal litany about environmentalism and the tragedy of my death.

Sean Connery will play the part of Garth because both of them are Scottish (is that right, Garth? If I'm wrong, I am really sorry) and very handsome and look good on the silver screen.

Ummmmm........ you forgot Bobby! WHO'S going to play Bobby's part?????

[woodycrest]

Bobby Gedd as himself...

[greendave]

........scary thought, isn't it? VBG

[turfmann]

Well, looks like we've run out of steam at 153 posts. Not bad, that's good enough for second place all time.

We've solved the problem of applying pesticides around day care facilities, called each other nasty names, cast an upcoming movie and shared recipes.

I guess its time to go back out on the road and do some work for a change.

:waving:

[QualityLawnCare4u]

No turfman, it cant die! Was to much fun. I did decide I am not putting anything on a daycare center though.

[greendave]

Never say never! The thread LIVES!!!

[turfmann]

Well, you know how a chicken runs around for a while once you cut its head off........... :p

[Garth]

I see you've run out of wood for your fire so let's ask everyone would you spray weed and feed ON the kids at a daycare centre? Think of it as chlorine for the gene pool. Just kidding.

[turfmann]

When does a post actually die? When it stops breathing? When it has no brain activity? Maybe we should ask Congress to intervene.