ant problem

[Greenside Landscaping]

can some one give me some advice on what product to use to remove ants from a customers lawn. they have dogs so i need to get something that wont harm their dogs.

Thanks Ryan

[Turf Smart]

How about an ant eater? :D sorry.
There are many options for surface insect control but the most popular around here is Talstar. It has a good knock-down effect and a pretty long residual. The homeowner should keep the dogs off for 24-48hrs after being watered in. It also works well for mant other insects. Check product registration for your area. Almost any insect control will knock them back. There are some ant baits on the market too which they will take back to the colony and eventually kill the queen.

[Ric]

can some one give me some advice on what product to use to remove ants from a customers lawn. they have dogs so i need to get something that wont harm their dogs.

Thanks Ryan


Ryan

I have written a ton of info on ants over the years on this forum and so have others. Do a search or better yet call a licensed professional.

[qps]

Ryan

I have written a ton of info on ants over the years on this forum and so have others. Do a search or better yet call a licensed professional.

Amen brother.....Jeez..need a forum for Licensed Applicators....better yet Certified Applicators....before I get flamed you got to admit...its the same questions over....and over....and over......do a search...its gotta be here somewhere....

[Williams Services]

Humm ... a certified applicator's forum ... now ain't that a grand idea? :D

[breckslawncare]

Talsar is a good choice, as well as demand CS, even tempo will give the contact knock down. Another route (if you can locate a mound or mounds) is termador. It's primarilty used for termites but works alot different than repellants. It works much like a bait but you need to apply it to the source, rather than trying to attract to it.
You can use a deep root feeder or even mound drench with a B&G or a backpack sprayer, but keep in mind that you would be spot treating areas rather than using a broadcast application.
This method could also be combined with a broadcast of tempo, if a quick knockdown is nessicery and you want to keep the problem from coming right back.

[Bryn]

Hi Breckslawncare,

Can you tell me where you read about useing Termidor as a "mound drench with a B&G".

Thanks

[Ric]

Hi Breckslawncare,

Can you tell me where you read about useing Termidor as a "mound drench with a B&G".

Thanks


Bryn

Breckslawn Might just want to read about Termidor himself and its label. BTW Once again "The Label is the Law"

[Green Dreams]

I know an apt mgr that was spending $1100 for someone to throw out maxforce and treat perimiters with termidor. And with a one year guarantee.

[Ric]

I know an apt mgr that was spending $1100 for someone to throw out maxforce and treat perimiters with termidor. And with a one year guarantee.

Green Dreams

That sound real good. But it takes a little more inside treatment to really take care of an apartment building with a multitude of residents. That might work great on a single family home that has a women who is a nut about sanitation. It only takes one kid spilling a sugar drink to create a problem.

Inside pest control has a high margin on chemical cost to service charge. However call backs are an industry wide expense. Modern Chemistry has improved the call back ratio. Termidor is a great product. However by label can only be applied every 6 months. Ant baits are only as good as the conditions they are applied under. Rain, Dew and Irrigation can quickly kill their effectiveness. Temperature ranges also play a factor. The theory of baiting is to make the insect come to the bait. Understanding Life cycles and foraging factor of each variety of insect is important to bait placement.

I would like to think we are paid more for what we know, than for what we do.

[Williams Services]

Ric, you are correct. I talk to HO all the time that can and do buy the exact same materials that I do, but they don't have the bg knowledge to put it to its best use.

[Ric]

Ric, you are correct. I talk to HO all the time that can and do buy the exact same materials that I do, but they don't have the bg knowledge to put it to its best use.


Williams

Industry Knowledge in general the one biggest problem we face. In most States any Jerk can walk into a state extension office and basically buy a pesticide license. Oh sure they may have to go through some 4 hr to three day course before taking a 5th grade level test. Most are too Stupid or Too Lazy to even do that.

So we are left with the same old moronic questions of "IF I CAN BUY IT AT HOME DEPOT, WHY CAN"T I CHARGE TO APPLY IT?" Or I am not Licensed but what can I put down on a School playground to kill all the children?

Maybe My reputation here as "The Cantankerous Old Guy" is well deserved. But I do not hide my feeling. I see a moron, I call them a moron.

[MikeD520]

Here is the link to the Termidor SC label. It does not say anything about "mound drenching with a B & G," but maybe all should read the bottom of page 8. If nests are found, they can be treated.

http://www.cdms.net/ldat/ld3DR002.pdf

Mike D
SouthEastern Environmental
Pest Control & Environmental Services
www.SEEBUGS.com
PA Categories 06, 07, 10, 11, 12, 14, 15, 16, 22, & 23

[Ric]

Here is the link to the Termidor SC label. It does not say anything about "mound drenching with a B & G," but maybe all should read the bottom of page 8. If nests are found, they can be treated.

http://www.cdms.net/ldat/ld3DR002.pdf

Mike D
SouthEastern Environmental
Pest Control & Environmental Services
www.SEEBUGS.com
PA Categories 06, 07, 10, 11, 12, 14, 15, 16, 22, & 23


Mike

Structural pest control is just that, and not Lawn and Ornamental pest control. Label law, Termidor is not a lawn and ornamental pesticide. It is a structural out side perimeter spray and termiticide. So the question is, How far away from the perimeter can termidor be applied. Florida State law says 12 feet from the structure. Now have I shot pavement ants on the way up the driveway? Sure we all have. But that is not Label Law. I believe a realistic interpretation of the Termidor label and the bottom of page 8 means you can't use it to spot treat ant hills away from the structure or all over the property. BTW "DRENCH" wow does one really need to drench Termidor for ants????

[MikeD520]

Mike

Structural pest control is just that, and not Lawn and Ornamental pest control. Label law, Termidor is not a lawn and ornamental pesticide. It is a structural out side perimeter spray and termiticide. So the question is, How far away from the perimeter can termidor be applied. Florida State law says 12 feet from the structure. Now have I shot pavement ants on the way up the driveway? Sure we all have. But that is not Label Law. I believe a realistic interpretation of the Termidor label and the bottom of page 8 means you can't use it to spot treat ant hills away from the structure or all over the property. BTW "DRENCH" wow does one really need to drench Termidor for ants????

Ric,

First, I don't want to get into a **** slinging contest with someone that apparently like to argue moot points quite frequently. If anyone has ANY questions regarding labels they should inquire with the appropriate regulating authority.

Second, please refer back to Breckslawn post... it stated about the "drenching of mounds with a B & G or backpack sprayer"... not me. Third, re-read the Termidor label, the nests of carpenter ants, and other nuisance ants species can be directly treated. I am not sure if you know this, but carpenter ants, among some other ants, do nest in trees that may not be directly adjacent to the structure. Those nests can be treated with Termidor, according to label. I have attended conferences with presentations regarding Termidor's newly released label. Fourth, the answer to your question "How far away from the perimeter can termidor be applied." Well, you may have answered your own question...12 feet if that is Florida's interpretation of the Termidor label. Sorry, I only know Pennsylvania's interpretation, and trust me I have inquired about the new label. I do know that carton nests of termites in trees on the subject property can be treated with Termidor, as well as the carpenter ant nests, just so the trees are not fruit or nut bearing trees.

[Ric]

Ric,

First, I don't want to get into a **** slinging contest with someone that apparently like to argue moot points quite frequently. If anyone has ANY questions regarding labels they should inquire with the appropriate regulating authority.

Second, please refer back to Breckslawn post... it stated about the "drenching of mounds with a B & G or backpack sprayer"... not me. Third, re-read the Termidor label, the nests of carpenter ants, and other nuisance ants species can be directly treated. I am not sure if you know this, but carpenter ants, among some other ants, do nest in trees that may not be directly adjacent to the structure. Those nests can be treated with Termidor, according to label. I have attended conferences with presentations regarding Termidor's newly released label. Fourth, the answer to your question "How far away from the perimeter can termidor be applied." Well, you may have answered your own question...12 feet if that is Florida's interpretation of the Termidor label. Sorry, I only know Pennsylvania's interpretation, and trust me I have inquired about the new label. I do know that carton nests of termites in trees on the subject property can be treated with Termidor, as well as the carpenter ant nests, just so the trees are not fruit or nut bearing trees.

Mikey

Don't get your bowels in an up Roar. It is only a forum. The Drench thing was not directed at you. Yes people should consult the label as their first source. However interpretation of the label varies from person to person. Trust me also when I tell you here in the Bug Capital of America. Palm trees harbor more ants and termite than any hardwood could dream of. Yes we treat them with Termidor it they are threaten to the structure.

[MikeD520]

Ric,

I haven't been on this site too long (January 2005), and I do find it a great source of information for the turf/ornamental industry. I wish more of the pest control industry would utilize the NPMA's forum. I just see too much mud slinging and degrading on this site. Sure, there are a few chumps on this site that ask asinine questions and they should not be allowed to apply anything ending in -icide. We should use this site to help educate legitamate lco's and raise the bar to make it harder for the chumps to enter this industry, as well as structural pest control.

[Ric]

Ric,

I haven't been on this site too long (January 2005), and I do find it a great source of information for the turf/ornamental industry. I wish more of the pest control industry would utilize the NPMA's forum. I just see too much mud slinging and degrading on this site. Sure, there are a few chumps on this site that ask asinine questions and they should not be allowed to apply anything ending in -icide. We should use this site to help educate legitamate lco's and raise the bar to make it harder for the chumps to enter this industry, as well as structural pest control.


Mike

BEEN THERE DONE THAT, DOESN"T WORK. Do a search under my name and see some of things I tried to a few years back. Here is a start. http://www.lawnsite.com/showthread.php?t=44636&highlight=Nitrogen+cycle

Now I am just another troller who has no desire to answer stupid question will out a little 8itch slamming.

[MikeD520]

The only left to do is raise the bar for our own companies. After reading that link you posted...we seem to be at the same mentality. The few employees I have are required to know how and why each product works to achieve the desired results, whether it is pesticides, herbicides, or fertilizers. Also, most of our customers appreciate the fact that we understand and are able to explain the products, eventhough they don't comprehend. Where are you in Florida?

[Ric]

Mike

I am on the Southern Gulf Coast of Florida. I have just sold out the major portion of my company and kept just enough to keep me busy part time as a one man band. I did retain what was left of my nursery after hurricane Charley wipe it out. I am still in the Bull dozing stage trying to cut drainage. I hope to open it sometime in May and plan to do retail only on the week ends and wholesale in the early morning only.

Now at my age maybe I should just lay down and retire completely. But I am still physically healthy just maybe not so mentally healthy after a very stressful 2004 that involved Law suits with Major corporation and 4 hurricanes along with several other major events. The once workaholic is now a puttaholic. So at this point I am more interested in doing things that make me happy instead of building a business like the one I just sold to my former employees. I now call myself Semi retired.

BTW Fert & Squirt was but a very small portion of my former business, But an area I do enjoy. This actually is my second vocation and I only got in it after a divorce left me flat broke. I have only been in the Green Industry for about 8 years. However I did go back to college and get a degree in horticulture early on in those 8 years. Amazing what a little effort and Education can accomplish.