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RedWingsDet
03-25-2005, 11:51 PM
I have to give to give an estimate tommorow for a 12x12 patio. I came out with the price of $4032.24. Thats with taking the existing sod and dirt out, 4" of 21aa and 2" of slagsand, and some other stuff too. Let me know if this sounds about right, thanks guys.

LHlandscaping
03-26-2005, 12:35 AM
I charge 6.10 per square foot. With the dirt removal and easy of entry to the location, and your dump site I'd say thats a bit steep. But if you can get it good for you

RedWingsDet
03-26-2005, 01:04 AM
Ill break down the material cost.

21AA---------------------- 5.5 Yards --- $160
Slag Sand----------------- 3 Yards ----- $72
Pavers-------------------- 144sqftx$8--- $1152
Dump Fee ------------------------------- $300
Compacter Rental and Missolenous ------- $200

So thats $1884... But it'll cost me 1031.98

Then my labor which is ($80x24hours) and thats how I got $3804 + Tax. I figure it'd be about $2550.

Im doing this by myself and one other person.
What do you think? Should I lower the price to like 3000+tax just so I could get it (i rather not, but I need some landscape work)?
I know it wont take 24 hours, it'll prolly take like 15, but I rather be safe than sorry, just incase.

Thanks guys. Please help me cause Im giving this to her tommorow then monday I have to give another bid on a patio and sod job. So I would like to master this whole big money estimate stuff. I dont want to screw myself with the paver job like I did previously.

Thanks again.

kootoomootoo
03-26-2005, 01:32 AM
"Pavers-------------------- 144sqftx$8--- $1152"

What pavers are you buying at $8 per sq ft????
Plenty of guys will bid this @ $15 per sq. ft installed assuming there is easy access etc etc and kill you price wise.

144 sq ft patio for $3804 ...$26.40 per sq ft.....
There better be gold in them there pavers.

RedWingsDet
03-26-2005, 01:36 AM
"Pavers-------------------- 144sqftx$8--- $1152"

What pavers are you buying at $8 per sq ft????
Plenty of guys will bid this @ $15 per sq. ft installed assuming there is easy access etc etc and kill you price wise.

144 sq ft patio for $3804 ...$26.40 per sq ft.....
There better be gold in them there pavers.

they're not $8, they cost like 2.9 but im chargin 8 for em. My cost for everything with materials and labor for my helper comes out to be 1450... so I just have to figure out how much I want to make, and how much I want my co. to profit.

Maybe Ill bid it at $2450 and see what she says. Im kinda lost as waht to charge as you can tell. Thanks for helping me out.

Residential Recreation
03-26-2005, 01:59 PM
your first bid was way too much call local people and ask them how much they charge. i use this formula 10 hours per 100 sq ft. base materials, paver sand gravel sealants etc . rentals. add all these together and then add on 36% your profit margin should be great. I work alone if i need some body i usually pay them ten per hour and they dont work more than 6.
now 80 dollars an hour seems a little high. but who am i to say im in indiana where everything is cheap. if your in a metro area you might get away with 80 per hour i use 30 per hour. if any body has any other suggestions please write them in.

Residential Recreation
03-26-2005, 02:01 PM
mark i just looked and notices that your from grosse point i use to live in plymouth now 80 per hour doesnt look so bad. your area is full of people with nothing better to do with their money. lower your first bid a little and see if he haggles

TJLANDS
03-28-2005, 02:51 PM
In NJ I am lucky to get $10 a square ft for a paver job. 12x12x@$10Sq
$1440.00

GreenMonster
03-28-2005, 03:23 PM
Mark, I'm from the school that believes you shouldn't bid by the square foot, but...... $28/sf?!?! Unless that is a very elaborate design with lots of cuts, difficult excavation and poor accessibility that number seems excessively high.

If you have some paver experience, I would think with good access, you'd be able to knock that out in a day (maybe a long day) with another guy.

RedWingsDet
03-28-2005, 05:36 PM
im not doing that job anymore, she said she'll wait until next year...

I got another job estimate today, actually I have to give 5 people estimates all from calls today :cool2: and one is 20x3, im gonna tell him $1000 I think.

RedWingsDet
03-28-2005, 09:08 PM
I just quoted another job. 20x3... I quoted him at 1050, and he said "lets do it". Im also installing sod for him.. wooo hooo. I start tommorow. The sod was another 800. :cool2: It should only take like 12hours to do it all.

Residential Recreation
03-28-2005, 09:29 PM
I just quoted another job. 20x3... I quoted him at 1050, and he said "lets do it". Im also installing sod for him.. wooo hooo. I start tommorow. The sod was another 800. :cool2: It should only take like 12hours to do it all.
im figurin 17$ per sqft i told you those people had nothing better to do with their money

RedWingsDet
03-28-2005, 09:41 PM
im figurin 17$ per sqft i told you those people had nothing better to do with their money


LOL.

but hey, help me with this math, please... im figureing 65sq foot just to be safe. the block im using is 4x8...

so to figure out how many blocks I need, is it, 70*144/32. so 315 bricks, correct?

then for the 21aa. is it 20'x3'x 3/12 /27. because that doesnt seem right. thanks again. cause thats only like .55, but maybe im right

then for slag sand, 20x2x2/12 /27 and its .4.

thanks again

Residential Recreation
03-28-2005, 10:03 PM
4.5 or 5 pavers per sq ft. ad 10 percent extra allways.
sand gravel topsoil sq ft divided by 100 = tons needed for 2" base add 20% for compaction just to let you know if i move back to the detroit area i will be your biggest competition if you get 17 per sqft on most of your jobs im movin next week

RedWingsDet
03-28-2005, 10:09 PM
ya i only need 60sq foot, but i added 10sq foot just to be safe.

thanks for informing me about the compaction! I didnt know...

and theres already PLENTY of competition...

the 3500 flyers that I had passed out have really helped :) Im gettin 10,000 more made up!!!

kootoomootoo
03-28-2005, 10:11 PM
LOL.

but hey, help me with this math, please... im figureing 65sq foot just to be safe. the block im using is 4x8...

so to figure out how many blocks I need, is it, 70*144/32. so 315 bricks, correct?

then for the 21aa. is it 20'x3'x 3/12 /27. because that doesnt seem right. thanks again. cause thats only like .55, but maybe im right

then for slag sand, 20x2x2/12 /27 and its .4.

thanks again



Volume = (L x W x H) / 27
= (20' x 4' x 0.333') / 27
= .99 Cubic Yards (plus allow for compaction)

I dig it 4 feet wide .. 4in min. base ....give you 6 inches approx. either side for edge restraint.

Residential Recreation
03-28-2005, 10:13 PM
how much did your flyers cost and dont forget to add the extra sq ft for the edging

Residential Recreation
03-28-2005, 10:15 PM
give me your email address i have a paver pack you might be interested in

RedWingsDet
03-28-2005, 10:19 PM
thank you very much kootoomootoo's Avatar
kootoomootoo.... I was planning on doing 3" 21aa and 2" slag sand, maybe ill do 4" 21aa and 2" slagsand... I already have the edging from previous jobs.

RR. it was 145$ to get 5000 flyers made up. it was 8x11, black and white on green paper. ill pm you my email.


edit: well it wont let me pm you, so my email is premier landscaping @ comcast net, but delete the spaces.

RedWingsDet
03-28-2005, 10:35 PM
sorry guys... one more question...

I want to do the border with grey 4x8 paver, and then the rest with red 4x8 paver... so do i do, 46*12/8 and thats how many grey pavers I need for the border? and then the remaining pavers is red? Thanks so much, i bet I look like a stupid a$$, but we all learn sometime.

Residential Recreation
03-28-2005, 10:40 PM
what type of border are you doin soldier or sailor? the email i sent you has brocures from many paver manufactures call them and ask for brocures they will be happy to send you some. navastone is the only company that would not send me 10 copies of their brocures paveloc sends you an excellent package.

RedWingsDet
03-28-2005, 10:50 PM
thanks rr for the info...

and i want to run grey soliders along the permiter. and red in the middle, and then put a grey 4x8 sideways for the border inbetween the grass and the solider.

Residential Recreation
03-28-2005, 10:59 PM
i will email you a conversion sheet

Residential Recreation
03-29-2005, 09:26 PM
where are you buying 21aa at that price and by the yard. i get mine by the ton. plus AI is minuts away from my office
did that price include delivery or did you plan on pickin that up yourself