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kootoomootoo
04-03-2005, 07:31 PM
Have any of you guys built one of these before. Assuming we build a frame to fit
with brussels dimensional and a fair amount of adhesive but looking for the potential headaches/shortcuts from someone who has built one.

dcondon
04-03-2005, 09:20 PM
I think that is real nice. I have never seen anything like that before!!!

Drew Gemma
04-03-2005, 10:00 PM
I would love to build one of those where can I get the directions for that. I want to put one in my yard this summer. How about cost time and other factors. If anyone knows pass it on to me.

cgland
04-03-2005, 10:29 PM
We built one this year, but it was not as easy as that one. The one we built was on a radius and had a side burner. I have some pics, but the top or the grill is not installed yet. They are not the best pics, but I will post more next week of the finished product.

Chris

Residential Recreation
04-03-2005, 10:36 PM
the only potential headache is the gas line they are easy to do if you know anything about pipes. also chek out paveloc bbq as well its a wolf countertop grill and wolf makes the best kitchen equipment out there. you can use pretty much any gas grill the frame isnt too tricky but after a while grease and burnt food falls into the frame and cleaning it sucks

Rex Mann
04-03-2005, 10:47 PM
Pretty easy to build. But, you need the manufactures specs. for the size opening you need to leave.

Also, I suggest using a solid material to act like a countertop. We used sandstone here. You don't want any food getting down into the cracks of the brussels.

Peace,

Rex

PaversInstalled.Com (http://paversinstalled.com)

opplandscape
04-03-2005, 11:06 PM
CG - Did you do that whole thing? It's beautiful. Can I ask how much a job like that would run.. We're still trying to get a handle on the pricing. We're about to bid on a paver patio and walk...

cgland
04-03-2005, 11:13 PM
Yeah, we did the whole thing It was 3,400 sq ft of pavers, raised up on three sides by a 2.5' high retaining wall. Project also included sitting walls, pillars, gates, lighting, landscaping, and of course the grill.

All together the project was like $95,000 or so (plus the pool was another $65k) payup

Chris

kootoomootoo
04-03-2005, 11:20 PM
Pretty easy to build. But, you need the manufactures specs. for the size opening you need to leave.

Also, I suggest using a solid material to act like a countertop. We used sandstone here. You don't want any food getting down into the cracks of the brussels.

Peace,

Rex

PaversInstalled.Com (http://paversinstalled.com)

Rex,

How is the grill's weight supported in the pic you show. Is it resting on the block or did you attach something to the block to support it.

opplandscape
04-03-2005, 11:48 PM
Yeah, we did the whole thing It was 3,400 sq ft of pavers, raised up on three sides by a 2.5' high retaining wall. Project also included sitting walls, pillars, gates, lighting, landscaping, and of course the grill.

All together the project was like $95,000 or so (plus the pool was another $65k) payup

Chris
How big is your company? People, sales, etc... I checked out your website. My partner and I are where you were in 98,,sort of.... Just curious

cgland
04-04-2005, 12:00 AM
Right now we employ 10 full time people . Our sales should exceed 800,000 this year...hoping for 1 mil next year.
That pic is soooo old. I keep telling my buddy to pull that pic off. When that pic was taken it was just me and my partner. we did about 110k our first full year.

Chris

opplandscape
04-04-2005, 12:10 AM
Was that mostly lawn care or did you start out doing hardscapes/landscapes.. Do you mind if I ask your age??? I've worked in a lot of different fields in my life and am doing this relatively late in life. Your success gives me good feeings about the future....

Peter (opplandscape)

kootoomootoo
04-04-2005, 12:17 AM
Dont want you to share all your secrets but how did you get over the hump
from a small 3-4 guy operation to supporting 10 guys. How did you keep 10 guys busy with hardscape work? Full time sales staff? Lots of marketing? Did you hire guys smarter than yourself as in specialists in their own right....landscape architect/masonry/irrigation etc...

Tony Clifton
04-04-2005, 08:47 AM
Nice work Chris, how many of those BBQs have you done? My company is about the same size as yours, its pretty fun growing something from scratch isnt it?
Could some of you guys provide me with some links to some of the different suppliers of these stainless steel BBQs? Thanks

cgland
04-04-2005, 07:38 PM
We started doing mostly lawn care and property maintenance. I do alot of reading and research and one day we had a customer ask us for a patio quote. I quoted the job (with no help from Lawnsite .. :p ) and it was history from there. We landed a couple nice jobs (3k - 4k) back then and our reputation grew. Today 80% of our sales is hardscaping.
opp - I am 33 years OLD. I have been doing this for almost 8 years and I love it.
koot - As far as getting over the perverbial hump, we just keep taking as much business as we can handle and based on sales projections and bookings for the following year we hire more people as necessary. As you all know it is very hard to find good help and luckily we have a great group of guys. Because we are a diverse company, it is easy to keep our guys busy. If one division is slow we send the guys to work in another. This works great, because our guys have a knowledge of all aspects of what we do. However, the last couple of years we have had very little crew swaping because of our work load. The only "secret" we have is "do quality work and portray a corporate or professional company and the work will find you. We spend less than one percent on marketing. Our customers are our biggest advertising. The funny thing is that I do all of the marketing, sales calls, designs, and customer service. This equates to alot of long days and nights, but it gives my customers the warm fuzzy knowing that I am handling their project. I am very big on continuing education and I have a problem with someone in my company knowing more than me. (can you say control freak!) That is why I try to keep myself one step ahead of my guys and the competition. Put it this way, I have never had an employee hold me hostage. The things I don't do like irrigation or masonry work I sub out to companies that I do research on for quality and customer service. I don't claim to know it all, but I do my best to try. We have come a long way and we still have a long way to go. I would like my sales to reach 10 mil before I stop growing. Thanks for the compliments guys. It's nice to hear it from guys that are all accomplished in their own rite. I hope I answered all of your questions.

Chris

AL Inc
04-04-2005, 09:46 PM
CG- even if that is an old pic, that job looks great. I'm still at about 65% property maintenance, but trying to grow the construction end of my business. Your story is inspiring!

GreenMonster
04-04-2005, 10:05 PM
Chris,

If you want to pull that pic, then you must have A LOT to be proud of! Great work and great story! I hope to share a success story like that in a few years!

mbella
04-04-2005, 10:31 PM
We built one this year, but it was not as easy as that one. The one we built was on a radius and had a side burner. I have some pics, but the top or the grill is not installed yet. They are not the best pics, but I will post more next week of the finished product.

Chris

They should revoke your ICPI cert. That looks horrible. Just kidding. That looks really good. Did you design it? Did that homeowner say, "Chris, I don't want to mow ever again. Pave my entire backyard."

opplandscape
04-04-2005, 11:11 PM
CG - I like the way you think. I want to grow by reputation... I'm almost forty and through a life path better told over a beer or two, I ended up trying to get this venture going.. I've got some catching up to do. I appreciate all the advice (from you and the rest of lawnsite)

cgland
04-04-2005, 11:23 PM
Mark - Thanks man! Always great to hear!
Mike - My old friend! Yes we (I)did design the entire project and yes! They literally have less than 1k sq ft of lawn in the back. The design was originally for a rectangular grill enclosure, but as the project progressed we modified it and made it a radius so it would flow better with the rest of the project. (lucky me, because it was a royal pain in the arse). Thanks Mike

The one thing I have learned in my many months of business is that you never stop learning. You will always see new design ideas and develop new techniques. Thats what makes this industry great....constant innovation.

Thanks again guys.

Chris

Bull_11
04-04-2005, 11:57 PM
I would like my sales to reach 10 mil before I stop growing.

Chris
10 MILLION DOLLARS? In a year? You'll probably own Reading by that point!? :p What kind of radius do you work in from your base location?

Brian

Lux Lawn
04-05-2005, 09:40 AM
We built one this year, but it was not as easy as that one. The one we built was on a radius and had a side burner. I have some pics, but the top or the grill is not installed yet. They are not the best pics, but I will post more next week of the finished product.

Chris

Great looking job...I can't wait to see it when its finished.

Rex Mann
04-05-2005, 08:56 PM
The BBQ sits on its own factory frame. The frame sits directly on the brussels.
The sandstone runs right up to the sides of the grill.

Peace,

Rex

ClevelandPavers.Com (http://clevelandpavers.com)

kootoomootoo
04-06-2005, 10:07 PM
Thanks Rex.... The wife wants one now. :)

ZX12R
04-07-2005, 09:54 PM
CGLAND,nice,nice and nice! What kind of pavers are they? Also,they look wet,did it rain or is it due to a sealer you applied?

cgland
04-07-2005, 10:18 PM
ZX - Thanks! They are wet......I wet them myself. I think it takes a better pic. Iusually take a wet pic and a dry pic of each project. This way I have actual pictures of color variations and stuff to show customers.

Chris

ZX12R
04-07-2005, 10:30 PM
Thanks for the reply.Are the pavers Techo Blok?

GreenMonster
04-08-2005, 07:44 AM
ZX - Thanks! They are wet......I wet them myself. I think it takes a better pic

he he. I use that little "trick" myself, Chris. Does make them look better. :drinkup:

cgland
04-08-2005, 08:05 AM
All the product in the photos is EP Henry.

kris
04-09-2005, 04:40 AM
Great looking work.

Lots of points I would love to go off topic on ,but, I'll watch for them in other threads.

kootoomootoo
05-20-2005, 06:44 PM
Solid surface ie sandstone countertops would have worked better but customer was happy with limestone brussels. Looking at this photo for the first time it looks like the pavers under the doors look way to low but its a shadow. I'll have to take a morning photo.

Rex Mann
05-21-2005, 12:51 AM
Great looking BBQ. Out here they are all block with stucco over them, not a big fan. I miss Unilock products out here.

Peace,

Rex

ArizonaPavers.Com (http://arizonapavers.com)