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steve122
04-20-2005, 10:24 PM
I participated in a bid recently. It was for low income housing projects, 6 sites for 2 years and 1 site for 1 year. One bidder gets all. I had the contract 2 years ago so I was familiar with all of the sites. Someone came in two years ago and cut the prices almost in half. I picked up bid package and almost didn't put in a bid because of the specs and because of the new director of the housing authority. Knew of him and he is a real jerk, who likes to micro manage and nitpick. Anyway, just for the hell of it I'm posting the results of the bids so you can see how differently people see things. The names have been kept out to protect the innocent and the lowballer.
2 year price for 6 complexes

34,195
55,440
57,385
85,500
94,910

1 year price for 1 complex


10,800
17,500
18,400
23,400
32,890

Mine was the bid shown in red, the highest and I didn't feel the least bit of remorse at not getting the contract. The winning bid is in blue, for 55,440 and 10,800. The guy with the lowest bid was the one who held the contract for the last 2 years, don't know why they didn't give it to him unless he had bid the $34, 195 for one year and would have been in 3rd place if they multiplied it by 2.

JB1
04-20-2005, 11:03 PM
Somebody left a lot of money on the table.

Todd's lawncare
04-21-2005, 12:41 AM
I participated in a bid recently. It was for low income housing projects, 6 sites for 2 years and 1 site for 1 year. One bidder gets all. I had the contract 2 years ago so I was familiar with all of the sites. Someone came in two years ago and cut the prices almost in half. I picked up bid package and almost didn't put in a bid because of the specs and because of the new director of the housing authority. Knew of him and he is a real jerk, who likes to micro manage and nitpick. Anyway, just for the hell of it I'm posting the results of the bids so you can see how differently people see things. The names have been kept out to protect the innocent and the lowballer.
2 year price for 6 complexes

34,195
55,440
57,385
85,500
94,910

1 year price for 1 complex


10,800
17,500
18,400
23,400
32,890

Mine was the bid shown in red, the highest and I didn't feel the least bit of remorse at not getting the contract. The winning bid is in blue, for 55,440 and 10,800. The guy with the lowest bid was the one who held the contract for the last 2 years, don't know why they didn't give it to him unless he had bid the $34, 195 for one year and would have been in 3rd place if they multiplied it by 2.
Are you a lowballer because you came in almost 10 grand less then the one guy ???????? Let me guess your answer NO

rodfather
04-21-2005, 07:13 AM
Almost 95 grand? How much of that is trash pickup I wonder...

pagefault
04-22-2005, 12:30 AM
My guess is that the guy who had it for the last two years lost it because he did poor quality work or did not hit it off with the new director. If he is a nit-picker, that seems like a reasonable conclusion.

I too, am confused about the whole lowballing thing now. Up until now, when someone said "I got lowballed. He bid $25k on a $35k job!", I've thought "Yeah, that sounds like lowballing." I did not agree with the reactions to the lowballing and I had my theories about why the person was lowballing, but I agreed that it sounded like lowballing.

Now, I see two jobs. One is bid from 11-33k and I am certain that most of the people on this site, if they bid 33k and lost to someone who bid 23k, would call that lowballing. Likewise, most people bidding 32 and losing to someone who bid 17 would probably feel lowballed. As would the guy at 17, if he lost to the one at 11. So, who is right?

In the more extreme case, the range was 34-95k. The high bid was nearly triple the low bid. And it wasn't just one bidder at the top, either. One was 85 and one was 95.

I know that I am just restating the information in the original post, but I am dumbfounded. It looks like the reasonable bids on the larger job were 55 and 57. But, if Steve hadn't been so open and had just started the thread by saying "I bid 95k and the job went to a lowballer at 55k", few would question that.

I guess what I am wondering is how the range can be that wide. It almost sounds as though the RFP was unclear. Maybe the low guy who had the account before did not do everything that was expected. Maybe Steve, having done it in the past, knew what was expected and bid appropriately, but was too high because there was a new group who either did not understand what was expected, or did understand and lowballed based on a realistic expectation of the work involved.

Either way, I appreciate all of the information, because it makes me think.

I know that in the past, I have had to solicit bids for development work, testing, etc. If I ever got a range like that, I would be looking at my original request to see what might be unclear.

Wow. ;)

DSSinc
04-22-2005, 11:43 AM
Not to get off topic, but you gotta love how the government does business. Especially in Illinois. There was a local bid for lawn and tree care and the winner mysteriously came in $40.00 over the municipality's FY budget. The second place company, which had the contract last season, came in at $7260 more. Now you tell me there wasn't any insider information given to the winner before the bids were due. That's one of the reasons why I don't participate in government bid opportunities. I see where steve122 is coming from with his bid.

Just my .02¢

pagefault
04-22-2005, 12:26 PM
I have to wonder if the winning bidder knew the director.

moneyman
04-24-2005, 06:58 AM
In Oklahoma im told If the Contractor does not seem competent or prior dealings with the contractor were BAd they can decline the lowest offer.

joshlawn
04-24-2005, 12:49 PM
Not to get off topic, but you gotta love how the government does business. Especially in Illinois. There was a local bid for lawn and tree care and the winner mysteriously came in $40.00 over the municipality's FY budget. The second place company, which had the contract last season, came in at $7260 more. Now you tell me there wasn't any insider information given to the winner before the bids were due. That's one of the reasons why I don't participate in government bid opportunities. I see where steve122 is coming from with his bid.

It's the same way in Knoxville, TN. The same crew of people get most of the gov. contracts for the road medians every single year. They bid right at the departments budgeted amount every time. They do a horrible job, they're always late and they look horrible doing it (generic equipment, torn clothing and such). It happens that the lawn crew is all black (no white's, Hispanics or other), and the gov. director is black too. -PLEASE don't get me wrong here, I'm NOT racist, or saying there's a conspiracy!- I'm just saying that in life it's who you know, not what you know. Myself, and many other LCO's I've talked to still bid every year on them, but realistically hold no hopes of getting them any time soon.

Jeff@SGLC.ca
04-24-2005, 02:42 PM
Are you a lowballer because you came in almost 10 grand less then the one guy ???????? Let me guess your answer NO

Todd unless you are trying to stir something up for some unknown reason I've come to not respect your comments each post I read. Are you calling him a lowballer because he was not the most expensive? Is there some point behind ppl calling others lowballers you are trying to bring to our attention?

Just because Steve was not the most expensive does not make himself a lowballer. He has experience from previous years working the account and knows what to expect, I'm sure he bid what he felt he wanted to get. Now is the guy who bid half of what everyone else bid a lowballer? Probbaly or he just has no clue.

Todd's lawncare
04-24-2005, 11:28 PM
Todd unless you are trying to stir something up for some unknown reason I've come to not respect your comments each post I read. Are you calling him a lowballer because he was not the most expensive? Is there some point behind ppl calling others lowballers you are trying to bring to our attention?

Just because Steve was not the most expensive does not make himself a lowballer. He has experience from previous years working the account and knows what to expect, I'm sure he bid what he felt he wanted to get. Now is the guy who bid half of what everyone else bid a lowballer? Probbaly or he just has no clue.
I don't think you ever did respect them at all .
No i am not trying to throw gas on the fire but if any one of us new guys to this site would say i got the bid because i was 20 bucks cheaper he would be called a low-baller. You know i know and they know it . Someone said i was well two did i was a negative guy so why not . I may not know as much as any of you but yet some minors on here get more respect then a guy like myself . If you and your brothers wanna bash ill live up to the name . And any one with out new equipment is a scrub that f***ed up as long as what you got looks good it don't matter but i guess you you want respect here you have to be in the hole to start with to mean anything to any one here . Does it bother me what you and any one thinks on here NO . Take all the cheap shoots you want . But I'm not as bad as half of yous with the racism and what not .

lawnman_scott
04-24-2005, 11:53 PM
I don't think you ever did respect them at all .
No i am not trying to throw gas on the fire but if any one of us new guys to this site would say i got the bid because i was 20 bucks cheaper he would be called a low-baller. You know i know and they know it . Someone said i was well two did i was a negative guy so why not . I may not know as much as any of you but yet some minors on here get more respect then a guy like myself . If you and your brothers wanna bash ill live up to the name . And any one with out new equipment is a scrub that f***ed up as long as what you got looks good it don't matter but i guess you you want respect here you have to be in the hole to start with to mean anything to any one here . Does it bother me what you and any one thinks on here NO . Take all the cheap shoots you want . But I'm not as bad as half of yous with the racism and what not .
I agree with you on the lowballing. I also agree with you on the racism. But you should watch your language and not be so cocky, look at how many threads you were a part of that are not able to be viewed now.
It is funny though, someone on here that people for some reason look up to get a government contract and they are praised, when anyone with a half a brain knows that they were the low bidder. But for some reason that isnt lowballing......... And an all black company without cheap company t-shirts, wow. Never seen any white guys dressed like that........

steve122
04-25-2005, 12:54 AM
I really don't think there is any preference or under the table dealings in this bid. I say that from watching and participating in the bid 3 times over the last 6 years. What I see is a new group of bidders every two years, who have no experience with low income housing work and don't take into account all of the minor irritants, like 5-6-7 flat tires per day, 6-7 man hours per day picking up trash, residents who won't move so you can mow thru, causing you to have to return to areas, gangs of kids in the summer who think the greatest thing in the world is to stand and stare at you while you try and mow and not hit them with dust and grass, multiple insurance claims for broken car windows and scratched paint jobs, none of which are your fault, but they know they can call the housing office and get your insurance carrier and when you get home you have a message from the claims office wanting details, lots of little things like that.
Was mowing one of the projects last Wednesday, stopped to pick up a broken concrete block that was laying in the grass. Started mowing and saw a piece of rock go skipping thru the grass in front of me and thought it was strange, hadn't heard the blades hit anything. Looked behind me and saw a 15-16 years old standing there grinning. Came back around, when i was heading away from him again saw a rock come by my head, missed me by about 1 foot. Looked back, kid standing there grinning like crazy. Pulled out my cell phone, held it up and started dialing, he and two buddies took off running. Its nothgin to have a resident see you coming toward them and have them pick up a trash can and dump it right in front of you in the grass, just so they can watch yo pick it up. That is why my bid was 95xxx and not too high. And the contract gives them the right to reject any bid for any reason, not bound to take low bid.

Jeff@SGLC.ca
04-25-2005, 12:56 AM
Did I miss the post with racism in it? I'm not a racist at all, my buddy who works with me is Jamaican, my other two best friends are west indian and east indian so you won't get that from me.


Todd, I'm not attacking you I just feel you make a lot of one line comments that add nothing constructive to the threads.

Todd's lawncare
04-25-2005, 01:15 AM
Did I miss the post with racism in it? I'm not a racist at all, my buddy who works with me is Jamaican, my other two best friends are west indian and east indian so you won't get that from me.


Todd, I'm not attacking you I just feel you make a lot of one line comments that add nothing constructive to the threads.
Sure i do but so does 8 out of every 10 at this site do . I didn't say you were the one showing racism but it is here any you know it . For the people that wont hire a white guy i find that racist don't you ? And lately i have been a bit cocky for a number of reasons . Just like every one else does at one time or another . But some people are dead set to bring new and young people in the green Industry down time and time again . I am far from new to it and far from new to owning and operating a company by any means believe it or not .

lawnman_scott
04-25-2005, 01:28 AM
It's the same way in Knoxville, TN. The same crew of people get most of the gov. contracts for the road medians every single year. They bid right at the departments budgeted amount every time. They do a horrible job, they're always late and they look horrible doing it (generic equipment, torn clothing and such). It happens that the lawn crew is all black (no white's, Hispanics or other), and the gov. director is black too. -Jeff i think this is what Todd and I were refering to.

Jeff@SGLC.ca
04-25-2005, 01:37 AM
Jeff i think this is what Todd and I were refering to.


Ahh ok. I'd just like to make an observation as far as "black" work crews go. I've noticed on my trips through the states a lot of the road construction and paving crews have a lot more black employees. Now if you were to look at our paving crews up here, they are all Italian, 2 or 3 generations lol out there working.

Now is there a coincidence that an all black cutting crew bids the budgeted amount with a black director......I'm sure there is some colusion going on but I would not see it as being racist.

Oh and I never bring down anyone young and starting out. I don't think someone who is 16 can really say they are in the business...up here you can't even drive a car by yourself at that age. I started young, 17 I was out cutting and aerationg lawns and I'm still at it. It would of been nice to have this site when I was 17 though, haters or not.