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cgland
04-21-2005, 07:11 PM
Here are some pics of a set of steps we built using the pedestal method. These are the tallest I have built. I believe there are 7 skids of block in the steps alone. As you can see we intermixed EP Henry Coventry block with Versa Lok to save some money and give it some beef. There are also 3 pulls of geogrid in the steps as well.

Chris

sgallaher
04-21-2005, 08:28 PM
Looks really good. Nice work.

gil
04-21-2005, 09:04 PM
Nice!!!!!
How long did it take you to build the steps?
Really nice work.
Gil

chesie
04-21-2005, 09:35 PM
Is that a CAT 242 I see in the background? Man knows his machines!

SodKing
04-21-2005, 09:48 PM
It looks great...If I may ask, what is the difference between the pedestal method and building the stairs with just 2 or 3 submerged blocks per stair?

mbella
04-21-2005, 10:26 PM
Looks great Chris. Did you compare the cost using Versa Lok vs. using Cov. Wall Plus? Just curious what the savings were.

cgland
04-21-2005, 10:47 PM
Thanks guys!

gil - It took about 18 man hours to build the steps. (2 guys 9 hrs)
Chesie - It is actually a CAT 232! I wish I would have gone bigger, but hindsight is 20/20.
Sodking - The pedestal method is where your whole structure is solid block all resting on your initial base. There is no backfill behind the riser what so ever. The advantages are a more solid, stable structure with less likliness of settlement and labor savings. Although I think the labor savings is offset by the additional material two fold.
Mike - We saved a ton of money by using Versa lok behind the scenes instead of Coventry (VL = $6.25/sq ft Coventry = $12.45/sq ft)
P.S. Coventry plus is an 8" block. The steps would be too awkward using it.

Chris

sheshovel
04-21-2005, 11:56 PM
Beutifull work you do yourself very proud.I'm sure your customers are very very happy with it.Now raise your price next time because of the expeirence you gained this time.

aclassic
04-22-2005, 01:03 AM
kudos on a job well done, i've done this before and i feel your pain steps + radius = one tough job
looks great though

neversatisfiedj
04-22-2005, 12:32 PM
Great looking steps !! I have a bid coming up on a very similar job. What was you bid on that job might I ask ? How high were the steps ?

cgland
04-22-2005, 07:14 PM
The bid itself was for $22,500, but that included 700 sq. ft of pavers, lighting and 80 linear foot of retaining wall ranging from 2' to 5.5'. I will post pics of the finished product.

chris

neversatisfiedj
04-28-2005, 11:01 PM
What was your rise and run on those steps ?

cgland
04-29-2005, 10:29 PM
The rise was 5 1/2' and the run was about 11'. The risers are the standard 6" and the tread is 12 1/2" with a 1" overhang. There are a total of 11 steps.

chris

MarcusLndscp
04-30-2005, 09:58 PM
Now there's a perfect install......that really looks nice Chris. A job well done!!! We've got a Cat 262 and it's the best skid steer I've ever used. Glad we opted for the large machine, it's a huge difference.
Mark

neversatisfiedj
05-01-2005, 09:35 AM
I'm tryint to figure out the steps on a job I'm bidding on. My rise is 9' and the run is 40' .

cgland
05-01-2005, 10:15 AM
neversatisfiedj - You will have 18 steps. You can do it a couple of ways. 1 - You can have your treads measure like 2 feet 1 inch and just keep it consistant that way or you can do a standard 12 inch tread and every 6 steps have like a 7 foot landing. I'm sure there are other ways to do it, but I would choose one of these.

Marcus - Thanks! Yeah, I kick myself everyday for getting the smaller machine. It sucks because I have to break down every skid of pavers and wall block so that I can lift it. :realmad:

Chris

YardPro
05-02-2005, 08:14 AM
hey chris.....

i am curious.
i have never built steps in this method. You say the labor savings more than offset the additional cost of the block???

looks like it is a lot easier. we have always filled behind each step, compacted, and laid the new course.....

any tips for trying this for the first time???

GreenMonster
05-02-2005, 08:30 AM
Chris, Nice Work! I've never done the pedestal method either. Maybe I'll give it a shot next time. Of course, it will have to be when I use something other than hollow core allan block.

2 guys/9 hours is also impressive! You guys were bogeyin'! :cool2:

cgland
05-02-2005, 05:17 PM
Yardpro - Try it on a 2 or 3 rise set of steps. I think the cost about evens itself out. The main benefit is you are eliminating alot of settling issues, so in those terms it could save you a TON of labor. Next time you do a patio w/ a couple of steps up to the door use this method...I think you will be suprised how easy and fast it is.

Mark - Thanks! Where have you been? LOL Yeah! We were bogeyin' The only cutting is the face blocks. The worst part about it was humpin' the block....thank God for laborers! :p

Chris

GreenMonster
05-04-2005, 03:23 PM
Mark - Thanks! Where have you been

Chris, I'm small time, man! I've been straight out. Hardscapes start for me in a week or so! :cool2: Screw this clean-up sh!t :sleeping:

PAPS Landscape Design
05-09-2005, 10:05 PM
Instead of using the dummy blocks, you could also just fill behind each step with like 6-8'' of QP and compact that too. then build next step. We been doing it like that for yrs now. Although, we sometimes use dummy blocks too.

cgland
05-11-2005, 07:25 PM
PAPS - We used to use that method, but in smaller/tighter areas it is too hard to get good even compaction. The pedestal method eliminates settling in the steps provided you installed your base correctly. You may be able to get away with the backfill method on 2-3 steps, but on steps like ours, it leaves too much stone behind it to settle if you didn't compact right.

Chris

PAPS Landscape Design
05-11-2005, 10:17 PM
PAPS - We used to use that method, but in smaller/tighter areas it is too hard to get good even compaction. The pedestal method eliminates settling in the steps provided you installed your base correctly. You may be able to get away with the backfill method on 2-3 steps, but on steps like ours, it leaves too much stone behind it to settle if you didn't compact right.

Chris


yea i agreed, that when you need the dummy block. + if you use a jumping jack or compact too close it throws the steps out of wack due to heavy compaction and vibration