Rr Ties

[RedWingsDet]

Heres the scoop. tell me what you would charge, labor only. material cost is 11500. but just tell me labor... Its 500, eight foot rail road ties. Consists of digging the trench, putting them in, and then tieing them together using metal re-enforcements to make sure they stay butted up against eachother.

again, its 500, 8ft ties. labor only.

im thinking about 6700 for labor.

what would you guys charge as far as labor goes. thanks

[sheshovel]

Well thats 4000' of trench thats 18" wide,and Do you mean the kind of metal things that they use on trusses to tie them together?On the top only or the sides too?(the metal things?)How close are the ties to where you will be putting them in?At just $15.00 a tie to set and level and butt and secure.... I'm getting $7500.00.Thats a good round # but I would round it up to $8000.00 to pay for the trench too.

[RedWingsDet]

Well thats 4000' of trench thats 18" wide,and Do you mean the kind of metal things that they use on trusses to tie them together?On the top only or the sides too?(the metal things?)How close are the ties to where you will be putting them in?At just $15.00 a tie including the trench I'm getting $7500.00.Thats a good round #

on the sides only, none on the top.

but I like to charge hourly, not per. but hey, we'll see. Plus, im planning on paying my cousing and brother about 1200 each to do it all. so we shall see what happenes. the bid is due by tuesday.

but maybe I should bid it at 7500 for labor. which would be a grand total of 18650

[sheshovel]

Well,devide alot of hours by $8000.00 then!!!

[RedWingsDet]

Well,devide $8000.00 by alot of hours then!!!

lol right on... im thinking it'd take about 96hours maybe, with 2 guys?

What do you guys think?

[sheshovel]

Dont forget to butt and tie together you will have to level each one both ends or you wont be able to tie

[RedWingsDet]

Dont forget to butt and tie together you will have to level each one both ends or you wont be able to tie

thats what the metal is for. going to take sheet metal, or something else that is strong and cut it like 6-8in in length and then screw 2 screws into it into each side of the tie, so 4 screws per 6-8" sheet metal re-enforcement

[sheshovel]

Whatsa matta don't think the girls can answer this one??

[sheshovel]

Have no Idea the man hours cuz don't know site or acsess or if your brother is lazy or fast or smart or stupid.

[sheshovel]

How bout using Gang nail clips,much faster amd easier

[RedWingsDet]

How bout using Gang nail clips,much faster amd easier

whats that? and where do I find them? any pix?

[sheshovel]

thats what the metal is for. going to take sheet metal, or something else that is strong and cut it like 6-8in in length and then screw 2 screws into it into each side of the tie, so 4 screws per 6-8" sheet metal re-enforcement

You gonna cut 250 of those???? :pThey are flat squares o triangles of heavy duty metal that have little teeth right in them and you just hammer them on.They are used to join trusses and wood together building houses

[RedWingsDet]

You gonna cut 250 of those???? :pThey are flat squares o triangles of heavy duty metal that have little teeth right in them and you just hammer them on.They are used to join trusses and wood together building houses

homedepot and lowes sell them? any idea how much they cost? Ill guess .33 each. thanks!!!!

[sheshovel]

OK forget that what I would do if I were you is hold them in place with rebar driven through two holes per tie one each end ,12" to 16" small rebar.That's how I keep ties from going any where.

[sheshovel]

OK forget that what I would do if I were you is hold them in place with rebar driven through two holes per tie one each end ,12" to 16" small rebar.That's how I keep ties from going any where. The gang nails might cost too much but I'll go take a pic of one so you can see it,gimmie 10 min.

[RedWingsDet]

OK forget that what I would do if I were you is hold them in place with rebar driven through two holes per tie one each end ,12" to 16" small rebar.That's how I keep ties from going any where.

thatd be ALOT more expensive though.

im doing cleanup work that the other guy they hired left, they hired him to do it all for 2grand. I just about died laughing because they hired him and he only did like 1/4 of it and all the ties were stolen I think because they were all different sizes and he just layed them down. so when they get my bid of like 22k, I think they will have sticker shock. im kind of scared to give it to them

[sheshovel]

Well thought I had some but can't find them,just ask at building supply and they will know.

[RedWingsDet]

k cool. thanks anyway, im off to bed.

what does everyone else have to say about the pricing, of labor?

[GreenMonster]

Kinda hard to give a manhour estimate when we don't know the base footprint, what you're doing for a base, what you're doing for backfill, how much excavation is necessary, and what the accessability is like.

Are these RR ties or timbers? Either way, yuck.

[Electra_Glide]

OK forget that what I would do if I were you is hold them in place with rebar driven through two holes per tie one each end ,12" to 16" small rebar.That's how I keep ties from going any where.


Ding, ding, ding...we have a winner!!!

To me, this is the ONLY way to secure them if you're worried about them moving over time.

Are you using new or recycled ties?


Joe Kantz

[Garth]

OK forget that what I would do if I were you is hold them in place with rebar driven through two holes per tie one each end ,12" to 16" small rebar.That's how I keep ties from going any where.

I suggest you listen...the lady knows what she's talking about. This little passage shows she's done it before. It maybe a bit more time consuming but it's cheaper for you to do the job right the first time than to keep running back to repair it again and again.
Also, if these are treated ties or landscape timbers take care about planting edible plants inside the bed. besides creosote, timbers usually have arsenic in them that can be leached into vegetables.

[RedWingsDet]

new.... but the problem with the rebar, that I just found out today, is that there is wires that are only like an inch or two underneath. this is going to be a pita

[Moe Fish]

the truss plates will work thee way out over time. get some straping and use screws

[RedWingsDet]

sorry, whats strapping?

[Garth]

I think they call it plumber's tape. Thin strips of metal with holes running the length of it. Comes in a roll that looks like thin duct tape with measles.


How, in the three shades of the colour of fornication, do you not know what straping is?? Bloody hell, it's up there with duct tape, JB weld and Bondo!!!

[sheshovel]

price it with a pain in the arse price,cuz that's what its gonna be a holy PITA>

[Pro-Scapes]

Yeah its gonna be pita with a side of pita and a pita for dessert. Sheshovel is right on the mark tho. I wouldn't even consider doing a job like that without hammering rebar or steel pipes throught them. When I did my own house I used a ship augers bit and heavy drill and then pounded 3/4 in galvanized pipe through it. I think the bars were 36" deep but I can tell u that it sure as heck aint going no where.

How many ties high are you going? Just 1 layer? Go with sheshovels advice or in a year or 2 they gonna be all crooked. Especially if under stress. A thin metal strap aint gonna hold it if it kicks out a bit. U gotta anchor em down and if they don't wanna pay for that then tell them u will do what they want but no promises

[Remsen1]

I was gonna say galvanized pipe too, but pro-scapes beat me to it. Is there really a wire two inches deep under the WHOLE thing?

What do you have to move those bad boys around with, a bucket loader of tractor with a boom lift would be best.