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Pro-Scapes
05-10-2005, 02:08 PM
Wow just talked to my mom. They live in the villages fl (retirement golf course town) and just asked her about her lco. The guy charges her 50 per month and does it every week. For that he keeps beds sprayed as needed, sprinkler heads in shape, mowed. Edged(corner lot about 200 ft of curb) and trimmed. Last time I was there it looked absolutly great too. Fert twwice a year also included. She said takes 3 man crew 15 min.

Man but that's only 10 to 12.50 a cut depending how many weeks!

Tharrell
05-10-2005, 02:36 PM
When I was growing up in Seminole (St. Pete) Fla, my friends worked for an LCO and they did whole blocks at a time. They would start at one end of the street and mow to the end, turn around and mow all the way back. I'll bet that LCO does something similar and I bet he does all of them.

betterlawn
05-10-2005, 03:18 PM
My parents were looking there. The yard didn't really look that small. I thought it looked like 1/3 acre at least. Its not like the residents are the little old ladies on SS, they can afford normal rates...

The place sounded kind of creepy, but my parents liked it. I guess I don't get the Florida thing... I'd vote for NC or something a little closer to home.

Ric
05-10-2005, 03:28 PM
Pro-Scapes

Most Florida cutter cheat themselves and pass the saving on to the customer. Florida has no income tax and so they know 90% of the service providers are doing an underground economy. This of course keeps the old folks retiring in Florida. BTW Florida is also number 51 in education because our older population will not vote in any tax structure to support it.

Pro-Scapes
05-10-2005, 03:36 PM
My parents were looking there. The yard didn't really look that small. I thought it looked like 1/3 acre at least. Its not like the residents are the little old ladies on SS, they can afford normal rates...

The place sounded kind of creepy, but my parents liked it. I guess I don't get the Florida thing... I'd vote for NC or something a little closer to home.

in the 10 times i have visited I have NEVER seen a homeowner doing yard work and now I know why. heck I would pay someone 50 to do my yard weekly just to save me 2 hours a shot lol. I guess if you could eliminate the income tax and drive time from job to job along with having a good system to just blast em out quick it wouldnt be bad. Each village varies in lot size. the houses range from 800 sqft villas to 6000sqft. Mom has about 3500sqft lawn. Still blows my mind why the compete with eachother (the lco's) instead of of getting together and saying hey lets not lowball so bad and all make more money.

its not creepy at all. just bunch of old farts riding golf carts all over. you gotta be 55+ to live there. Nice old town square in spanish springs with drinks and dancing and live music nightly. We always have a blast when we go.

MP350
05-10-2005, 04:33 PM
I'll tell you one worse, a mobile home community on the golf course, the local LCO are only getting $25 per month. I have been asked to bid on them, but there is no way I can get close to that price.

nelbuts
05-10-2005, 04:42 PM
Well at least he is not pruning the shrubs for that amount.

But let's look at this for a minute. You say he is getting $50 per month. Don't forget that he will only cut it about 32-34 cuts per year. Then he is paying his help about $2.50 per yard. I would not doubt that at least one is paid cash. He uses the low rate on a cheap fert. With three people working an area and if they know how to do it correctly they can do about 60 or so per day. And if they do that same amount daily then he is cranking about $1,100 per day. So he will make some money just on numbers.

We use to do some areas that were all single family homes. One area was 86 homes plus common ground etc. Cost was $36,000.00 fert was extra. Now we would run 4-5 guys start at 7am finish right around 11:30 and all streets and drives were edged each week. We used (1) JD755 60" ; (2) JDF935 60"; (2) Scag Z 52"; 5 weed eaters and 5BP blowers.

We still had enough time for the crews to crank out one or two smaller condos. We had three of these projects. So I know this guy can make some money.

Ric
05-10-2005, 04:42 PM
I'll tell you one worse, a mobile home community on the golf course, the local LCO are only getting $25 per month. I have been asked to bid on them, but there is no way I can get close to that price.


MP350

I am just west of you on the Gulf Coast. A few years ago I got a call from a mobil park $ 40,000 a year in their budget for grass cutting and trim the shrubs in the Common Ground. Of course They wanted it all edged and weedeated. I got there to see 400 trailers and 15 acres of Common ground. Need I say more.

nelbuts
05-10-2005, 04:50 PM
Ric,
You can thank American Grounds Keeper for that one. He came in here years ago and was doing all the trailer parks for $2.75 per cut that included the common ground. Then some other things happened so will not go into it here. Wife still cuts on small scale but get this his son will not talk to me. Why? He is the County Commissioner for District 2.

Richard Martin
05-10-2005, 04:55 PM
Pro-Scapes

Most Florida cutter cheat themselves and pass the saving on to the customer. Florida has no income tax and so they know 90% of the service providers are doing an underground economy. This of course keeps the old folks retiring in Florida. BTW Florida is also number 51 in education because our older population will not vote in any tax structure to support it.

Actually Florida has the right idea about taxing people. Instead of attempting to get people to report their income Florida just gets the money when people spend it. Florida is number 5 in the nation for sales tax collections with over 1 billion collected every year. Also, Utah consistantly ranks 51st in all areas of education money. The lowest ranking that Florida has is 42 in Public School Revenue Per Student. Some other rankings are actually much higher.

Re: http://www.nea.org/edstats/images/04rankings.pdf

Ric
05-10-2005, 04:57 PM
Ric,
You can thank American Grounds Keeper for that one. He came in here years ago and was doing all the trailer parks for $2.75 per cut that included the common ground. Then some other things happened so will not go into it here. Wife still cuts on small scale but get this his son will not talk to me. Why? He is the County Commissioner for District 2.


Robin

Windmill Village and they still have that account and have had for many years. The work is not worth what they pay for it. He has Bat wing Mowers for the common ground basically bush hogs them. The time I went there they wanted quality work so they said. They were not happy with his work but weren't going to pay any more. Yes he does make a margin on the crap.

nelbuts
05-10-2005, 05:11 PM
The early 90's they had all of the parks on Kings Highway, all of the parks N. Ft. Myers. They used DC only.

I was asked to bid Windmill and Maple Leaf years ago.

His wife has AG now I did not think she still did them as they were seperated or divorced years ago. She had a BF several years ago when I had the mower store. He was pretty nice and shared some interesting information none of which I will share :) but it was interesting none the less.

DennisF
05-10-2005, 05:50 PM
Here in Citrus County there are new start-ups that are cutting lawns up to 12K SF for $10 a pop. That's not a typo...$10...I still can't believe it. These guys are losing their azz and they haven't figured it out yet.

My average lawn is 12K SF and my cost to mow a lawn that size is more than $10. I'm solo, legal and I have my expenses well under control, so I know that these new guys are losing money. Even if they aren't licensed and insured they can't be making money.

I'm not complaining...just scratchin' my head trying to figure it out. These idiots will be gone by mid-summer, but until then, they are doing a lot of damage to the pricing in this area.

Ric
05-10-2005, 06:25 PM
Actually Florida has the right idea about taxing people. Instead of attempting to get people to report their income Florida just gets the money when people spend it. Florida is number 5 in the nation for sales tax collections with over 1 billion collected every year. Also, Utah consistantly ranks 51st in all areas of education money. The lowest ranking that Florida has is 42 in Public School Revenue Per Student. Some other rankings are actually much higher.

Re: http://www.nea.org/edstats/images/04rankings.pdf


Richard

I am glad you think florida is great. But last year Florida had the lowest % of students finishing high school in the nation. One Time Ft Liquordale was # 1 in the nation for school systems. They still are fairly good school system compared to the rest of Florida

Charles
05-10-2005, 06:31 PM
Stay on topic. Yall are getting away from lawncare subject matter

rodfather
05-10-2005, 06:52 PM
Stay on topic. Yall are getting away from lawncare subject matter

You're correct there Charles...and btw while we're at it, what the hell is a "yall?"

QualityLawnCare4u
05-10-2005, 06:56 PM
You're correct there Charles...and btw while we're at it, what the hell is a "yall?"

BTW Rodfather, come on down south and yall find out what yall means :D If this guy is cutting yards for 50 every month that comes out to 6.25 per cut? Wow, I thought it was bad here

rodfather
05-10-2005, 06:59 PM
LMAO...thanks Danny. Wonder what it would be like to combine some southern expressions with ebonics???

QualityLawnCare4u
05-10-2005, 07:22 PM
BTW Rodfather, come on down south and yall find out what yall means :D If this guy is cutting yards for 50 every month that comes out to 6.25 per cut? Wow, I thought it was bad here

Man, my math stinks today! That was supposed to be 12.50 per cut, I had the 25 one a month on my mind.

rodfather
05-10-2005, 07:27 PM
Man, my math stinks today! That was supposed to be 12.50 per cut, I had the 25 one a month on my mind.

I was gonna say something Danny, but then I thought that was some kind of new type of Southern math division...LOL

MP350
05-10-2005, 07:32 PM
Ric


I know what you mean, bid on a little 100 site MH park, my bid was $42,000. Winning bid was $ 18,000, guys mow it with a couple of old Murry's. Now my parents owned the park across the street with 435 sites and it took my crew 3 days to maintain it. I am still new to the mowing game and still don't see how some of those guys make any money.

Ric
05-10-2005, 10:20 PM
Ric


I know what you mean, bid on a little 100 site MH park, my bid was $42,000. Winning bid was $ 18,000, guys mow it with a couple of old Murry's. Now my parents owned the park across the street with 435 sites and it took my crew 3 days to maintain it. I am still new to the mowing game and still don't see how some of those guys make any money.


MP 350

Depends on your Business plan. High Volume and Low margin is how Wal-Mart and Home Cheapo made it. Business is Business. With the right set up and good help low ball work can be successful. Most can't make it doing cheap work. Their is a trick to it that I never wanted to find out.