Just stopped 3 dudes from lifting my equip. and breaking into my house.

[nlminc]

About 1hr ago I came home from buying that Guerrilla Maketing book that some of you guys advised on! As I go to pull into my drive way, at the begining there is this big guy standing there (look out for the other 2). My drive is 400' long , so I picked up on what was happening when the guy bolts when he see's me pull in. I rush down my drive into the woods and these other 2 guys in a 99 4x4 explorer xlt jump in and try to go around me, put I blocked them. I call the cops and the two guys screw leaving the explorere behind (Wip out my for sale sign!) They confront me as I'm on the phone with the cops then high tail it off into the woods. 4 cruisers show up, say they know of the guys. End up towing the explorer. Detective tells me that they where here to hit my house or trucks. Thank god I surprised them, if they probrbly would have hurt my dogs in the break in.

[dmk395]

I am in Mass too, and in fact just got my License to Carry. Heck if you had one i bet you may have used it.

[DublinLadd]

They wouldnt of hurt my dogs. 1-7 year old American Bulldog 1-3 year old Pitt and 5 Staffie Bulls hehe INSURACE.....

[MJ]

nlminc - I'm glad that you're ok. Good call, blocking them in.

Mick

[Randy Scott]

Good call blocking them in------------- "til they shoot you in the head over some stupid equipment. I can't say what I would have done in your situation, but it's good that nothing happened to you. In todays society of scumbags, I think I'd let the law do what they can. It isn't worth having something happen to you over this, that's what you carry insurance for.

[Mitchell]

Bad call blocking them in.. too many times things can go bad. ID the vehicle , occupants, and let them go. The cops already knew how it was. Glad it all worked out for the good!

[awm]

THERES OLD SCHOOL AND THIS NEW WAY.
You sound like old school,Im proud of ya.
Just seems to me that some things cant be
rationalised away.Got to do sometimes.
Glad you came out alright

[KirbysLawn]

Originally posted by DublinLadd
They wouldnt of hurt my dogs. 1-7 year old American Bulldog 1-3 year old Pitt and 5 Staffie Bulls hehe INSURACE.....

Maybe.......but a quick spray of hairspray to your dogs mouth and they are quiet and dead. Here's my solution :D

http://www.hecklerkoch-usa.com/Media/uspc40_lg.jpg

[bob]

Good job. Glade you had a good ending. Tell us , was the Explorer stolen or did it belong to one of the crooks?

[awm]

TELL US A LITTLE ABOUT THE HAIR SPRAY.

[Rooster]

Remember:

In the REAL America, Gun Control - Is being able to HIT your target!

[Mowin4cash]

Originally posted by Randy Scott
Good call blocking them in------------- "til they shoot you in the head over some stupid equipment. I can't say what I would have done in your situation, but it's good that nothing happened to you. In todays society of scumbags, I think I'd let the law do what they can. It isn't worth having something happen to you over this, that's what you carry insurance for.


Just my opinion, but this is what is wrong with society today, no one will stand up to criminals and what is right. If everyone would say "I'm not going to put up with this sh!t anymore", crime would go down. The cops can't defend all of us, we have to take care of our selves. Putting a .45 (a handgun to those of you in Rio Linda) to the head of these criminals would stop a lot of this crap.

[cantoo]

Right about now I would be answering questions about the three dead guys on my lawn with the 270 holes in their backs. I used to be in the business and would have no problem pulling the trigger. And served my time too.

[thelawnguy]

heres a solution: http://www.stickdeath.com/bank.htm

[Randy Scott]

Just because O.J got away with it doesn't mean you will! I can respect your guys opinion. It doesn't seem worth the risk to me though. With todays lawyers you never really know who is going to win, seems like the criminals have more rights than the honest. Just my opinion though. If you are that confident you can take three of them out before one gets you, hell, go for it. It don't matter to me. Maybe we all should draw a gun on someone when things don't look right, regardless of the situation. Sounds realistic to me. I know we all have our opinions and that is only fair.

[plow kid]

Hey,

In Ohio once anybody breaks into your house and garage they are fair game to your shotgun, as long as they are in your house/garage when you shoot them. You cant shoot someone if they stomp on your wife's daisys and you see them doing it, thats wrong.

[cos]

That's what's wrong with society. You have peta that cries the blues about other people eating hamburger, and meat products. Let's face it, it's survival of the fittest baby. We never hear them complain when you see a lion rip the heart out of a zebra.

Anybody that steps foot on the property that I have earned to keep, will feel the rath of .45 caliber slug shreding their vital organs. If these people have the balls to try and steal from a working man,then they should have the balls to dodge a couple led slugs flying their way.

Just my .02 cents.

[Esby]

A year and a half ago I came out of our local night club/resturant only to find a young punk (maybe 14) smashing in my drivers side window with a large rock. Sorry, I have to spectacular "catch the bad guy" experience, I went back into the club where a local cop was checking id's, tipped him about my poor Dakota and he arrested the boy just as he was hot wiring my baby. I just didn't want to get involved with the kid, no matter how young-you never know these days. In the end my insurance covered me completely and the juvinile found himslef in court. I guess everything worked out well for me, it could have been a lot worse had I decided to stay for 10 more minutes!

[nlminc]

Here's an Update. After I posted, an officer and 2 detectives came to my door to warn me that these guys were possibly armed. They have been tracking the Explorer for a while now. The way they put it was the girlfriend of one of the guys came down to get her explore at the police lot. She is 17, works at friendly's, was carring a wad af cash to pay for $120.00 tow. They thought it was kinda odd that she is driving a $30,000 veh. for a 17yr old working at Friendly's! They are suspects crimes involving stealing drugs and weapons. They have been in situations where people have been shot in these robberies. Of course they wanted to know if I have any firearms or possible drug dealings. I have a beer maybe once a month, never do drugs and don't have any firearms.
The police now want me to keep my house alarm on at all times, keep my cell phone with me at all times and to call them if anything unusual happens. The detective told me not to confront them because he said they will not hesitate to pull a gun.
As the detectives are leaving, they notice that I have this chainsawed carved grizzly bear (carved from a large pine tree) holding a fish in his paws with my last name engraved in it. I bought it off these guys from upstate NY, they can carve out anything with a chainsaw! lol Anyway the detective tells me that that may have been what they where looking for. He tells me that in this group of thugs are a couple of families involvedthat are fighting really bad over a chainsaw cared Indian. Now he is thinking that they were backing the explorer up to load my Grizzly into the back of it. I can't F*^&in believe what I'm hearing. As far as I'm concerned, they can have the freakin bear, just stay out of my life. For all this I have to watch my back.

Chris

[65hoss]

S&W .45 ACP can stop this crap. I never leave home without it and never enter without it either. Got an inside the belt holster for it so I can wear it working and nobody knows.

It probably save me last yr, we were working in one of the many gang related areas of memphis, and several punks started congregating very near us. I went to the truck, put my 45 on my side and lifted my shirt around it so it could be seen. I had to stand in the front yard until my guy finished. I figure they had guns too, but I didn't learn to shoot mine watching tv holding it sideways. :D It wasn't very long after that that I cancelled that contract. Wasn't worth worying over.

[sunrise]

Kirby
Is the barrol on that weapon treaded
most HK are in that cal
no noise no tell

[WatkinsLawn]

I do prison ministry where I hear all the stories and the way things REALLY happen. I have no problem with standing up for yourself and protecting your property. Just know that you are more likly to lose by fighting than just let them drive away. Think about it. You don't know if they are armed or not. Even if they are they are more likely to want to just get the hell out when you show up. But if you are confrontational or pull a weapon they are MORE LIKELY to take a shot at you. Especially if you take a shot at them. The other thing is they are anticipating someone showing up more so than you are anticipating someone being there so they already have an advantage by having a heightened since of alertness (safety is probably already off).
Just becareful you're more likely to die fighting for something that you can replace than if you just let them take it. Every now and then we hear on the news of someone catching or shooting a crook in their homes. But I hear ALL THE TIME of the crooks who are now doing time for murdering the guys that didn't succeed in their attempts to shoot the bad guys. Let them go. Your kids need YOU more than they need your lawn mowers. And that is real.
I'm glad you're OK.

[KirbysLawn]

Sunrise, yes it is. What a fine shooting gun!

Hoss, I also carry most of the time and have on several occasions carried while mowing. I've seen way too many inocent people shot, stabbed, or killed over nothing, my wife and I always carry and are trained to use. I have an inside the belt and leg holster.

[rdh]

someone robbed a neibor a few years ago were i work .
cross bowed the to pit bulls.
duck taped the owner and beat him took him to the basment door and pushed him down the steps.they took money and guns
about a week later one of employes was cutting the grass and found a 22 cal browning the employee turned it in to the cops and they said it was the neibors.

[awm]

Iadmire your work and know what you mean.
My son pretty much thinks along those lines.
Part of my religiouse belief is turn the
other cheek.Yes there is the danger of something
happening to you,if you take action.
But the truth is if you dont stop them
I believe you cntribute to what makes thieves
so bold.The police will not catch them (petty thief)
and will tell you so.Just to much of it.
I live at least 25 minutes from the law
unless they just happened to have a car in the
area.It would be hard to live with after,but its
a commitment Ive made to myself.Id rather handle it
with a ballbat.But chances are these days
its going to take the hardware,the harder the better.
Also there is something about theft that just puts
a thief at bottom of every list in my book.
Had my rathers Id rather kick his --- til his
nose bleeds but around my family I cant afford
to loose so he gets everything I can sling at him.
God rest his soul.

[GroundKprs]

For those who've never been right there, it's not as easy as in the movies. It's easy to say what you'll do with your gun or whatever, when you are confronted by the badguy, but it's a world of difference to do it. Talk to some one you know who's been in the situation, and if they are honest they will tell you it isn't an easy thing to do. If you have respect for life, you are at an extreme disadvantage if you have a tank and he has a pocket knife!

If you are going to confront the badguy over swiping your string trimmer, you better believe in your mind that this trimmer is worth killing for. Because if you don't, and the badguy's drugs are worth killing for to him at the moment, guess who's gonna be dead?

Lots of police officers, soldiers and others with the training have lost lives or been seriously injured because of this one human flaw. And lot of them who did survive still need help for the mental trauma of taking a life, even when 100% justified. In our society, there is still no real training ground for taking a life, except out on the streets where the majority of the population never treads.

[Strawbridge Lawn]

Guns are not the answer, they are a feel good solution to a much deeper problem that the gun will never fix or deter. When you shoot just hope you don't kill him or you will be cutting grass til you 95 just to pay off the lawyers from keeping you outta jail.
You did the right thing.
To much TV in this country.

[Charles]

If you had a gun and new how to shoot it then it was a good idea to block them in. But then again you were out numbered. I probably be so mad i would have done the same thing you did. In SC, you can shoot someone while they are in your home during a break in too. But outside shooting is a no no unless your life is threatened and you cant run.

[Grassman]

Amen...awm

[Jason Pallas]

I've been reading this thread over the past couple of days. Here in Detroit, if you want to own something nice, you have to practically shove it up your a** to keep it safe. Our equipment is secured with guard dogs, razor wire, steel doors and lots of concrete. In addition, everthing is locked, alarmed and boxed in. Landscaping trailers and equipment that isn't used in the winter - we flatten all the tires. Some of our commericial accounts are in the WORST areas of the City (we also have lots in very exlcusive areas too). It's not unusual to hear about somebody getting killed by a crackhead for $5 (Yes- $5!). My brother is a cop in the city and I hear it all.
My point is, in Michigan you CAN'T shoot somebody for just invading and attempting to rob your property. Your life has to be in immediate danger. If somebody robs you at gunpoint and then walks away, you CANNOT then shoot them. The risk of immediate danger has left. This is not to say you can't shoot them and pull them back in the house - and lie. This is a good law. Some of the John Wayne "I'd blast 'em one right in the head if they tried to rob me" is just plain..... well, stupid. No amount of equipment or money is worth dying for (or killing either). I've been at the wrong end of a .38 before (robbed) and I've talked to people that have had to kill other people before (cops) - neither is fun. So, before anyone thinks about "bustin' a few caps in someone's a**" for boosting their s**t, #1 Make sure your state doesn't have a similar law (I can't believe most wouldn't) #2 Don't kid yourself into thinking it's worth it to defend your property that way or that easy. Let the cops handle it - and live to go home to your wife and kids. You can always buy more equipment - you can't buy a new life. I hate the bad guys as much as the next guy, but vigilante justice is just plain dangerous and dumb.

[Edited by Eric ELM on 02-20-2001 at 08:05 PM]

[Chuck Sinclair]

All i can say is my stuff is worth more the lowlifes life i would have not one problem blowing their head off. You mess whit me or mine you pay the price i have no respect for a crooks life the more we kill the less there will be.

357 Steal jackited hollow points I shoot to KILL!

[plow kid]

Originally posted by Jason Pallas
So, before anyone thinks about "bustin' a few caps in someone's a**" for boosting their s**t, #1 Make sure your state doesn't have a similar law (I can't believe most wouldn't) #2 Don't kid yourself into thinking it's worth it to defend your property. You can always buy more equipment.

I do not shoot to kill unless someone points a gun at me in my garage, I have cameras there. All you got to do is bust a cap in there leg, 00 Buckshot:eek: works good for that, It will stop them in their tracks and it dosent mess them up too bad.[unless you aim too high]

[Edited by Eric ELM on 02-20-2001 at 08:07 PM]

[Randy Scott]

This thread just keeps getting better and better!:rolleyes:

[Eric ELM]

I realize you guys are angry. I've been burgularized before and it does make you angry, but I have better things to do that edit out swear words that are not supposed to be here in the first place.

Please help me out here.
Thanks
Eric

[lee b]

Great work, if more people would stand up like you did, it would make this country a safer place for our children. I don't consider myself a vigilante; but, if you don't stand-up for what's right, who will? There where some great reply's to this post and some sure-enough wimpy ones. Where would this country be if the colonists hadn't had the ba$!s to stand-up and fight injustice? Criminals have the upper hand because they know most people are scared to defend themselves or their property. Where did they get this idea, from people like some that replied to this thread. Yes you may get hurt or even killed defending yourself, but is it better to die like a man or run with your tail between your legs and put the responsibility for your safety on someone else. I'll get down off my high horse now, but my hat is off to you nmlinc, good job. AN ARMED SOCIETY IS A POLITE SOCIETY

[GroundKprs]

Anyone notice that the law enforcement members are staying silent? They are sitting back shaking their heads?

So many above are ready to save society with their weapons and machismo. And how many have done their part yet? Let's hear from everyone who's popped his badguys, and all the wannabes can hold their breath now.

[greenflag]

1)I'm with you Kirby .45ACP all the way!

2)Dead men do not testify,or sue you. Torso or head shots only.


3)Would someone bring a mop to clean up after these bleeding heart Liberals?



From Texas, #1 in Scumbag disposal.

[cos]

It's hard to believe that people don't condone shooting a man who is invading your own livelyhood. These type of people that robbed him would have shot him. Now what would have happened if he pulled up and they decided to walk towards him. They would have shot first. Well, the way i see it, they have no reason to be on his property after being witnessed robbing him of his worldly possesions, and would have seen that as a threat and would give anyone a reason to draw first. These scumbags will kill you if you don't have enough to satisfy them during there robbery. I say fight and fight back hard and these mongrals will think twice next time. They pray on the weak.

[Jason Pallas]

One real curious observation - most of the people who condone the "blow their heads off mentality" don't seem to be from large metropolitan areas where violence and crime are much more a fact of everyday life than in rurals/suburban areas. Liberal? No far from it. Too afraid to protect my equipment? Not at all. Do I value the life of some guy that's gonna rip me off more than I value my own equipment? Not at all - however, I value my life enough to know that risking it to defend my equipment is not worth it at all. Even more so, to kill someone over it and risk giving up my freedom for the rest of my life? C'mon, that's a no brainer.
It's not the "liberal" pansy, roll-over and turn the other cheek attitude that makes this country weak. It's the Rambo, WWF, shoot first and ask questions later attitude that only breeds a more violent USA. There's always gonna be someone just around the corner that's bigger and badder and will crumple you even faster. The "kill em all and let god sort 'em out" attitude might go over big in the burbs. Come on down to the front lines, the inner cities, with that attitude and see how fast and how far that gets you. Life is cheap there. They'd rather shoot you than look at you and they'll kill you just as soon as spit on the sidewalk. Use your brains. Sure it's justified to use deadly force to defend yourself if you feel your life/saftey is in danger. But, there's not a judge (or jury) in the world that'd aquit you for killing someone "because he was gonna take my lawnmowers".

[KirbysLawn]

I'm not saying a firearm is the total solution, and no I have not been placed in a position that required me to "fire" at someone. I was placed in a close situation about 3 years ago, we had finished playing ball at a local park and was getting in the car when a truck came and started doing doughnuts in the parking lot throwing gravel everwhere. They then proceeded to pull down to my car and started to get out, all the time running their mouth. I promply pulled out my .40 and requested them get back in and leave the area. They did, not sure what would have happened if I was not armed?

Would I regret shooting and/or killing someone invading my property or threatning me & my family? NO, absolulty not. I do value life, however if someone invades my property then evidently they don't and are willing to take a chance with theirs.

Over the years I've seen countless people die right in front of me, people who were not prepaired or equiped to defend themself. Once you've watched someone die you might think the same way. I've seen enough of the scumbags work that I would not loose sleep if I had to shoot one.

[Paradise Yard Service]

Them guys ain't dudes, they is BOTTOM FEEDERS. They wiil get whats comin.
P.Y.S.

[Strawbridge Lawn]

Dead men don't sue? WRONG! Their relatives will be after you cuz you killed their lovely boy, make no mistake.
Pointing a gun at a thief only propvokes them to shoot you more if they are armed. Were talking about our lawncare equipment versus human lives (albeit troubled ones). That's what insurance is for. Pay the deductible, and go buy new gear. If they shoot and kill you cuz you pointed a gun at them, think of your childs who will realize you are gone forever cuz you were protecting your lawn/landscape equipment.

[Charles]

They have found in the military that the guys could not shoot straight because they were shaking so much. now they have invented bullets that explode when near a target(Dont know exactly how this works) to help sove that problem.
Did anyone see that documentary where 5 or 6 fbi agents were chasing down these 2 fugitives? One of the fugitives was an experienced army ranger(vietnam vet). Anyway the ranger had a semi automatic rifle and the officers had revolvers and he went on the offensive and he killed or wounded all the fbi agents. I think later they found he had been shot 5 times but none lethal. Then a wounded fbi agent lieing on the ground shot him with a shotgun. His partner was killed sometime during the gun battle. The fbi agents were having a hard time loading and shooting their gun because they were nervous. Now this is why they are issued more firepower and automatic clip guns. During the heat of battle you never know how you will react especially when someone is shooting at you. Just ask the army guys and the FBI.

[Jason Pallas]

My point exactly!

[Greenkeepers]

OK Lets think of it this way... The kids who were robbing you are under 18, pretty good odds. You don't do anything and they shoot you and kill you and in two years they are out on the streets again. OK so your family sues them and gee they get nothing, and how is your family going to explain to your 2 year old son that daddy is gone because he was at the wrong pace "his home" at the wrong time...

I'm not saying go out and shoot everyone for the heck of it, but we need to be prepared just incase situations arise that you have no choice.. Personally I'd rather have the option to pull out my gun and shoot back instead of getting shot in the back while running away.

That is the problem with today's society, we have too many "time outs" instead of butt beatings. And kids feel that they are owed something and that they can get away with anything and nothing will happen. People need to be held responsible for their actions and punished accordingly. Crimes will go down much more if people are punished to the fullest extent instead of being slapped on the wrist..

Glad to hear that things worked out for the best here, but now you have to worry about them coming back.

I'd rather be packed in the pocket than packed in a pine box 6 feet under.....
Just my .02

[GroundKprs]

Don't get upset, at least you know how to live. Can't change the hardheads. lol?

The blowhards will always spout their threats, but when it comes down to the confrontation, most will p***/p*** their pants or wind up dead. Your advice is really good, so be pleased that you have the right idea. Gotta let the machos have their Dirty Harry - Death Wish jollies.

[cos]

Why do you guys think the second amendment was established? To protect life and property. This BS about, well, come to the city and have that attitude and see what happens is total non-sense. Go to the city with the, oh ok take all my vauables and rape my daughter while your at it mentality, I am sure won't last long either. Maybe your right, sure glad I don't live in the city and wouldn't want to either, but I will protect what is mine and what I have worked hard for anyday. Sorry it's not the Dirty Harry attitude either, its life and many here agree.

[Green Finger]

In life you have wannabees and you have the real deal.

Jason has a great point.

Before there was lawncare, marriage, college, and Jesus.

I was in a Gang. Let me tell you. It was not cool. Your mentallity is that of a terrorist. You don't fear anything. If you were robbing someone. If they looked at you wrong they got atleast pison whipped. If not shot.

I have seen first hand what guns can do. One of my boys shot 19 times, another hog tied and shot in the head, another shot in the back with a shot gun. (his head swelled up like a basket ball.) The story goes on.

One of my best homie was shot twice with hollow tips. When they shot him, he didn't even know right away. He just started throwing up green stuff followed by blood. Thick dark blood, think dark heavy blood. It wouldn't stop comming out. The only thing that saved him was he was a heavy set guy. (he lived by the grace of GOD) Now, he has a 3inch wide scare from his throat down past his navel. The doctors had to slice him open like a pig.

Question?
How many of you guys got phone calls around 3:00am because your friend or love one, got a cap busted in him. Come identify the body.

Come identify the body.

That was routine for me. You start to become numb you stay high and drunk so you don't have to deal with pain. (It's like the vietnam effect)

For all you pistol toating fellas. We rolled heavy and deep. DE, SW, Glocks 45,Tec 9, Sigs, we had it all. Can you imagine carrying a piece because you had to. We didn't carry for protection, we carried for survial.

I don't know how it is your area of the country. But here in D.C. it's rough. Like Jason said, it's the front lines.

When you encounter a thug, You must remember they have nothing to loose. They are confused, high,drunk, possessed by devils. Chances are they don't value life. So if you wanna be a Rambo. That's how they want to go. They want to be bragg about when they die.

Regular people don't want to go out like that. They aleast want to be around to see their children and grandchildren.

Don't get me wrong, my house has be broken into and I live in the subs Now. I was upset and mad. But you what, me, My wife, and child was Blessed by God not to be there.

This is not a black, white, liberal, republican thing, it's an eternity thing.

I'm for the right of having arms in your homes and defending it if it comes to that.
But you have to count the cost. Are you willing to go out like that. Costing a life.

I know this may sound like a sermon or one of those public announcements. I just wanted to share some stories of the past with you.

You guys be safe out there, Cuz I'll be praying for us all.

Peace.

[GroundKprs]

The real world.

Thank you, Green Finger. Listen to reality, guys. It's OK to be angry, but don't be stupid.

[Jason Pallas]

Green Finger - couldn't have said it better! God bless ya brother.

[turfquip]

Thank you Green Finger

[cos]

Didn't Vanilla Ice tell the same story of being in a gang or something?

I value life too. If, like you said, that this person does not value life then that makes you have more than enough reason to protect your family. I am not saying to pull your gun for some one picking your posies in your garden. If soemone is on your property taking something of value, then they must not value life. There are many people out there that will at any cost protect their family and valuables, like me.

I will not retype someone's post, but please read what lee blount posted. If more people stood up against people that value no life then this would be a safer world. These scumbags that dont care about living or dieing are going to more likely pray on the weak hearted.

[GroundKprs]

The first time Mike, a friend who was a state trooper, had to fire his gun at someone: He had chased a badguy (suspected armed robber) into a dead end street. Blocked the street with his patrol car, and got out of the car to be ready for him to return. The guy drove straight at Mike, and he emptied his service revolver at the driver's face, then dove out of his path. Was very early a.m., on a country road. Few miles away a couple of sheriff deputies apprehended the suspect, with a blown engine. Mike went to the scene to see how he missed shooting the guy. All 6 shots had gone into the grill and radiator; nothing near the driver's windshield where he had consciously aimed.

We may really, really think we are doing something right, but when the action (taking a life) is so foriegn to our past values, the subconscious won't allow the drastic change. Even a policeman trained to react could not recognize the influence of his subconscious in this instance, until after the encounter.

Many who value life, who go through this type of event, can't tell about their experience because the badguys won that round. Since the other side has a different value system, they have no problem with killing, whether to save their life or posessions, to get their next fix, or to just make a statement.

[Jason Pallas]

Yep - and then let me tell you a little story about a 2nd amendment spewing, gun-toting, micro-phalic complexed Rambo landscaper. I'll skip all the preliminary stuff and jump right to the end - ya know - the part where he BLOWS AWAY the would be intruder because he's gonna DEFEND his lawnmowers from the scumbags. Yep - stand-up and take a stand for the good ole' USA against those bad guys that are out to take our stuff and rape our daughters.
OH WHOOPS! He just shot his wife!!!! Ya Know - the one that just dropped by to bring him a sandwich because she thought she'd suprise him because he was working late fixing equipment. Explain that one to the kids - but I'm sure Rush Limbaugh and Pat Buchanon will be right there for you to help you raise your kids the way your wife would have. Don't be so trigger happy - your exhuberance is making a better point for gun control with every post.
I'd beat the crap outa anyone that tried to take my stuff - but I wouldn't use deadly force. If someone threatened me or my family - you'd bet I'd be the first to first to whip put the had cannon and fire away - but for landscaping equipment? C'mon - there's not a state in the Union that wouldn't put you away for 20 to life for killing a guy that was trying to steal your lawn equipment.
What next? Tommorow's headline: Home Depot Security Guard Hailed as Hero: Kills 2 Trying to Steal Six Bags of Dirt. Back to reality guys.

[greenflag]

It is easy to say what you would do, or should do. Everyone reacts differently in different situations. Until you have been in a situation you do not know what you will do. I have been in a very bad situation. I was an Insurance agent in a very bad part of Ft Worth Texas. The pay was good but not worth my life. I found myself with the cold steel of a gun barrel in my left ear. I was in my truck with the window down looking at some paperwork. I handed $42.00 out the window: just then the wind blew the money out of my hand. The kid went for the money I went for the 9mm between my seats. It was not there, I had taken it out to clean it on Sat. So I put the pedal to the metal. Who was God taking care of? Me? The Kid? Both? Only God Knows. The point is You don't Know what you will do. I value my property,but not as much as the safety of my family. Would I shoot someone for stealing my property? It depends on the situation. Would I shoot someone if I felt that my wife or daughter was in danger? Most definitely! I value them more than life it self. Would I risk my life to prevent them from being harmed? Yes again. I apologize for my previous post if I offended anyone. I have Very strong feelings when it comes to being a victim of any kind.

Garry

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Jason,
By the way there is a state with a law that allows the use of deadly force to protect property from theft or damage,and even criminal mischief after dark.

[lee b]

Now I know how Bill Clinton stayed in office for two terms. How do you think crime has gotten to the point it's at now? Because people have let it, and it's gonna get much worse with attitudes like these. America was built upon the blood of brave men, unafraid to defend their families and property. If this sqeamishness is what America has become, then our unselfish forefathers died in vain. Time and time again it has been proven, without doubt, that the right to carry is a detriment to crime. How many people, if armed, would still be around today? How many would-be crimes have been prevented by courageous and determined 2nd admendment believers? Ask people were guncontrol is mandated if they are safer? You may die defending yourself, but statistic's show your more likely to die NOT DEFENDING YOURSELF. Don't believe the liberal hype, these are proven facts.

[GroundKprs]

So my question is still on the table. Who has actually encountered the badguy, and blown him away??? We've had a lot of "what I'll do", but where's the beef???

Simple question: not liberal, not conservative, not Clinton, not Bush, not Dem, not Repub, not pro/anti death penalty. Who has had the encounter, and lived through it?

If you want to know the feeling, go find someone who has done it, someone who values life, and learn from him what the experience is.

[Randy Scott]

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Just trying to lighten the mood. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and should be respected by all. This is now just a pissing match! Everyone here helps each other out and only hard feelings are gonna come from this.

[Eric ELM]

I agree Randy, this has gotten way off topic and it is time to bring it to a close.