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South Florida Lawns
05-21-2005, 06:10 PM
Seems like all the new people on here as well as a few old members ask the same questions all the time. They post a list of all their equipment ( which most of it makes them look like a fly by night opperation) and they claim that they are commercial. Come on who are they trying to kid.

BCSteel
05-21-2005, 06:20 PM
Come on who are they trying to kid.

You! Did ya fall for it?

HOOLIE
05-21-2005, 06:23 PM
...it's all about the Beer Money!

rodfather
05-21-2005, 07:01 PM
Seems like all the new people on here as well as a few old members ask the same questions all the time. They post a list of all their equipment ( which most of it makes them look like a fly by night opperation) and they claim that they are commercial. Come on who are they trying to kid.

Come to NJ and you can decide for yourself what you think of my company...

tailoredlook
05-21-2005, 07:07 PM
Are you calling me not a real company. I pay my taxes. Oh wait a minute, because I don't employ 300 Mexicans and I'm not a million dollars in debt that makes me fly by night. Well you can kiss my grass pal.

pagefault
05-21-2005, 07:07 PM
I'm incorporated and insured. I guess that makes me "real".

I posted a list of the equipment I use because when I started out, I was always curious what everyone else was using. I found it interesting and kind of helpful to see what they had listed. It also helps to understand a little bit about how some people are running their businesses.

Either way, I think most people on here only have about 5 people that they actually listen to. I guess I'm not on your list. I'll live.

whiteclifflawn
05-21-2005, 07:08 PM
My company is anything but fly by night, and man if you want to compare some of the kids and idiots, to all of the guys on here I would just shut my freakin mouth. you have some inferiority issues. get off your high horse and share knowledge like the rest of us.

C&KLawnCare
05-21-2005, 07:21 PM
I dont know about anyone else but Fly by nights dont spend Thousands on equipment , Maybe we are proud of what we have accomplished .. Im proud of what i bought cause i was able to lay cash down on it , Between mowers and Trailers . Just added a 2nd trailer to the fleet and buying a newer pickup this comming week, Right now i have 5,700 tied up in just equipment , Fly by nights are the idiots running around with ZTRs in the Pickup beds because their to damned stupid to buy a trailer and put tags and insurence on it , they would rather use boards to load equipment 15 times a day . They run with no insurence , They mow in friggen gully washer rain storms and run 35 mph cutting grass ..

Texas Mowem
05-21-2005, 07:25 PM
Seems like all the new people on here as well as a few old members ask the same questions all the time. They post a list of all their equipment ( which most of it makes them look like a fly by night opperation) and they claim that they are commercial. Come on who are they trying to kid.

How many people on here actually have a REAL business?

Can you define "REAL business" :sleeping:

pagefault
05-21-2005, 07:36 PM
I'm not mowing part time while attending a tier 3 university, if that's what you mean....

BobcatZT
05-21-2005, 07:41 PM
:dizzy: :dizzy:

South Florida Lawns
05-21-2005, 08:27 PM
I was talking about all the people that post about how they think they know it all and that they are all professional just because they own a mower and cut a few lawns. It seems that a lot of the real young people 14 -16 brag about how much money and equipment they have and how they know so much. I have only had my company for about a year and I still am learning so much and for i while was bearly breaking even. So Im very sorry to make you guys mad, this is a great site with good info u just have to weed out the bs a lot of times.

gogetter
05-21-2005, 08:41 PM
What's funny is all the people that replied as if the original poster was addressing them. Hmmmmmm.......

turfmann
05-21-2005, 08:42 PM
48" walkbehind mower, $4000
Big, shiny dump truck, $40,000
Staring blankly at the swirls of plaster on your bedroom ceiling wondering how you'll make this week's payroll, priceless.

lawnman_scott
05-21-2005, 08:43 PM
I was talking about all the people that post about how they think they know it all and that they are all professional just because they own a mower and cut a few lawns. It seems that a lot of the real young people 14 -16 brag about how much money and equipment they have and how they know so much. I have only had my company for about a year and I still am learning so much and for i while was bearly breaking even. So Im very sorry to make you guys mad, this is a great site with good info u just have to weed out the bs a lot of times.Your right, but i see it more from older guys than kids, telling all they know after a year in business. I think they get "excited" by impressing a bunch of lawn guys on the internte.

South Florida Lawns
05-21-2005, 09:00 PM
I guess you guys call them scrubs as well the guys that under cut.

stuie
05-21-2005, 09:08 PM
Staring blankly at the swirls of plaster on your bedroom ceiling wondering how you'll make this week's payroll, priceless.
Ha ha Im not the only one then! :cry:

Cimarron Landscape
05-21-2005, 09:17 PM
I was talking about all the people that post about how they think they know it all and that they are all professional just because they own a mower and cut a few lawns. It seems that a lot of the real young people 14 -16 brag about how much money and equipment they have and how they know so much. I have only had my company for about a year and I still am learning so much and for i while was bearly breaking even. So Im very sorry to make you guys mad, this is a great site with good info u just have to weed out the bs a lot of times.

Did I brag?
Please excuse me in that case. Just sharin what I know...
~Brian

biglawndog
05-21-2005, 10:23 PM
48" walkbehind mower, $4000
Big, shiny dump truck, $40,000
Staring blankly at the swirls of plaster on your bedroom ceiling wondering how you'll make this week's payroll, priceless.


FUNNY!!! :laugh:

Todd's lawncare
05-21-2005, 10:29 PM
I was talking about all the people that post about how they think they know it all and that they are all professional just because they own a mower and cut a few lawns. It seems that a lot of the real young people 14 -16 brag about how much money and equipment they have and how they know so much. I have only had my company for about a year and I still am learning so much and for i while was bearly breaking even. So Im very sorry to make you guys mad, this is a great site with good info u just have to weed out the bs a lot of times.
Your breaking even in the first year ?????????? Wow your doing good any one that starts a company almost always has a loss the first year . And who cares if it don't hurt you whats the big deal what they say or do ?

tjgray
05-21-2005, 11:12 PM
Your breaking even in the first year ?????????? Wow your doing good any one that starts a company almost always has a loss the first year

I was thinking the same thing.

As for if we have a real business or not....we are only in our second year and we try :waving:

Dashunde
05-21-2005, 11:43 PM
New LCO.. Yes.
Licensed and Insured (including health care)... Yes.
Quality equipment... yes, and paid for.
Experienced... yes.
Employees... nope, dont want any.
Loaded with accounts... a few, but not loaded... yet.

Soupy
05-22-2005, 12:34 AM
Not me (but please don't tell anyone).... But I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night!

Frankly it's nun of yo business what I have :p.

dcplace2004
05-22-2005, 01:08 AM
The guy says wondering if you are going to make payroll "priceless"...is it true that so many people are breaking even?...If so, then what are people doing wrong? I suppose that people might have too many employees and not enough work, or are not charging enough...the people here in Washington don't charge crap--how are they making it?

Todd's lawncare
05-22-2005, 01:09 AM
Not me (but please don't tell anyone).... But I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night!

Frankly it's nun of yo business what I have :p.
LMAO Thats funny

Likestomow
05-22-2005, 08:31 AM
When I first read Robert T. Kiyosaki's book, "Rich Dad, Poor Dad", I was impressed with his Cashflow Quadrant. In that book he says that if you are self-employed, you simply own your own job, but to have a company you must have employees.

I always tell people in my city that there are 500 people cutting grass around here, but only a small handful that are doing it full time and depending on that income for their full living.

DennisF
05-22-2005, 08:40 AM
If you're licensed and paying taxes it's a business. The IRS says it's a business as long as it is not being operated as a hobby.

pagefault
05-22-2005, 11:09 AM
What's funny is all the people that replied as if the original poster was addressing them. Hmmmmmm.......

I'm new.

I list my equipment.

I am sure I have asked questions that have been asked before.

You're right. I'm sure he was referring to someone else...

dkeisala
05-22-2005, 12:38 PM
When I first read Robert T. Kiyosaki's book, "Rich Dad, Poor Dad", I was impressed with his Cashflow Quadrant. In that book he says that if you are self-employed, you simply own your own job, but to have a company you must have employees.

I always tell people in my city that there are 500 people cutting grass around here, but only a small handful that are doing it full time and depending on that income for their full living.
I don't see anything wrong with owning your own job, it sure beats someone else owning your job, at least you have a little more control.

I've been in this business for 10 years and I run with 1, maybe 2, employees through the season. Does that make me a company? Im not sure, maybe it's all about semantics.

I'm not out to prove anything to anybody but myself. You've got to question people that start getting offended by labels. I know what my business is all about, why would I really care what someone else thinks about it, especially sight unseen?

I used to be insecure about what I do for a living, out there mowing grass but then I realized it's way bigger than that. While we spend a large part our time cutting grass, it's actually a small part of the overall picture. There's so much more involved in landscape management than keeping a lawn cut. Some people value our skills, others shun them. The key is to focus on those people who value us as professionals and ignore those that don't.

topsites
05-22-2005, 12:52 PM
I was talking about all the people that post about how they think they know it all and that they are all professional just because they own a mower and cut a few lawns. It seems that a lot of the real young people 14 -16 brag about how much money and equipment they have and how they know so much. I have only had my company for about a year and I still am learning so much and for i while was bearly breaking even. So Im very sorry to make you guys mad, this is a great site with good info u just have to weed out the bs a lot of times.

Well if they are 14-16 years old, that just comes with the territory, they are likely excited to finally have a job and feel really special because it's their own little thing, and that really is kinda cool. Those folk I don't have a problem with, let them do their thing, let them brag, they're still young.

As for me, I work by myself and have 50+ grass accounts, so when I say I cut 10 yards/day, I am not joking because you can't cut grass 6 days/week because of rain and other work.

NEAL ANDREWS
05-22-2005, 12:53 PM
Im Not In Business Dont Claim To Be, I Have A Small Farm ,80 Ac. Large Yard And Equip. Work A Full Time Job. And Participate In This Forum. Whats It To You.

topsites
05-22-2005, 12:56 PM
New LCO.. Yes.
Licensed and Insured (including health care)... Yes.
Quality equipment... yes, and paid for.
Experienced... yes.
Employees... nope, dont want any.
Loaded with accounts... a few, but not loaded... yet.

Now see, I don't carry insurance because I'd rather take the risk.
Besides, it's not required. License and taxes is, and by the time that's all paid for, I don't got money to send to the paper-shufflers.

And no, I will never have employees, I hired the last guy this year for a trial, thought maybe I had been wrong in the past. So it is possible, maybe once/year I hire someone for a few hours, the effect of THAT should easily last me the rest of the year as a reminder to why I have no employees.

SproulsLawnCare
05-22-2005, 01:12 PM
I don't see anything wrong with owning your own job, it sure beats someone else owning your job, at least you have a little more control.How true!!



ZTR = $7,500
Tailer=$2,300

Owning your own job - PRICELESS!

And if your boss gets mad at you, you can buy her a dozen roses :o

SOMM
05-22-2005, 02:36 PM
[Rodfather, hail yeh! We're pleased that you're a true-blue "Show Me State" Missourian at heart!]

The initial litmus-test of any REAL L&LCO is threefold:
(allow us to stand corrected if anyone has better up-to-date
information on this, please by all means)

1.) When you "put all your cards on the table" and register your business entity or sole proprietorship's Name with your respective Secretary of State's office so you become a publicly-recorded entity (not to be confused with: publicly-traded, unless you need more shareholders than your wife and kids, lol) out-there for the entire general public to see and then to look you up on their Secretary of State's website.
State Registration normally costs less than $100 original filing fee, and about half that for each annual registration thereafter in our State.

2.) When you "ante-up" and pay-out for the approx.-$200 per year(give or take $50) REAL BUSINESS LICENSE (not to be confused with: CDL or drivers license) that Your Respective city, county or township requires for you to officially be a business entity in good-standing
upon their Tax Rolls, because .......

......It's always a hilariously-REAL 'bite' about 3-5 years down the road
into your business, when your REAL License Collector (same License Collector of the same municipality that you file your Local or County Income Tax Returns in) has to call you into their office for a REAL legal cease & desist -style Shut-Down of your entire business' operations until your REAL Business License is valid and up-to-date with them. Your accountibility at this point now comes complete with your obligaion to remedy all the REAL unpaid penalty & interest for all the previous years you didn't have a REAL business license while your office or 'shop's location was within their municipality - because you recorded REAL (full, part-time, or seasonal) INCOME from your self-employed escapades on your REAL municipality's Income Tax Return !!!!!!!! ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)


3.) When you stop "bluffing" yourself that in the next 10 years mandatory Business Vehicle Insurance, Workman's Comp. and/or General Liability Insurance is never going to be legislated into State or Local law and then
required of you to even qualify getting your Business License in the first place.
As astute L&LCO's we all need to operate our businesses with a "future-focus", and see what's "coming down the pike" , full speed at many of our businesses, as it already has in many U.S. communities.

In our municipality, our G/L for this year presently costs us around $120 per month (million bucks liability), our BVI costs around $200 per month, and our Workman's Comp is held by our payroll-service costing us around $80-$100
per hour to Workman's Comp Insure and fully deduct all the required city,state,fed deductions for our crews' hourly employees. These Insurance costs automatically go up for a certain timeframe for us if we've had any accidents and injuries, and consequently go down after an "accident / injury - free" timeframe (unless we become too accident / injury prone) - Thank God's Power we've never had a claim yet and thank God's Power should a claim ever need to be made that we've already included any possible increase in premiums due to this into our current pricing.

Keepin' It REAL, and passin' on ALL the REAL business costs to our REAL customers - especially the commercial / institutional customers and general contractors that would send us packing if our Insurance Company sent them ALL (simultaneously-style) a REAL letter saying our policies were cancelled due to our nonpayment of monthly premiums .......or if we were escorted off of our customers' properties by the local authorities because we had been issued a cease & desist order of business shutdown because we refused to pay for our Business Licenses !!!

-great thread, So. Fla.!!

nelbuts
05-22-2005, 04:19 PM
I can understand SouthFlorida's question. Do some searches of some threads and maybe you can understand too.

For instance on the pest forum a guy said he has been in business in FL for 15 years and got stopped for spraying round up. Why he did not know he needed a license. Give me a break! He did not care about learing or doing what is right. He would rather take the chance. I came right out and told him he was not telling the truth. You have to be a death, dumb, blind, mute to not know about that.

So I understand. First, everyone says there are no dumb questions. Well guys you know if you say you have been in business for 5 or more years then you have pretty much seen it all and can stop asking about types of oil and how to CHANGE THE FREAKIN BLADES!

meets1
05-22-2005, 06:51 PM
I agree with most of these post here. There are dumb questions being asked. How to change blades and what oil to use, as was listed, is dumb.

I consider our company a "business". I run it, I have employees work for me. Now when I am on this site, I check out a lot of threads b/f responding to anyone cuz that question being asked is stupidity! It is a waste of my time and others time to look at that thread and see how, why, when, where, should I change blades or oil. Now if it asked about regular blades, to gater blades to different angles to sharpen blades, then ok, I'll look and read a few post.

Now I am saying people with dumb questions are dumb but this site is for the professionial - at least they could read a manual!

By the way, when is the best time to change the blades?? =))

Equipguy
05-22-2005, 08:37 PM
Just look at the date most people joined, that will give you a good idea of how many people come and go on this site an in this business. The turn over is just wonderful. :waving:

meets1
05-22-2005, 11:21 PM
Just look at the date most people joined, that will give you a good idea of how many people come and go on this site an in this business. The turn over is just wonderful.

That is so true!

Todd's lawncare
05-23-2005, 03:22 AM
How true!!



ZTR = $7,500
Tailer=$2,300

Owning your own job - PRICELESS!

And if your boss gets mad at you, you can buy her a dozen roses :o
Thats funny but how many time do you gotta buy them roses . If i had to count i would be there or here for ever .

YardPro
05-23-2005, 08:24 AM
i think it's really funny to see everyone acting as if this post was about them.
getting defensive about a statement when it is not directed at you means you feel like you fall into the category that was being attacked.....

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nocutting
05-23-2005, 08:25 AM
A 20yr old kid wants to know if there are any real bizness's here?.........Dont ask me?...........I dont even have a 1000 posts yet? :cool2: