How about a peeing match forum

[lawnman_scott]

Then when a cocky storytelling kid comes on and spins complete nonsence and can back up nothing and the thread gets out of hand it can go there? How does someone like him hept the site or the industry? A new guy comes along doing everything right and thinks "what the heck am i doing wrong?"

I realize why the posts were pulled, but we just asked about things that have been posted here.

[olderthandirt]

I realize why the posts were pulled, but we just asked about things that have been posted here.
I don't understand why my post were pulled!!!! No language problem, I asked the kid a question and he gave me an answer and there both gone. The new forum would be a good idea, at least the post would stay up for awhile

[rodfather]

I realize why the posts were pulled, but we just asked about things that have been posted here.

Glad you do scott cause I don't.

This individual was called out on the carpet to substantiate himself and he couldn't. His wild claims of spending $6700 a week on just fuel for his equipment at 992 man hours comes to almost 7 bucks an hour. Gimme a friggin break already.

I was just looking for some backup from him is all. Helen Keller could see he was full of it too btw.

[DLCS]

Glad you do scott cause I don't.

This individual was called out on the carpet to substantiate himself and he couldn't. His wild claims of spending $6700 a week on just fuel for his equipment at 992 man hours comes to almost 7 bucks an hour. Gimme a friggin break already.

I was just looking for some backup from him is all. Helen Keller could see he was full of it too btw.


LMAO


You know, I don't think the guy has told the same story twice.

[Sean Adams]

Which post was pulled? I'll have to double-check cause honestly I am not aware. But I will say this - something you all need to realize and remember:

There are a lot of people on the site. Someone posts something - maybe something ridiculous or controversial. You see it, post in it (legitimately) and then an hour, 1/2 day or whole day later you see the thread is gone and you have no idea why....usually because from when you made a legitimate post to the point where it was pulled someone or several people jumped in and made the thread very difficult or nearly impossible to keep alive on the site (due to name calling, language, etc...).

See the problem is not all of the regular posts that go on here....(questions, scenarios, opinions, etc...). The problems, 9 times out of 10, are when someone new to the site or someone looking to cause a problem wants to stir the pot, pull some chains, incite some anger and they intentionally post some nonsense....they bait the vets and the regulars trying to get them to stoop to a level of name calling and "calling them out", when in reality the solution is to ignore them, let their postings fade off in to the sunset, and that would be the end of it.

Now don't get me wrong...I'm no different than anyone else. Dangle something in front of me and my first reaction is to jump. Unfortunately this is what they want. I have no problem with constructive criticism, but you guys (the serious members who make this site so great) need to remember that you are all business owners - your own bosses. You are accustomed to speaking your mind and expecting people to listen - believe me I realize that.

In a perfect world the trouble makers and intentional morons do not require their own forum in which to be placed....Instead they are ignored. Nothing irritates a trouble maker more than being ignored. When a child throws a tantrum you can give him/her what she wants (attention) or teach them a lesson (as hard as it may be sometimes to tolerate) and ignore them and show them that just because they make noise does not mean they are going to get the reaction or result they desire.

[lawnman_scott]

I just asked about things he had posted in the past. I guess he has a short memory, or maybe he stretches the truth.

[olderthandirt]

http://www.lawnsite.com/showthread.php?t=111938
Here's the thread Sean
I know how the game is played but if you allow someone to post, and the guys not a new member he gets questioned about what he says whats wrong with that? Will it or can it get heated? Yes! So the person making the post should be able to back up what he says. BTW he's a big business owner also and I'm sure he could answer the questions he was asked. I asked he answered so I'm still at a loss as to why my post was pulled. If thats considered inflammatory then what about the other post about body armor and guns? I know your forum your rules but I thought we all had to play by the same rules.

[1MajorTom]

It was me that removed the posts. 4 pages of posts calling a kid out that he doesn't have 14 trucks etc. Was anyone getting close to having him admit that he exaggerated wildly, or was it just continuing on and on and on?
There comes a time when enough is enough.
I guess Mac you didn't feel it was enough yet? When would it have been?

[Sean Adams]

Mac, Rod, etc... it was not your specific posts that were pulled. The whole section was removed - 4 pages as Jodi said. Lots of people posted. Wasn't pulled for language, etc... It was just one of those posts that had no end in site. If he would have claimed 6700 a week in fuel, everyone called him out on it, and he never responded or responded in a weak manner, it would have ended. But as you all saw he wasn't going to admit otherwise...meaning it would have went on and on and on...and usually the posts that go on and on and on get ugly before they get pretty. Instead of pulling the entire thread Jodi merely split the part where everyone clearly shows mathematically that 6700 a week is hard pill to swallow.

[olderthandirt]

I guess Mac you didn't feel it was enough yet? When would it have been?
Jodi, I guess I'm a little confused over why my post was pulled? I asked a question and the kid answered it. That was all there was to it. But if you want my opinion of when it would have been enough I'll tell you. When he answered my question, which he did.
Sorry Sean posted same time you did

[QualityLawnCare4u]

It was me that removed the posts. 4 pages of posts calling a kid out that he doesn't have 14 trucks etc. Was anyone getting close to having him admit that he exaggerated wildly, or was it just continuing on and on and on?
There comes a time when enough is enough.
I guess Mac you didn't feel it was enough yet? When would it have been?

Jodi, why arnt you out mowing instead of moderating in the middle of the day? :D Im sitting here watching our neverending monsoon that set in about 5 weeks ago. Rain,rain, go away!

[rodfather]

It was me that removed the posts. 4 pages of posts calling a kid out that he doesn't have 14 trucks etc. Was anyone getting close to having him admit that he exaggerated wildly, or was it just continuing on and on and on?
There comes a time when enough is enough.
I guess Mac you didn't feel it was enough yet? When would it have been?

I can live with that. I knew it was ridiculous. My concern/thought was how many of the younger LCO's might have believed him.

[MMLawn]

You know what Jodi and Sean maybe I was a big part of the reason the post was pulled if so my bad as I FULL Well know it is your site Sean and you have the right to do as you wish with it and I have no "real" problem with that either. Heck, I'm thankful for the site and hope to meet some of the guys one day I agree with on here (most have posted in this thread and the one that was pulled). My problem as Sean hit on, is yes I am a business owner so I do have the final say in everything about my business and I have never been afraid and never will to call a spade a spade if that offends and you wish I'll leave LS if I am a problem. But when someone makes outlandish stuff up and these true "business owners" (not the 14 year olds) read it it hurts them cause they believe it. This kid was even worse cause he boast about it in his signature line thus throwing it in everybodies face everytime he post so several of us called him on it. Nobody got ugly and heck I suggested an easy way to backup up his story, a picture. Now you are correct that he was and will never admit what we all know and that is that he is lying. So, should we have gone on, probably not. Should the thread have been edited, probably so. Were those of us that questioned him the cause? Nope, he was.

As I said I think LS is a Great Site and I speak of it to others in the business and even though I have done this a LONG Time I still learn stuff on here all the time and try to help where I can, and I'm even trying REAL hard to pay no attention to the 14-17 year old kiddies on here anymore and the handful of morons but I'll always still call a spade a spade, good or bad so if you wish me to leave LS because of that let me know.

[1MajorTom]

Mike,
No need to feel like you would have to leave just because you are a straight up kinda guy. Call them as you see them, but sometimes when a thread takes a long detour (like 4 pages long), it's time to put the roadblock up for good and just say it's time to move on.

[Sean Adams]

Mike & Rod - I not only recognize what you are saying I agree was well....The last thing I want is an educational site like this to be looked at or turn into a bad source of information. When people are intentionally stretching the truth or purposely telling people to do things a certain way when they know that it is wrong, yes, it is a problem. I would not want a member to leave becasue of a pulled thread, and like Jodi said, the posts were pulled because there genuinely was no end in site.... bottom lines is, he claimed something that seems wrong or impossible, he was called on it, and he refused to change his story....how are we or anyone going to prove otherwise? Either way you are appreciated as a member and I have no problem when people speak their minds and disagree....its just the way things are. Hopefully people will be able to sift through some of the nonsense and keep their eye on the good and useful information that this site is mostly made up of.

[daveintoledo]

wow you guys (ladies included)are really allright, i respect the way you communicate and discuss disagreements as adults, while some folks are always going to be rude or just plain idiots, my hats off to all involved in this and the mature attitude of many of the members here :cool2:

[gotgreen?]

Hey guys, I am more a reader than a writer here in Lawnsite and I have a great deal of respect for a lot of the active members here, including some replying to this thread but have to agree with Jody and Sean. Why turn this site on a pissing contest site? All of us know that some people tells stories and other tells the truth and others stretch the truth. It is our job as members to sort it out and decide witch posts are legit and educational and what is plain old B.S. and when to have some fun on a thread with out take it to far or try to make someone to admit on something that may or may not be truth. I have seen people on other sites that left this site and complain about all the pissing contest going on in here. Lets try to clean it up and act more like adults and professionals and try to help other members like me that are new to the industry, and if someone comes and post some nonsense, just ignore them instead of replying and getting down to their level and they will learn that the nonsense does not belong in here and we will make Lawnsite a better place for all of us. After all if anybody is telling the truth or not is not going to affect our own business. Lets think of Lawnsite like a basket full of apples. :waving:

[willretire@40]

I was mad when you first edit the thread. I do understand stand to a certain degree that we went off topic with it for 4 pages. One person did back him up by saying that he had 3 trucks at his home and he did indeed show 3 trucks with a pic and saw the lettering on the side of one of those. Now i dont believe that he spends 6700 a week rather maybe a month. I just want him to either back it up or say he is lying or something to that affect. Now we dont know the truth 100% we can all sit here and say he lying but who 100% for sure knows now. I know a guy that runs 19 DHL Vans and spends $6000+ a month and that was back about 3 months or so ago and gas was then roughly $1.75-$1.82. I just want to hear more on this story. If we start it in another thread will it be erased?

[gotgreen?]

Now i dont believe that he spends 6700 a week rather maybe a month. I just want him to either back it up or say he is lying or something to that affect. Now we dont know the truth 100% we can all sit here and say he lying but who 100% for sure knows now.....I just want to hear more on this story.

So who cares how much he spend on gas or equipment? and, Why do we need to hear more about it? How does it affect you or your business?

Lets just forget about it and move on.

[willretire@40]

............. edited

[rodfather]

I read ya loud and clear Sean...Jodi too.

[65hoss]

Rod is getting older though...you may want to start increasing the size of his print so he can still read it.I read ya loud and clear Sean...Jodi too.



Kids will be kids and adults should act as adults. We just don't won't people about to make life decisions about spending $1000's of dollars on equipment and quiting jobs and trying to support families based on stupid info. Maybe we need to try to instill that thought into the kids coming here. If they are making things up to look better it could cost a family lots of grief that are deciding to really get into this business.

[Sean Adams]

Hoss,

I agree with you - point well made. What you posted made me think...

Without breaking the rules of the site, I will try and explain:

There is a card game called "bull- - - -" that maybe some of you are familiar with. I don't remember all the particulars but basically it is a bluffing game...someone claims something and you have the option to decide whether they are full of it or not. If you call them on it then they have to prove it. If they can prove it you look foolish for calling them on it.

I wonder if there was a way here at lawnsite we could do something similar... without causing a catastrophe. It could possibly eliminate some of the criticism and arguing that sometimes goes on. It might make people more conscientious of what they post and it also may make people reserved in how quick they are willing to dish out criticism.

For example.... JoeLandscaper says that he makes more money mowing now than ever because he sends a crew out in front of his mowing crew to do nothing but trim. The "trimmers" move from lawn to lawn doing nothing but the trimming and eventually the mowing crew catches up and mows the lawn and blows off.....and that is all he posts.

Instead of someone jumping in saying he is wrong, it would never work, the guy is a moron, etc.... he simply posts something like >>> "DISAGREE, PROVE IT"

Then JoeLandscaper has to respond and state his position....he could say he has nothing but 1/4 acre lots in 3 neighborhoods, little drive time, and the mowing crew is one or maybe two lawns behind the trimming crew -which is a must. Therefore, everyone is more efficient and employees no longer slack or take their good old time becasue the trimmers can't be caught by the mowers and the mowers can't be more than 2 lawns behind the trimmers. He then shows that on average they are getting 6 more lawns finished in a days time versus sending out crews to do mowing, trimming, blowing as one.

Now this makes sense....the reason it is a good thing is because now someone who mows only 3/4 acre lots and bigger knows that this method works for smaller lawns in a row with little drive time and may not work for him.

If JoeLandscaper does not respond then it means he cannot justify his staement and it is pulled from the site.

If JoeLandscaper does reply and there is no proof or justification in his answer, same thing.

I don't know if this makes sense or could even work...just trying to figure out a way that we can eliminate people posting things that are untrue or dangerous to the "newbie" and at the same time eliminate arguments that go on...any suggestions or am I just rambling myself?

[olderthandirt]

Love the idea, or some variation of it, if you can make it work. But what about when someone post and then goes to work and does not check back for awhile? Would the post stay up or get pulled if there was disagrement. How about just a button or a way that that if enough members don't agree with it, it gets MOVED to another forum, the peeing match forum for example there it can continue with who ever wants to participate

[dishboy]

Hoss,

I agree with you - point well made. What you posted made me think...

Without breaking the rules of the site, I will try and explain:

There is a card game called "bull- - - -" that maybe some of you are familiar with. I don't remember all the particulars but basically it is a bluffing game...someone claims something and you have the option to decide whether they are full of it or not. If you call them on it then they have to prove it. If they can prove it you look foolish for calling them on it.

I wonder if there was a way here at lawnsite we could do something similar... without causing a catastrophe. It could possibly eliminate some of the criticism and arguing that sometimes goes on. It might make people more conscientious of what they post and it also may make people reserved in how quick they are willing to dish out criticism.

For example.... JoeLandscaper says that he makes more money mowing now than ever because he sends a crew out in front of his mowing crew to do nothing but trim. The "trimmers" move from lawn to lawn doing nothing but the trimming and eventually the mowing crew catches up and mows the lawn and blows off.....and that is all he posts.

Instead of someone jumping in saying he is wrong, it would never work, the guy is a moron, etc.... he simply posts something like >>> "DISAGREE, PROVE IT"

Then JoeLandscaper has to respond and state his position....he could say he has nothing but 1/4 acre lots in 3 neighborhoods, little drive time, and the mowing crew is one or maybe two lawns behind the trimming crew -which is a must. Therefore, everyone is more efficient and employees no longer slack or take their good old time becasue the trimmers can't be caught by the mowers and the mowers can't be more than 2 lawns behind the trimmers. He then shows that on average they are getting 6 more lawns finished in a days time versus sending out crews to do mowing, trimming, blowing as one.

Now this makes sense....the reason it is a good thing is because now someone who mows only 3/4 acre lots and bigger knows that this method works for smaller lawns in a row with little drive time and may not work for him.

If JoeLandscaper does not respond then it means he cannot justify his staement and it is pulled from the site.

If JoeLandscaper does reply and there is no proof or justification in his answer, same thing.

I don't know if this makes sense or could even work...just trying to figure out a way that we can eliminate people posting things that are untrue or dangerous to the "newbie" and at the same time eliminate arguments that go on...any suggestions or am I just rambling myself?

I can see how a no response answer could be easily called BS, but most discussions are not black and white so what happens then? Take cutting heights for instance, on this site you have a group of people who swear by cutting Bluegrass at 3.5 inches or higher yet you will be hard pressed to find any University Turf programs that recommend cutting Bluegrass any higher than three inches, so who makes the BS call on issues like this.

[Sean Adams]

dishboy - no doubt there would be some issues like you described that would pose a problem... another problem could easily be abuse of this option - people following other people they do not like and every time they post they "DISAGREE, PROVE IT"... could cause even more arguments

another problem is someone being offended by being called out...like Mac for instance...and I'm not jabbing at you Mac, I'm being serious

It would be like you posting something from years of experience and someone 3 months in the business says they disagree...then what? Do you feel you need to prove yourself? Would you prove it just to show them you aren't full of it... see, the problem would be equality...if a 10 year industry vet can call out a 16 year old beginner, then it is only fair a 16 year old beginner get to call out a 10 year vet...does the 10 year vet get mad and feel they have nothing to prove and ignore it?

I don't know....

I think that moving things around and creating a forum just for arguing and disagreeing would cause even more problems than it solves.

Bottom line this is an online forum - you never know who is posting what. The honorable, ethical, professional people have nothing to hide and post accordingly. The problem is when someone who either knows what they are talking about or has no clue as to what they are talking about decides to post garbage just to start arguments or to see if others will go along with them.

I think if something like this were to be created it would have to be for obvious and/or outlandish posts made... in other words if someone claims they have an $800,000 payroll, 20 trucks, 40 employees and cannot begin to prove it then it needs yanked... if someone says they sprayed round-up on their customers lawn but mixed it with dr. pepper and it made the grass grow twice as fast and twice as thick and weed-free, then it needs proven or it is yanked....

[leadarrows]

It could be an educational tool if handled properly. Have a Disputed Forum. Like Mac says. If a post gets disputed the disputer needs to include what and why they don't believe in the post. A mod moves the disputed post form the forum it is in into the disputed forum where it stays till some one can prove the information is accurate. In most cases only the poster would be able to prove it especially things specific to his company. But more generic information that has a definite answer could be proved by any one that has the knowledge to do so. In some cases general opinions could be...well not decided exactly more ... majoratized so to speak ( is that a word? LOL) by posting a poll. Having a process in place that allows members to deal with this themselves and get a post resolved would eliminate some of the blatant BS posting IMO.
Assuming it gets used properly for it's intended purpose. Any thing can be messed up if enough people make it their mission in life. :(

[Sean Adams]

OK, I see what you are saying Randy...

So we place a forum down with the "off topic" forum for instance. That is where all the questionable, unproven posts will go until the original poster rectifies the situation.

Thinking ahead... this very well could create more work for Jodi, myself, Mike, etc... We are not going to be able to go randomly fishing throughout the site for people who claim someone's post is untrue or blatant BS. Therefore, one thing I would insist on is the person calling out that they disagree has to "REPORT THIS POST TO A MODERATOR". If they don't then the post/thread will remain.

I need your help here...if this is going to work and be introduced as an actual option of the site, I need to find a way to explain to everyone how to use this option so there is no confusion.

[dvmcmrhp52]

[QUOTE=Sean Adams]

I think that moving things around and creating a forum just for arguing and disagreeing would cause even more problems than it solves.

Bottom line this is an online forum - you never know who is posting what. The honorable, ethical, professional people have nothing to hide and post accordingly. The problem is when someone who either knows what they are talking about or has no clue as to what they are talking about decides to post garbage just to start arguments or to see if others will go along with them.

QUOTE]


Agreed.
This is the internet.
With all of it's possibilities it will always have some flaws................Honesty and truthfulness being one.............
As for another forum..................Agreed again, it will only cause more B.S. than it will erase in my opinion.

Those that disagree with a post can state their reasons why and the poster being questioned can respond with an answer to "prove" themselves.Beyond that what exactly is being proven? A person can post supposed backup of info all day long without it being even close to the truth, after a while you can tell who knows what and who doesn't.

Simply put, buyer beware.............

[leadarrows]

"this very well could create more work for Jodi, myself, Mike, etc..."


I thought about that while I was typing in my post....I thought boy what is Sean getting his self into this time. LOL
Your going to have some that love this idea and some that hate it. I don't see how you can please everyone with this one but with any luck most of the POed ones will be the BS ones. LOL
Instead of using the report post could you add another icon up there that says dispute post? I would suggest that disputing a post automatically moves it but that would get abused I think. Hey if it took three posters to dispute it before it got moved that might let you set it up to be automatic. Then the mods wouldn't have to do anything till and if it became time to reinstate it to it's original forum. Then you and the mods wouldn't have to sort though as much. I don't have any clear cut ideas at the moment but I'll think about it and I'm sure some others would like to help...I hope some others want to help.....HELP. LOL

I can't speak for Sean but I would hope we all know this is just an idea so far and it would be nice if we all could work this out with out a big fight. Maybe we should fine tune the idea then vote on it. Just a thought.

[Sean Adams]

Dave is right.... I could say I did the old round-up/dr. pepper trick, get called on it and post 3 pictures of a beautiful green lush lawn. Would that be proof? Nah... aside from streaming video of me mixing them together, applying it and then taking pictures of that exact spot who would ever believe me? Farfetched example, I know...

I will have to run Randy's idea by Pierre and see if that is possible... I kinda like the idea of maybe 3 people needing to report it/dispute it (with a new dispute icon) and it being moved. Then it sits there until proven.

I know it would be extra work but I think I can speak for Jodi when I say that if there was a way, a calm professional way, to eliminate bickering and arguing at the site, it would be worth it. And I do agree it could be educational if done right. Let me see what I can find out.

[The Dude]

But what consitutes proven? I can create lies on top of lies and substantiate them all with more lies.

All this is going to create in my opinion, is hurt feelings and more bickering.

[DLCS]

Can I moderate the peeing match forum. Instead of being called a moderator, I could be called peeing match refferee. :p

[olderthandirt]

Heres a thought for you Sean. Since most of the arguing and disagreeing seems to run for a few pages can't you just put all threads that run over a certain # of pages in there own forum? Anyone who wants to read and participate will know where they are, including the calender girls. :D And the newer post/ educational post will be readily available for those that are looking for info. That way we can argue if we choose or ignore them, Jodi would not have to get to involved unless she wanted to and anyone that got "called out" and could not back up a story would quit posting and the thread would just die. A BS thread is hard not to respond to, its like a guy standing in front of you poking you in the chest, take the guy away and you forget about him fast. JMO

[MMLawn]

Mixed feelings here believe it or not.. :) If you do anything (which I'm not sure I would) I like the last idea Mac just posted as it might work the best. Just have a forum that questionableand/or argumentive post that aren't hostile get moved to. Not that I would ever be in one of those...;) The deal with the kid and the $6700 gas bill was so clear he was lying, but if he was smart enough, kinda the Dude said, he could have come up with more bogus numbers to "prove" his story. Even though it was dangerous to newbies in the business, I think just the fact we called him on it before it was pulled would have made any new guy that looked at it see something wasn't right.

[dvmcmrhp52]

I think just the fact we called him on it before it was pulled would have made any new guy that looked at it see something wasn't right.


This is pretty much my feelings on the subject, If enough of the so called "experienced" people call the bluff, any one with a brain should see the flawed statements for what they are.

On the other hand, continuing for 4 pages doesn't accomplish much either.
After the poster is called out on the carpet, if it is left to die it goes into the archives of history, otherwise it gets entirely too much "air time" and continues to get noticed and read. That's not something positive for bogus information.

Just a couple more cents thrown into the pot.............. :waving:

[1MajorTom]

I must be missing something here.
We want to start another forum for when we think people are lying so we can call them out on it and make them prove it?
I don't see how that would make any new person feel welcome thinking that they might have to "prove" what they said.

[rodfather]

The fact that a handful of us (Mike, Mac, Dave, Your's Truly) and others saw this from the getgo I think was enough in itself. Hell, Stevie Wonder could see some of this sh*t coming on down the road from that character ( names will NOT be mentioned). Give me a break, already.

Now, deterring it in the future I don't give much hope for. There is always gonna be wanna be's who want the limelight and applause to extend truth into pure fiction. How that is handled here on LS is left to interpretation...and dealt with I guess.

Perhaps a Panel Of Peers is needed?

[rodfather]

I don't see how that would make any new person feel welcome thinking that they might have to "prove" what they said.

point well taken jodi...but i think the main issue is here how to disfuse the outright friggin liars and stop them in their tracks, ey?

[lawnman_scott]

point well taken jodi...but i think the main issue is here how to disfuse the outright friggin liars and stop them in their tracks, ey?
I thought at the time it was rediculous what was done to the thread, but in hindsite, the liar was stopped. If he was telling the truth he would be fighting right here. So maybe This is the peeing match forum.

[leadarrows]

Not having this option were discussing hasn't stopped the BS posts. Getting everyone to ignore them.....well I'M not going to hold my breath on that one.
While I can see reasons for some of you to hate this idea...I think there are others who would really enjoy calling BSers out.
What has always surprised me is those of you who post in threads that you don't even think should exist instead of just passing them by.
Lets face it this Site is here for our information and enjoyment but it's Seans bread and butter. He needs a way to deal with situations like this. I mean it po's some when posts get pulled or others when they don't. Moving them is something we haven't tried yet. Heck I don't know the answer ....Sean doesn't seem to either it appears. But I give him credit for looking.

[1MajorTom]

point well taken jodi...but i think the main issue is here how to disfuse the outright friggin liars and stop them in their tracks, ey?
We shouldn't be trying to oust the liars, they will oust themselves with their outlandish tales. It's really pretty simple.

[Sean Adams]

Jodi,

I know what you are saying in regard to scaring people away from the site...that of course would not be the intent of what is being discussed. I may have started the idea of something that isn't possible. I am looking at it from a wide open perspective. I have to agree that it can be dangerous or at the very least unfortunate when some people get on the site and post things that are out of line, hard to prove, etc... And like Mac said, someone with experience and knowledge would have a hard time ignoring the BS (like being poked in the chest)...problem is it turns argumentative, multiple pages get piled up of people claiming "foul" and nothing gets accomplished. Maybe I am being overly optimistic but it would be nice to think of a way for the members to assist or at least partake in a "self-governing" sort of way. Something gets posted, its hard to believe, without argument people request more proof is given, the proof is either provided or it is not, the post/thread then either lives or dies.

To sum it up Jodi, I was hoping to find a way for you to spend more time in your pool :D

[sheshovel]

I never got to read the 4 pages of calling this guy out or asking him for proof,but is that not selfgoverning right there?
If jodi pulled it I am quite sure there was good reason for it.But I would say a 2 or 3rd pg warning before pulling would be in order also.The members were doing what they should have done.... culling the liers and asking for proof....sometimes that hurts but it is usually effective.By the time even a fraction of the members get a say so in the matter,it's gone 6 pgs there are so many.I think the thread did go somewhere and taught the kid a lesson.
I also feel personaly that without some argueing and debateing,there is not that much interest in the site.
How can you come to conclusions,decide if you may be wrong,gather information without some argument.It is immposible and unnatural..and boring.
I say if all of us just posted happy,posts full of exact and correct information and are sweet and nice to everybody and answer the same questions the same nice and perfect polite manner everytime,that would get old quick.It just is not natural with a site full of intelligent(I say this lightly)
competitive,business people from all areas and backgrounds.

[dvmcmrhp52]

We shouldn't be trying to oust the liars, they will oust themselves with their outlandish tales. It's really pretty simple.




This pretty well sums it up.

[dvmcmrhp52]

Jodi,
To sum it up Jodi, I was hoping to find a way for you to spend more time in your pool :D




Can you find a way for me to spend more time in the pool?
Besides, every time Jodi looks at her pool she has some guys digging up the concrete around it....................

:waving:

[65hoss]

This debate could go on and on. There is no perfect answer or way to stop all the BS.

As I see it, education is the best tool. Maybe there could be a sticky(without ability to reply) at the top of every forum. Stating something along the lines of
..."if you are thinking about spending your life savings and continuing to support your family, then DO NOT take everything at face value. Its impossible to verify and trust all opinions and statements from members. Use your intelligence before taking a life changing step."

[all ferris]

To sum it up Jodi, I was hoping to find a way for you to spend more time in your pool :D


Hmmm........I wonder if sean and jodi are neighbors :p

[Sean Adams]

Not exactly....I'd say we live about an hour from eachother is my guess.