fuel $3 / gallon in NY

[topsites]

Prices now at 65+ / barrel with less than 1.5 million barrels / day to spare for a demand of 80+ million barrels /day.

I do hate to be right in this case, we'll see 3.50 before end of september, october at the latest, maybe 4 ... nah, prolly 4 next year.

And I shouldn't say it, but it really *IS* funny how you can pump fuel anytime, anyday, so long you're willing to pay there is no shortage. In that respect, things should change before Xmas as demand finally outstrips supply... but what are they going to do ... things ought to get interesting really soon, lol

[daveintoledo]

when you have a president who is in oil.......

[arborist-28]

thank you president bush ... we couldnt have done it without you ...c

[Grassmechanic]

when you have a president who is in oil.......
Care to elaborate???

[daveintoledo]

the bush family is in oil, he has holdings in oil, high oil prices make him money very simple.... im not saying he is responsible for the prices, but he is responsible for not putting a stop to it,

remember in the 80's the government put a stop to the oil company price fixing, where as now why would he put a stop to something making him lots of money.....

[Woody82986]

Hey guys, Bush can't do a thing about it. Have you guys not noticed we aren't members of OPEC? OPEC is responsible for 65% of all oil outputs so they kid of get to control the flow of oil, which means they have a good firm grasp on pricing. How on earth is Bush going to put a stop to this mess? Is he just going to stand up and say, " No, I will not allow this..." and its just supposed to stop?

[bama26]

they can however relise some of the us national reserve oil that they keep inside that mountain to help flood the market and drive prices down instead of hording our oil for no reason

[erikdean]

The Bush family is in nothing but oil. with the price of oil going up in just the past couple of weeks good old Bush has been able to put extra tens of millions of dollars in his pocket. Just look up the Bush family holdings and you will see what I mean.

Erik

[elamey]

I'll put my 5cents in...the REAL problem with gas prices is the consolidation of the gas companies in the past few years. There used to be a market place with 100's of little oil companies "J.R. Ewing...Ewing Oil :-) " The big companies have been buying all the smaller ones and now there are only a few BIG oil companies.

MONOPOLY ANYONE???

There are so few oil companies now there is very little competition, they can create artificial shortages very easily and don't be fooled. They are working together to create these shortages "BUT THATS AGAINST THE LAW" .... get real hippie...Billionaire CEO's are above the law. They go to Augusta National, decide to create a fake shortage (EVER HEAR OF ENRON??) over a round of golf, then screw the rest of us.

Second, commodities trading. The SEC is cracking down on illegal securities trading, it's harder to manipulate stocks...so how are the big money brokers to cheat the system to make thier money?? Start manipulaing the commodities markets of course!! Buy some oil, user your billions to run it up a few dollars a barrel, sell it at a huge profit. Start selling short before you sell off your commodities, sell sell sell, drive the price back down, make a fortune covering the short contracts.

All on the back of the little guy.... :gunsfirin

[the ace]

All in favor of making Iraq a new state!

[Woody82986]

There is a reason we have a national reserve... and I don't think that high gas prices are a good reason to release some of the reserve. I think the only reason we should touch it is if something goes terribly wrong with the flow of oil, which right now isn't that large of a problem.

[topsites]

Hey guys, Bush can't do a thing about it. Have you guys not noticed we aren't members of OPEC? OPEC is responsible for 65% of all oil outputs so they kid of get to control the flow of oil, which means they have a good firm grasp on pricing. How on earth is Bush going to put a stop to this mess? Is he just going to stand up and say, " No, I will not allow this..." and its just supposed to stop?

What a joke that opec org. is... Sorry, but to increase production by 300,000 barrels a day to 'help' the problem is the exact equivalent of adding 6 OUNCES of fuel to a 20-gallon gas tank!

Opec - Oilmen Pocketing Extra Cash

[daveintoledo]

profit for oil companys are up 35 to 54 percent so he gave them BILLIONS in PERMENENT tax credits today..... so they can profit even more...

comon if you cant see it you are totally blind

[Pro-Scapes]

From what I seen this morning we are at 2.33 right now and climbing. You have to realoze it could be a lot worse. I thin austrailians are paying like 95 cents aliter or right around 3.80 a gallon.

Alaska has a huge reserve and even if we just tapped it to pull 500k barrels a day it would bring prices down considerably. Allsaid and done tho a fuel bill is a small portion of my overhead. Wish they had alternate fuel reasonably priced in larger vehicals. A hybrid full size would be awsome. Specially for you guys with tight routes close to home.

[GreenGrassEarnsCash]

went to movie last night and saw gas was 2.33 which was 4 cents less than the night before. My truck was on E so i thot i would fill up tomorrow and see if it would drop anymore. On the way home from the movie gas had shot up to 2.45 in 2 hours

[olderthandirt]

Its not how much oils available its the lack of refineries. If opec flooded the markets right now we still can't produce anymore than what the refineries are producing now. There have been no new ones built in over 20 yrs yet demand for fuel has shot way up.
Don't blame the politicians blame or oil co. Blame yourself and everyone else thats still driving as though things will eventually go back the way they were. Get use to $3.00 a gal. its here to stay.

[freddyc]

Just imagine what your children will be paying in 5-10 years??????

[Lost Pine]

OIL just hit $67 a barrel on the NY MERC......Add .50 a gallon to whatever you are paying now by the end of September.!!!! :realmad: :dizzy:

[rtr]

profit for oil companys are up 35 to 54 percent so he gave them BILLIONS in PERMENENT tax credits today..... so they can profit even more...

comon if you cant see it you are totally blind


OIL profits have never been anywhere close to that number versus intial investment. OIL companies are one of the least profitable industries. BTW where did you get those numbers? 20 points is a pretty broad range. Maybe your just being disingenuous? The ability to refine or lack therof is a major culprit in our high GAS prices. When demand goes up dramaticlly for 20 years yet we build no refineries and reduce the production capacity of the ones we have something has to give. Not to mention the carnage surrounding our OIL supplies. We could have unlimited OIL supplies but if it can't be turned into GAS fast enough then....well..... supply and demand kicks in. Really the price of gas is not that high. We have just enjoyed unusually low prices for the past 15 or so years.


"When the profits of major oil companies reached a record $53 billion in 2003 and far surpassed the results from 2002, the big percentage increases in profits helped support the impression that oil profits are excessive. Much less public attention was drawn to the fact that the $21 billion the industry earned in 2002 represented nearly a 50 percent nosedive from 2001 profits of $38 billion."

http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/1280/oilprofitsvsotherindust3rdq200.gif

http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/6325/profitsoilvssp0sv.gif


So you see it is not really BIG OIL profiteering. It is not BUSH lining his pockets. Its markets. Its supply and demand. The "little man" mostly can not understand these concepts so he often points the finger at "the man" when things do not work out for him. Thats also why the " little man" stays little.


Not to continue being a jerk but those of you blaming BUSH and BIG OIL have no idea what you are talking about. You are simply repeating the opinons of "knee-jerk" reactionaries. I am more than happy to provide you with some solid research you can look into your self if you wish. Get informed :waving:

[Lost Pine]

Gee RTR,

Give me a break !! :waving: Hello. Let me give you an example of "least profitable". I own stock in a OIL refinery company called VALERO, symbol VLO. First quarter of 2005 compared to 2004, profits were up to $950 million compared to $425 million. My stock has doubled from $45 dollars in Janurary to $94 dollars today.

I didn't graduate with a Phd in business, but I think that's called, " Profit"
I'm not blaming anyone, BUSH, futures speculators, etc, etc....That's just the way it is......

[Fvstringpicker]

Congrats Lost Pine on VLO. Super investment strategy, great company. Medium term will take it higher. All my portfolio except one is in the energy sector. Several months ago, I predicted oil to go to $70 a barrel by late this year or early next year. I am moving my prediction to $75. There appears to be major support above $62. In my view, there is no end end sight for higher prices. With China and India now in the competition, I believe we'll soon be looking at $100+ a barrel. I also believe we will soon see a feeding frenzy as the larger companies, both national and foreign gobble up the smaller companies for their reserves. Anybody who thinks China is out of the competition for these companies is, in my opinion, in for a rude awakening. My advice is invest in small but solid oil companies with large reserves. Things are just getting started.

[Kelly's Landscaping]

Gee RTR,

Give me a break !! :waving: Hello. Let me give you an example of "least profitable". I own stock in a OIL refinery company called VALERO, symbol VLO. First quarter of 2005 compared to 2004, profits were up to $950 million compared to $425 million. My stock has doubled from $45 dollars in Janurary to $94 dollars today.

I didn't graduate with a Phd in business, but I think that's called, " Profit"
I'm not blaming anyone, BUSH, futures speculators, etc, etc....That's just the way it is......

Do not know the stock you are talking of but just because the profit doubled does not mean all that much it could have went from making 6% to making 12% (just an example) so while it may have doubled the real numbers still could suck compared to other industries which is what RTR was stating. As for price on the stock I stopped playing that a few years ago after getting hurt to many times the whole thing is a joke its more a popularity contest then anything I have seen a business quarter on a stock make 17 cents a share but the street wanted 18 cents so the stock price is cut in half. When you really think about it is laughable no one makes their money off the dividends they make it off the stock price which goes up and down often for no reason. Yet a 1-cent a share shortcoming and the sky is falling. Was listening to the radio today and a question was about a search engine in china is it the next big stock and the host said google trades at 50 times earnings which is rather high that would make my lawn company worth 12.5 million LOL but this new one in china was trading at 2000 times earnings now that’s Nutts

As for the clowns that think bush is in oil that is BS bush was in oil when you become president you have to put all your assets in a blind trust so as not to have a conflict of interest you can not know what industries you are invested in for all he knows he’s in solar cars.

[rtr]

Gee RTR,

Give me a break !! :waving: Hello. Let me give you an example of "least profitable". I own stock in a OIL refinery company called VALERO, symbol VLO. First quarter of 2005 compared to 2004, profits were up to $950 million compared to $425 million. My stock has doubled from $45 dollars in Janurary to $94 dollars today.

I didn't graduate with a Phd in business, but I think that's called, " Profit"
I'm not blaming anyone, BUSH, futures speculators, etc, etc....That's just the way it is......


stock in a OIL refinery company

VALERO has nothing to do with the price of a barrel of OIL. Their prices will only go as high as the market will bear. Supply and Demand. Although prices have increased so has demand. Therefore your "windfall" is not that suprising. Since we agree none of this has anything to do with BUSH or profiteering and the data clearly shows that OIL and gas companys are among the least profitable this is a closed case?

[Woody82986]

I believe Kelly is right about Bush being in blind trust. Bush only made a little over $800,000 last year are was reported on his yearly earnings. Those records can be publicly viewed. Hell, Cheney made more money last year than Bush did. Its just like when W became governor of our state, he had to sell off his shares of the Texas Rangers baseball franchise because it would be a conflict of interests. The whole point about our high gas prices is that we really have been spoiled for the past 20 years or so with relatively low prices. We haven't built any new refineries in 20 years. We can't keep up with demand for gas... plain and simple... or were all of you asleep in econ class?

[topsites]

Its not how much oils available its the lack of refineries. If opec flooded the markets right now we still can't produce anymore than what the refineries are producing now. There have been no new ones built in over 20 yrs yet demand for fuel has shot way up.
Don't blame the politicians blame or oil co. Blame yourself and everyone else thats still driving as though things will eventually go back the way they were. Get use to $3.00 a gal. its here to stay.

I do agree, there is no apparent respect for the price of fuel, thou I will say that for my part, I took my truck's fuel mileage from 7mpg to 14mpg in the past 4 years by not only buying a better truck, but even in the newer 1986 D-250 it went from 11mpg to 14mpg over the last year. I did a LOT of work on the truck and learned to drive it right and this managed to reduce fuel consumption considerably and in the equipment as well, even the cars are now okay with a 10-15 dollar /week budget (10 bucks for BOTH) as I only drive them every once in a moon anymore (I used to drive daily, just for fun sometimes). All I do anymore is one deposit / week, groceries once every 2 weeks, stuff like that.
You CAN save fuel, lots of it.
Still the demand skyrockets, and this I find frustrating.

[Pro-Scapes]

As soccer moms continue to want large SUV's as a status symbol and automakers continue make cars and trucks that guzzle petro instead of alternate fuels we are going to see an increase in demand. I agree with building refineries to aid in prices but thats more like a band aid in my opinion. To really solve the problem we need a readily avalible power source and until technology catches up with demand (if that ever happens) we are at thier will.

[tinman]

Care to elaborate???
Yeah, "W" loves $$$$$ & the war is about oil & people need to wake the F*** up...... Need more??

[daveintoledo]

right but that doesnt mean the initial investments arent making millions, waiting for him to finish his term, they are all in oil, better wake up, condileza rice(sp) isnt her family from shell, or bp????????

[rtr]

Yeah, "W" loves $$$$$ & the war is about oil & people need to wake the F*** up...... Need more??

You want a star or something? Of course the War is about OIL. If the flow gets disturbed this country tanks. Care to imagine what happens to the rest of the world if WE go under? Forget the terror threat. Its small potatoes compared to the devestation that would occur if our oil supply was greatly reduced. Kuwait anyone? You are too blinded by your hate to see any truth. BUSH has many more options available to make tons more $$$$$$$ covertly than he does in the round about way of war profiteering. Freaking conspiracy theorists! You guys are worse than fortune tellers. :rolleyes:

You shoulda used the screen name " Scarecrow" :waving:

[DLCS]

Its not how much oils available its the lack of refineries. If opec flooded the markets right now we still can't produce anymore than what the refineries are producing now. There have been no new ones built in over 20 yrs yet demand for fuel has shot way up.
Don't blame the politicians blame or oil co. Blame yourself and everyone else thats still driving as though things will eventually go back the way they were. Get use to $3.00 a gal. its here to stay.


What makes you think its going to stop a $3.00 a gallon. The rate prices are going, there is no end.

[DLCS]

Just imagine what your children will be paying in 5-10 years??????


If gas keeps increasing at this rate the economy will be tanked in 5-10 years.

[MowingInAZ]

I'm a Republican that supports the war, and this war is not about oil. It's the preservationists that are keeping oil prices up. They're driving around in their little Hybird vehicles and protection the ALASKAN OIL RESERVE. If they weren't protecting the "environment" in Alaska, we could be producing so much oil, that prices would be back to $2.00.

Damn conservationists, they're the reason that oil prices are oil, so when you see a Hybrid car, flip 'em the bird!! The good ol' American Way. And when you see a big SUV, give 'em the thumbs up.

[Dave_B-The_Grass_Guy]

Hell yeah the war is over oil, and I'm in support of it too! Anyone read this morning's headlines?

http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/invest/extra/P126095.asp?GT1=6819

We got some of the cheapest gas in the world. How much would YOU charge to mow if gas cost you $6.00 per gallon?

I initially came here today to see if anyone was adjusting their prices to reflect the rising cost of fuel. It shot up about 40 cents here over the last month.

Part of the reason Texas, Oklahoma and Alaska stopped pumping oil was because opec droped their prices so low as to undercut us, the cost of pumping out our own oil was more than buying it from some greasy arabs. Or at least that's why they capped all those wells back in the 70's and 80's.

And now today we got those tree hugging enviromentalists saying the critter's habitats would be disturbed. When's the last time some spotted shrew or elk ever done anything for you? Besides total your car when the wandered out into traffic?

[rtr]

I'm a Republican that supports the war, and this war is not about oil. It's the preservationists that are keeping oil prices up. They're driving around in their little Hybird vehicles and protection the ALASKAN OIL RESERVE. If they weren't protecting the "environment" in Alaska, we could be producing so much oil, that prices would be back to $2.00.

Damn conservationists, they're the reason that oil prices are oil, so when you see a Hybrid car, flip 'em the bird!! The good ol' American Way. And when you see a big SUV, give 'em the thumbs up.

ANYTHING to do with the Middle East is about OIL. Period. Our involvement in Israel to the "War on Terror". All the way back to USSR in Afghan. The ME has absoultly zero value other than its OIL.The entire region could vaporize itself as far as the US is concerned if it was not for all the damn OIL. I support the war, but I have no illusions about it. Americans could not care any less about Iraqi freedom. They do care about WMD's, but there are numerous other sources of WMD's for terrorists to get their hands on other than from Saddam.The real threat form Saddam's WMDs was his unpredictability. If he can't hurt us directly there was always Saudi Arabia, Israel etc. A stop in output from Saudi would be more devasting than a nuclear attack on our soil. I am all for drilling In Alaska. But even the highest estimates of how much OIL may be there would not make a huge impact on our available domestic supply.

BTW what is it you think this war in Iraq is about? Iraqi freedom? Ya gotta know better than that. WMDs? Saddam would never have used them on us directly and as I said, there are plenty of other means for getting WMDs in Al Quada's hands than Saddam. The only realized benefit form the war on Iraq is the abilty to better secure the regions OIL. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT! OIL is the life blood of our country. Stabilizing that flow is a matter of life and death on a world wide scale. The average Joe can't grasp the intricacies of this and therefore the Gov. has to provide reasons that are grains of truth that the "average joe" can understand and "get behind".

[MowingInAZ]

I believe that we did the right thing overthrowing Hussein, you never know what he could've done to us in the long run. If we could start drilling in Alaska, than prices would drop considerably. That's the problem, I would rather have $2 gas prices if all it meant was having oil wells in alaska. Who at least agrees with me on that?

[topsites]

What makes you think its going to stop a $3.00 a gallon. The rate prices are going, there is no end.

That's my problem as well, but scarier than that is the fact that there IS *always* fuel available at every gas station in town... I suppose we're running on the edge of supply / demand (IF that is really true) but the question is, what is going to happen when supply outstrips demand??? $500 / gallon?
Simple fact is, too, I've heard all these stories about not enough refineries and all the other crap before, and that makes me wonder if it isn't all just an excuse, thou I must admit the article in National Geographic a few months ago was sobering, to be sure.

[topsites]

Hell yeah the war is over oil, and I'm in support of it too! Anyone read this morning's headlines?

http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/invest/extra/P126095.asp?GT1=6819

We got some of the cheapest gas in the world. How much would YOU charge to mow if gas cost you $6.00 per gallon?

I initially came here today to see if anyone was adjusting their prices to reflect the rising cost of fuel. It shot up about 40 cents here over the last month.

Part of the reason Texas, Oklahoma and Alaska stopped pumping oil was because opec droped their prices so low as to undercut us, the cost of pumping out our own oil was more than buying it from some greasy arabs. Or at least that's why they capped all those wells back in the 70's and 80's.

And now today we got those tree hugging enviromentalists saying the critter's habitats would be disturbed. When's the last time some spotted shrew or elk ever done anything for you? Besides total your car when the wandered out into traffic?

This is true, there are immobile derricks all over Missouri and Kansas as well... I mean, FIELDS of them. Of course, get a thousand derricks pumping what, a thousand gallons a day, what do we get? A million gallons... Hardly any effect on a consumption of 400 million gallons/day (assuming 50 gallons/barrel x 80 million barrels/day).

Far as what we're going to do when gas goes to $6/gallon? Nothing, a one-time 5-dollar increase should cap the problem for the immediate, foreseeable future at an average fuel consumption of one gallon / yard.

[Grassmechanic]

Yeah, "W" loves $$$$$ & the war is about oil & people need to wake the F*** up...... Need more??
Of course the war is about oil. But you are severely misguided if you think Bush can do anything about the price of gas. The price of gas has to do with basic economics - supply and demand. The world production is around 80 million BPD and the world's consumption is right about the same.This is simple Econ101. The unfortunate part is that a third of the worlds oil supply is in a part of the world that has been unstable for several decades. The US has always had an interest to insure the oil spigots stay flowing. Imagine what would happen if 28 million BPD were suddenly taken off the market. One weeks paycheck wouldn't even fill half your tank.

Now, back to the price of gas. As noted above, there is a supply and demand issue at work. In addition, there are several other main issues which affect the price of gas:

1) refining capacity. The US has not built a refinery for a couple of decades. This is mostly due to EPA requirements and environmentalists objections.

2) domestic production. The US increasingly is at the mercy of foriegn producers due to the fact that environmentalists have put up roadblocks to drilling in the US.

3)consumers. Yes every American is partly to blame for high prices for gas. We build our mega-houses 40 miles from our jobs, then commute daily in gas guzzling SUV's. We have become addicts to oil. If every person would cut back 10% of their use of oil, that would put about 2 million BPD back into the markets and drive the price back down.

Now, if you feel you still need to blame Bush for something, then blame him for something that he can control - the unsecured southern border which illegals cross into this country every day.

[daveintoledo]

bush could do something about the price of gas, but wont, the republicans and those who think they are republicans but really dont make enough money to be one, have got the whole country fooled

this happened in the 80's the the government put a stop to price gouging... they put a complete hault to it in one day....

sorry but bush is a crook, you can see it in his little weasle face, he is a liar and a cheat and makes me, an ex marine ashamed to be an american.... :realmad:

[kkat]

Here in upstate N.Y people are still driving like crazy, if you are doing the speed limit you are way to slow, I ask people all the time about the gas prices and yes most people ***** about it and in the mean time their big suv is sitting out in my parking lot Idleing for 1/2 an hour with the air on. go fiqure? Ford stated the other night that last month they past the all time record for sales which was way back in 1927 with the model T and do you know what model it was? the F150 pickup, I see and talk to a lot of people day in and day out and while most people are bitching about the prices, there isnt anyone willing to give up anything to help curb the problem, A used car dealer right across the street had 3 Hummers he sold last week, after only sitting on them since the beginning of the month, I kidded him about trying to sell them with the way gas was and he said he would have them sold by the end of the month, he was right, SUV's and 4X4's there is a strong market for them so if people are so concerened about gas prices why are they buying up these type of vehicles?

[Big Hoss]

an ex marine ashamed to be an american.... :realmad:
Hey Dave the border is open make a run for it . You sure you aren't a closet wolverine ? You obviously weren't in my Marine Corps , knowing we defend the rights of all and some that make me sick . As far as GW being responsible for the price give me a break . Common sense would tell you if all the tree hugging liberal eco terrorists would let the the oil companies build a few more refineries the price would drop from competition alone .
As for the promotion of the Hybrid crowd , I kinda like my 2004 Chevrolet Suburban with its 6 liter and Procharger . Bet you hybrids won't reach this kind of power for quite a few years . Heaven forbid it but why put your family in a tin can when there is a chance that they may be in an accident with a bigger vehicle . :p

Big Hoss

[daveintoledo]

Sir not only was i part of the marine corp, i spent my entire life on marine corp and navel bases, if something goes wrong under a commanders watch he is responsible, under bushes watch, all our factories have closed and moved overseas, my sister inlaws factory which makes brake calipers for the auto industry, is moving to VIET NAM for god sake...my marine corps brothers are dying everday in a war that if in afganastan would be supported, but they were sent to iraq to try and finish daddy bushes war, if gw bush had grown up on any of the military bases i did, he would have gotten his little weasel a$$ kicked everyday,...... by god he made shure the officers club in texas was free of viet kong didnt he, the coward didnt even finish his tour...now they are in iraq protecting his buddies and families oil intereest.... sir the liberals arent the enemy gw bush is, ronald reagan put a stop to this type of price gouging in the 80s, remember, he stoped it in one days time.... prices went back to normal in one day now there was a presidant rest his soul, and i am by no means a fan of republicans, but that was a man

with all due respect to you and yours..... i will not run to the border , but id like to defend it againsst the riff raff crossing it daily, since our government wont

and we are proud wolvorine fans, havent missed a home game in 10 years

[Big Hoss]

Dave,
I agree it is happening on GW watch but this did not happen over night . Jobs have been leaving since Nafta was signed , Remember that ? I was the proverbial Army Brat and at the age of 18 I enlisted in the Marine Corps (0341) . My brother-in-law is retiring this year and my best friend just retired and still lives in Havelock . As far as it being "Daddy's War" didn't "The Bear" want to go to Bagdad back then ? You see this was my era and I could not stay in the infantry due to Hillary's husbands cut backs in our military . Took two years and working two-three minimum wage jobs to finally get one that would pay the bills by itself and that was not of my doing but thanks to our prison gangs . It took the Lucasville Riot . Remember the muslims and ab's ? By the way I believe in our system so much that I have a tenative date for next month to leave my home and family and go to Iraq to do some consulting work . Why you ask because I chose a path in life and I refuse to let any distractions stop me from achieving my goals . The traits (14 , rember them) I have and acquired in the Marine Corps have been the reasons for my sucess . When I see a roadblock I either go through it or around it but never taking my eyes off my goal . What I rember most about Reagan who I voted for was the deregulation of the airline industry and the breaking of the air traffic controllers union . Yes I am the odd one , a Republican who is also a Union Member .
By the way down here it is BUCKEYE COUNTRY .

Big Hoss

[daveintoledo]

im glad you are strong in your convictions, as misguided as they are, i wish you well overseas and hope you and your family stay safe....

[Grassmechanic]

bush could do something about the price of gas, but wont, the republicans and those who think they are republicans but really dont make enough money to be one, have got the whole country fooled

this happened in the 80's the the government put a stop to price gouging... they put a complete hault to it in one day....

sorry but bush is a crook, you can see it in his little weasle face, he is a liar and a cheat and makes me, an ex marine ashamed to be an american.... :realmad:
What is he supposed to do?? Tell the oil companies that they can only charge $1 for a gallon of gas?? What will be next - tell the farmer he can only charge $1 for a gallon of milk?? Or that the lawn company can only charge $1 to mow the lawn?? No thanks, I prefer the free market system. If I don't like the price, I'll do without or cut back. And, if I really want to profit from them, I'll buy stock in their companies.

[Guthrie&Co]

Hey dave ever heard of nafta? that has alot more to do with the jobs going overseas than who is in office now. do you know who signed nafta?

[daveintoledo]

NORTH AMERICAN free trade agreement, a deal with mexico, not the rest of the world....the reason this economy is going to hell is that 51% of the american public is stupid enough to be fooled by the republican retoric.....

[ince8728]

or we could nuke the entire middle east which should of been done 15 years ago and send the oil back to 89 cents a gallon!

[the ace]

I just read that a gallon of gas in iraq is 5 cents! Like I said before, "all in favor of making irag a new state?"

[RedWingsDet]

Everyone needs to quit crying about their gas prices. Ya gas is expensive, so what, gas is always expensive. Im willing to bet that if gas was a dollar a gallon, you guys would still be complaining. Theres nothing we can do about it, execpt blow up opec, which would just cause prices to go up more, because they'd retailate. Now if you feel like your loosing money because of this, then your not charging enough money for your services, and its your own fault.

Like ive said before. If you were to compare prices from 1980 and 2005, we are paying 10 cents less than in 1980.

Sorry to be so blunt, but on all these damn sections, everyone is complaining about the gas prices.

[Guthrie&Co]

NORTH AMERICAN free trade agreement, a deal with mexico, not the rest of the world....the reason this economy is going to hell is that 51% of the american public is stupid enough to be fooled by the republican retoric.....
lmao if you say so.

[daveintoledo]

lmao if you say so.


what, you where like 16 or so..... forget it, im through discussing it, i apoligise if i offended you

good luck

[Guthrie&Co]

what, you where like 16 or so..... forget it, im through discussing it, i apoligise if i offended you

good luck
none taken. i didnt pay much attention to politics then but i do now

[Grassmechanic]

NORTH AMERICAN free trade agreement, a deal with mexico, not the rest of the world....the reason this economy is going to hell is that 51% of the american public is stupid enough to be fooled by the republican retoric.....
I personally can't stand either of the major parties, but it's the dems that have done the most damage. Both major parties are like two kids who can't get along playing in the sandbox. It's time to kick them both out. Just for memories sake, who granted China Most Favored Nation status??

[simsy71]

I found this interesting

Russia Moscow $2.10
Puerto Rico San Juan $1.74
Saudi Arabia Riyadh $0.91
Kuwait Kuwait City $0.78
Egypt Cairo $0.65
Nigeria Lagos $0.38
Venezuela Caracas $0.12

[topsites]

bush could do something about the price of gas, but wont, the republicans and those who think they are republicans but really dont make enough money to be one, have got the whole country fooled

this happened in the 80's the the government put a stop to price gouging... they put a complete hault to it in one day....

sorry but bush is a crook, you can see it in his little weasle face, he is a liar and a cheat and makes me, an ex marine ashamed to be an american.... :realmad:

You are not entirely wrong but lets remember the reason oil prices stayed the same for nearly 20 years is due to an oil embargo which is a type of contract, and this expired in the year 2000 and is likely the last but not least reason why fuel is high... Not to be blunt but I was reading that fuel, when adjusted for inflation, SHOULD be near +$3/ gallon today.

[topsites]

I personally can't stand either of the major parties, but it's the dems that have done the most damage. Both major parties are like two kids who can't get along playing in the sandbox. It's time to kick them both out. Just for memories sake, who granted China Most Favored Nation status??

Sometimes when I'm taking a dump, I think of my favorite politician.

[TWUllc]

Sometimes when I'm taking a dump, I think of my favorite politician.

Amen to that.

[RedWingsDet]

Sometimes when I'm taking a dump, I think of my favorite politician.

and we all know that would be john kerry.

[daveintoledo]

and we all know that would be john kerry.

your not even old enough to vote hahahahahaahahhaahahahahaahahahahahaahahahahahaahahahahahaahahahahhahahahhahahahahhhahahaahahaahahah ahahaahahah

[RedWingsDet]

but I am old enough to realize that bush doesnt set gas prices. OPEC does. I am not a know it all. But I do know some stuff.

Everyone says bush bought a bunch of oil a few weeks ago before prices went up. Well, good for him, hes the smart one for turning his millions into billions.

[daveintoledo]

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hes the smart one, i mean crooked one, theif, liar, cheat, weasel, used care salesmen, all around peice of (*^*^*)