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GripB
08-21-2005, 05:11 PM
What rate should I use for overseeding an established lawn? It's the Lesco 50/50 KBG-RYE mix. I havn't bought the stuff yet, so I can't check the label for the rate (I'm just trying to figure out how much to buy)
Thanks in advance :)

joshua
08-23-2005, 02:16 AM
no don't buy the 50/50 mix, its a waist of money. buy a mix of 80/20 kbg/per. rye. or just buy a straight kbg or per.rye mix. you won't have good results with the 50/50 mix.

GripB
08-23-2005, 08:59 AM
no don't buy the 50/50 mix, its a waist of money. buy a mix of 80/20 kbg/per. rye. or just buy a straight kbg or per.rye mix. you won't have good results with the 50/50 mix.
How come? Isn't there enough kbg in the 50/50 mix?

PSUturf
08-25-2005, 11:19 PM
Joshua is right. If you have a mix with more than 20-25% perennial rye the rye will out compete any other seed in the mix.

The seeding rate for new turf is : Kentucky bluegrass 2lbs / 1000 sq ft
Perennial rye 4-8 lbs / 100 sg ft
Adjust rate according to how thin the turf is.

The mayor
08-25-2005, 11:46 PM
I will have to agree on the 80/20 or 70/30 kbg rye mix. But I find that it does take more water than the homeowner is willing to do. I hear from them that they will keep up with the watering program but they never do and end up with lousy results. With a 50/50 mix they see the rye pop up within a week. Alot of homeowners want instant results with little or no effert on their part. Something to keep in mind.

timturf
08-27-2005, 10:21 PM
Joshua is right. If you have a mix with more than 20-25% perennial rye the rye will out compete any other seed in the mix.

The seeding rate for new turf is : Kentucky bluegrass 2lbs / 1000 sq ft
Perennial rye 4-8 lbs / 100 sg ft
Adjust rate according to how thin the turf is.

I'll agree with the 20-25% ratio

I would seed k bluegrass at 2-3 lbs/m and p ryegrass at5-6 lbs/m if trying to establish a new lawn

Killswitch
08-27-2005, 10:23 PM
Depending on what the existing turf is like you may just want to use Lescos Double Eagle perennial rye.

I love the stuff personally.

GripB
08-28-2005, 09:38 AM
The last time I overseeded I used Lesco Eagle Blend + Blue (70% rye & 30% blue). I'd like more of an equal mix of the two; that's why I was thinking 50/50. The turf is three years old and in good shape; a few patches from this summer stress but overall it's in good shape.
Sounds like I should just use straight blue seed, huh? Thoughts?
Thanks in advance guys!

turfsurfer
08-28-2005, 07:48 PM
I've had pretty good success with the 50/50 mix myself. Seed at 4-5 lbs per 1000 sq ft. to ensure good success. Yes, I know that is higher than the recommended rate, but then the label rate is for ideal growing conditions (wanna bet on the customer providing ideal growing conditions?).

Killswitch
08-28-2005, 09:47 PM
Not only that its my understanding that an 80% germ rate on ideal conditions is a good rate.

Grassmechanic
08-29-2005, 11:16 AM
The last time I overseeded I used Lesco Eagle Blend + Blue (70% rye & 30% blue). I'd like more of an equal mix of the two; that's why I was thinking 50/50. The turf is three years old and in good shape; a few patches from this summer stress but overall it's in good shape.
Sounds like I should just use straight blue seed, huh? Thoughts?
Thanks in advance guys!
You have to keep in mind that in a 50/50 (rye/KBG), there is much less rye than you may expect due to the size of the seeds. If memory serves me correct, rye has about 180,000 seeds/lb. and bluegrass about 1.2 million seeds/lb. However, if it was me, I'd use just bluegrass. Rye has too much susceptibility to Rust for me to consider it in a lawn.

GripB
08-31-2005, 03:15 PM
Rye has too much susceptibility to Rust for me to consider it in a lawn.
You got me thinking, especially with my current rust problem.
What if I double aerate and introduce a turf type fescue (Lesco's Team Mates). Will the fescue (after a couple of years of aerating and overseeding with it) be the dominent turf? Anything wrong in doing this?

Thanks, Greg

timturf
08-31-2005, 04:23 PM
Why do you have a rust problem?

What is your turf density?

GripB
08-31-2005, 04:35 PM
Why do you have a rust problem?

What is your turf density?
I'm assuming it's rust, I had brownish-orange powdery residue on my white sneakers and on the mower deck after cutting.

The turf for the most part (90%) is fairly thick.

timturf
08-31-2005, 04:46 PM
I'm assuming it's rust, I had brownish-orange powdery residue on my white sneakers and on the mower deck after cutting. So, why does the lawn have rust? Doesn't appear you are lossing much turf to rust!

The turf for the most part (90%) is fairly thick.

If your density is that high, why are you overseeding?

get a soil test, apply 65 to 100% of nitrogen this fall, examine your cultural pratices! Mowing frequency, hoc, watering, fert applications, type of fert, ect

GripB
09-01-2005, 10:21 AM
If your density is that high, why are you overseeding?

get a soil test, apply 65 to 100% of nitrogen this fall, examine your cultural pratices! Mowing frequency, hoc, watering, fert applications, type of fert, ect
My turf is fairly dense, I'd like to introduce the fescue as to have a mix or variety.
As far as the rust, it's only in a few spots and I've mentioned it to my fert. contractor.
I'm a homeowner just trying to get some answers & understanding, need for the RED text and punctuation :waving: