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bobbygedd
08-22-2005, 06:29 PM
front yard- 1500 sq ft, all crabgrass, to be sprayed, and removed. aerate, topdress with 2 yds of mushroom soil. seed with about 20 lbs of fescue/rye/bluegrass mix. backyard- 1500 sq ft-aerate, topdress with 2 yds mushroom soil, seed with same. both areas very easily accesible. estimate?

olderthandirt
08-22-2005, 06:59 PM
$900 for the works, 30¢ a sq. ft. should take 2 trips with a maximum of 4 hrs total materials $150 leaving you $750
$750 divided by 4 = $187.50 - 30% for taxes and Chico leaves you with $131.25 per hr net profit.

6'7 330
08-22-2005, 07:52 PM
3000 sq ft. at .40 a square k =1200
175 materials.
1050
3.5 hours labor

muddstopper
08-22-2005, 07:55 PM
13 lbs of fescue/rye/bluegrass seed per 1000 sqft. No wonder you dont have much luck planting in the summer.

bobbygedd
08-22-2005, 08:02 PM
that's putting in on heavy

Runner
08-22-2005, 08:34 PM
Yes, that IS rather heavy. Your guys prices are WAY out there compared to mine. First thing, though...what's the deal with all the mushroom soil? Why?
Myself, tp spray it off, slit seed it and put on starter fert.,....$80. per thousand. Return in 2 weeks and hit it again with fert..

olderthandirt
08-22-2005, 08:36 PM
Yes, that IS rather heavy. Your guys prices are WAY out there compared to mine. First thing, though...what's the deal with all the mushroom soil? Why?
Myself, tp spray it off, slit seed it and put on starter fert.,....$80. per thousand. Return in 2 weeks and hit it again with fert..
Lowballer :p

bobbygedd
08-22-2005, 09:01 PM
sandy soil. i like to top dress with mushroom. 8 bills was my price

muddstopper
08-22-2005, 09:49 PM
$800 isnt all that far out of line, especially if you can get it. I am curious as to the percentages of your seed blend. Rye is usually only used at about 10 to 20 percent with kbg and about the same percentage for Fescue. personally I think 20% is on the high side. Figureing 20% fescue and 20% rye would give you 60% kbg. Since kbg varies from 800,000 to 2,000,000 seeds per lb depending on cultivar, 60% of 13lbs of seed is going to be a lot of kbg seeds per sqin. 7.8lbs X 1.4 million adverage seeds per lb=10,920,000 seeds per 1000 sqft. of KBG. Rye and fescue contains about the same number of seeds per lb, 250,000, and you would have 5.2 lb of those seeds or 250000X5.2=1,300,000 seds per msqft or a total of over 12million seeds per msqft. 12.22mil/144000=85 seeds per sqin. Could be more or less depending on cultivars of seeds but this should be close enough to make you rethink your seed rates. This heavy a seed rate will cause competition between the plants for root space, moisture and nutrients and result in stressed plants that are more susceptable to disease and fungus. Might look good for a while but maybe not so good in the near future.

joshua
08-23-2005, 02:09 AM
13lbs per 1k is to heavy for any mix. with the weater in nj 3 weeks from germination theres gunna be dollar spot and rust after the first heavy rain.

bobbygedd
08-23-2005, 07:19 AM
bluegrass seed=3-5 lb per k. fescue/rye=7-10 lbs per k. your suggestions and problems, will only occur, IF EVERY SEED GERMINATES. and we know, that aint gonna happen. taking into consideration that a schmuck will get about 50% of his seed to germinate, and a pro (that's me :) ) will get about 70-75% germination, i'm right on the money. my breakdown= 1.5 gal of roundup-$3. 4 yds soil-$100. seed-$50. starter fert-$6. 1/2 day daily operating cost-$27.50. 4 hrs labor for chico including wc/taxes/payroll service fees-$60. total expenses=$246.50. take the $800-$246.50=$553.50 now, i'll easily knock off two jobs like this in 8 hrs, making my pay, for the day, $1107. not bad for a midget from new jersey who drinks too much beer, lifts weights, and talks entirely too much trash

muddstopper
08-23-2005, 06:31 PM
Are you talking 75% of the total seed rate or 75% of PLS.

RedWingsDet
08-23-2005, 08:06 PM
Its only 3k sq feet. Why not just sod it.

Charge $3000 and it shouldnt take your more than 8 hours, with 3 people.

Materials:
Sod: $360
Sod Cutter: $100
4 yards top soil: $60
2 employees at $10 an hour: $160
dump fee: $15

and you'll make like 288 an hour bobby, way over your $100 an hour while cutting.

I would try to sell them on sodding it, they get instant results, and doesnt cost a fourtune.

olderthandirt
08-23-2005, 08:55 PM
=$553.50 now, i'll easily knock off two jobs like this in 8 hrs, making my pay, for the day,
Ok I missed it by $28.50 for the job not knowing EXACTLY your operating cost I must say not to bad on my part!
Great minds do think alike payup payup

muddstopper
08-23-2005, 09:01 PM
Premier, dont worry about Bobby, didnt you read his post? He's a pro, I guess thats why he's asking for advise here. All Pro's ask strangers for advise.

bobbygedd
08-23-2005, 09:30 PM
Premier, dont worry about Bobby, didnt you read his post? He's a pro, I guess thats why he's asking for advise here. All Pro's ask strangers for advise.
i'm making conversation, i don't ask for advice here. if i want real advice, i ask a few members in private. most of you are FAILING, i don't take advice from people who have failed/or are failing.

Turfdude
08-24-2005, 10:08 PM
not bad for a midget from new jersey who drinks too much beer, lifts weights, and talks entirely too much trash


Now this is the firest time the 2 of us can agree on something 100%. I think even Dusty concurs on this one!!

Gilla Gorilla
08-24-2005, 10:29 PM
Hey Bobby

When you say remove, I'm just curious which way you are going to do that part of the job.

bobbygedd
08-24-2005, 10:30 PM
Hey Bobby

When you say remove, I'm just curious which way you are going to do that part of the job.
with a power rake

DUSTYCEDAR
08-25-2005, 10:09 PM
cheers
!!!!

crzymow
08-29-2005, 11:31 PM
13 lbs per 1000????? that sounds like a whole lot of seed to me. I deal with a seed company direct, and the say 5-7 pounds for new seeding and 2-4 for overseeding. gonna smother itself out before u know it. Id be looking for a new seed to use if u only get 75%germination.

muddstopper
08-30-2005, 06:54 PM
13 lbs per 1000????? that sounds like a whole lot of seed to me. I deal with a seed company direct, and the say 5-7 pounds for new seeding and 2-4 for overseeding. gonna smother itself out before u know it. Id be looking for a new seed to use if u only get 75%germination.


Bobby is putting the full rate of KBG seed and the full rate of Fescue seed per 1000 as if it was a new lawn install. Wonder which grass will dominate? If he is only getting 75% germination he should know by now he is doing something wrong. He is claiming 75% germination, which is not all that great, but if he does get 75% germination he will lose this lawn next spring when the fungus starts. Of course, he is licensed to do chemical apps, so maybe he is just looking to the money he will make on this lawn in the future. You know the old saying, if you cant find work, make some.

bobbygedd
08-30-2005, 07:58 PM
Bobby is putting the full rate of KBG seed and the full rate of Fescue seed per 1000 as if it was a new lawn install. Wonder which grass will dominate? If he is only getting 75% germination he should know by now he is doing something wrong. He is claiming 75% germination, which is not all that great, but if he does get 75% germination he will lose this lawn next spring when the fungus starts. Of course, he is licensed to do chemical apps, so maybe he is just looking to the money he will make on this lawn in the future. You know the old saying, if you cant find work, make some.
hey, ummm, sh!t for brains........ IT IS A NEW LAWN INSTALL!!! do you read, or just make dumb comments?

muddstopper
08-30-2005, 08:54 PM
Yea I read your first post. You are installing a new lawn and using enough bluegrass seed for good establishment for one lawn and enough fescue rye seed for good establishment for one lawn but together you are using enough seed for two lawns on one lawn. Now you need to go read your seed lable and see what the recommended rate for new lawns for the seed blend is or quit showing your ignorance.

bobbygedd
08-30-2005, 09:39 PM
Yea I read your first post. You are installing a new lawn and using enough bluegrass seed for good establishment for one lawn and enough fescue rye seed for good establishment for one lawn but together you are using enough seed for two lawns on one lawn. Now you need to go read your seed lable and see what the recommended rate for new lawns for the seed blend is or quit showing your ignorance.
the results are what matter. i have lawns that i've renovated in this fashion 4-5 yrs ago, and after only the second season, there was hardly even any reason to use any type of herbicide annually, and fungus was never a problem, not even minor crap like dollar spot, and these lawns are in full sun, and never even need overseeding, and, THEY HOLD UP through the hottest summers, hold thier color, and are practically maint free, chemical wise. so, every problem that u suggested, never happened. text book procedures, are for people that don't have hands on experience. you sir, stop showing YOUR ignorance, and remember, you are talking to a professional, at the top of his game, not, some little boy who is 19 and a half, and been in business 8 yrs. good day

crzymow
08-30-2005, 10:20 PM
even when people hydroseed they dont use that rate, and i know they use a higher rate hydroseeding. Again, if u are only getting 75% germination something is wrong with the seed u are using. But you arent doin it for me, so go at it.

bobbygedd
08-30-2005, 10:28 PM
even when people hydroseed they dont use that rate, and i know they use a higher rate hydroseeding. Again, if u are only getting 75% germination something is wrong with the seed u are using. But you arent doin it for me, so go at it.
there is nothing wrong with the seed, or the rate. factors to consider are- client neglect (not watering, not watering properly, etc). heavy downpours, birds, poor weather conditions. enough of this non sense. DO NOT, tell me what i know.

muddstopper
08-30-2005, 11:16 PM
Something I said must have impressed you. I went from a sh!t for brains to a SIR and yes i am your senior. I will agree about the hands on experience. I plant tons of seed each year and I dont use the text book rates either. In fact, I dont use half the text book rates. Hell, I have gotten great stands of grass with only 25 lbs of fescue seed per acre. Maybe if you need to use 26 lbs of seed to cover 2000 sqft, a little more experience is needed in your corner.

crzymow
08-31-2005, 04:55 AM
the problem is you are like most customers, you want an instant lawn, so u plant at such a heavy rate. Sooner rather then later u will have to thatch that lawn you put in. but then again more money for you huh?