Remind me to tell you my story

[Twotoros]

I have stayed away from LS for a few years now. I had my reasons. I came back to look at how you are surviving gas prices. When I have time I will tell you how Bush and his trickle up economy and a swarm of lowballers have reduced me from grossing 1500 a week to 400 a week.

Oh wait...I just told the whole story.

(optimists need not reply, seriously!!!)

[RedWingsDet]

ya its all Bushs fault, he makes the gas prices higher.

Man have you ever gone to school, ever heard of something called OPEC. Go to canada or france man, if you dont like your country, get the F out. Wether you like the presidents actions or not, you should still stand behind him. People like you is what makes the "other guys" win. All you guys just expect to sit around a camp fire and sing peace songs is going to make the world a better place.

[Twotoros]

ya its all Bushs fault, he makes the gas prices higher.

Man have you ever gone to school, ever heard of something called OPEC. Go to canada or france man, if you dont like your country, get the F out. Wether you like the presidents actions or not, you should still stand behind him. People like you is what makes the "other guys" win. All you guys just expect to sit around a camp fire and sing peace songs is going to make the world a better place.
Heard the same tripe from you people three years ago. I have tried every form of advertising to get my business back. And as far as OPEC goes open your eyes you sheep. Big oil is all in bed together, from the Saudis to Chevron to Richard "DICK" Cheney. You are wasting your tying skills with replies like that so keep moving!!!

[CuttingCrew]

From the comment in your signature line it would seem your problem started before 2002. Based on the time it takes for a presidents actions to drastically affect the economy, your problem started squarely in the Clinton administration.

Just because you a liberal doesn't give you the right to cast your blame on the conservative president.

[daveintoledo]

50 pecent of the country has been take in in by this used car salesmen.....you are wasting your breath trying to get them to understand..... bush has gotten millions from his oil holding in the last 4 years, he has people fooled into thinking they are rebublicans by using religion as a tool, when they will never really make enough money to be one....he did the same with the black vote.....


another misconception, is that it takes a whole administration for the effect to happen, bull crap, this county finally had a deficit of zero,,,,, now where in debt more then ever

have to hand it to him he really sold people on this crap, make the wealthy richer and the money will trickle down to the small business owner, no they buy yachts and planes with the money

and as far as children lecturing on economics and politics, they have never even voted yet...all they know is listening to mommy and daddy talk about how great bush is , so the regurgitate the words

ask me to leave my country and ill kick your a$$, not that far of a drive, i spent 6 years in the marine corps defending this country, wish i could defend it from the Republican assignation of this land....

[Mancinioldhorse]

Hurricane katrina was the presidents fault too....Geeze...Yeah it's everyone elses fault your business is in the tank. Just by your attitude even a blind man could see you don't have what it takes for this business.

If you don't have the will, you won't find a way. It's obvious you don't have the will to succeed in this business...but you have the will to pass blame and push your political views on others.

Oh and by the way, it says on the bottom of your post that you quit lawnsite in 02....so why are your here?

P.S. You fanatical liberals love to place blame, but you have no answers....only obstructions.

[daveintoledo]

in the future ill try and keep my political views to myself and focus on lawn care......

[SproulsMowingService]

he has people fooled into thinking they are rebublicans by using religion as a tool, when they will never really make enough money to be one....he did the same with the black vote.....
I guess Bill Clinton was just trying to get the young interns votes. At least Bush has a little religion.
another misconception, is that it takes a whole administration for the effect to happen, bull crap, this county finally had a deficit of zero,,,,, now where in debt more then ever
Of course we had a zero deficit before Bush was elected. Our president Hillary had our military decreased to nearly nothing. No military - No bills - No protection against terrorist and other countries.
have to hand it to him he really sold people on this crap, make the wealthy richer and the money will trickle down to the small business owner, no they buy yachts and planes with the money
Sure they buy yachts and planes, wouldn't you if you had the money. Besides, I make jets engines when I'm not mowing - so let them buy all the planes they want. It helps my pay check!

[daveintoledo]

poor guy just got a little on the side, its not like he lied about starting a war or anything......i wonder who cuts his grass???? bet he has a nice lawn

[Howard Roark]

in the future ill try and keep my political views to myself and focus on lawn care......


I'm with ya Dave. It's usually useless to make the blind see, even with printed facts in front of their faces. :mad:

[Envy Lawn Service]

TwoToros,

Have you ever taken a second to just honestly ask yourselves where all your problems with scrubs originated and why it continues to escalate???

If not or if you have not gotten a clear mental picture of the big problem here, then take just a minute to stop and ask every scrub you see tomorrow "what did you do for a living before you decided to try mowing/landscaping?"

You'll get a pretty clear picture pretty fast and you'll also realize the tie-in factor that has on increasing gas prices as well. Wake up!

Blame Bush if you want to. I really don't care either way there. As a supporter, I can also point a few fingers at him as well. But I do still believe he was the better choice than the alternative BOTH times. So anyways, if you are going to start placing blame, you better get your fingers ready for some serious finger pointing, because there are truely literally millions of people to blame.

[MMLawn]

That's funny twotoros cause I am having my best year ever........heck I clear more than $1500 a DAY............so if Bush is the reason for the economy as you think then I say VIA LA BUSH!!!!!!!!!! and I'm a Dem!!!!!

[mrusk]

The price of oil has nothing to do with Bush. The only control OPEC has on the price is the supply. If they increase the supply the price goes down.

OIL PRICES are based on the world market. Their is no way our Pres could control the prices.

Matt

[daveintoledo]

The price of oil has nothing to do with Bush. The only control OPEC has on the price is the supply. If they increase the supply the price goes down.

OIL PRICES are based on the world market. Their is no way our Pres could control the prices.

Matt


brainwashed (on the news today..bush decides to tap into oil reserves due to hurricain.....) wrong (they failed to mention opec)


wonder who cuts his baby brothers grass in florida, bet he has a nice lawn too

[Twotoros]

From the comment in your signature line it would seem your problem started before 2002. Based on the time it takes for a presidents actions to drastically affect the economy, your problem started squarely in the Clinton administration.

Just because you a liberal doesn't give you the right to cast your blame on the conservative president.
If you ain't with Bush then yor're a lib, huh? Heard that before too. I consider myself a moderate actually. A dying species at that too!!!

[gramps]

That's a good Lib. make all decisions from what the ""News" said. I'm having a real good year. Hope Hilliary runs.

[olderthandirt]

I have stayed away from LS for a few years now. I had my reasons. I came back to look at how you are surviving gas prices. When I have time I will tell you how Bush and his trickle up economy and a swarm of lowballers have reduced me from grossing 1500 a week to 400 a week.

Oh wait...I just told the whole story.

(optimists need not reply, seriously!!!)

Just could'nt stay away :dizzy: Anyone posting is still in biz. gas prices have not affected much as of yet BUT the time is coming sooner than most relize.
It will be interesting next yr to see how many can survive when all the easy accounts are not available because the extra money for the "lawn boy" is now being used for gas to get to work.

[daveintoledo]

Just could'nt stay away :dizzy: Anyone posting is still in biz. gas prices have not affected much as of yet BUT the time is coming sooner than most relize.
It will be interesting next yr to see how many can survive when all the easy accounts are not available because the extra money for the "lawn boy" is now being used for gas to get to work.

its going to get tougher isnt it.... going to need better accounts to survive?

[Twotoros]

That's a good Lib. make all decisions from what the ""News" said. I'm having a real good year. Hope Hilliary runs.

Actually I voted Libertarian which is communism to you neocons.

I put a 1500 dollar ad in the local business newspaper. A lot in my income level. I had zero calls from it this season. Zero! Actually one call from the yellow pages trying to sell an add with them. At least 150 guys out mowing in a county of 250k. Low wages and the spanish language prevails. (Bush has nothing to do with illegals does he?) No not all Bush's fault. I'll get back to you when the powers that be have destroyed the entire middle class. BTW when I'm done in the ten hours a week it takes me to mow I help a friend in the business with his lawns for 10 bucks an hour. He had to take a 11 dollar an hour job to make ends meet. He has 15 lawns left like I do.
Another friend in the biz has went from 150 lawns in 2000 to 60 now. He has an add in the yellow pages. Us old timers refuse to lower prices so we lose accounts.
I have two brand new two stroke Toros in the garage in the crates. Make a fair offer!!!
Just wanted to let you know how I am doing and show you your future if you don't live in upscale communities!

BTW, it is not the price of gas that kills me as much as the rising prices in everything else. If I was to try and raise my prices I know what would happen.

[daveintoledo]

there has got to be something you guys can do, not that i have the answer, but there is strenght in numbers....i hope somehow things turn around for you.....

there will always be cheaper cutters and we do have to change and adapt with the times to get along, look at the rolling stones or aerosmith, they had to change there sound and more to stay alive in the 80's, there has to be a way you can change how you are doing things to succeed...

[MMLawn]

McDonalds is hiring every day then...........

[SproulsMowingService]

I wouldn't get too worried about the price of gas effecting the amount of people who are willing to pay for lawn service. People go around wining about the price of gas, but I still see all of these people driving around in big suburbans, huge shiny pick-up trucks with the fancy rims and big tires. Few of these trucks have even seen a load in the back other than groceries nor have they been hooked up to anything other than a boat or trailer hauling motor cycles or quads. There is a huge amount of these vehicles being driven by young adults or teenagers, who's parents likely paid for the vehicle and insurance.
If all of these people are willing to spend all of that extra cash to pay for their fancy rides, they will be willing to pay for lawn care. Lawn care might be a luxury item, but it is obvious that most are willing to pay for the luxury items! After all, the reason the price of fuel if up is because of the demand. If they couldn't sell any of it, other than that used for absolutely necessary transportation. The price would drop so entice more sales.

[mountain man]

You put an ad in the paper and then wait for the calls to start coming in? Marketing is not a one time thing it is an all the time thing. The feel sorry for me attitude is for the birds. The business is there at the right price you just have to go shake the trees. This attitude of too much competition, gas is too high, too many illegals, blah blah blah is nothing but excuses. The baby boomers are getting older by the day , new construction is going up all over the country, the landscape industry is growing. I could go on and on. Bottom line - Quit making excuses and go out and seize the opportunity!

[LawnBrother]

I just want to say that if gas prices are affecting anyone's customers' ability to afford a lawn service, find better accounts now. Ghetto lawns aren't where it's at anyway. For finacially responsible people, $200-$400 a month ain't jack to spend on lawn service. They spend that going to dinner. If you target the right customers, gas prices should never be a problem.....
Also, in twotoro's defense, every market is different. Being in Cincinnati, I can't possibly know what the situation is in Yakima. No one can, unless you work there. In order to be successful in a saturated market, adapt and overcome. If that's not possible, move out. I am willing to bet that all these lowballers and you-know-what's do not have the licensing or ability to move into other areas of the industry. These are the accounts to be targeting. Commercial, applications, and larger/unique properties that require special knowledge and equipment to manage.
Good luck.

[ajlandscaping]

have to hand it to him he really sold people on this crap, make the wealthy richer and the money will trickle down to the small business owner, no they buy yachts and planes with the money

they may go buy yachts with the money they got but the money still goes somewhere after that it doesn't just end at the place they spent it at it will trickle down one way or another.

[ajlandscaping]

After all, the reason the price of fuel if up is because of the demand. If they couldn't sell any of it, other than that used for absolutely necessary transportation. The price would drop so entice more sales.

its not all demand yes demand does make prices go up to a point but it is also the capacity of all the refineries shipping out gas for you and me. the last report i heard said refineries were working at about 90-95% capacity. by working at that high of a percantage there is no room for error if one refinery gets shut down even temporarily prices of fuel will go up everywhere. thats why they need to build more so they can lower that capacity percantage and also lower gas prices for us all. the US hasn't built any new refineries in about 10-15 years i think and if they don't build more and with demand rising you get the point. and if other countries start demanding more fuel then we do are prices will go up because the other county will try to get more of the oil then we do.

[Kelly's Landscaping]

[QUOTE=daveintoledo] he has people fooled into thinking they are rebublicans by using religion as a tool, when they will never really make enough money to be one....he did the same with the black vote.....



QUOTE]

You guys lost you are going to lose again and again and the reason is simple and its something your side is just to stupid to ever understand. We do not want people telling us how to live our lives or telling us they know best we do not want your side cheating by using judges to write laws you would never get passed.

But the real reason the one that’s write in front of your face which your wrote in these epic lines above is this. You say we will never make enough money to be republicans. It just never dawns on you that people want to move up in class and wealth we want to better our selves not hover at some level that your side claims we are suppose to be at. I do not claim I am a republican and vote that way because I am rich I vote that way because I want to and will become rich!! In other words Americans vote what they want to become not what they necessarily are. It was taught in school long ago it’s called the American dream. So as much as you hate to even dwell on this I will tell you the way it is your side is screwed no ideas no vision no dreams and no understanding what people want out of life. Hint its not a government check or tax credit.

No hard feelings but get use to the word minority as libs are going to be there for the next 40-60 years. As for the next president to early to tell but I would not be surprised if it was Newt.

[stryper]

Us old timers refuse to lower prices so we lose accounts.


Okay, maybe I'm missing something here, but doesn't supply and demand play a part in this business too? Obviously, we all want to make top dollar, but if the market just can't support it, isn't it time to try something different? And if you can't find a (lower) price point at which you can make an acceptable living, shouldn't you consider doing something else? I understand that perhaps this is what we want to do, but part of survival is doing what we have to do to get by. If it means taking another job, so be it. And if it means lowering our prices and perhaps even our standard of living, then so be it too. As helpless as we may feel, we do have choices, we just might not like them much. Frankly, it almost seems that with all the talk of lowballers the industry might be pricing itself out of existence.

And I sincerely hope not. I happen to like cutting grass, and I'd like to get rich doing it.

[TClawn]

just one question, if the mowing market is so bad, why not move? business may be booming the next county or two over.....

[Twotoros]

just one question, if the mowing market is so bad, why not move? business may be booming the next county or two over.....
Counties are fairly large in Easten Wa. Not much difference. Moving isn't an option at this time. I fully expect a reccession but for the working poor that will equal a depression. An aging mother requires me to stay put for now.

[gqnine44]

Like so many others have said- Quit whining and do something about it. You Bush bashers waste your time being whiny victims instead of adapting and conquering.

Also I will not lose a single client even if gas prices reach $5 a gallon. My clientele is rich. It must be scary to think you will lose customers because they will have to fill their tanks to get to work and not be able to pay the "lawnboy". Get new customers if you are seriously afraid of this.

Fact: When the rich get richer so do I. They have to spend their money somewhere and I am just the guy to take it.

Viva Bush! payup

[Nosmo]

I hope I am wrong but it don't look good. Gas prices going up and up. Surcharges tacked on deliveries. We are all gonna feel it before long in almost every place we do business. Another factor is the minimum wage -- they want to raise it. What happens every time it is raised ? The small businessman has got to recover the cost so prices go up .

I don't have an answer for this , just an opinion of what lies ahead. I can remember when Nixon , Ford and Jimmie Carter were in. Inflation was almost at a runaway. When Carter was in I can remember going to the grocery store 2-times in a day and the cost of a particular item had already risen in the afternoon. Hope this doesn't repeat itself.

Nosmo

[TClawn]

Counties are fairly large in Easten Wa. Not much difference. Moving isn't an option at this time. I fully expect a reccession but for the working poor that will equal a depression. An aging mother requires me to stay put for now.

if that is the case, I would suggest that you try to get into landscaping and irrigation.

your general "run of the mill scrub" does not have the capability to tackle landscaping and irrigation jobs, keeping your prices where you want them.

[olderthandirt]

I hope I am wrong but it don't look good. Gas prices going up and up. Surcharges tacked on deliveries. We are all gonna feel it before long in almost every place we do business. Another factor is the minimum wage -- they want to raise it. What happens every time it is raised ? The small businessman has got to recover the cost so prices go up .

I don't have an answer for this , just an opinion of what lies ahead. I can remember when Nixon , Ford and Jimmie Carter were in. Inflation was almost at a runaway. When Carter was in I can remember going to the grocery store 2-times in a day and the cost of a particular item had already risen in the afternoon. Hope this doesn't repeat itself.

Nosmo

Also I will not lose a single client even if gas prices reach $5 a gallon. My clientele is rich.
AND

Get new customers if you are seriously afraid of this.
gqnine44 has the answers to the problems of rising fuel prices can't figure out why no one else thought of it :dizzy: :dizzy: :dizzy:

[stumper1620]

its not all demand yes demand does make prices go up to a point but it is also the capacity of all the refineries shipping out gas for you and me. the last report i heard said refineries were working at about 90-95% capacity. by working at that high of a percantage there is no room for error if one refinery gets shut down even temporarily prices of fuel will go up everywhere. thats why they need to build more so they can lower that capacity percantage and also lower gas prices for us all. the US hasn't built any new refineries in about 10-15 years i think and if they don't build more and with demand rising you get the point. and if other countries start demanding more fuel then we do are prices will go up because the other county will try to get more of the oil then we do.
This is correct & I'll add, Unless the EPA is forced to back off we will never see any new refineries, during Clinton years & with the backing of my worthless senator Levin on the energy committee, they forced the closing of the only refinery left in Michigan, It was closed due to the expense required to meet EPA standards. Now Michigan fuel is supplied from Illinois as soon as that refinery closed Michigans prices increased.

[daveintoledo]

QUOTE]

You guys lost you are going to lose again and again and the reason is simple and its something your side is just to stupid to ever understand. We do not want people telling us how to live our lives or telling us they know best we do not want your side cheating by using judges to write laws you would never get passed.

But the real reason the one that’s write in front of your face which your wrote in these epic lines above is this. You say we will never make enough money to be republicans. It just never dawns on you that people want to move up in class and wealth we want to better our selves not hover at some level that your side claims we are suppose to be at. I do not claim I am a republican and vote that way because I am rich I vote that way because I want to and will become rich!! In other words Americans vote what they want to become not what they necessarily are. It was taught in school long ago it’s called the American dream. So as much as you hate to even dwell on this I will tell you the way it is your side is screwed no ideas no vision no dreams and no understanding what people want out of life. Hint its not a government check or tax credit.

No hard feelings but get use to the word minority as libs are going to be there for the next 40-60 years. As for the next president to early to tell but I would not be surprised if it was Newt.[/QUOTE]



you will never enter there class thats the whole plan, to fool stupid people into thinking thay can become rich by voting republican...hahahaahah lmao>>>>>


you just proved the whole point my friend...they have you so fooled that your stupid vote is cutting your own throat, while your customers get rich ahahahahahahaah

IDIOT :sleeping:

rebublicans have very nice grass... they pay lawn boys 20.00 to mow it..hahahhahahah

[topsites]

another misconception, is that it takes a whole administration for the effect to happen, bull crap, this county finally had a deficit of zero,,,,, now where in debt more then ever


Maybe your county did but the COUNTRY certainly did NOT!
Clinton NEVER had us into NO deficit - that is bs and folklore, old wive's tales.

Don't believe me?
Then look at this chart and SHOW me *WHERE* in the past 20 YEARS the United States had NO Deficit:
http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdpenny.htm
... Look at that crap, we went from -4 Trillion to -5.67 Trillion during the Clinton era, not even ONCE did it STOP growing (the definition of ZERO deficit means we STILL owe but it's not getting worse), all it has done is gotten worse the ENTIRE time !

http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdhisto4.htm
I DARE you show me ONE month we had NO deficit! Hell if Clinton did it then so did Bush, look right here:
08/26/2005 $7,932,175,772,551.98
08/25/2005 $7,932,696,424,284.74
See... GEE we owed LESS on the 26th than on the 25th OMG but that don't mean squat and neither does it mean anything when a MONTH goes like that, it has to be CONSISTENT over a period of YEARS and not just one or two measly MONTHS, hell Bush has those TOO, look here you go:
04/29/2005 $7,764,537,337,364.14
03/31/2005 $7,776,939,047,670.14

But you gotta do it month after month after month, then year after year after year for like 20 or 30 YEARS, sustained... Otherwise it don't mean schitt.

Now lets look at years, I don't see NO sign of stopping the deficit from growing here, do you?:
09/29/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86
09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43
09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32
09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38
09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66

Because ONE month of +200,000 dollars don't mean squid when every month before and after is like minus millions and billions / day!

Now someone comes around and does THIS to the National debt, THEN I'll be impressed (look between 1816 and 1836):
http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdhisto1.htm
Yeah now THAT's paying off the debt, and THAT is an impressive 20-year record! Everything else that has ever happened in the US in the past 40-some years is nothing but BULL !
Then, 1919 to 1930 shows some fairly impressive figures:
http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdhisto3.htm

And there's your NO deficit in the past 200 years, we ain't seen good figures since the early 18 and 1900's so every Clinton fan keeps talking trash about Clinton's NO deficit, they are full of themselves... All Clinton ever did was get himself into one scandal after another, that's what I remember the most... LOL do you really think highly of someone who commits adultery? So should I violate a commandment so people will think highly of me?
.

[daveintoledo]

the whole world knows we reached a balanced budget......except the conservitaves.....and im sorry im not as profecient as a typer as you, ......

you cant even figure out how to edge a sidewalk.....ive seen the pictures:waving:

[Kelly's Landscaping]

Must suck to be you Dave no hope and no idea what I said. A blind man could see it but not a lib. Choose your words wisely when speaking of my future income, as you have no clue what you speak of. Only ones that were fooled were you guys who think Clinton was good for the country.

[daveintoledo]

what is that, im a democrat..... not a liberal... your a rush fan arent you , can smell it from many states away... just another blind stupid fool being led around by a leash...

"stay the course, wouldnt be prudent, ill fight my dads war...." ill lie to the world and start a WAR>......

yes i HATE BUSH WITH A PASSION if i could id kick his ass myself, but he is such a cowering little worm that would never happen

dont suck being me dude, my life is great , nothing gets in my way.....im 42, beautiful wife, lots of grass to mow, play in two rock bands and one country band clearing 20,000 a year just playin music, not to mention my full time job....and im makin good money mowing...... i probably double what you make just in my spare time.....

my boat, my cars, my recording studio, 25,000 worth of p.a. equipment....... enough to have ted nugent drop his jaw atmy sound system, i probably have more crap in my garage then you have that you call treasured goods....


i try not to let the sheep get me involved in these conversations, but you are so freaking weak you cant even think for youself.... i am done with this topic

as i stated before i just want to talk about cutting grass but get goated into these stupid threads....

sorry if i am being insulting but you and your kind are killing america.....

later :realmad:

[stryper]

Excellent post topsites...much food for thought

[leadarrows]

A balanced budget means we are not spending more than we make or have to spend. Clinton balanced the budget at the expense of or military in part. A defect is owing more than we are able to pay. The budget was balanced but we were still trillions in debt. Clinton always forgot to mention that we were still in debt even though he brag of a balanced budget. Pretty simple really.

[Mancinioldhorse]

I know you don't care to get into these political discussions...I can tell at the end of your posts...I don't really either. But one honest question...why do you HATE Bush?...what has he done to you? You say you are not a lib..you consider yourself a democrat. But the standard every day Lib point of view is exactly what you are saying...they HATE president Bush...They believe he ruined the economy...He didn't but that's what the lib propaganda says so the libs spout it. Now I intensly dislike what he has done (or hasn't done) with our borders and illegal immigration...but i don't hate him. I really don't like the fact that he has us in a war (which i do support, both the decision and the troops) with no clear prior winning or exit strategy. It's like he (the chiefs of staff) didn't think it through all the way. I don't like Rumsfeld...used to but don't anymore. But don't hate him.

My point is, you can disagree about what he's done, or not done, without hating.

have a good day

[gqnine44]

QUOTE]

you will never enter there class thats the whole plan, to fool stupid people into thinking thay can become rich by voting republican...hahahaahah lmao>>>>>


you just proved the whole point my friend...they have you so fooled that your stupid vote is cutting your own throat, while your customers get rich ahahahahahahaah

IDIOT :sleeping:

rebublicans have very nice grass... they pay lawn boys 20.00 to mow it..hahahhahahah


Dave - You are confused.

In America anyone who works hard and works smart can become rich. It sounds like you dont believe this. No one gets rich by voting for a particular party. Republicans believe in the American Dream and "a hand up" not "a hand out". Liberals seek someone to blame when things dont go right and expect someone to take care of them.

BTW, How much weed did you smoke today?

[daveintoledo]

, oh and by the way , how much gay sex did you have today???? i don't do drugs looser

im no freaking liberal i believe in instant death penalty when convicted, i believe in no welfare , if you cant feed yourself, you should starve, i beleive in no public assistance whats so ever, if you cant take care of your own kids, you should loose them to adoption, sound like a liberal to you....

[olderthandirt]

[QUOTE=daveintoledo], oh and by the way , how much gay sex did you have today???? i don't do drugs looser
ROFLMAO :D Not worth getting worked up about Dave,^^^ and yes I'm a republicant

[RedWolf]

I just look out for my self and my customers and **** everyone else.I work hard for my money and dont spend more than i have.I just use cash no checks and no cards.I used to care.I did.But after what i have seen,Ive lost all hope.I just work hard and save and hope the next day gets better than the last.Its sad yes i know but its the truth and there are many more guys like me that think the same way."**** everyone else and just look out for yourself".

[PROCUT1]

, oh and by the way , how much gay sex did you have today???? i don't do drugs looser

im no freaking liberal i believe in instant death penalty when convicted, i believe in no welfare , if you cant feed yourself, you should starve, i beleive in no public assistance whats so ever, if you cant take care of your own kids, you should loose them to adoption, sound like a liberal to you....


Thats nice...... The hell with the hundreds of people on death row that have been RELEASED due to DNA and other evidence.....

Great so the people who cant afford health insurance and have a heart attack with 100g in bills and get laid off in our lovely economy.....Well why wait till they starve.....Lets just kill em now.....

[daveintoledo]

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ROFLMAO :D Not worth getting worked up about Dave,^^^ and yes I'm a republicant

nothing wrong with being a democrat either, but im no freaking liberal...hahahahh

its the ultra conservative and ultra liberal , extreme view on either side that mess things up..

i like many republican ideas, like many democratic ones too, i vote for a person, not so much an idea....

[daveintoledo]

Thats nice...... The hell with the hundreds of people on death row that have been RELEASED due to DNA and other evidence.....

Great so the people who cant afford health insurance and have a heart attack with 100g in bills and get laid off in our lovely economy.....Well why wait till they starve.....Lets just kill em now.....

you kill, rape or molest a child, beyond a resonable doubt, including dna evidence, they shoudl fry in 24 hours, not spend 30 grand a year supporting them on death row..

and im refering to able bodied people, not people who cant take care of themselves but wont work to take care of them selves....some old guy works all his life, he should be entitled to some help.... but not the healthy, lazy.

really just pointing out i dont have liberal views...at all and it offends me to be called one, just like any other stereotype