Lawnsite official Bi@%& about gas price thread

[meathead1134]

Ok Guys instead of making new gas threads every other week how about we have 1 official bit@% about gas price thread, here we go.
1. The hurricane in the gulf
2. The media
3. the after math

Ok we all know that gas prices were going to go up but WTF The media :realmad: was hinting about the price was going to reach $3.00 and boom gas prices are up .30 in 2 days :realmad: :realmad: :realmad: Now I find that alarming :realmad: . I filled my personal car at 2.69 and now it $2.84 as I was leaving the gas station. You know its real bad when I can fill up a hyundai elantra and it costs $34.00. Cumberlands already purchased the gas they currently have for sale. Talk about price gouging. This is a pain in @ss :realmad: I didn't have time to fill my truck I don't want to know how much its going to cost to fill my truck now. :realmad:

Lets vent on this thread instead of starting new one every other week. Now it somebody elses turn.

[John Gamba]

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John

[mcwlandscaping]

On the way home from school today, most of our bus was talking about it, up to $2.60 today, but that will probably go up by tomarrow morning. For me it isn't so bad, but for my dad who has to fill his gas guzzilin suburban, i feel bad when he won't let me pay him for some of it since a lot of it is used driving me around. Just my 2 cents!

[Lazer_Z]

The lowest I've seen where I'm at is $2.47 the higest I've seen is $2.59. This is getting crazy I can tell you one thing I see in my future and that is my prices going up even more than they are now.

Rob

[QualityLawnCare4u]

Ours was 2.47 this morning at 7 AM (came down a little in past few days) then at 8 AM it was 2.57 and at 10:30 AM it was 2.67. I saw one store that had cars lined up that was still at 2.47 at 11:00. Ive never seen cars line up in my neck of the woods to get gas. Greedy SOBs, the same gas that was in the ground at 7 this morning at 2.47 jumped .20, I don't give a squat what anyone says, that is price gouging/screwing us/ use any excuse to raise it. I got where when I get gas it makes me get down right PO and I stew about it for the next hour, like that does any good. :angry:

[Lazer_Z]

Danny,You hit it on the head my friend it's all about the $$$$$$ thats all they give a flying F about. But, The $$$ is'nt the worst part it's all the BS that goes along with it the BS is so deep I think I need to put my boots on. In short this just plain sucks. Have you ever heard the old saying " The rich are getting richer & the poor are getting poorer"? That sound about right with these gas prices don't it?

Rob

[wbw]

[QUOTE=meathead1134] Cumberlands already purchased the gas they currently have for sale. Talk about price gouging. This is a pain in @ss :realmad: : QUOTE]

When prices are rising they must sell their fuel based on its replacement cost. Of course when prices are falling they still try to get all they can for it.

What would you do different, if you sold gas?

[Husqman]

WBW you hit it right on the head. If the filling stations did not have to replace the fuel they sell that would be price gouging.

[MOW ED]

The stations have began changing to 2.99 this afternoon. By tomorrow they all will be there. What is going on?

Thanks Prez, the oil companies are getting REAL rich now.

[Guthrie&Co]

gas prices are the reason i am looking into going to a diesel zt. you can get the kits to make biodiesel yourself and the cost per gallon comes out to around 50-70 cents per gallon. the initial investment is around 3 grand and the hands on mixing time is close to an hour. as much fuel as we burn it seems that might be the route to go.

[DLS1]

raising everyone $1 a mowing as soon as it hits $3. I will start letting them know about the increase this week.

[RedWingsDet]

the owner at the gas station said its going to be 3.30 tomorrow for regular...

oh well, thats life, i'll get over it.

[coastallandscapesolutions]

I paid $2.39 this morning and $2.71 this afternoon. Tomorrow I was told that it would be $3.00 by 10:00 AM. Funny that the increase is right before a 3 day weekend.

[stumper1620]

the owner at the gas station said its going to be 3.30 tomorrow for regular...

oh well, thats life, i'll get over it.
2.99.9 oh he!! 3 bucks a gallon around here today. :blob2: :blob2: :blob2: :blob2: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:
I think NOW would be a good time to open the reserves.

[daveintoledo]

Danny,You hit it on the head my friend it's all about the $$$$$$ thats all they give a flying F about. But, The $$$ is'nt the worst part it's all the BS that goes along with it the BS is so deep I think I need to put my boots on. In short this just plain sucks. Have you ever heard the old saying " The rich are getting richer & the poor are getting poorer"? That sound about right with these gas prices don't it?

Rob

your government in action after a devastating disaster.... lets rip of the little guy......

everybody say , thank you mr bush....

today he decided to open the oil reserves... what a great guy.....

[topsites]

I have a question:

Can you run LEADED fuel in a lawn-mower (specifically, a Kohler 15hp) ? I know you can't do it in a car cauz of the cat, but the mower?

Reason I ask is I can get 109 octane racing fuel for 5 dollars/gallon and am sorely tempted to start using it, but it IS leaded. I wouldn't run it pure, I think the high oct would blow the motor, but I'd mix it with my Bp super to get around 96+ octane fuel.

Any guesses if the lead would mess things up on a Kohler?

...............................
Only other thing I saw the price rising ALL around while I was fueling for the week, every other gas station was out changing their signs so I FILLED up every tank I had at 2.67 for 93 octane bp - 110 dollars, LOL!

[Fvstringpicker]

The oil companies are testing the pricing resistance level. When the price increases get snagged by decreasing volume, they'll back off. Of course we are now competing in that wonderful global market everybody wanted. Now we are bidding against china and india. I believe, in the not to distant future, we'll be fondly remembering the good ole days when gas was $3.00 a gallon.

[TWUllc]

Prices jumped 25 cents here in Baltimore in alittle over an hour today. 2.95 as of 11pm. Saw it on the news. Complete BS, and I blame no one except our government.

[Green-Pro]

your government in action after a devastating disaster.... lets rip of the little guy......

everybody say , thank you mr bush....

today he decided to open the oil reserves... what a great guy..... :blob2:


When prices are rising they must sell their fuel based on its replacement cost. Of course when prices are falling they still try to get all they can for it.

What would you do different, if you sold gas?


Gotta be some of the dumbest sh!t I've ever seen quit whining or quit buying in other words quit making lame excuses, decide if you can live with or without the damn fuel (piss or get off the damn pot) & quit blaming who you think is at fault or adding to the man's list of excuses for increases in the first place.

Sorry had to vent my .02

[willretire@40]

The wife and i looked at a scion xb today. gets 31-35mpg and only cost 15k. Right now we are driving a ram and expedtion. We wanted to see what they would give us for the Ford Ex for a trade in. Mind you it is a 2005 with everything but leather. 19k b.c they say it wont sell b.c of gas prices and b.c of that dang Ford family plan. So we see gas prices are affecting people in many different ways. It cost $65 to fill up 1 truck.

[Patriots]

Facts are that Exxon/Mobile posted record profits for the 6th quarter in a row. Refineries have gone from charging $4.00 per barrell in 1998 to $7.00 a barrell in 2003 to $13.00 a barrell in 2005. The Chinesse demand has actually gone down over the past 12 months.

The real problem is that this scandal outpaces the S&L's and Enron - yet the Government turns a blind eye ..... hmmm wonder why?

[QualityLawnCare4u]

The wife and i looked at a scion xb today. gets 31-35mpg and only cost 15k. Right now we are driving a ram and expedtion. We wanted to see what they would give us for the Ford Ex for a trade in. Mind you it is a 2005 with everything but leather. 19k b.c they say it wont sell b.c of gas prices and b.c of that dang Ford family plan. So we see gas prices are affecting people in many different ways. It cost $65 to fill up 1 truck.

I feel for anybody that bought a vehicle from the big 3 right before GM came out with that employ pricing. I looked at a chevy truck with a sticker of 25k and it was marked down to 18k. Now think about the folks that bought one before this special, their 25k truck aint worth 12k trade in if they are lucky with 5000 miles on it! We have a used truck dealer and his lot looks like a ghost town, has at least 150 2003--04 trucks and his price on all of them is thousands higher than a brand new one. Wanted 2500 more for a 04 Nissan than I could get a brand new one for.

[Richard Martin]

I have a question:

Can you run LEADED fuel in a lawn-mower (specifically, a Kohler 15hp) ? I know you can't do it in a car cauz of the cat, but the mower?

As long as the engine doesn't have an 02 sensor (only EFI engines have them) you should be okay. The biggest difference between a leaded engine and a unleaded engine are the cylinder head valve seats. The unleaded engine has a hardened valve seat to make up for the lack of lead (which acts as a lubricant).

[willretire@40]

Saw gas for $3.05 87 octane.

[stumper1620]

Saw gas for $3.05 87 octane.
Wally world in Big rapids is 3.48 per gal. 87 octane this morning.

[DLS1]

2.99.9 oh he!! 3 bucks a gallon around here today. :blob2: :blob2: :blob2: :blob2: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:
I think NOW would be a good time to open the reserves.

Not sure what the reserves will do if the refineries are down and can't process it into gas. I think it is more hype to settle down the gas/oil commodity market and people.

[jpp]

Within 3 miles of me 3/09 to 3.25

[Richard Martin]

They are releasing fuel from the reserves now. They have also relaxed the rules for areas using boutique fuel like mine. We can now use any fuel that they can get to us. "that they can get to us" could be the killer for my area. All of our fuel comes to us via pipeline from the big refineries in the Gulf coast. Well the pumps for that pipeline don't have any electricity and as a result we have been warned to expect shortages. When that happens the price will really go up.

[mcwlandscaping]

Well, we just hit $3.00 a gallon today. This sucks! Oh well, what can ya do about it except hope that it will go back down or at least stop rising. Rose $.25 in one day!!!

[jbell113]

We have one store here in north atlanta charging 4.68 a gal. I saw a station for 2.99 a gallon and the line was out in the road. The next station was 3.19 and the next one was 2.99 with no wait. I pulled in and within minutes the line was out in the road.

[RedWingsDet]

some places here its only 2.79 and others its 3.35. both have really long lines.

oh well, thats life, after labor day and the refinerys open back up, it'll be back down. Its not that big of a deal that everyone is making it seem, its only a few bucks more to fill up. Ya it sucks, but its better than having even more people dead and tons of oil spilled.

[SCAG POWER]

Well the are lining up in Apopka Fla for gas,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,This morning the news reported a ststion in Apopka Fl was @ 2.45 per gal. I went by after i finished cutting, they had gone to $ 2.89 per gal wowwwwwwwwwwww.

Most of the cars at the mobil were getting less than 10.00 dollars worth , they are doing just what the locial news people said not too topping off their tanks.

For me i will probley not mow this thursday, but will take one account from thursday and add it to friday, this way i stay close to my house. :dizzy: :angry: :help:

[Tonyr]

payin' $6 per gallon for diesel down here....diesel 4x4 to tow trailer, diesel mower....ouch! :angry:

[stumper1620]

Not sure what the reserves will do if the refineries are down and can't process it into gas. I think it is more hype to settle down the gas/oil commodity market and people.
now would be a good time to reopen the refinery in Alma Michigan that was forced to shut down due to EPA requirements. Its still there sitting Idle waiting for someone to order it to be restarted.

[dvmcmrhp52]

The oil supply is NOT the problem, hasn't been for years.
The problem is refining capacity.
When the EPA and some other folks finally decide it's time to allow some reasoned thought into the process, the oil companies may decide to build some more refineries.

[stumper1620]

The oil supply is NOT the problem, hasn't been for years.
The problem is refining capacity.
When the EPA and some other folks finally decide it's time to allow some reasoned thought into the process, the oil companies may decide to build some more refineries.
see my post above, that was a very capable refinery until Clinton's administration EPA forced it to close, what is worse yet is that Michigan's senator Levin was on the Energy committee and gave it his blessings to be closed up. Its still there and all they need to do is turn it all back on.

[GreenQuest Lawn]

Odd here,
Monday gas was 2.69
By Tuesday Night it was 2.99 per gallon
By Wednesday Morning 3.49 per gallon
Wednesday evening 3.22 per gallon

Go figure. :dizzy:

[stumper1620]

Odd here,
Monday gas was 2.69
By Tuesday Night it was 2.99 per gallon
By Wednesday Morning 3.49 per gallon
Wednesday evening 3.22 per gallon

Go figure. :dizzy:
your at the main fuel dump. :D

[RedWingsDet]

3.39 now. owner said it'll be 3.59 tomorrow

[tinman]

I paid $2.39 this morning and $2.71 this afternoon. Tomorrow I was told that it would be $3.00 by 10:00 AM. Funny that the increase is right before a 3 day weekend.
and right b4 one of the busiest driving holidays of the year.

[Varsity L&G]

The wife and i looked at a scion xb today. gets 31-35mpg and only cost 15k. Right now we are driving a ram and expedition. We wanted to see what they would give us for the Ford Ex for a trade in. Mind you it is a 2005 with everything but leather. 19k b.c they say it wont sell b.c of gas prices and b.c of that dang Ford family plan. So we see gas prices are affecting people in many different ways. It cost $65 to fill up 1 truck.

We have a 2000 expo they we have been trying to get rid of for the last 6 months, we have decided that they only way we are ever going to be able to sell it is pay it off and give it away. Look at the KBB value on all them. The price has dropped. Funny we have had it a few years, got a great deal and it is worth less then what we still owe, while the 96 BMW I own, the value is going up, now worth more then when I bought it a few years back.

Buy a used motorcycle and learn to ride. 50+mpg on my crotch rocket and I drive the crap out of it.

[freddyc]

payin' $6 per gallon for diesel down here....diesel 4x4 to tow trailer, diesel mower....ouch! :angry:



Ok, but how much does the donkey eat per mile????

[coastallandscapesolutions]

And gas went from $3.29 this morning to $3.79 tonight.

[meathead1134]

gas is varing from 3.09 to 3.39 all within a 1/4 of a mile

[Tonyr]

Ok, but how much does the donkey eat per mile????

It is a Toyota landcruiser, 4.2 litre diesel 4x4....towing the trailer, gear, john deere....it chews up plenty. I haven't got exact figures on hand, but the increase in feul certainly is noticed.

[meathead1134]

I read earlier today on CNN that oil dipped below $60.00 a barrel and the US stock pile is almost as high as it was in 90 or 91 but I can't find the link. But yet gas prices are up a bunch in 2 weeks :confused: How long will this price gouging gone on for??? I'd figure that I bring this thread back to life. 2.39 this morning in Attleboro

[J&R Landscaping]

I passed by the station this morning about 7 am and it was $2.37 for 87 octane. I passed by the same station at about 8 45 am and after he got his delivery, the price went up to $2.43. Its crazy

[Jason Rose]

I read earlier today on CNN that oil dipped below $60.00 a barrel and the US stock pile is almost as high as it was in 90 or 91 but I can't find the link. But yet gas prices are up a bunch in 2 weeks :confused: How long will this price gouging gone on for??? I'd figure that I bring this thread back to life. 2.39 this morning in Attleboro


So why the F^$% are we paying $2.49 a gallon here??? It went up saturday from like $2.34 to $2.49 in one jump and has just stayed there...

I'd torch an oil executives house, but I can't afford enough gas to light the fire! Wouldn't matter anyway, most of them have many homes...

[lawnmaniac883]

Florida is getting hammered with diesel prices...2.79 at the local station. They are just gouging the hell out of the american people. Speculation caused the price increase before winter even came because they were worried about a really bad winter and not having enough fuel. Now, there is more than enough fuel and the prices are still going up...WTF IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE??? Price Fixing and monopoly is all I gotta say.

[Brendan Smith]

The oil supply is NOT the problem, hasn't been for years.
The problem is refining capacity.
When the EPA and some other folks finally decide it's time to allow some reasoned thought into the process, the oil companies may decide to build some more refineries.
i say old boy, i think you've got it (said with british accent) a freind in the oil exploration business was saying the same thing to me while his truck was in the shop last week. :realmad:

[SCAG POWER]

Hay we are running any where from 2.56 to 2.78.9 rite now in APOPKA FL.
Any way only mowing in Apopka Fl.I saw this one guy has signs out saying FIRST CUT FREE,,,,WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.

tHEN WHEN I GOT DOWN THE STREET MORE AT ONE OF THE MORE ACTIVE INTERESCTIONS YOU SEE HIS LAWN TRAILER WITH HIS FOUR WHEELS TOYS FOR SALE.



wowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww:dizzy:

[PROCUT1]

Refining capacity not the problem?

How about maybe OILMEN in the Whitehouse?

How do you explain the oil companies RECORD PROFITS EVERY QUARTER?

[jsf343]

Yeah, the gas thing is very FRUSTRATING!! (where are those angry red faces?!) to top off (no pun intended) a frustrating thread topic (for everyone!) we had just finished 2 yards, (next to each other) one of my employees fills the tanks on the Honda's and loads all the equipment into the truck and trailer. We drive off and about 4 hours later go for the gas to re-load. I'm like "what the?!" where is the gas can?? It was left at that house next to the curb. I call the people over there thinking one of them picked it up. (it was a dead end street) Somebody picked it up alright, and loaded it into their garage or car. I never will know. Dang it man! My fault for not doing a better job checking on everything. Free is too good of a price for someone dishonest to pass up.

[iluvscag]

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John

Now thats some serious bit*^in.:)

[Andersonlawnscape]

Gas has been all over the place here but seems to have stayed right around the 2.50 mark these last couple of days. The only think I can hope for is it will get rid of some of the cheap skate cut your yard for free companies. Who knows tho.

[TWUllc]

You just have to ask yourself, what would Chuck Norris or MacGyver do? :usflag:

[Jay Ray]

Even with big oil making record profits, the government makes more off each gallon sold through taxation than the oil companies make through production and sales.

Oil is getting scarcer too.

Would be very surprised to see 1.999 ever again.

I feel it just like everybody else. I've taken every pound off the trailer and out of the truck that I could and got a jump of 5/8 of a mile per gallon better on fuel economy. Not much but gotta do something.

[meathead1134]

2.45 yesterday, I wonder what its going to be when I get home today

[QualityLawnCare4u]

Ours hit 2.55 today. Its spring break next week and everyone is out traveling plus all the teens will be joyriding. Price gouging at its finest.

[Luvs2Play]

Thank the news media for a good chunk of it. They are the ones that make it look worse than it really is. Oil companies take advantage of that. I think they pay the news media for the reports.

[MOW ED]

Went from 2.45 a few weeks ago to 2.65 2 days ago. My surcharge kicks in at 2.69 and I printed my flyers with the surcharge info a month ago. Someones getting rich and it aint me.

[QualityLawnCare4u]

Thank the news media for a good chunk of it. They are the ones that make it look worse than it really is. Oil companies take advantage of that. I think they pay the news media for the reports.

I heard on the news this morning that we were one oil disruption away from total catastrophy according to the enery experts. Yeah, the media does help us out a lot!

[FearThisDeere]

$2.39 yesterday, 10 hours later $2.55. Yeah, there must ahve been a real shortage yesterday or something!:dizzy: :nono:

[JJLandscapes]

$2.39 yesterday, 10 hours later $2.55. Yeah, there must ahve been a real shortage yesterday or something!:dizzy: :nono:

they passed a law maybe just NY i guess after the katrina price increases saying they cant raise gas prices more than once in a 24 hour period is what i thought


but honestly i work 30 hours doing 100-110 residentials and week and go through 10-15 gallons if that a week... even if gas goes up $2 a gallon and your expenses go up $30 a week how can you justify charging fees for people... someone said $2.69 surcharge b4 which no customer should ever pay you people must be doing something terribly wrong if the gas is hurting ur pocket that bad unless u using huge tractors

i see LCO's driving f650 dump trucks on weekly maintenance routes that still bag the grass and never use the dump bed for grass at all... they probably wasting 1000's a year on gas.... probably the same companies adding fee's for gas and wondering why there pocket is hurting and losing customers

[Precision]

they passed a law maybe just NY i guess after the katrina price increases saying they cant raise gas prices more than once in a 24 hour period is what i thought


but honestly i work 30 hours doing 100-110 residentials and week and go through 10-15 gallons if that a week... even if gas goes up $2 a gallon and your expenses go up $30 a week how can you justify charging fees for people... someone said $2.69 surcharge b4 which no customer should ever pay you people must be doing something terribly wrong if the gas is hurting ur pocket that bad unless u using huge tractors

i see LCO's driving f650 dump trucks on weekly maintenance routes that still bag the grass and never use the dump bed for grass at all... they probably wasting 1000's a year on gas.... probably the same companies adding fee's for gas and wondering why there pocket is hurting and losing customers

no offense, but there is no way you can mow over 100 lawns on less than 15 gallons of gas, unless you only drive the truck to a couple of spots with 30 to 50 units at each and you use 21 inch mowers.

15 hours on a ZTR would be 10-20 gallons alone.
15 hours on a WB would be 6-12 gallons alone
Truck getting call it 20 MPG 10 gallons only takes you 200 miles

[JJLandscapes]

no offense, but there is no way you can mow over 100 lawns on less than 15 gallons of gas, unless you only drive the truck to a couple of spots with 30 to 50 units at each and you use 21 inch mowers.

15 hours on a ZTR would be 10-20 gallons alone.
15 hours on a WB would be 6-12 gallons alone
Truck getting call it 20 MPG 10 gallons only takes you 200 miles

i go through 1 fill up ( 5 gallons on scag walk behind) plus 2 more gallons would last the week.... 21 inch maybe fill up once every other day

and fill up a 5 gallon container of 2 cycle for wackers and blowers and that will last almost 2 weeks ... during the year not cleanups when blowers are on 2 hours straight

my friend basically jogs with the 21 inch and i go twice as fast as most people i see with walk behinds... us young kids probably got more enery than u old timers ;) so we are in and out of houses fast as hell so equipment is on less.. i Didnt count my truck 97 blazer v6 pulling 7x12 enclosed trailer somehow cause its used as personal vehicle also but i get same gas mileage with or without trailer on (160 miles on a full tank) if i included the truck i would be spending maybe 10-20 more if gas prices went up a $1

[meathead1134]

2.53 this morning and now 2.59, I didn't see anything on cnn this morning whats the hicup this time??

[MOW ED]

APRIL 12, 2006

Regular Unleaded = 2.75 a gallon here in Green Bay up from 2.69. My surcharge kicks in for mowing at 2.69 and I haven't mowed a blade yet. Cleanups are going for 100 minimum now and I don't care if I get the work or not. This is bu11Sh!+

[beautifullawns]

:cry: they raised prices yesterday from $2.51 to $2.61 then when i was filling up at 2PM they raised it to $2.63. i wonder what it will be when i go out today. I think it is time i bought some stock in these oil companies that are still having the high profits.:realmad:

[Raven386]

my truck hasnt seen it past a half a tank since i got it 2 weeks ago. yesterday cumberland farms raised their price from $2.65 - $2.79. all in about oh id say 15 minutes or so. everyone is complaining about my prices raising too so i have to hear complaints constantly. this is just total Bull. i think all of us should just start our own gas company up, just for the Lawn Care trade.

[JJLandscapes]

2.99 at cheap spots in Long island NY probably 3.30-350 in NYC and out east ....

[Lux Lawn]

Gas here went up to $2.79 a gallon this week also.It seems like it is getting out of control.The one thing that I think about is the middle age people that I work for...reason being they can buy a mower and do the lawn themselves to offset some of their monthly bills.I'm talking about the smaller lawns where they can go buy a 21inch mower for $400 bucks.

[grassmasterdawn]

I'm considering putting a trailer hitch on my Honda Accord instead of using my Jeep Cherokee for towing. Instead of paying $68 a tank I'd be paying a mere $36!

[QualityLawnCare4u]

I talked with a gas truck driver friday when he was delivering fuel and he said was told by his boss that by July 1st it would be 4.50 a gallon!

[topsites]

I talked with a gas truck driver friday when he was delivering fuel and he said was told by his boss that by July 1st it would be 4.50 a gallon!

Stupid, but excellent.
I mean, is it even helping?
I like empty roads myself. No tailgaters, no getting cut off, no stupidity at all, the higher the price, the less bs for me.
I just hope we don't run out.

Price-wise, my racing blend is around 3.50, the mix is 4 a gallon, pump fuel is around 3.

[steve45]

Of course, the real reason that prices are high is that crude oil is traded on the New York Mercantile Exchange (NYMEX). The oil companies do NOT set the price for crude. It doesn't matter what you think or what the news media says, the oil companies don't control oil prices any more than farmers control the price of corn or wheat. They produce it and sell it on the open market for what the TRADERS pay for it.

With the threat of bombing Iran (the world's second largest producer of crude oil) it is quite natural that the NYMEX is driving the price up. They are trying to guarantee that you will be able to buy gasoline in the event that war breaks out. It doesn't matter who starts it, Israel, the U.S., or whoever. If war breaks out, all bets are off.

How did we get into this mess? Blame the U.S. government. The EPA and OSHA have shut down refineries right & left. The EPA and local governments have stopped drilling in 85% of our offshore drilling sites. ANWR beckons, but the Sierra Club is fighting to protect one of the most barren, desolate areas on earth for no real reason. The Clinton administration closed a million acres to drilling by designating it as a park.

Since the government has prevented drilling in many promising areas, the oil companies have been forced to go overseas. So, now we have a mess and you want to blame the oil companies??? Why not place the blame where it belongs--the government! Don't forget, the government makes a lot more from the sale of gasoline than the oil companies do!

I don't like high gasoline prices, either. But I know why they are high, and I'm sick of all the complaining by idiots that don't know what they're talking about.

As somebody said a few pages back, buy oil company & oil service industry stocks. If you can't beat them, join them!

[MOW ED]

2.85 as of 5PM April 18, 2006

Thats a nice surprise. Ya no problem ma'am I'll do your lawn for 10 bucks. :hammerhead:

[The Kiwi Lawn Ranger]

My gas here just rose by 28 cent a gallon i am now paying $8.04 a gallon and it looks like it will rise again buy the middle of next week.

Neil
The Lawn Ranger
Taupo, New Zealand

[willretire@40]

alot of places are out of gas around here. ex Exxons and 7 elevens.

[willretire@40]

$2.89-2.99 i wont really complain till it is $3.10

[txcamper]

Here, in Dallas, it's anywhere from $2.84 - $2.99. One gas station shuts down the pumps every 2nd day for about 12 hours. I asked one employee why and was told they do what their corporate tells them to do and they have no clue.
Like I tell my kids "Just do as your are told and don't ask questions".
:gmctruck: payup payup

[DodgeTruckMan731]

Dont Buy Gas From Exxon And Mobile!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Bustus]

The worst part is its not gunna stop anytime soon. There is no logical financial reason for the rise, just basically speculation on trouble in the middle east. :hammerhead: At least you guys get it a bit cheaper than up here in:canadaflag:

[meathead1134]

2.85 this morning lets see what it is on the way home. I put in $50.00 @ 2.79 yesterday

[wildweasel7648]

I am not a rabid environmentalist or anything close, but I havn't seen a lot of discussion on solutions for gas prices. I did see one on bio-diesel, but not much else. Petroleum is a non-renewable resource. Next time you are out and about - count the cars/trucks with only one person in them. Can we say mass transit? Electric cars? Car pooling? Want to stick it to the man? Vote for people who are willing to go the distance for alternative fuels and transport methods and get a econo-box for those trips around town! Better yet! Get a bicycle! Four million chinese can't be wrong!
Look at gas prices elsewhere in the world and you may realize we are kinda lucky here in the U.S. I count my blessings that I live in the U.S.A! I think it is time we join the rest of the world in a little reality. Gas will continue to go up as more countries develop their own tech base. Time to share...:usflag:

[DodgeTruckMan731]

i dont think you would be able to tow much with an electric truck

[steve45]

Dont Buy Gas From Exxon And Mobil!!!!!!!!!!!!

And what would that accomplish???

[desii]

And what would that accomplish???
I'm sure some of you have already seen this, but here it is for those of you that have not. I did not write it, it was an email that I received. I hope this doesn't break any rules. Please feel free to copy an paste in an email to everyone that you know. (I/We really need for the gas prices to come down).


GAS WAR - an idea that WILL work

This was originally sent by a retired Coca Cola executive. It came from one of his engineer buddies who retired from Halliburton. It ' s worth your consideration.

Join the resistance!!!! I hear we are going to hit close to $4.00 a gallon by next summer and it might go higher!! Want gasoline prices to come down? We need to take some intelligent, united action. Phillip Hollsworth offered this good idea.

This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the "don't buy gas on a certain day" campaign that was going around last April or May! The oil companies just laughed at that because they knew we wouldn't continue to "hurt" ourselves by refusing to buy gas. It was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them.

BUT, whoever thought of this idea, has come up with a plan that can really work. Please read on and join with us! By now you're probably thinking gasoline priced at about $1.50 is super cheap. Me too! It is currently $2.79 for regular unleaded in my town. Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us to think that the cost of a gallon of gas is CHEAP at $1.50 - $1.75, we need to take aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS co ntrol the
marketplace..... not sellers. With the price of gasoline going up more each day, we consumers need to take action. The only way we are going to see the price of gas come down is if we hit someone in the pocketbook by not purchasing their gas! And, we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves. How? Since we all rely on our cars, we can't just stop buying gas. But we CAN have an impact on gas prices if we all act together to force a price war.

Here's the idea:

For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY gasoline from the two biggest companies (which now are one), EXXON and MOBIL. If they are not selling any gas, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If they reduce their prices, the other companies will have to follow suit.

But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of Exxon and Mobil gas buyers. It's really simple to do! Now, don't wimp out at this point.... keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of people.

I am sending this note to 30 people. If each of us sends it to at least ten more (30 x 10 =3D 300) ... and those 300 send it to at least ten more (300 x 10 =3D 3,000)...and so on, by the time the message reaches the sixth group of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION consumers. If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends each, then 30 million people will have been contacted! If it goes one level further, you guessed it..... THREE
>>>>HUNDRED MILLION >>>>PEOPLE!!!

Again, all you have to do is send this to 10 people. That's all. (If you don't understand how we can reach 300 million and all you have to do is send this to 10 people.... Well, let's face it, you just aren't a mathmatician. But I am, so trust me on this one.)

How long would all that take? If each of us sends this e-mail out to ten more people within one day of receipt, all 300 MILLION people could conceivably be contacted within the next 8 days!!!

I'll bet you didn't think you and I had that much potential, did you?

Acting together we can make a difference. If this makes sense to you, pl ease pass this message on. I suggest that we not buy from EXXON/MOBIL UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE $1.30 RANGE AND KEEP THEM DOWN.

THIS CAN REALLY WORK.

[Insometry]

Exxon is posting record profits. Why? They aren't getting alot of their oil from the opec monopoly. They established fields in Africa (investing billions) around 10 years ago. Most thought they were crazy at the time...its paying off now. The gas price drive is fueled mostly by the OPEC trading companies. Exxon does use Opec oil - but not only. Refusing to buy from them is the wrong choice in my mind.

Here is a cause of rising gas prices that no one is really well informed on.

---- Biofuel proponents might find this interesting.

David Pimentel, an agricultural scientist at Cornell University and one of the foremost critics of ethanol, has conducted numerous cost analyses on ethanol production. He's made a name for himself mostly by driving the ethanol industry raving mad. From its very beginnings, when hoe enters soil, ethanol production has not changed much since the nineteenth century. Pimentel found that one acre of U.S. corn field yields about 7,110 pounds of corn, which in turn produces 328 gallons of ethanol. Setting aside the environmental implications (which are substantial), the financial costs already begin to mount. To plant, grow, and harvest the corn takes about 140 gallons of fossil fuel and costs about $347 per acre. According to Pimentel's analysis, even before the corn is converted to ethanol, the feedstock alone costs $0.69 per gallon of ethanol.

More damning, however, is that converting corn to ethanol requires about 99,119 BTUs to make one gallon, which has 77,000 BTUs of available energy. So about 29 percent more energy is required to produce a gallon of ethanol than is stored in that gallon in the first place. "That helps explain why fossil fuels (not ethanol) are used to produce ethanol," Pimentel says. "The growers and processors can't afford to burn ethanol to make ethanol.


--- On top of that:

And:

...making the change (from MTBE to Ethanol) is hard because ethanol, unlike MTBE, absorbs water and therefore can't be transported by pipeline, which is how most gasoline moves from refineries to regional markets, said Mary Rose Brown, a spokeswoman for the refining company Valero (Research).

So ethanol needs to be transported separately by truck or railcar from the Midwest, where it's produced, to the pipeline terminus, where it's then blended with gasoline as the gas is loaded onto trucks for delivery to gas stations, said Brown. --- NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com)

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Ethanol Driving Up Gas Prices? -- AP 4/20/2006

Pain at the pump…what exactly is making those sky-high gas prices climb? The answer may surprise you. An additive that could make us less dependent on foreign oil is actually helping to drive up those prices.

It's called ethanol and it can be made from natural things, like corn. By law, it's a required additive to all fuel. Some experts say it's not cost effective.

It's not an illusion, prices at the pump are rising again, much to the dismay of drivers.

Experts say big oil is driving up the prices yet again. But there are other factors say Assemblyman Paul Tonko who chairs the energy committee, including a tight supply of ethanol.

Tonko said, “There isn't the supply necessary to meet the mandate the federal government placed upon the states.”

That mandate requires ethanol -- which is made from corn or grain -- to be added to all gasoline. And even though ethanol can be made right here in the United States, the infrastructure is just not there, no major refineries and no pipelines.

Tonko said, “It needs to be hauled to where it is then mixed with gasoline.”

It seems simple right -- corn as an alternative for fuel -- but according to some experts turning this into this is nowhere near as cost effective as it could or should be.

Tonko said, “When you're mandated by the federal government to mix that with traditional gasoline -- it jacks the price.”

A price that's seen better days. Gasoline and Repair Shop Association President Mac Brownson says the ethanol additive requirement hasn't helped.

Brownson said, “When the government said we're going to increase the ethanol percentage of a gallon of gas in NY that made us scramble to buy more ethanol which drove up the price.”

So both Brownson and Tonko say alternative fuels need to get a serious look. Not just as an overpriced additive in traditional fuel.

Brownson said, “We have to reach a level where the alternative fuels are cheaper than where they're at now.”


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[Precision]

I am not a rabid environmentalist or anything close, but I havn't seen a lot of discussion on solutions for gas prices. I did see one on bio-diesel, but not much else. Petroleum is a non-renewable resource. Next time you are out and about - count the cars/trucks with only one person in them. Can we say mass transit? Electric cars? Car pooling? Want to stick it to the man? Vote for people who are willing to go the distance for alternative fuels and transport methods and get a econo-box for those trips around town! Better yet! Get a bicycle! Four million chinese can't be wrong!
Look at gas prices elsewhere in the world and you may realize we are kinda lucky here in the U.S. I count my blessings that I live in the U.S.A! I think it is time we join the rest of the world in a little reality. Gas will continue to go up as more countries develop their own tech base. Time to share...:usflag:

4 million chinese???

Share, why. He who can afford it should get more.

Big oil makes money because they can. They insured the plants and production so they got paid for the premiums they paid out. Then they charged market prices instead of offsetting the costs with the proceeds from their insurance payments. I have no problem with that. That is good business. I would have done the same. AND we pay less that most of the industrial world because we have our own vast resources.

If you want to get reform in our energy plan, then stop subsidizing our oil prices and live off imported oil only. After the shock sets in, all these "too expensive" technologies would magically become cheap.

here is the thing, there is no REAL alternative to fossil fuels.

coal- not so good in cars and dirty
fuel cells -derive hydrogen from natural gas
biodiesel- works great on small scale, but we dont' have enough land to grow enough crops to make it
ethanol - see biodiesel
solar- oh please
wind- see solar
nukes - waste, criminal negligence, nimby - ism
Fusion - no where near that
coal- only about 200 years worth and still pretty dirty and not terribly portable

Fuels cells are good, sort of. certainly much more effiecent that combustion and less emissions on the net but still require other fuel to break the natural gas

biodiesel- has the advantage of getting rid of a hazardous waste as well as being cleaner burning and a method of recycling but will never fill more than 2% of our petroleum needs

ethanol-works great in vehicles designed for it. But has a very limited impact and will never fill more than 2% of our petroleum needs

solar and wind can help decrease the load on the grid but are not dependable

Nukes would be great if we could figure out what to do with the spent fuel and rods and could fool proof the production. because obviously fools are in charge

[meathead1134]

2.91 yesterday morning 2.99 yesterday afternoon. 3.03 this afternoon

[Frontier-Lawn]

were i live $2.85gal 87oct

[fulano]

I don't like the price of gas, but there are only a few companies who refine and they control the price. It isn't like the cut throat business of lawn care where there are a million and one lowballers who are looking to under cut you $20 per job or something and keep the cost down for consumers. :rolleyes:

[meathead1134]

3.01 this afternoon :hammerhead:

[VWBOBD]

The stations have began changing to 2.99 this afternoon. By tomorrow they all will be there. What is going on?

Thanks Prez, the oil companies are getting REAL rich now.

Since when does our president control free enterprise prices? If he does, Id like to get him to drop the price on the turfco topdressers so I could get a good deal on one, and a new Jacobsen greens mower:)