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Lisk
09-04-2005, 11:11 AM
Does Dodge make a stake body or a mason dump with the new lineup they have?? If not when do they expect to debut something like this?

UNISCAPER
09-04-2005, 11:38 AM
There are supposed to be a few triucks up their sleeve since MB and Frieghtliner are their counterparts. Hopefully they will have their act together when it comes to parts distribution this time around. The 70's and 80's MB bubble nose trucks were terrible for parts when needed. Said that, I'm not looking for a Dodge stake type truck over 1 ton for some time. Now, if you go through Frieghtliner, you can get class 4-5-6 Mercedes trucks, and Frieghtliner also has a class 6 truck. I'm not sure the size you are after. We are running 4500-5500 and 6500 series GM roll off and mason style dumps. Not one downed truck 4 years other than P.M.'s and aside from supply our jobs, we are running concrete and garbage into landfills and recycle yards 8 hours a day 6 days a week.

Lisk
09-04-2005, 11:47 AM
most likely running a 4500 series or maybe a 5500 depending on cost....

UNISCAPER
09-04-2005, 12:30 PM
Let me give you some numbers. 05 4500, Dmax/allison package, HD, 80,000 PSI frame, crew cab, 161" wheel base. Cab amenities, air, tilt, air ride seat, 120V power outlet to the side cab. We took the tight radius package,m where by flipping a switch, the trucks will almost turn a 180° in a 2 lane street at slow speeds. Chassis list was 49,000, fleet account price, $39,997.00.

If we chose a 12' removable side contractors dump with a shift on the fly, electrohydraulic PTO, body cost would have been $9,650.00 installed. We chose roll off, the body cost was $11,457.00 and then another 10K for 4 containers.


So, basically, you got 50K, and if you go 5500 you can get GM fleet lease, where you make the first and last payment of $1,889.00 up front, then at the lease end pay a buck and the truck is yours. You can probably save $3K if you don't want a crew cab. and even more if you gas it rather than diesel.

Our payments are in the mid 9's a month. We gave the last truck to the crew that drove the last F-450 we had, and hands down, they would quit if we changed brands.

Ironmower
09-04-2005, 02:56 PM
My co. is just beginning to try the International line of trucks, specifically the 4300 series. They don't cost as much as the Ford F-450/550 or GM 4500/5500 trucks do and they are better built IMO, with more heavy duty truck components and obviously no pickup parts. The Ford 450's I've run have been great, but I'm looking for something more substantial (i.e.: heavier brakes, etc) as the equipment we are pulling gets bigger. I refuse to go back to a GM as the 4500 we were running last year cracked its frame.

The model in consideration for my company is a 4300, with the DT-466 and Fuller transmission. The truck, with the dump bed is around $45k with the current financing IHC is running. Expecting delivery sometime towards the end of October. I am looking forward to seeing how this one does.

I have heard that International is also making the current F-650 and F-750 chassis for Ford now. Ford just sticks the Cat C7, Cummins ISB, or Power Stroke in and their cab and electronics. Rumor has it that Ford will return to the Class 8 market in '07 or '08 as soon as the non-compete is done with Sterling/DC.

On a side note, I had a 1983 IHC S-1900 Loadstar with an early DT-466 back in the mid-late 80's, that was a good truck, even for it to be during IHC's not-so-great years. It was the little things (electrical) on that truck that caused me to get rid of it. The rest of the co. trucks back then were late 70's vintage gas powered Chevy 60's and Ford F-700's.

Lisk
09-04-2005, 06:36 PM
yeah i was looking at the gm 4500's landscape dumps and they are much larger than the f450's......no comparison........also i heard the duramax is an excellent motor just burns a little more diesel and the allison trans is bulletproof.....be excellent for plowing.....

UNISCAPER
09-04-2005, 07:00 PM
Milage is going to vary from ara to area. Though I never got over 11 MPG with the 7.3 PSD, and lost 4 transmissions in 45,000 miles in the F-450, I have gotten 11-13 MPG with the Dmax/Allison combos. The first one we got has over 60K on it with no maintenance related issues other than PM. If you get one, get to 80,000 PSI frame option. That's the same tensile strength we have on one of our Mack chassis. But then remember if you do get that, you can't cut, weld or drill that frame for any reason. If you are gunna plow, check out the 4x4 version of the 4500. There are alot of race car crews using pick up truck versions of the 4500 to get their cars to the track.
The only thing I have heard from some plowers I know from around the country is that they would like revese gear to be a bit higher. They have been good trucks for us so far and I don't expect any problems, but only time and wear will tell that..

There is one more thing you may want to check out. We will be taking delivery on a 6500 series with a 7.8 liter Dmax and 9 speed Allison on the 17th. It has a 208" wheel base and is 25,980 GVW. It has the 80K frame, 20,000 lb eaton rear with an 11,000 lb front. Get this, it was 943.00 more than the 5500 we got a year and a half ago. It is getting a 14' contractors dump with 2' high removable sides and a gang box behind the cab.
For just a little more, you can get alot more. With the GM track lease, payments on it will be just over $950.00 and after 5 years we pay a buck and it's ours.