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bobbygedd
09-18-2005, 11:39 AM
i have access to a company that does home improvements. he does everything from plumbing, to aluminum siding,painting, etc etc etc. i'm thinking about advertising this service to my exsisting customer base, for a very large piece of the pie. i know the guy does top quality work, and is insured. my logic is.....i have a client base, that i know uses services such as lawn care (of course), interior cleaning, as well as painters, roofers, and any other interior needs, so why not solicit these services to them? any drawbacks to this? opinions?

Nosmo
09-18-2005, 11:50 AM
Bobby you could act as an agent for the guy. Any jobs which he receives as a result from your reference could be paid on a commission basis to you.

bobbygedd
09-18-2005, 11:52 AM
Bobby you could act as an agent for the guy. Any jobs which he receives as a result from your reference could be paid on a commission basis to you.
i don't want a commision, i want to be an active participant, and get a large %

fga
09-18-2005, 11:54 AM
i've considered this several times, but i fear it will take away from the landscape image as my "thing". like, if i was going to be bidding a job, would they question landscape as my specialty..?

decks can be weaved in, but plumbing, etc. i wouldn't think so.

but hell, if it puts money in your pocket, by all means do it. money for doing nothing.. good deal.

Ric
09-18-2005, 11:57 AM
BooBy

I suggest you start by having him install indoor plumbing in your own house.

olderthandirt
09-18-2005, 12:02 PM
i've considered this several times, but i fear it will take away from the landscape image as my "thing". like, if i was going to be bidding a job, would they question landscape as my specialty..?

decks can be weaved in, but plumbing, etc. i wouldn't think so.

but hell, if it puts money in your pocket, by all means do it. money for doing nothing.. good deal.

Ditto ^^^^ Can't be a jack of all trades, it will give the wrong impression to your customers. But could you not get a vendors lisc. in your wifes name and make her owner of a "new" co. that offers these services. She would be acting as a broker/ partner in the new venture and since you would already know about who needs the services just run the idea to your customers through your wifes name first. If they don't bite on that offer let your buddy give them a price and take a % for a finders fee. 2 bites of the pie!

DLS1
09-18-2005, 12:11 PM
i have access to a company that does home improvements. he does everything from plumbing, to aluminum siding,painting, etc etc etc. i'm thinking about advertising this service to my exsisting customer base, for a very large piece of the pie. i know the guy does top quality work, and is insured. my logic is.....i have a client base, that i know uses services such as lawn care (of course), interior cleaning, as well as painters, roofers, and any other interior needs, so why not solicit these services to them? any drawbacks to this? opinions?

The first sign of a LCO not making it is trying to branch outside the lawn industry. Large piece of the pie for you is a free mullet styling at the local beauty saloon and six pack of beer. :D

freddyc
09-18-2005, 12:41 PM
After reading a few responses here, I will ake the other side....


If you don't market it as a major part of your business, I don't believe you will suffer from the appearance of too much diversity. I don't think "Bobbys Building Services" on a billboard will do well for your lawn business, but subtle hints to existing customers might offer some additional income for you. How you go about this would be important, but carrying a sawzall on your hip while your riding a Z might be a bad idea.

A lot of people like one stop shopping--if they didn't there wouldn't be malls or dept stores. So ther idea that the business model can't work is pure foolishness. Home depot specializes in nothing but sells billions.

One other thing to add is that residual work from handyman type services goes on all winter...if you're in a cold state, then extra income would have to be balanced against the loss of lawncare if you appear to be a jack of all trades. How much do you make in the winter time for sitting on your azz now???????

Either way, good luck.

bobbygedd
09-18-2005, 12:44 PM
The first sign of a LCO not making it is trying to branch outside the lawn industry. Large piece of the pie for you is a free mullet styling at the local beauty saloon and six pack of beer. :D
"making it?" what exactly is "making it" in your pitiful eyes? 50, 60, 70? 100? i am reaching a bit higher than the ground, thank you.

topsites
09-18-2005, 12:53 PM
"making it?" what exactly is "making it" in your pitiful eyes? 50, 60, 70? 100? i am reaching a bit higher than the ground, thank you.

I did notice your signature is gone :rolleyes:
Then again, so is mine.

DLS1
09-18-2005, 12:53 PM
"making it?" what exactly is "making it" in your pitiful eyes? 50, 60, 70? 100? i am reaching a bit higher than the ground, thank you.

How about 110, 120,130 160. But for you it is 1 2 3 6.

Ric
09-18-2005, 01:53 PM
The first sign of a LCO not making it is trying to branch outside the lawn industry. Large piece of the pie for you is a free mullet styling at the local beauty saloon and six pack of beer. :D

DLS

I believe you have hit the nail on the head. Doesn't matter what industry. Those who are making it in a business only desire to expand on that Idea. They are smart enough to stay with what works. They don't come up wild Ideas that are far out of there range of their services.

I do know of a very lazy but smart Pest Control guy that is about to make a few Million. He was just smart enough to put together the Termite Bait trap and the Ant Bait trap and patent it. He is now marketing that device and has some offers from the big boys. So simple an Idea yet so common sense it hurts, but he might just be set for life.

topsites
09-18-2005, 02:58 PM
Here's how I do things, and that is to do the SAME thing over and over and over again, yes, ad nauseaum. Why? Because practice makes perfect.

A guy once told me, if you've done ONE thing a thousand times over, you're getting pretty good. Once you've done it two or three thousand times, you should be an expert. He was a tree guy, he then told me how he learned to cut down big trees was he started out by cutting a thousand small ones first.

So, specialize in a few things, there are guys out there who do NOTHING but grass-cutting (only a few) and myself, 90+% is grass-cutting, thou I also do mulch, hedge trimming, and core aeration (lime/fert/seed). In the fall, you guessed it, there come the leaves but this I do not advertise, I merely include it for most of my regular customers.

Man, anymore than that above even if it still fits under lawncare, I spread myself too thin and don't do each thing enough and then I stand a chance of becoming a jack of all trades (the problem being, and a master of none).

The ONLY way you can stay profitable in business is to do the same thing (or few things) over and over and over until you are so GOOD you can get at least TWICE the work (three-to-four is better) done in the same time everyone else does it once, NOW you're raking it in.

As an example, how is mulch profitable? Well, when you can deliver and spread 5 cu.yards of mulch in 3-4 hours at a profit of 100 dollars, then do a trailer in the morning, a trailer in the afternoon (5 cu.yards each), the gross is $350 in a day, cost of mulch and fuel is about $110 then add another 40 or so for wear and tear, there's 200 dollars in 6-8 hours of work. But when I first started, I was lucky if I could spread 5 cu.yards in 4-5 hours, nevermind windshield time. So, you get better with time, I've likely done close to 500 cu.yards of mulch by now.

Keep coming up with hare brained ideas and one day you'll follow one through and it will burn your arse the same way grass-cutting burned me for a year or two until I got pretty good at it. Every new venture, every new specialty takes TIME to develop and it's just the same learning experience and you will not get rich quick, it's just the same-old same old all over.

So for all that it matters, you're just as well off (if not better) sticking to what you have and work on improving it, THAT will increase your bottom line and there is literally NO end to how far you can improve something... Just when I think I can't possibly squeeze anymore money out of grass-cutting, next thing you know I get another 20% or so out of it (but it can take a year of further practice to get this as well, or longer).

topsites
09-18-2005, 03:10 PM
I'm sorry that last post the math on the mulch was off, but just use it as an example which is what it was meant for.

mrusk
09-18-2005, 03:25 PM
bobby its acctually a great idea. When you cut grass you have a client base. The limits are endless to what you can market to them. If people have there lawns cut by a LCO they normally arn't poor.

You can even get into party tent rentals and things like that.

Matt

RedWingsDet
09-18-2005, 03:25 PM
my brother is in that business. next year, when I get my flyers passed out. He is giving me flyers too, and we're splitting the cost of it. For example, he pays for his flyers, I pay for mine. But we split the labor cost that I pay my guys to pass them out.

Branchland
09-18-2005, 03:33 PM
I have afriend that does construction. New and remodeling. We both have some of each others cards. We don't advertise with each other. If I'm talking to a customer and they ask if I know somebody that I can recommend to do some work I pass his card along. He does the same for me. It works out to a few jobs for each of us every year.

Envy Lawn Service
09-18-2005, 03:33 PM
Congrats on the connection Bobby.

To the nay sayers... I say... "Now that's entertainment." :D

I'll come back to discuss this new possibilty of a diversified venture with you later Bobby.

Meanwhile, all you nay-sayers should make a dash for the phone and transfer all your investment/retirement funds into one single stock.

RedWingsDet
09-18-2005, 03:37 PM
As an example, how is mulch profitable? Well, when you can deliver and spread 5 cu.yards of mulch in 3-4 hours at a profit of 100 dollars, then do a trailer in the morning, a trailer in the afternoon (5 cu.yards each), the gross is $350 in a day, cost of mulch and fuel is about $110 then add another 40 or so for wear and tear, there's 200 dollars in 6-8 hours of work. But when I first started, I was lucky if I could spread 5 cu.yards in 4-5 hours, nevermind windshield time. So, you get better with time, I've likely done close to 500 cu.yards of mulch by now.


you'd be supprised. my cousin owns a landscaping company. They go through 500 yards of mulch a month, yes 500 a month for about 7 straight months. And they are still not experts IMO.

Nosmo
09-18-2005, 03:38 PM
Bobby as an LCO.
Bobby as a vegetable vender.
Bobby as a representative in home improvements.

There is no limit what a person can spread out and involve himself in. But I can mention one I have no faith in and another I am suspicious about.

Six months ago I bought some of that hair restore stuff in pill form. I was not bald headed , just some receding in the front. For about the last month each morning a few hairs fall off on the comb. hmmmmmmm. I sure am glad I didn't go for the baloney about male enhancement pills.

:p :p

Nosmo

olderthandirt
09-18-2005, 03:53 PM
Congrats on the connection Bobby.

To the nay sayers... I say... "Now that's entertainment." :D

I'll come back to discuss this new possibilty of a diversified venture with you later Bobby.

Meanwhile, all you nay-sayers should make a dash for the phone and transfer all your investment/retirement funds into one single stock.

Envy,
Rather be invested in 1 good single stock than be diversified in a bunch of underachieving penny stocks, remember junk bonds are usually called that for a reason.

DLS1
09-18-2005, 07:14 PM
Meanwhile, all you nay-sayers should make a dash for the phone and transfer all your investment/retirement funds into one single stock.

That comparison makes no sense whatsoever. :dizzy: :dizzy:

DLS1
09-18-2005, 07:23 PM
Congrats on the connection Bobby.

To the nay sayers... I say... "Now that's entertainment." :D

I'll come back to discuss this new possibilty of a diversified venture with you later Bobby.


Booby can't handle being a LCO much less going into another industry. But i do have a few business suggestions that fits his style and ties in with his very small customer base.

1. Pet doodoo removal business
2. Septic tank doodoo removal business.
3. Fresh doodoo fertilizer business.

He can cleanup their doodoo and sell it back to them :D :D

Cigarcop
09-18-2005, 07:38 PM
Gedd,

You should, it would probably get you more court room experience.

Ric
09-18-2005, 08:16 PM
That comparison makes no sense whatsoever. :dizzy: :dizzy:


DLS

We are on the same page. But I figured Why Waste my KeyBoard. But I will agree a real businessman could operate two different business. I don't think BooBy has a snowballs chance of selling home improvement additions as part of his Lawn service. Maybe he could network with the guy and get a finders fee.

DynaMow
09-18-2005, 11:46 PM
Well here is my take. I have had thoughts before of having 20, 30, 40 accounts that I do everything they need (I can pretty much do anything around the house, lucky like that). I think that would be possible, probable, and profitable.

My accounts see that I do good work, on the outside of their house. Trust me to do the same inside, if I say I can. I have customers that ask me to do other stuff then landscaping. Plus sometimes I get to paint a room in someones house ( I love to paint) and I can do it after it gets dark and outside work must stop.

Nosmo
09-19-2005, 08:43 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Envy Lawn Service
Meanwhile, all you nay-sayers should make a dash for the phone and transfer all your investment/retirement funds into one single stock.

Quote: DLS1
That comparison makes no sense whatsoever.

What Envy is saying is this - if you think being diversified in your businesses (more than one) is not a good idea then
spreading out your investments is not good either so put all them into only one stock.

Nosmo

Ric
09-19-2005, 09:43 AM
Yo

I just got some inside Info from Bro BooBy this morning on AOL messenger. Turns out this Big Time Remodeling Contractor is the same sucker Oops guy that is his new consult client in the mowing business. I believe this changes My whole perspective on the Idea.

Yes I Now think he can work this angle into his business plan. While Image is an important factor I think Bro BooBy Could work up a fine business Image age and call his Business "Bro BooBy's Handyman and Mowing." Or "Bro BooBy's One Stop Home maintenance" The Idea of adding Home Services is unlimited. "Widow" washing:D and Pressure cleaning and even maid service all marketed under one name. The True one stop shopping for all your Honey Do Needs. Grocery shopping, Dogie Do Do clean up, Chittling to Go and the list goes on. Look Out Service Master The Master Baiter of LS is headed your way. Bro any chance of Buying stock before you go public????

PMLAWN
09-19-2005, 11:11 AM
I went the other way in that I used to do handyman work and rehab, Added landscape services about 5 years ago and really started pushing it about 3 years back.
I believe it is a good mix. I do not do anything that requires a license (plumbing-electric)
I have found that the handyman stuff has a higher profit margin to it.
I am going to do less landscape maintenance next year and work a lot with Real Estate agents to get listings ready for sale, both landscape and handyman.
It has proven to produce the most profit and works much better with allowing free time to be with my family as I don't have to be on a route each and every day.
I do have many contacts in the field so it works well.
Bobby, do I remember that your wife is in the real estate field?
Maybe try that route. Good luck and remember that it always flows down hill.

Nosmo
09-19-2005, 09:09 PM
Bobby is not the first person to have multi-trades in mind or just being a Jack of all Trades.

Jethro on the Beverly Hillbillies was going to make something out of himself someday but still had not made up his mind between a brain surgeon or a soda jerk.

fcl01
09-19-2005, 11:18 PM
theres nothing wrong with going in different directions.
just keep it quiet and dont let the customers know you have your hands in both.
customers do like a specialist better than a jack of all trades. but who says you cant wet your beak by "getting in" on another venture? :waving:

Runner
09-19-2005, 11:41 PM
I say get into a kickback/commision agreement, and let the rest go. If you're GOOD in the green industry, there is no need and no time to even THINK about anything else. For instance, if you have time to branch off and do other things, why would you NOT market chemical or installs. There is just way too much money to be made in these. If you did either of these full time, you wouldn't even be THINKING of anything else. If there is success, you don't change it. If there is something that could use improvement, such as income and/or workload, then yes, make some changes. People in different occupations do different things for more income. Police officers, firefighters, and several other occupations do things not just for the income, but for the calling. These guys also go out and do things like lawn maintenance on the side to supplement it. They do THIS for income. A guy that is a self employed electrician, a doctor, an attorney, does NOT go out and do things like lawn work for the MONEY. Like I say, if you have time to "dabble" in other things, then you are not doing something right. There is just too much income in this to be doing something else. Perfect one biz, so you are making MULTI before you go on to something else.

PMLAWN
09-20-2005, 03:48 PM
I say get into a kickback/commision agreement, and let the rest go. If you're GOOD in the green industry, there is no need and no time to even THINK about anything else. For instance, if you have time to branch off and do other things, why would you NOT market chemical or installs. There is just way too much money to be made in these. If you did either of these full time, you wouldn't even be THINKING of anything else. If there is success, you don't change it. If there is something that could use improvement, such as income and/or workload, then yes, make some changes. People in different occupations do different things for more income. Police officers, firefighters, and several other occupations do things not just for the income, but for the calling. These guys also go out and do things like lawn maintenance on the side to supplement it. They do THIS for income. A guy that is a self employed electrician, a doctor, an attorney, does NOT go out and do things like lawn work for the MONEY. Like I say, if you have time to "dabble" in other things, then you are not doing something right. There is just too much income in this to be doing something else. Perfect one biz, so you are making MULTI before you go on to something else.

You do make a good point. There is another way people enjoy making money and that can be the building and running of businesses. It than becomes the business of business and not what the business is doing so much. Not that this is Bobby's goal. Also some people only have a short attention span of a few years and than they want to do something different.
That being said, the answer to this question than depends more on the person's wants than what someone else thinks about the plan.
The question has to go back to Bobby- Are you able to add this on and are you able to do the work??

AintNoFun
09-20-2005, 06:26 PM
[QUOTE=Ric]Turns out this Big Time Remodeling Contractor is the same sucker Oops guy that is his new consult client in the mowing business.[QUOTE]


yea what happened to the consultation business?

bobbygedd
09-20-2005, 07:45 PM
[QUOTE=Ric]Turns out this Big Time Remodeling Contractor is the same sucker Oops guy that is his new consult client in the mowing business.[QUOTE]


yea what happened to the consultation business?
it's moving along nicely. why, you interested?

Nosmo
09-21-2005, 07:29 AM
A few years back in the late 1980's a group of lawyers here bought up a lot of real estate for investment purposes. Much of it was residental rent houses. This situation is one which would fit right in with what Bobby is talking about.

Rental property -- someone is going to have to see that the property is maintained. Aha a new job title for someone . Property Manager.

This is just what Bobby is looking for. He oversees the lawn care and upkeep for these properties. Now when a problem arises -- for example a leaking pipe it is Bobby's responsibility to either fix it or have it fixed. Probably in most locales he would have to call in a licensed plumber.

But for taking care of all the problems and lawn care he would receive an agreed upon sum of money and be reimbursed for all direct expenses such as the plumber in the above paragraph. In this scenario with several properties involved the income could be a tidy sum.

Nosmo

bobbygedd
09-21-2005, 07:37 AM
nosmo has a brain, what happened to the rest of you guys? as far as " can i do the work?" ha ha ha, NO! i'm afraid i have no ability whatsoever when it comes to fixing things. i can't even paint. this past winter, i hired a painter to do the inside of my house. i can however, sell. i'm a great seller. i also can "assist". you know, be a high paid "gofor", or "hold this while i nail it in place." anyhow, i got even e newer idea. the home repair thing will go into effect nov. 1st. my tomato stand goes in next july. how bout a hot dog stand?

PMLAWN
09-21-2005, 07:50 AM
A few years back in the late 1980's a group of lawyers here bought up a lot of real estate for investment purposes. Much of it was residental rent houses. This situation is one which would fit right in with what Bobby is talking about.

Rental property -- someone is going to have to see that the property is maintained. Aha a new job title for someone . Property Manager.

This is just what Bobby is looking for. He oversees the lawn care and upkeep for these properties. Now when a problem arises -- for example a leaking pipe it is Bobby's responsibility to either fix it or have it fixed. Probably in most locales he would have to call in a licensed plumber.

But for taking care of all the problems and lawn care he would receive an agreed upon sum of money and be reimbursed for all direct expenses such as the plumber in the above paragraph. In this scenario with several properties involved the income could be a tidy sum.

Nosmo
This is the exact gig that I run and yes it pays very well.
The tag on our name is "property maintenance services", It allows for a large scope.
As I clicked on this thread I saw Bobbys "hot dog" thread so now I have to go see what is next in the ever expanding, always imaginative mind of Bobby

Nosmo
09-22-2005, 02:34 PM
See there -- Bobby admitted he is no handyman but he has the skills of selling and seeing that things get done. He would be good at property management because he can handle people. Don't know how many folks he has working for him but I'll be he gets everyone of them to do what he wants done.

Now as far as the Hot Dog Stand (portable cart) he'll probably do just fine with that one too. No cooking skills involved at all --- just keep the buns and wieners good and hot. Plenty of mustard, onions, maybe chili etc.

I don't know how skilled Bobby would be at getting the Monkey with the purple bell hop hat to make change out of the tin cup. But that's not much of a problem cause I have seen organ grinders with monkeys taking in the money.

Nosmo

Ric
09-22-2005, 03:03 PM
See there -- Bobby admitted he is no handyman but he has the skills of selling and seeing that things get done. He would be good at property management because he can handle people. Don't know how many folks he has working for him but I'll be he gets everyone of them to do what he wants done.

Now as far as the Hot Dog Stand (portable cart) he'll probably do just fine with that one too. No cooking skills involved at all --- just keep the buns and wieners good and hot. Plenty of mustard, onions, maybe chili etc.

I don't know how skilled Bobby would be at getting the Monkey with the purple bell hop hat to make change out of the tin cup. But that's not much of a problem cause I have seen organ grinders with monkeys taking in the money.

Nosmo


Nosmo

I can see Bro BooBy in his Bikini now standing on the corner Hawking Pygmy size Hot Dogs Now. :D

olderthandirt
09-22-2005, 05:27 PM
Nosmo

I can see Bro BooBy in his Bikini now standing on the corner Hawking Pygmy size Hot Dogs Now. :D

With a big ol shiney gold tooth

Nosmo
09-22-2005, 07:29 PM
I knew a guy who put himself through college in Chicago by operating a Pop Corn Stand (cart). He was telling me the story back in the mid 60's. He must have done it in the late 20's or early 30's .

When he graduated he sold the business to another young man who was a college student.

In a small operation like this pop corn or hot dogs location is a big key. High traffic areas (foot traffic) are just about a must.

Nosmo

AintNoFun
09-22-2005, 08:45 PM
i picked up a customer last year who had a very nice newly built house with no landscaping. we wound up landscaping it this year and he spent over 15g doing so. come to find out he has 3 lunch trucks... gotta be some money in it...