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Stringblade
09-29-2005, 08:37 PM
how do you guys go about measuring steps for versalock? is there a simple formula? ive never done steps over five. now i have to put in a bid for a large case. thanks for your help.

PAPS Landscape Design
09-29-2005, 09:18 PM
total inches of your rise divide it by 6.0'', if your matching coarses you would be making a 6'' step with the standard versa-lok block.

example : 12 ft rise = 144 inches. 144 divide by 6.0'' = 24 steps

mbella
09-29-2005, 09:31 PM
I'll tell you how I do it. I take the lineal feet of each riser, multiply it by .5(6" rise) and divide that by .67 (approx. sq. ft. of each Versa Lok stretcher). Finally, multiply that number by how many stacks there are in that rise.

Example: A set of steps that are 6' wide. The first riser is 6" above ground level or pavement. There are two stacks in that riser; the exposed riser and the buried course. Lineal feet =6', height of each rise=.5', sq.ft of each block=.67, and stacks = 2 (base course+exposed course).

6(lineal feet of riser)*.5(height of block)=3
3/.67(sq.ft. of each block)=4.47 or 4.5
4.5* 2(stacks)=9

You need 9 block to install 1 riser for a 6' wide step.

The second riser woud have 3 stacks, the third would have 4 stacks and so on.

neversatisfiedj
09-29-2005, 09:31 PM
Yep and after 5 steps you want to create another pedistal.

mbella
09-29-2005, 09:34 PM
I thought you wanted to know how to estimate the block where the number of risers was known. Either way, PAPS explained how to figure the number of risers and I explained how to estimate the block.

Stringblade
09-29-2005, 10:41 PM
do all of you use the pedestol method? I usually just cut in as i go laying a two sets of block for each course. does anyone do that?

mbella
09-29-2005, 10:46 PM
We use the pedestal method.

neversatisfiedj
09-30-2005, 07:24 AM
Versa-lok recommends pedistal method.

mrusk
09-30-2005, 07:44 AM
I think they recommend that method so they sell more block. When i build stairs i do not do it that way. I have 1 course in the ground then the riser.

I can not think of any reason why the pedstal method would be better.

Matt

mbella
09-30-2005, 07:48 AM
I think they recommend that method so they sell more block. When i build stairs i do not do it that way. I have 1 course in the ground then the riser.

I can not think of any reason why the pedstal method would be better.

Matt

Matt, I recommend it because it's easier and it's a stronger application. When I compare the dollars saved on labor vs. the dollars spent on extra block, it's not much different.

bigviclbi
09-30-2005, 06:41 PM
I've done both. pedestal seems stronger and quicker, but you definately use alot of block.

mrusk
09-30-2005, 07:41 PM
What do you guys do when its 10 steps? Do you do 1 big pedstal or 2 smaller ones?

Matt

mbella
09-30-2005, 08:31 PM
Matt, usually, we are only installing three or four risers. At some point, I would make another if it made sense.

I believe Chris (CGLAND) installed a thirteen riser set utilizing the pedestal method. I know he had some good pics.

cgland
09-30-2005, 09:41 PM
Search for the post under my name..Tall A$$ Pedestal or Tall A$$ steps. I have some pics posted there.

Chris

Stringblade
10-01-2005, 12:16 AM
the steps that i have installed have a little movement when you walk on them. nothing major but enough that you can feel is that normal or is that why the pedestal is recomended?

mbella
10-01-2005, 06:17 AM
the steps that i have installed have a little movement when you walk on them. nothing major but enough that you can feel is that normal or is that why the pedestal is recomended?

Not normal. There shouldn't be any movement. That never happens with the pedestal.