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neighborguy
10-10-2005, 02:57 PM
I know prices are different from region to region, but I was underbid by almost 50% on a project. This leaves me to believe that I was wacked on my pricing. SO I have to ask about how much per square foot do you guys charge to install a bluestone patio. Here is the situation.

1 1/2" - 2" thick New York Bluestone

250 sq ft

No equipment access to excavate.

Thanks in advance.

I can accept that I lost the bid but not by that much.

knoma
10-10-2005, 04:43 PM
I work with penn. blue stone (flagstone) if I may, can I inquire of your cost per square foot of product?

treedoc1
10-10-2005, 04:48 PM
I would have bid no lower than $6,000 for a normal level installation with a normal 6" excavation for the base, no fancy cuts, just a rectangle. Debris disposal extra, Downspout relocation extra.

Costs around here run just under $4 a square foot for clean pattern flagstone.

motoraced
10-10-2005, 06:30 PM
concrete or dust?

PAPS Landscape Design
10-10-2005, 07:30 PM
I'd be like $16-20 a sq. for a dry laid application on this job.
Wet laid, would be alot more...

so range it about: $4000.00 - $5000.00

treedoc1
10-11-2005, 08:00 AM
dust...concrete is $1000.00 additional

motoraced
10-11-2005, 09:51 PM
24sf for DUST?? wow..i can and do it for 12sf in the same area youre in.

mbella
10-11-2005, 10:04 PM
24sf for DUST?? wow..i can and do it for 12sf in the same area youre in.

Treedoc's getting twice as much as you in the same market. I wouldn't brag.
My pricing is in line with Treedoc's.

AGLA
10-11-2005, 10:56 PM
My area is the same pricing as PAPS, and an extra $1,000 for wet laid on a 4" concrete slab.

treedoc1
10-12-2005, 08:36 AM
Motoraced...you are leaving a huge amount of money on the table.

Who will do that kind of work if you don't? You should know every competitor in your area and how far out every one is booked. If I slide below 4-6 weeks out, I might offer a small (10%) discount for booking that week, but the customer always sees the original price with a discount line item that is time sensitive, never just a discounted price.

I charge the same amount for pavers also. Just because I can do them faster, its my benefit, not the client.

I sell the job at a certain cost per sq ft and the client gets their choice of surface...no extra charge for them...no time consuming cost calculations for me.

If I lose some paver work to less experienced guys...no loss, I still retain all the natural stone work. Then when the job nears completion you upsell the landscaping and lighting to the job...more money not left on the table.

motoraced
10-12-2005, 06:59 PM
i wasnt braggin mbella...
i always knew landscapers charged more than stone contractors, but thats a big difference. i also know what stone contractors charge in this area as we are quite friendly with eachother. are you doing the work yourself or contracting out...
also, which may be where this difference is coming from, what scale of work are you doing, b/c a smal walkway or patio for a home owner, sure, then i would charge that too, (thats pa flag and local fieldstone) but when you get into large 100K plus, price does go down. our number are prolly the same in the end, but we just figure them out differntly as i shoot the property to then figure out any excavation needed.

mbella
10-12-2005, 11:20 PM
Motoraced, I didn't quite follow your post completely, but to answer a couple of your questions: First, currently, I have two dedicated hardscape crews, not landscape crews. Second, how much of a difference does the size of the job effect price when dry laying flagstone? For me, not much.

If your crew can set x amount of flagstone per hour, then you need to charge y amount of dollars for that amount of flagstone. If you bid a job with 10,000 sq.ft. of dry lay flag, why does your charge per man hour charge change significantly vs. a 1,000 sq. ft. job?

motoraced
10-13-2005, 10:35 AM
nevermind.

neversatisfiedj
10-13-2005, 11:09 AM
Maybe his men slow down on bigger jobs ? :-(

mbella
10-13-2005, 11:27 PM
nevermind.

Thanks for saving me the confusion.