View Full Version : Can we help answer any questions about H2B?

Marcus Drake Consultants
10-07-2005, 07:38 PM
We would be please to try and answer or assist with questions about H2B.

10-07-2005, 08:20 PM
Never needed H2B yet but what is the process to getting them. How early should you apply, how much does it cost, does the lco pay Workman's comp even though they are not from USA, what happens if the h2b doesn't like lawn work and quits do you get another person free of charge, etc.

Since they are not from USA I assume you don't pay 7.5% social security to federal government and their 7.5% social security from the h2b persons check.

Howard Roark
10-07-2005, 11:52 PM
I'll be the first with a question.

First off, welcome.

I keep reading about such a shortage of these employees to our market. What information can you give regarding this?

Also what advice would you give to lawnsite members who wish to obtain these employees for next year, as I did read on your website about a 4 month time frame?

Another great post from you would be some general information, not about what you do, but more importantly about the process of obtaining employees (I.E. timelines, costs, quality of the worker, they're housing...etc.) and what exactly to expect once they get here.

Thanks much!

10-08-2005, 12:59 PM
whats the costs look like?

Marcus Drake Consultants
10-08-2005, 01:09 PM
Thank you.
There is a huge shortage of willing eager workers in the USA. It is extremely difficult to obtain season labor. Most people are not willing to take a job for a limited time. In foreign countries there are many many people who want to work and need to work. Because of political, economic reasons there are not enough jobs to be had there. Most are young, head of household and there is no way for them to come here legally. The H2B guest worker program will provide them with a USA work visa. They can only work in seasonal businesses i.e. landscape, hotels, resorts and the like. Upon their arrival they can get a social security card and be put on your payroll as your legal workers. They PAY taxes. They DO NOT TAKE JOBS AWAY FROM AMERICANS. You can only be granted the people after you have completed a job search for Americans first. If an American wants the job you must hire him first !
The process is complecated and takes about 4 months. The costs: We charge a processing fee to the employers as low as $100 per person for 10 or more. Inaddition, the employer must pay for an ad placed in the local newspaper for 3 days looking for Americans to fill the job. There is a filing fee to the USCIS (formally the name of the INS). $1185 per application. This fee is not for each person it is for the group.
Recap. if you wanted 10 men it would be10 x 100 =$1000
USCIS 1185
Plus the newspaper ad
so total $2185 plus ad.
Other lawyers, recruiters fees vary but are usually much higher than ours. We have been associated with the green industry for a long time and understand your needs. We know that it is not reasonable to ask for say $5000 up front to get a group of men that you do not know about. We therefor ask the candidate to pay a small fee to get a job and a visa to work in the USA. This way only serious people apply and they have a vested interest in doing a good job. If they do they can come back year after year. At the end of their 9 or 10 month visa they must go back to their home country. You can only have them for your peak season. This is another advantage no layoffs.. spring you get the same people back.
Housing.. you are not required to house them. but they are coming from a foreign country and know nothing about your area. We need you to help them find a place to stay. They will share space and they want to stay as cheaply as possible. They are here to send money home.
Quality.. most are great and I mean they will make your life a dream. Some are worthless and you fire them as you would with any other dead beat.
Since they invested in this I think most really try hard.
I will give you more info please look at our website Q & A .
Marcus Drake

Marcus Drake Consultants
10-09-2005, 11:56 AM
All legal workers must be covered by workmans compensation. They must get a Social Security card but the do not contribute since they will never collect. They are by definition seasonal temporary workers. If you don't like them fire them like any other worker.
Marcus Drake

Marcus Drake Consultants
10-12-2005, 09:31 PM
If you guys would like to get qualified seasonal workers for the spring it is time to begin the filing now.
We have great guys to work in the green industry especially lawn and tree care, hardscape or where labor is needed.. reliable , hardworking, People that want to work !
Please contact Marcus Drake Consultants for the details. We make the process very easy.
Marcus Drake

10-14-2005, 09:33 PM
I filled out a form on your website and have had no response from your company.

Marcus Drake Consultants
10-15-2005, 05:16 PM
Sorry, this was not received. We are having some problems with that site. Please call us toll free 1 888 544 9122 or email marcusdrakeh2b@yahoo.com or fax a copy to 1-201-930-9122
Marcus Drake

10-16-2005, 01:07 AM

Which fees are recurrent year after year?

Do they have to be gauranteed full time hours for each worker each week?

What happens if they quit? I saw on the site that they cannot work for anyone else.

Please define "prevailing wage" as the site reads.

Thank you

Marcus Drake Consultants
10-16-2005, 10:48 AM
All the fees are to be paid for each season. If you look at them the fees are really reasonable. We charge for 10 or more only $100 per person! The Gov't is $1185 for the group. Less than $200 per person to get the same legal worker back year after year! (cost of newspaper ad is additional . I do not have the cost for a 3 day ad in your local paper)
Yes, they are to work full time. 40 hrs/ per ...
If they leave, they must go back to Mexico or their home country.
Prevailing wage is: a wage that the Dept of Labor determines is the average wage being paid for that job in your area. It is not the minimum wage. We could look it up and advise. Usually in the $8 range.
If you would like people for the 06 season, you must start filing now.

10-16-2005, 09:51 PM
Without a doubt those are very fair prices. I was very pleased with what I saw on your site. Welcome to Lawnsite.

Does the ad have to be run every season to receive workers each year?

If the employer runs the ad and gets a couple applicants, but none of them are quality enough, how is that handled? I would assume they would have to take what they could get, wouldn't they?

Thanks Marcus

Marcus Drake Consultants
10-16-2005, 10:21 PM
The main idea is that this program does not take any jobs for Americans. Also, the sponsoring company is not and I repeat is not paying the foreign workers less money than American workers. You must pay prevailing wages.
Sorry the ad must be run every year. We write the approved ad in a very special way. Yes , you need to hire Americans that respond and are willing to take the job. We can help you with that. Sometimes, the job will not sound so attractive to them. Consider the fact that the ad is run a long time before the job is available. Futher, it is a temporary job and there are other factors that I share with my clients.
That part of the process is not so scary. Really, I know that the use of these people greatly helps companies grow.
This is not to say that American guys are not good it is just that there are not enough willing or available workers to do the necessary entry level jobs. Try staffing a hotel that needs 90 housekeepers. We supply them for casinos , resorts, golf courses and etc.
The demand for the people this year is very strong...don't be left out !

10-17-2005, 09:37 PM
Do you have any information on how current illegal immigrants can get a visa so they can get a drivers license and be legal? Do they need to have a close relative that is an american citizen? Thanks,


10-17-2005, 11:37 PM

If I have business in more than one state do I need to do (and pay for) two different sets of paperwork, or can they all come in one group?

Marcus Drake Consultants
10-18-2005, 12:10 AM
The only chance is if they marry an American. The government feels they will not extend visas to people that have broken the law and entered our country illegally. However, from time to time it has happened in the past. Currently, there has been more discussion to legalize the millions of illegals. But don't hold your breath.

Marcus Drake Consultants
10-18-2005, 12:13 AM
If the business is located in one state and the workers travel to other states and then return, this has to be indicated on the forms that we file.
If the business is actually located in other states , we must file for each state.
None of the above is a problem, it just must be handled correctly.

10-18-2005, 03:18 AM
If the business is located in one state and the workers travel to other states and then return, this has to be indicated on the forms that we file.
If the business is actually located in other states , we must file for each state.
None of the above is a problem, it just must be handled correctly.

By, "we must file for each state", does that mean you pay the $1185 for each state?

Thanks for all of your help

Marcus Drake Consultants
10-18-2005, 05:24 PM
If it is a sparate business in each state you must pay that amount to the USCIS. Not per person but for the entire group.

Howard Roark
10-20-2005, 01:52 AM
"If they leave, they must go back to Mexico or their home country. "

Does this mean basically they cannot quit to go with another company for more money after we paid to get them here?

Marcus Drake Consultants
10-20-2005, 04:01 PM
That is correct ! However , if they are not treated as promised they will run. If they leave they are illegal. They must return to their country at the end of the visa.

10-21-2005, 09:53 PM
Marcus, do the rates you've posted include premium processing?

Marcus Drake Consultants
10-22-2005, 12:51 AM
Sorry , it does not include that. The cost of $100 per man (for 10 or more) is very reasonable, considering the work to do the processing. We feel the worker should have a vested interest in his future, so we do charge the worker a small fee. I find the people coming in are now more serious and try harder than someone that get's all this for free.
Anyone considering H2B personnel for the spring of 06 must file now. This is a complicated process and it does take 4 months.

10-22-2005, 01:02 AM
Marcus, do you encourage your landscape clientele to pay for premium processing?

Marcus Drake Consultants
10-22-2005, 11:23 AM
Your application will not be processed without it. You must pay this fee. It has become part of the process.

10-22-2005, 12:56 PM
Marcus, thanks. That's what I thought. However, I didn't see it listed with the fees you posted, so I thought maybe something changed.

Thanks again.

10-23-2005, 02:00 PM
What if you do not need 10 or more employees. I need only 3. So is it the INS fee plus 1K? Who is responsible for the travel and if you get a sour grape do you replace them like other H2B companies?

Marcus Drake Consultants
10-23-2005, 03:13 PM
Yes, it is our fee plus the USCIS fee. Please understand that it is a lot work and basically the same for 1 or 500 people. They pay for the travel from their country. We usually replace them if at all possible.

10-24-2005, 10:15 PM
We have four H2B guys that have just arrived. None of the four had lawn experience. Could we travel to Mexica and interview guys at that end? Would it be dumb for us to put the names of some of our other non-H2B guys on list to bring over next year....since they are returnig to Mexico for winter. These guys have SS cards and ID but we don't know if they are legal. They paid taxes this year. And do I understand that H2B guys don't have to pay SS?? The reason we just got our workers was that quota was reached before our name came up even though we had paper work in Oct.

10-24-2005, 10:24 PM
Marcus, I believe you posted that you charge the workers a small fee. How much do you directly charge the workers?

Marcus Drake Consultants
10-24-2005, 10:25 PM
We have many companies that come down and select their men. We arrange the whole thing. We get a pool of men that we think would be good and you can pick the best of the bunch ! Yes, you can also give us names of men that are returning and/or their friends or relatives. We are pleased to help you any way that we can. I might not get back to you soon as I am leaving for the Orient but will check in periodically. Feel free to call our offices and speak to any of our staff. We are making changes on our web site soon you can fill in the application and email it or questions to us from there.
Thanks for the questions.

Marcus Drake Consultants
10-24-2005, 10:28 PM
It depends on the country and the size of the group. Generally $300-$500. I think this is fair to get a visa and a job in the USA. Here employment agencies charge a lot more. Remember, someone willing to make an investment in their future will be a better worker than one that gets it for free.

10-24-2005, 10:31 PM
Marcus, is that per worker? What does the candidate receive for that fee?

10-25-2005, 08:08 AM

I can just image how you feel answering of all the questions, it is probably similar to how we feel talking to an owner. You go round a round in circles.

Marcus Drake Consultants
10-25-2005, 09:26 AM
It is my pleasure. I have no problem helping. I like the business and the results.

landcare pa
10-27-2005, 09:02 PM
noel i havent received my paperwork yet and left 2 messages is everything okay? please pm cant send any pm`s for some reason
thanks rob

10-27-2005, 09:57 PM
Marcus, is that fee (worker paid fee) range you posted a per worker fee? What does the worker receive for that fee?

Marcus Drake Consultants
10-28-2005, 12:04 AM
We do their paperwork and help them get thru the process. We get them a job and a visa.