hydraulics licences

[zim bob the landscaper]

i was woundering if anyone had the info to get the hydralics licencea for operating loaders bulldozers excevators ect. and were to go to get the licence
if anyone has the info it would be great if you could post it

THANKS ALOT

[SodKing]

At the ripe age of 13 you cannot get one. You first need a commercial drivers license.

[vntgrcr]

I am about to send my app. in for my hoising tag and didn't see anything about needing a cdl. Did I miss it? Thanks
David

[Mdirrigation]

There is no license required in this state

[Tigerotor77W]

Yup, depends on the state.

[Itsgottobegreen]

There is no license required in this state
Yep one thing Maryland hasn't screwed up yet.
BTW I used to live in Walpole, MA so I know about the hydraulic license. A pain to get.

[zim bob the landscaper]

yes i know i cant get one but i was asking for my dad he already has his class A cdl licences and wants the hydraulic licence too so if u have any info it would be great and anything would be appreciated

THANKS

[UNISCAPER]

I am not at all a supporter of labor unions, but if you contact your local union hall, (I believe local 150 or 151 operating engineers) and tell them what you are seeking to gain, they have all the classes and safety programs available to insturct and certify you on any mass of iron you need to be certified for. They are hoping for a new member, you want training. Fair trade, just don't turn yourself into a liberal whackopath in the process.

I'm sure the union representative would be more than happy to show you the ropes.

[playnindirt]

In Mass you do not need a cdl to get a hoisting liscence. If you want a school call the Peterson school they are in Woburn and Westwood they have a short couse like 3 classes and then you go for the liscense

[Gravel Rat]

You mean you need a license to run a piece of excavation equipment ?

You guys have more rules and regulations down there you wonder how anybody can make any money.

I know your "suppose" to have a license to run a crane truck more so for trucks with Pitman cranes (stiff hydraulic booms) where as with Hiabs (knuckle booms) its not that critical.

I'am not a big fan of unions either there are many non union operators that are not certified that are far better operators than guys with tickets that have no clue. Just because they have a ticket its something to cover their azz when they screw up.

[UNISCAPER]

Gravel Rat:

You don't need a license at all. However, we have this ridiculous thing called a labor union here. And, their game is that is they see a non union contractor working, they picket the jobsite and act like a bunch of idiots. Then if the non union contactor laves their equipment on site at night, things like acid down an exhaust stack occur. Sand in gas tanks, and broken windows are very common.

The one thing the unions do is drive up costs and create political action commitees, which members get money deducted from their salaries, even if they don't support the candidates the unions give money to.

I'm lucky enough to be in a state where they require licenses to operate business, but the equipment operators don't have to be union or licensed. In and around Chicago, or San Fran, or any of themajor cities,m you carry a brain dead union card or simply put, you don't work. In this day and age, good employees are hard to get, so there is no employer I know not willing to pay a decent wage. At ths point all we do by sending in dues is support the union infrastructure(company cars for union reps, strip club memberships, rips to Vegas, etc)

[Gravel Rat]

Oh thats bull**** if that happened here those union freaks would find themselves in a deep hole that they never could get out of lets say a early burial. Every excavation contractor that works in this area is non union and we all believe in unions are nothing but **** disturbers.

The equipment operators that work for non union companies make more money per hour and treated a h*ll of allot better.

[UNISCAPER]

Thaat is the way it should be here, but, alas, is not. I'm not opposed to paying anyone a fair decent salary as long as they produce for the company. It's only fair. But, in a union environment, the unfortunate poart is the slackers are the ones who abuse the union rules and are protected. Just like teachers tenure. A teacher in the union works 2 years, then is basically gauranteed a job for life.

Anyhow, we have an awesome country with too many special interest groups. Simple as that.

[Gravel Rat]

The unions do have a big problem with lazy people the ones that would probably get fired if they were working for a non union company.

[Signature Landscaping1]

You have to be 18 to get ur hydraulics liscense

[Dirt_Werx]

in order to get your hoisting/hydraulics license here in MA you must be 18, there is no need for any form of CDL, its only a written test and in most cases you need some form of endorsement from an already licensed operator, i myself dont have it due to age but i work for a large excavating CO. and would be happy to ask my boss or any of the other guys if any more info is needed

[n2h20]

uni.. you are you saying you need to have this license in california to operate any piece of equipment with hyrdros or you will get hassled? I never knew that...... I have been thinking of getting a compact tractor of some sort so that is good to know.

[UNISCAPER]

N2H20:

Any job you do in the state of California that is over $500.00 in total cost, requires a license with the designation of the job you are doing. If that compact tractor you want to get does work and it costs over $500.00, depending on what it did, you would require that license designation. If you were doing a job and all that it entailed was grading, you would require a A class engineering license. If that grading was part of a landscape job you were doing, or say you were building a pond and had to grade the land after the pond was in, you could get away with a C-27 landscape license.

Say you were called and someone wanted you to create a level pad for a home to be built on, and that pad required a certain amount of soil compaction, you would once again need an engineering license.

It's not just for hydros. It's for any job regardless of what that job or parts of any job may be, over $500.00 in total cost.

[n2h20]

awww. so a contractors lisence of that field would be sufficent?
I plan on gettting my c27 soon. I am working on my class b cdl now, then the c27.

[Scag48]

Now I know why I never want to live in Cali, they make you guys jump through WAY too many hoops. I'm sure the business is quite lucrative but there has to be a line that needs to be drawn.

[UNISCAPER]

Scag:

Having worked in Illinois for many years, and 15 other states that had or had no license program, I have to say, I'll never go back to a non licensed state. Too many whack and hacks who have no business being in business let alone screwing up our great industry are there in other states. It's kind of like when you see some idiot going into the supply yard asking for 3 scoops of mason sand and having it loaded into a Toyota Tacoma, or like a landscape maintenance contractor asking if it's Ok to pull his new 20' enclosed trailer with a 4 cylinder Ford Ranger kind of thing everywhere else.
True we have a terrible illegal alien problem. We have illegals who belong in jail standing on every street corner near supply houses, sleeping in fields, ready and armed to go to work. They will do anything from raking leaves, landscape labor to dental work for $10.00 an hour.
I have actually given bids to boob jobs living in 2 million dollar houses who call back and tell me what a great company we have, they would like to use us, but, they can't afford us. A 2 million dollar house, a pair of matched boob job mobiles (BMW's) in the driveway and they can't afford us....That's insulting and I tell them so before I tell them not to bother calling us back.
On average, complete landscape/hardscape on a 2mm home is going to hit $200K (10% of the homes appraised value) regardless of specific items in the bid. So after all that they call back and ask me if I could charge them the foremens rate so we could manage their guys.... THEIR GUYS?????????
I say sure, set the start date, tell boarder patrol what is going on, and they swing by with a dozen guys to scoop up the illegals who are working for the homeonwer, not me. The homeonwer gets fined for employing illegal aliens, not taking taxes from their paycheck and gets their house liened. That was the old days, before this agenda with illegals is going on that is now. My reply to the home owner was, 'well I guess our company is not so expensive after all huh?"

That is the biggest problem, illegal aliens. And contractors as well as homeowners who hire illegal aliens is the second problem. they don't take taxes from the illegals pay, they surely don't pay work comp at the bonage fees of $20.00 per hunded, and theuy don't pay time and a half for overtime. And, they bid accordingly, so when we come in at $70.00 plus per man hour, which by the way is the going rate for labor who making a living wage, some look at us like we are robbers. they are so used to paying illegal aliens and whack and hacks who use illegal aliens, they are disconnected from what it costs to work. All the idiots need to do is grab a calculator and do the math.
When you work legally, any contractors licenses can be checked online, along with insurance, and if you are caught working without a license, you get a $6,000 fine and 6 months with Tookie Williams getting corn holed in San Quentin.

It was a tough test that I passed the first try in about 2 hours. They teach you about business apsects and business laws in the land of fruits and nuts, and then they ask you 150 trade specific questions.

As far as I'm concerned, it is the best thing any state could ever do, as long as the program was implemented and enforced the way ours is. Now in New York, it's pretty much a fee collection system, same as Chicago.

[lamarbur]

in order to get your hoisting/hydraulics license here in MA you must be 18, there is no need for any form of CDL, its only a written test and in most cases you need some form of endorsement from an already licensed operator, i myself dont have it due to age but i work for a large excavating CO. and would be happy to ask my boss or any of the other guys if any more info is needed

This is constantly changing.. A few years ago, I sponsored a bunch of guys at the highway dept. They did the written, and then outside for the backhoe, loader run,, Not all made the hoe part and didn't return to retake...
Onsite operation of each machine you wish to qualify for, is becoming more and more common... Don't think a written and sponsor is all that is needed.. The old days, you got what your sponsor had.,. This, is no more.. also, Mine is unlimited license with exception over 110 ft in the air and anything steam powered... the bunch I've sponsored. none were allowed unlimited. They got loader and rubber tired backhoe., and that's it..

[bigz1001]

I would think alot of this licenses and stuff would depend on the setting. Say someone is wanting to be employed at our surface mine. There is no licenses to obtain. You merely take a 40 hour class and get your surface mine apprentice card. Then you are task trained on individual equipment, and 6 months later you take the test to be a certified surface miner. The certification in no way licenses you to run equipment, simply states that you have an understanding of safe work habits, laws, and general operations at a surface mine.

Back to these engineers license things. Now are those permits, based on each individual job that must be obtained? Or must every person that operates the piece of equipment have those engineering licenses? Or must say just a "foreman" have them? There is no hydraulic license in WV. If there is I know far to many people violating law. There is a license however to be a forklift operator :)

[lamarbur]

IBack to these engineers license things. Now are those permits, based on each individual job that must be obtained? Or must every person that operates the piece of equipment have those engineering licenses? Or must say just a "foreman" have them? There is no hydraulic license in WV. If there is I know far to many people violating law. There is a license however to be a forklift operator :)
As I said before, this thing is constantly changing.. What I perceive as the biggest change, is interpretation. What one inspector interprets at a job site, another sees it totally different... The hydraulic engineers license is good for two years at a time... Depends on what you qualify for and that is typed on the license.. It also has your picture, the same as a drivers license does.. On mine, I have 1C, 2A, 4A...The classifications are as follows,

1A all hoisting equip except electric and air powered hoisting, includes all friction clutch machines, derricks, guy derricks, stiff legs, Chicago booms, gin poles, lattice booms

1B equip with telescoping booms with or without wire ropes

1C equip w/hydraulic telescoping boom without wire ropes

2Acrawler and rubber tired excavators, backhoes and loaders

2B backhoes and loaders

2C front end loaders

3A electric and air powered hoisting equip

4A unrestricted
4B drillrigs
4C pipeline sidebooms
4D concrete pumps
4E catchbasin cleaners
4F sign hangers
4G mowers

[Scag48]

All good points Uniscaper, as usual. I would love to get $200K on a 2mm house, we work in a market that is much the same, only people up here after spending their life savings on a 2mm house they only want to spend $25,000 on the landscaping. Needless to say I'm going into development excavation, the competition is getting a little out of hand.

[ksss]

$20.00 per hundred for workmans comp in CA.? Damn that is high. The 10% rule does not often get much attention in this area either. In certain areas it does, Jackson hole and surrounding areas tend to see large landscape budgets, but especially with housing costs rising faster than anyone has ever seen it will continue to bite into landscape budgets in the "less privledged areas".