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jtkplc
10-28-2005, 11:39 AM
Here in michigan, Diesel is ~$3.39 and gas is about ~$2.39, why is diesel so much more righ now? Shouldn't diesel be about $0.20 less than gas?

mark_the_psycho
10-28-2005, 12:42 PM
1. it's probably the winter mix with all sorts of crap to keep it from freezing

2. life's a bi+c#

newz7151
10-28-2005, 01:36 PM
It's the same reason Hydrogen is going to be so expensive when everybody runs out and starts buying Hydrogen fueled vehicles. If everybody and their momma would lay off on buying the diesel trucks, the demand would stop rising so fast.

Thirsty
10-28-2005, 01:39 PM
I haul Diesel and gas for a living and I have also asked people in the business this question.

The answer I get is 3rd world countries such as China ..economies are growing in the double digits every year and they are buying alot of diesel.

I know a few people who bought diesel cars the last few years for economy....sure glad I didn't listen to them.

The price of gas has gone down because the refineries at the Gulf are back online cracking gas again.

With winter approaching I wouldn't look for Diesel to come down soon or ever....hopefully I am wrong.

Gravel Rat
10-28-2005, 02:26 PM
The oil companies know the world runs on diesel fuel so they have everybody by the b**** we have to buy it like the price or not. If the transportation industry stopped because they didn't like the price of fuel the whole of North America would come to a grinding halt.

Gasoline is a North America fuel its to feed the nation that loves cars look at other countries around the world most of their vehicals are diesel here in Canada and US gasoline powered cars are more common. Look back into the 70s when they had sedans that would damn near take up the whole block. Those old boats had 450-500 plus cubic inch engines that could suck back a 5 gallon can of gas starting them up.

Do I see the price of diesel coming down probably not the price of fuel is just going to be passed onto the customer when they need deliveries or service provided from trucks or equipment.

Right now I pay from 1.07 to 1.17 a litre for diesel convert that to American its 3.05 to 3.68 for a US gallon in US funds.

MOOSE
10-28-2005, 03:29 PM
Diesel is know refined more then gas. The EPA wants the refiners to cut the sulfur in diesel. Thus being the reason why it's so dam expensive now.

grass_cuttin_fool
10-28-2005, 03:50 PM
Also , home heating oil and diesel fuel are the same thing except for the red dye. Right now with it being winter there is alot of demand for #2 fuel oil (diesel). They got us by the nads, you gotta pay it if ya wanna stay warm so......

mow king
10-28-2005, 04:09 PM
Also , home heating oil and diesel fuel are the same thing except for the red dye. Right now with it being winter there is alot of demand for #2 fuel oil (diesel). They got us by the nads, you gotta pay it if ya wanna stay warm so......

Finally someone with the correct answer, Diesel fuel is always more expensive than gas at this time of year. Don't expect it to go down much until it warms back up.

Thirsty
10-28-2005, 04:30 PM
With winter approaching I wouldn't look for Diesel to come down soon or ever....hopefully I am wrong.-Thirsty...

I said it also....but the correct answer is 3rd world countries economies are expanding and the demand for diesel will always be on the increase.Someday diesel will go to the highest bidder.

I burn $350 of diesel a day, and I deliver about 20,000 gallons of diesel a day.

If I ever get my own shop ..I will have a 500 gallon tank installed and deliver to myself at wholesale....and I would run nontax off road in mowers.
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Guthrie&Co
10-28-2005, 05:52 PM
because we havent built any refineries in the past 30 years. this is what happens when you dont keep up with demand

JB1
10-28-2005, 05:59 PM
because they are screwing us and there aint a damm thing we can do about it.

jtkplc
10-28-2005, 07:43 PM
because they are screwing us and there aint a damm thing we can do about it.

i figured as much :angry:

Thirsty
10-28-2005, 07:52 PM
because we havent built any refineries in the past 30 years. this is what happens when you dont keep up with demand

You are right....Flint Hills(Koch) has been trying to get a new refinery permit in NewMexico for the last 15 yrs......"Environmentalists" prevail.

lawnboy dan
10-28-2005, 08:19 PM
so far only scaby has it right . there isnt enough refining cap in the us and most of it is going toward making gasoline leaving little left for refining deisel . add winter to the mix and there is even less deisel to go around

mrusk
10-28-2005, 10:17 PM
Bush must be using all the diesel in his tanks for his war!!! Right;)

If this was in the other section, there is no way it would of made it to the secound page without a bush bash!

Matt

PROCUT1
10-28-2005, 11:14 PM
because they are screwing us and there aint a damm thing we can do about it.

THATS RIGHT............BECAUSE WE CONTINUE TO BUY

If you are one of three lawn guys in your whole state and you get together with them and you all start charging $100 for a $30 lawn and everyone continues to pay that price........WHY WOULD YOU DROP YOUR PRICE......

Team_Yamaha
10-29-2005, 08:21 PM
I know that owner of a local oil company pretty good. I talked with him on thursday night. He said that the his price has been going down, tuesday -wednesday it went down $0.05, wednesday-thursday it went down $0.24 for #2. And gas prices here have been dropping $0.05-0.10 a day for the last 2 weeks, it now "only" $2.25. I never thought that I would say that its ONLY that price. Brian is guessing that gas will be below $2.00 a gallon by the new year, and he is hoping that diesel will be around $2.80-2.60.

I guess we will have to wait and see what happens..

lawnmaniac883
10-29-2005, 08:56 PM
Two reasons that I can think of:

A) Tree huggers and the related f*ckers havent let us build any refineries

and

B) Oil companies are greedy as hell and have no reason to lower their price.

PLM-1
10-30-2005, 01:37 AM
Diesel has been dropping .10 cents a day here...down to 2.65. unleaded is 2.03.

I blame the prices on Pres. Reagan deregulating and setting fuel up as a free market commodity. The oil sellers had contracts that were approximately 15 years long...how long has it been since Reagan was in office? That's why fuel prices are going up...the contracts have been renegotiated. In 1985, enough oil was stored to support us for the next 500 years; i think we are still in that 500 year window. The oil companies are just greedy. They aren't turning record profits for no reason!

Lawnworks
10-30-2005, 01:45 AM
because they are screwing us and there aint a damm thing we can do about it.

I think there is... I am thinking about running red in all my trucks. They never ever check around here.

lawn king
10-30-2005, 08:12 AM
Anyone who is in this business for real ( landscaping,excavating,trucking,etc.)has to consume diesel, we installed fuel at our shop and now buy in bulk! I don't see we can do much more to save, we just grin and bear it!:realmad:

Guthrie&Co
10-30-2005, 01:38 PM
damn nc is greedy i paid 3.25 for diesel yesterday.

LwnmwrMan22
10-30-2005, 01:52 PM
A week ago, I paid $3.49 for diesel. Yesterday it was down to $3.09.

I think it'll be down below $3. before December 1, hopefully back to $2.50 or so before mowing starts up again next spring.

Gas is about $2.12 here now, looking for that to drop below the $2. mark before December 1 as well.

Team_Yamaha
10-30-2005, 02:53 PM
Anyone who is in this business for real ( landscaping,excavating,trucking,etc.)has to consume diesel, we installed fuel at our shop and now buy in bulk! I don't see we can do much more to save, we just grin and bear it!:realmad:
I installed two 5,000 gallon tanks at my shop 3 years ago. Last time I had them filled up prices were $2.65 for on road and $2.10 for off-road (if i remember right). As of now I have about 3000 gallons of on-road and 4000 of off-road left. Thank god, cause thats saving my lots of payup right now!!!

Guthrie&Co
10-30-2005, 06:34 PM
What gets me is diesel is higher than gas right now. diesel fuel is what is left after processing gasoline. so why in the hell is it 1 dollar higher?

Eclipse
10-30-2005, 06:41 PM
$3.29 for diesel here (Grand Rapids, Michigan). Tell me this though, I can drive an hour away (still staying in Michigan) and can buy diesel for $2.95 and an hour in the other direction (still in Michigan) and buy it for $2.73?

Here is an interest in link:
http://www.flyingj.com/fuel/diesel_CF.cfm

Guthrie&Co
10-30-2005, 06:47 PM
i ran into this the other day. same chain of stores same brand. one side of town its 2.99 other side of town its 3.25 a gallon. both sotres less than 10 mins from each other. explain that

efaubert1
11-01-2005, 01:08 PM
2.93 and falling here

jtkplc
11-01-2005, 10:32 PM
THATS RIGHT............BECAUSE WE CONTINUE TO BUY

If you are one of three lawn guys in your whole state and you get together with them and you all start charging $100 for a $30 lawn and everyone continues to pay that price........WHY WOULD YOU DROP YOUR PRICE......

I see your logic, however, those customers can look to someone else to cut their lawn for less than $100, we can't go somewhere else to get cheaper gas.

jtkplc
11-01-2005, 10:36 PM
diesel is down to $2.96 here. this weekend, I was up around Grand Rapids, MI and it was still $3.49.

One of the oil companies made $10 Billion in profits this quarter. I don't see any reason for diesel to be so high. Gas around here is down to a still high $2.37.

jtkplc
11-01-2005, 10:50 PM
diesel is down to $2.96 here. this weekend, I was up around Grand Rapids, MI and it was still $3.49.

One of the oil companies made $10 Billion in profits this quarter. I don't see any reason for diesel to be so high. Gas around here is down to a still high $2.37.

Green Masters
11-02-2005, 09:35 AM
It is very simple. Resources tend to flow where they yield the highest profit. Many products can be made from a barrel of oil such as, gas, diesel, heating oil, plastic, etc. Now out of all these products gas has the highest demand and will make the most profit. Due to the vast need of heating oil in the northwest this time of year, it comes in second in line with profits. Therefore it has left diesel the third highest source of profit. The reason for higher prices is supply and demand. When the demand is high and the supply is low(because all the oil goes to gas and heating oil) the price of diesel is higher than normal. When the demand for heating oil is reduced and the supply of diesel is brought back up (in the spring diesel will yield the second highest profit) and prices will go down. Hope this answers your question.

Eclipse
11-03-2005, 09:50 PM
FWIW - In many parts of the country home heating oil is diesel fuel. Same as Off-Road #2, red instead of green.

dwc
11-04-2005, 12:51 AM
diesel here is down to 2.49! Hope it keeps up. Gas is 2.09 at the same station. Congress is supposedly investigating the high profits from oil companies recently. Maybe they will put them back in their place. Probably not though since most of them own these oil companies.

bob
11-04-2005, 10:58 PM
Diesels expensive here,

Guthrie&Co
11-06-2005, 03:18 PM
2.55 and falling here

Team_Yamaha
11-07-2005, 08:10 PM
In the last 3 weeks gas has fell from $2.65 to $2.19 today. Diesel has just started to fall here, in the last 2 weeks $3.39 to $2.79 today. The wholesale price on saturday was $2.75 and falling fast according to our local oil company.

DBL
11-07-2005, 08:22 PM
Diesel $2.89
Gas $2.15
im gonna start driving the gassers more

Lawnworks
11-07-2005, 10:49 PM
2.40 for diesel here

Guthrie&Co
11-08-2005, 02:06 PM
finally 2.47 here and falling more everyday! i cant belive what i am seeing.