View Full Version : Steppin' it up to a dump next season, but need some advice
11-07-2005, 08:10 PM
Well boys Im really doing it, Im finally purchasing a dump truck,im done shovelling. But I need some advice. First off she'll be wearing a Bow Tie.
1. But what size box and wheel base should I get.
2. I dont plow but will get plow prep and 4x4
3. 5 on the floor with a clutch too
4. Can I get away with a 3500
Thanks for your imput. Joe
11-07-2005, 08:56 PM
What are you hauling, and how heavy do you usually run? You can't go wrong with the 4500 series, but if you are hauling light loads, then save a few bucks and keep with the 3500. I would much rather see you over spec your trucks needs than push the envelope with every load you run personally.
11-07-2005, 09:06 PM
I own and operate a small landscape maintenance company. Do lots of cutting mulching, leaf clean up, but dont want to short change myself at the same time. I can get into a 3500 dump for around 32000. how much for a 450
11-07-2005, 09:18 PM
a 3500 is usually more than enough for the Average Maintenance company.
If you only hauling 4-5 yards of mulch, leaves, debris etc. A 3500 Mason dump is all you need. If your hauling heavier loads like stone, sand , and dirt than I would say a 4500.
11-07-2005, 09:24 PM
what size box would you recamend an 8 9 or 10
11-07-2005, 11:36 PM
If your not looking for a brand spanking new truck you can try find a 3500HD which is the older style 1.5 ton truck it uses the 19.5 wheels. They are a good truck they don't stand out like a sore thumb as they still look like a P/U truck not a medium duty. This is good for passing DOT scales etc its also good for neighbourhoods that frown on large trucks parked on the street.
I agree you should always buy a slightly bigger truck than you need why run the truck to its max gvw for every load.
It all depends on what you want to haul a regular 1 ton with a mason dump will give you a approx payload of 4000lbs a F-450 or Chev 4500 will have a legal paylod of 6000lbs but the trucks are good for 7000-8000lbs.
If you are doing general work packing tools and carrying loads of topsoil a 1 ton will probably do if you are getting into the 2-3 yards of sand and gravel your pushing your luck.
As for box length a 11' box is a good general use box you spec it with low sides so you can reach over the side into the box. The longer box will give you the length to carry long materials like lumber or fencing wood etc.
In my mind the short boxes like 8' and 9' are pretty much only good for hauling sand and gravel you have to run tall sides to get light bulky stuff on the truck. With the tall sides you can't load from the side.
You can get a box with fold down sides it makes the truck like a flatdeck and a dump box. The only problem is they are slightly heavier so your payload is decreased which you really don't want to do on a 1 ton.
You other option is go with a aluminum box its a good amount lighter it never rusts it looks clean. If you want to use a 1 ton truck you will gain almost 1000lbs payload which is allot when your dealing with a 1 ton.
11-08-2005, 01:58 AM
If you're staying strictly maintenance, you'll be fine with a 1 ton. If you think you'll be hauling dirt, I'd jump up to at least a 4500, if not a 5500. If it gets to the point where you're hauling alot of dirt, a dump trailer might be your best bet anyway, you can only put about 2-3 yards of dirt on a 1 ton vs. a heavy dump trailer can get you 4-5 yards. A 5500 is going to cost a bunch more so I think staying with a smaller, newer, and more fuel efficient 1 ton would be your best bet. For box size, i'd say at least 10. You might want to get a flatbed with stake pockets and a dump cylinder and custom build your sides to your specifications.
11-08-2005, 02:46 AM
Fuel mileage is another consideration if you are going to use the truck for a general work truck. The 1.5-2 ton trucks a tad piggy on fuel my F-450 gets max 13mpg its the 4:63 gears and the truck weighs 8400lbs. Its a trade off thou for the carrying capacity.
11-08-2005, 08:28 AM
If you are going to be using this truck to also haul a trailer around everyday, the shorter the bed the better, especially for getting around where space may not be a luxury. With that said I think 10' would still be fine on a regular cab truck.
11-08-2005, 08:46 AM
Thanks for the info fellas, just put a box thru my deer rifle before work, PA season is right around the corner. later
11-08-2005, 03:31 PM
Anything over a 10ft body needs to be a 3500hd or a 4500. A 3500 w/a 12foot body is too easy to overload
just ordered a f-350,6.0, 4x4, 165" wheel base, 11 foot dump with a 9 foot western.
11-08-2005, 07:47 PM
When you get a 11 or 12' box you just use common sense I have had 12' decks for years I don't think I could work with anything shorter. When your hauling bulky stuff like tree branches you need the length. I also haul junk from construction sites rarely do I overload the truck.
As for ordering a truck with the 6.0 PSD thats something I prolly wouldn't do I know a few people with F-450s with the 6.0 the engine runs like a bag of ----. I'am seeing allot of used 03-04 F-450 trucks with dump bodies for sale with low kilometers on them and after hearing about the problems from the people I know with them I think people are taking the loss and getting rid of the truck.
If I was going to go with a newer F-450 it would be a 99-2002 with the 7.3 atleast its a proven engine if it was a 06 model a V-10 would be under the hood. The 6.0s are pigs on fuel and with the price of diesel in combination with bad mpg a gas pot looks way more enticing.
A low pro medium duty or not even a full low pro a truck with low profile 22.5 rubber on it would make a good truck you put a 12' contractor fold down side body on it. A 4400 International with low profile 22.5 rubber with 466 power and 10spd the truck will carry a decent load get good fuel mileage.
Hino is making a good little conventional cab truck low pro not the prettiest looking truck but they are becoming popular for flatdecks and mini rolloff trucks. The 165 and 185 are popular models they have 16,000 and 18,000lb gvws run the Hino 4cylinder diesel 5spd. Like I said they are a tad ugly but so is International.
11-13-2005, 10:42 AM
hard to go wrong with a 4500...
I've had a chevy 3500 with a dump and now a F450 4x4 with a 11' Heil dump body 7.3 PS...if you want to plow snow get the 4x4, my dump truck is worst in snow that anything I've ever had, I also have a 05 F350 with the 6.0, I have to agree that maybe fuel mileage isn't the best ( I honestly haven't checked) but the 6.0 would run circles around my 7.3 all day...and is twice as quiet....my view on trucks is that I worked them I can't be to concerned with fuel mileage and nothing pulls trailers and equip. like a diesel.
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