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The Ripper
11-09-2005, 11:03 AM
For those of you that do this with commercial grade lights on a proffesional level I need to know how you secure the lights to the house? DO you use staple guns? do you screw in hooks? What is the best method with the least amount of damage?

capitallandscapes
11-09-2005, 07:32 PM
We do around 100 homes a year. We use "all in one" clips. They can be used for c-9, c-7, and mini lights. The best place to get them is http://www.creativedisplays.com/customer/product.php?productid=710&cat=16&page=1 They are letter E in the picture. You can buy similar ones from walmart or target, but these are the best and easiest to use.

Jason Rose
11-09-2005, 08:34 PM
I agree about the "all in one" clips. Very neat looking install, all the bulbs facing the same way and no damage to anything! Staples are just not cool, plus more and more homes have vinal or metal siding and can't be stapled into. Stapling into wood can chip the paint and leaves little holes everywhere...

As for areas like around windows and doors... sometimes you have to use your imigination... Vinal siding makes it easier as there is a channel around windows and doors, and if your lights have the right style of clip on the base you can just clip them onto the siding!

hgaerations
11-16-2005, 01:53 PM
Figured it wasn't worth the new thread-I have about 10 boxes of C9 bulbs (24 bulbs/box), and the box says "string up to 60 lights together." That doesn't make sense-I'm wondering how many strands of these kind of lights anyone would recommend putting together on one outlet without blowing the circuit-any help is appreciated!

Jason Rose
11-16-2005, 05:29 PM
It depends on the fuse in the plug on the strings, most all will say no more than 2-25 light strings together, which is ridiculous. The wire (22 gauge sometimes 20) is heavy enough to handle 100 C-9 bulbs easy. It's the fuse in the plug that can determine that tho... Some of the older strings use a 7amp fuse, allowing a load of 100 bulbs (7 watt C-9) without blowing. Most of the newer strings now have a 4 or 5 amp fuse and if you try to plug more than 2 together (3) the fuse will blow in a few days time.

I found it's easier just to cut off and replace the plug end... There are many online suppliers for christmas lights, the kind you can buy in bulk and cut and make your own strings the length you need. They sell the male and female connectors made specifically for lights that are fast and easy to put on. As long as a person uses common sence and dosn't try to string too many watts in line, thus causing a melt down or fire, this method works fine...

As for blowing the fuse for a particular outlet, you need to know the wire size going to that outlet (14 or 12 gauge) and the breaker or fuse size feeding it, as well as what else is wired onto that same circut. Like I said, most all C-9 lights are 7 watts per bulb, most all C-7 size are 4 watts per bulb (there are exceptions for the C-7's, some are 5 watt and some even 7 watt, but those are speciality and commercial types).

To Determine how many amps you are needing, take the total number of watts and divide that by 110.

Ex. 100 C-9 bulbs = 700 watts = 6.37 amps

Also have to give a little fudge factor for line loss that can use more power than you are actually putting out.

hgaerations
11-23-2005, 12:46 AM
Jason-Thanks for the help-just want to make sure I have this right:

I'm looking at stringing together 3 strings of 25 c-9 bulbs, meaning 75 bulbs x 7 watts/bulb=525 watts. If I divide that by 110 (as you mentioned above), I get 4.77 amps. Each string has a 5 amp fuse on the plug end-so I would be OK to string 3 strings together? (Just want to make sure!)

Jason Rose
11-23-2005, 09:31 AM
well.... it will work, but there's no gurantee for how long. you are pushing so close to 5 amps there and there's power loss in the wiring itself. It may work all season like that, or it may only last a week. I hate those stinking fuses!

RedWingsDet
12-05-2005, 06:39 PM
I put 5 Strands on one outlet before. Last year I found out the lights I use dont blow until you hit 6 strands. And these are run 14hours per day for 2 months. I havent had trouble with fuses or anything blowing or fires. Lastyear I expiermented at my house seeing how many I could hook up before I had some trouble. I learned what was possible and not possible. And then this year, I took that knowledge and did a few commercial places. And on those places, this year, max I put on one outlet was 4. The box says 3.

dmoney
12-06-2005, 10:51 PM
I use something that is better than an all in one clip. Its called a shingle tab. you can get it at aachristmas.com. basically when you're putting strands of 25 together no more than 3 is recommended. if you string 100 in a row that is allowable. 2 100 foot strands can be put on a 15 amp breaker with a little rooom to spare

nelbuts
12-08-2005, 06:29 PM
Well actually most C9 strings will say you can put three strings together.
The easiest way to make sure you do not go over in your breaker is to 1). look at tag, and 2) calculate your amps. in that:
(watts per bulb X number of bulbs divided by volts (120) = amps)

If you want the larger bubls best to use 5watt C7 bulbs

(5 x 25) divided by 120 = 1.04amps
given the 80% rule on the breakers you can install 15 strings of C7 5watt bulbs on a 20amp breaker

nelbuts
12-08-2005, 06:32 PM
As far as installing lights on the roof.
If u are installing mini lights it is best to use large paperclips. Yes I know what you are thinking. But slide them on the wire then put one part above and one part below shingle and they will hold in anytype of wind and hold the strings tight. Plus you can not see them.

For the larger C9 and C7 bulbs if you want a really clean look use 1x3 boards and staple the lights to the boards then install on the roof.

Oh and here is one of my websites if you doubt.

www.ridgeharborchristmas.com