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john_incircuit
11-09-2005, 05:07 PM
Re-seeded most of my customers 2.5 weeks ago. All the accounts where I used my "normal" seeds (Lesco Transition Supreme) do great, the customes where I used the more high end Rebel Exeda had no germination yet. This is the first year where I used the Exeda, is it normal for that seed to take its time?

Thanks, John

muddstopper
11-09-2005, 08:10 PM
In NC its certainly not slow germination from low temperatures, must of been 80 today. It also hasnt rained in about 28 days. Is the seeded areas being irrigated. Another thought, the Rebel Excida is pure fescue, I suspect that the Lesco blend contains a certain amount of rye. Rye grass takes less moisture to get to germinate and will germinate faster than the fescues. What you are seeing might actually be the rye grass without any fescue germinating. Check the Lesco bag and see if it does contain ryegrass. I have never used it so i cant say for sure.

impactlandscaping
11-15-2005, 10:04 PM
I don't know the exact proprietary blends of seed in the Rebel Exeda, but it seems to have a lower germiniation period in October according to the ntep website. If it's a TTTF, it may take longer to fully emerge, especially if you haven't had any natural rain in 28 days. There's no better irrigation than Mother Nature..lol. Hang in there, it'll pop pretty soon.(hopefully:p )

john_incircuit
12-06-2005, 08:41 PM
It's now well over a month that I used the Rebel Exeda and it is looking OK now. Germination certainly takes a while and this waiting period is nerve racking for the customer and me...

Next time I use the Lesco Transition Supreme Tall Fescue again for all customers, it germinates quickly and looks very good, too.

John

mhussey
12-17-2005, 01:43 AM
I was in the same boat. I sowed my yard with Palmer's Pride which has Rebel's Exeda and Rebels Sentry and it took forever. I was wandering at first if I had wasted my money, but after about a month it started coming in fine.

I'm like you I usually use Confederate, but my feed and seed company just got some Palmer's Pride and it did score really good in NTEP test so I said what the hay why not. I belive I will go back to old stand by or may go to Lesco Transiton. I have heard of a lot of people being satisfied with that seed also.

john_incircuit
12-17-2005, 07:31 PM
I used Palmers Pride Captains's Choice a couple of years ago, looks OK, but I felt that it did not do too good during the summer unless it is water intensively.

We just finished today a leaf cleanup job on one of the "Exeda" lawns. With all the rain we had now here in NC, the grass looks finally very nice, it really stands out and the customer is very happy.

Still, when re-seeding Exeda and it comes in slow it is not the end of the world, but when seeding from scratch...there is a lot of pressure to have it look good in a short amount of time. On one of the yards we did, the neighbor started seeding also around the same time. The customer of course expects that "his" grass has to germinate faster and looks better…

Well... no more experiments, at least not on the high-end yards.

John

Envy Lawn Service
12-18-2005, 12:48 AM
Never been nuts about the Rebel family of turf cultivars.

A lot of their blends they have out now have little of the Rebel seed.
They are blended with several lower quality species.
Then to top it off, often they cost as much as the best breeds available.

I can't speak about the Lesco seeds and blends.... never used them.

mhussey
12-20-2005, 01:13 AM
Hey Envy, I see that you have Lebanon Turf in your signature. Have you ever used Davinci seed? If so what kind of results did you get with this seed? My local feed and seed store had Davinci, but I was optimistic of buying it because they hadn't sold a bag of it yet.

Envy Lawn Service
12-20-2005, 02:03 AM
Matt,

To tell you the truth about it, I really can't say more than I know that Davinci Tall Fescue has been rating very well in Turf Trials for years. I have used Winning Colors with great success, which in the past was 33% Davinci Tall Fescue. It is now 25% Davinci Tall Fescue, 25% Rembrandt Tall Fescue, 25% Masterpiece Tall Fescue, and 25% Picasso Tall Fescue.

This is why I really can't say more about it individually.
For all I know it could be the weakest link in this great blend, but I doubt it.

Most of the time, this is why I use high quality blended seed. A blend of 2, 3 or 4 well matched and complimenting varieties of high quality improved cultivares often has a better chance of performing better than a single variety.

But what I choose depends on the site or areas within the site. I've became quite the sucessful fescue farmer and I've gotten good at delivering a very hearty specialized crop. I've gotten good enough at the whole ballgame that it's actually bad for business in the form of lost future revenue...

mhussey
12-20-2005, 10:59 AM
I have never seen Winning Colurs before. The reason I ask about Davinici is that I am looking for another brand of seed to use. I typically use Confederate seed and I have had decent results with that, but I am always looking for something better. I tried finding some Plantation, but I was going to have to order some from Pennington Seed Co. Anyways thanks for the help and quick relply Envy. I enjoy reading your post and replys. I feel you have a good stand of knowlege of the industry.

Matt

Envy Lawn Service
12-21-2005, 09:29 PM
Thanks Matt,

The Plantation is about the only Pennington Seed I would use. Not bad, but once you find it, you'll see it is way too expensive for what it is.

As for the Davinci and Winning Colors, both are Lebanon products. If the seed store has Davinci, they should be able to get you a bag of the Winning Colors if you wanted it, since it is a bag blend that also contains Davinci.

Anyways, if you want to try Davinci as a single variety, I do not think you will be dissappointed. It's better Turf than Confederate.

I might do you more good listing the individual varieties of Turf Type Tall Fescue I have had sucess with. The single varieties and the contents of the blends listed single... as this gives you more to go on and look for.

Lebanon Seed
Masterpiece
Rembrandt
Davinci
Picasso

Winning Colors Blend = All 4
http://www.lebanonturf.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=prd.product_details&pid=101

Turf Merchant Seed
2nd Millennium
Millennium
Focus
Aztec II
Finesse II
Bonsai 2000

Turf Gem Blend = Millennium, Focus, Finesse II (?)
Turf Gem II Blend = Millennium, Focus, Aztec II
http://www.turfmerchants.com/fescue.html

Mayo Seed or Burlingham Seed or ProSeeds Marketing
Falcon
Falcon II
Falcon III
Falcon IV
(Through Mayo Seed in my area)

Turf-Seed
Tarheel
https://www.turf-seed.com/CO_Products/results.asp

Not saying there are not others out there that are good also.
But these are the ones I have tried and had sucess with.

impactlandscaping
12-21-2005, 11:14 PM
We have good results with the Falcon III mix up here in WV.

Envy Lawn Service
12-21-2005, 11:25 PM
We have good results with the Falcon III mix up here in WV.

Yup, the Falcon varieties have a very dark green genetic color naturally.
They also have excellent cold tolerance and winter color.

mhussey
12-23-2005, 01:44 AM
Thanks a lot Envy for sharing that info with me. I have copied and pasted it into a word doc so that I can take to my feed and seed store. It looks like I will I have to over seed at first of the spring. I hate to do this but the Palmer's Pride Captains Choice didn't really turn out to well. It finally came up but not with the results I had anticipated. I am going to check with my seed store and see if I can't get a bag. Maybe he can start carrying Winning Colors instead of just Davinci. If you don't mind me asking Envy what does a 50lb. bag of Winning Colors cost? Again thanks for all your help.

Matt

Envy Lawn Service
12-23-2005, 01:57 AM
Matt,

I've never paid over $1 a pound for the very best of seeds.
I get the Winning Colors bag for $45-$48.

Anyways, I think you will be pleased with any of the grasses I listed. Ideally though, you should do a soil test to make 100% sure there are no contributing factors there in connection with the other seed not doing well. Additionally, the ideal time to plant new Fescue is in September instead of spring. But if you feel you want to attempt to get something going this spring, you may want to consider the dormant seeding method for best spring results.


Oh, and I just saw your comment on the Troy Built 4 cycle trimmer... LOL...
Long story, but I tried one and fell victim to that thing also.
The thing started and ran great, but my god.... it worked me to death on my sites.
Whew!!!

muddstopper
12-23-2005, 10:49 AM
for those looking for Plantation, Lowes did carry it so you might check there. I havent looked in a while so I dont know if they still have it or not. For me Plantation seems to comeup quick but just doesnt hold up as well as some other varities. I have had good luck with Exedia. Usually fast germination. I suspect that if you are experienceing slow/poor germination that you check your fertilizer blend and rates.