Phazer info

[bucknut]

When will the Pazer be available at dealers and what will the retail be for the 48"? I am strongly considering purchasing the Lazer CT 48". Should I wait and buy the Phazer. What are the advantages/disadvantages?

[brucec32]

When are Phazers going to be available to buy? I heard late spring mentioned somewhere, which is unfortunately too late for me.

[mulcahy mowing]

yes spring. The ct is for home owners so i would try to stay away from it. the phazer comes in a 44" and it sould go for $5,300 i think thats what he said

[John Gamba]

They might not be available this spring.
John

[eXmark]

I just spoke with the Phazer Product Manager and he said "the end user will see it March 1st"
Thanks, Brian

[John Gamba]

I just spoke with the Phazer Product Manager and he said "the end user will see it March 1st"
Thanks, Brian


Brian
Why was it pulled from the 06 Program???? I was very interested in the mower.
John

[eXmark]

It will be available March 1, 2006. I hope this still fits your purchase time frame.
Thanks
Brian

[John Gamba]

It will be available March 1, 2006. I hope this still fits your purchase time frame.
Thanks
Brian


We will see. Thank You.
John

[brucec32]

A couple of more Phazer questions:

1. Will the new phazer decks be able to use the standard side bagger system used on other decks?

2. Is the 44" Deck the same one used on the lazer hp in the past?

[eXmark]

A couple of more Phazer questions:

1. Will the new phazer decks be able to use the standard side bagger system used on other decks?

2. Is the 44" Deck the same one used on the lazer hp in the past?

Good morning Bruce32,

The 44" Phazer can use the standard side bagger system, but the 34" with its newly designed deck will require a new bagger system.

Yes, the 44" deck is the same deck shell as the Lazer HP, but it has different mounting locations.

Thanks
Brian

[John Gamba]

Whats the blade speed on the 44 phazer.
Thank you
John

[John Gamba]

Has exmark found any problems with the weight being 610 pounds?? Will it slide or lose traction going down a hill or coming to a stop.
John

[eXmark]

Whats the blade speed on the 44 phazer.
Thank you
John

Hey John,
18,500 rpm on the blade tip speed.
Thanks, Brian

[John Gamba]

Hey John,
18,500 rpm on the blade tip speed.
Thanks, Brian


Nice!!

Thank you

John

[eXmark]

Has exmark found any problems with the weight being 610 pounds?? Will it slide or lose traction going down a hill or coming to a stop.
John

Hello John,
I haven't heard anything about weight issues. The TTHP 15 Kaw 36" is 569 lbs the same weight as a Phazer 34"

The machine was designed with the lowest center of gravity possible for maximum traction and stability. With that in mind the end user needs to set realistic traction expectations due to its limited wheel base width.
Thanks
Brian

[TClawn]

hey brian,

how about this to get a center of gravity real low. have an engine where the shaft comes out both sides of the engine, like on some horizontal shaft engines, and you mount the hydro belt on the top, and the deck belt on the bottom. that would get it low.

[John Gamba]

Hello John,
I haven't heard anything about weight issues. The TTHP 15 Kaw 36" is 569 lbs the same weight as a Phazer 34"

The machine was designed with the lowest center of gravity possible for maximum traction and stability. With that in mind the end user needs to set realistic traction expectations due to its limited wheel base width.
Thanks
Brian

The TTHP is not going 8MPH, so slowing down a walk is alot different then a rider. See the weight gets greater when the rider is on it, Momentum.


I will say that Exmark hit the nail on the head with this mower. The weight with the rider on it is only 60 pounds more then a Turf Tracer(200lb rider) thats very nice.

I think the smaller tire riders are too heavy so its very nice to see this type come out.

The 19 kaw is a very good engine and i think the new drive will work out because of all the testing that was done. A big air cleaner would be nice or the option of one would be.

Thanks John

[John Gamba]

Welcome Aboard!!! Nice to have Exmark Back.

John

hang this on your wall!!

[brucec32]

This mower really looks like it will fit my needs. I've really been needing something lighter than a typical 900 lb + ZTR to limit wear on lawns over time, yet I prefer to sit rather than stand or walk to save energy. It will fit through a few more gates than the 48" lazer hp, it's much lighter so I'll use it to discharge/bag on the more delicate Tall Fescue lawns and low quality turf where mulching isn't required, and I can use my 48" lazer to mulch on Bermuda and Zoysia lawns. Another plus is that with the low weight and short length I can fit both ZTRs on the trailer at the same time with room for a 21" for the smallest gates. The 19hp, lighter weight, decent sized tires, and ability to use my existing bagger push it over the top vs. the similar Gravely 34z/44z. It's worth the higher price. I usually prefer to let others buy early and "find the flaws" but I will need this mower in March '06.

[Rhett]

Hey Brian, Just purchased a 36 viking to replace my 36 metro. That with the sulky was about 5000. Have another 5000 to replace the 48 lesco belt. Wondering on the price of the 44 phaser. If it is in the ball park I would be more than happy to wait until March to put another Exmark on the trailer.

Thanks
Rhett

[John Gamba]

. Wondering on the price of the 44 phaser. If it is in the ball park I would be more than happy to wait until March to put another Exmark on the trailer.

Thanks
Rhett

Rhett

I heard 53 to 5400? Merry Christmas.

John

[eXmark]

Hey Brian, Just purchased a 36 viking to replace my 36 metro. That with the sulky was about 5000. Have another 5000 to replace the 48 lesco belt. Wondering on the price of the 44 phaser. If it is in the ball park I would be more than happy to wait until March to put another Exmark on the trailer.

Thanks
Rhett

Hi Rhett,
John is correct on the price $5300-5400.
Thanks
Brian

[John Gamba]

Brian

How wide is the 50" triton deck. Can you get the foot deck lift on the 46"19Kaw Lazer Hp.

John

[Rhett]

Thanks for the quick reply. Now if I can just get my dealer to get one in March.
Rhett

[MTR]

Hi Rhett,
John is correct on the price $5300-5400.
Thanks
Brian

Is this 44" Phaser a real "full-fledged" commercial mower or just another homeowner wannabe thing?
How much different on the hydro systems between Lazer HP and Phaser?

[eXmark]

Is this 44" Phaser a real "full-fledged" commercial mower or just another homeowner wannabe thing?
How much different on the hydro systems between Lazer HP and Phaser?

Hello MTR,
One of the Phazer design objectives is to provide a 100% professional-grade performance and durability. I know what your getting at with the wannabe thing, but I test drove this machine and really liked the cut.
There is a difference between the Lazer HP and Phazer in there drive systems.
The HP has the 10cc Hydro Gear pumps powering the Parker /Ross wheel motors.
The Phazer has an Intergrated Hydro Drive System. It is a complete system package...limited connecting points and no system plumbing, plus we
have a 2 year warranty on it.
Test drive one, see what you think!
Thanks
Brian

[cochino12]

After researching new machines I am still undecided between the phazer and the stander. I am concerned about buying this machine and it having numerous problems like the "26" had this year. Has there been anything done different PRIOR TO the release of this machine to remedy problems before release? thanks

[eXmark]

After researching new machines I am still undecided between the phazer and the stander. I am concerned about buying this machine and it having numerous problems like the "26" had this year. Has there been anything done different PRIOR TO the release of this machine to remedy problems before release? thanks

Hello cochino12,
Yes, we did stub our toe on the M26, but like any good company we learn from our errors and apply what we learn to new models. We have a lot of pride riding on the Exmark brand and recognize that you are not the only one with apprehension. Therefore go out take a demo ride, test it and please judge for yourself.
Thanks
Brian

[John Gamba]

Hello cochino12,
Yes, we did stub our toe on the M26, but like any good company we learn from our errors and apply what we learn to new models. We have a lot of pride riding on the Exmark brand and recognize that you are not the only one with apprehension. Therefore go out take a demo ride, test it and please judge for yourself.
Thanks
Brian

Brian
Will Connecticut See the Phazer March First?? Will i Be able to buy one on or just after that date??
John

[eXmark]

Brian
Will Connecticut See the Phazer March First?? Will i Be able to buy one on or just after that date??
John
Hey John,
March 1 is our target date, but I don't know which regions will be receiving the first Phazer models.
Thanks for your inquiry.
Brian

[brucec32]

Is there anywhere I can get a photo of a 44" Phazer?

[brucec32]

Oh yeah, I have to make a decision fast because the channel partner discount with your competitor is reduced after this month I believe. I basically have to commit to the Phazer before I see one (at the risk of paying hundreds more for the other mower later if I don't like the Phazer) so I'm trying to eliminate any hangups I might have with it now.

I noticed that there wasn't a way to request a phazer brouchure on the website, I guess it's still not ready. Thanks.

[eXmark]

QUOTE=brucec32]Is there anywhere I can get a photo of a 44" Phazer?[/QUOTE]
Try this...I'm learning.
Thanks Brian

[brucec32]

Excellent, thanks.

[John Gamba]

Excellent, thanks.



Bruce, Thats been on the web site. Its the 36" model.

John

[brucec32]

I got a chance to take a careful look at it and just realized that myself!
Anyone else worried about what appears to be stamped steel deck supports? (bronze colored metal attaching the deck to the frame)

They look bendable. I guess the weight savings had to come somewhere. I'd hate to be buying myself a metro 26 type experience.

[brucec32]

I guess they don't have any 44" deck models to photograph.

[brucec32]

I think Exmark may have already taken the holidays off.

I'd still like a photo of a 44" phazer if one is available.

[John Gamba]

I think Exmark may have already taken the holidays off.

I'd still like a photo of a 44" phazer if one is available.


Merry Christmas Bruce

[eXmark]

Merry Christmas Bruce
Sorry, that is the only Phazer picture I have access to. There might be some different views of the same Phazer, but no true 44" Phazer studio picture. We are shutdown between the holidays, but I might swing by to keep the Exmark forum going.
Thanks Brian

[John Gamba]

Sorry, that is the only Phazer picture I have access to. There might be some different views of the same Phazer, but no true 44" Phazer studio picture. We are shutdown between the holidays, but I might swing by to keep the Exmark forum going.
Thanks Brian



Happy Holidays Brian.

[eXmark]

Happy Holidays to you too! I like your shirt. Here is alittle somethin' somethin'! It is a picture of the 44" Phazer, not a studio shot, but it is all we have right now. I hope it gets attached.

[John Gamba]

[QUOTE=eXmark]Happy Holidays to you too! I like your shirt. Here is alittle somethin' somethin'! It is a picture of the 44" Phazer, not a studio shot, but it is all we have right now. I hope it gets attached.[/QUOTE


I thought it went well with the color of the water. Thank you for the pic! It looks like you could drive it over to my house before spring?

John

[brucec32]

That's great Brian. Thanks. Happy holidays to everyone.

[John Gamba]

That's great Brian. Thanks. Happy holidays to everyone.

It dont look bad

[MTR]

Happy Holidays to you too! I like your shirt. Here is alittle somethin' somethin'! It is a picture of the 44" Phazer, not a studio shot, but it is all we have right now. I hope it gets attached.

The rear tires and base are so narrow, I doubt its slope handling ability. Anyway, nobody cuts well on hill with small riders.

[brucec32]

It actually strikes me as less narrow than the Gravely design, but I don't intend to use it on any real slopes anyway. I like the fact that the tire is just as wide as the bigger HP models (9.5") though not as tall. This is a light mower, so I'm hoping it will give the ability to mow turf w/o as much damage as heavier models (50% heavier) with decks that aren't that much bigger.

It is a shame that Exmark can't get them out sooner than March. Those of us in the South do our buying in February so we're ready for grass growing in March. On a new design, it's especially important to have time to test them thoroughly and hear feedback from owners.

[newz7151]

It actually strikes me as less narrow than the Gravely design, but I don't intend to use it on any real slopes anyway. I like the fact that the tire is just as wide as the bigger HP models (9.5") though not as tall. This is a light mower, so I'm hoping it will give the ability to mow turf w/o as much damage as heavier models (50% heavier) with decks that aren't that much bigger.
.


I was looking at this too, comparing it to the Scag 36" Z Cat. I realize the Scag is 2 inches wider cut, but the 34" Phazer weighs like 300 pounds LESS than the Scag. That oughta save some turf. But is the 569lbs with the engine, or without? Also, it has a 1.7 gallon more fuel tank that the ZCat.. hmm...

[John Gamba]

I was looking at this too, comparing it to the Scag 36" Z Cat. I realize the Scag is 2 inches wider cut, but the 34" Phazer weighs like 300 pounds LESS than the Scag. That oughta save some turf. But is the 569lbs with the engine, or without? Also, it has a 1.7 gallon more fuel tank that the ZCat.. hmm...

The phazer is lower too

[CURBAPPEAL NC]

whats the MSRP on the 34" Phazer? Trying to decide between this and the gravely!

[newz7151]

whats the MSRP on the 34" Phazer? Trying to decide between this and the gravely!

$$$$4995$$$$

[CURBAPPEAL NC]

What is the width with chute up? of the 34" phazer.

[eXmark]

What is the width with chute up? of the 34" phazer.
The width is 35" with the deflector up.

[CURBAPPEAL NC]

The site says " 4-point suspension, full-floating deck with three adjustable anti-scalp rollers on the 44” deck." Doesnt mention what is on the 34" Does it have anti-scalp rollers? Thanks! Also will there be a mulch kit available and will it be a real mulch kit or just a plug? I am getting one as soon as it come to N.C.. Dealer here says 2nd week in FEB. Is he Playin with me or does this sound right?

[eXmark]

The site says " 4-point suspension, full-floating deck with three adjustable anti-scalp rollers on the 44” deck." Doesnt mention what is on the 34" Does it have anti-scalp rollers? Thanks! Also will there be a mulch kit available and will it be a real mulch kit or just a plug? I am getting one as soon as it come to N.C.. Dealer here says 2nd week in FEB. Is he Playin with me or does this sound right?
Hello Curbappeal,
There are 3 anti-scalp rollers on the 44" deck and none on the 34" deck. The "real" mulch kit will be available in a couple weeks and we are looking for the Phazer to be in our supply channel by late February/March.
Thanks Brian

[CURBAPPEAL NC]

I thought the pic on the site looked a little wide to be the 34" that people were saying it was. Thanks for the Quick Response. Being able to talk to a rep is one of the major deciding factors of my choice. Thanks Again!

[CURBAPPEAL NC]

Can you get your hands on a 34" PIC?

[brucec32]

1. Don't I see one antiscalp roller on the trim side of the 34" phazer pictured on the website?

2. Would the mulch kit already in existance for the 44" deck fit this 44"?

3. Good news on the availability maybe being in late feb/early march.

4. CurbAppeal, I'm pretty sure the one on the website is a 34".

5. it is common practice in dealerships of all kinds to "freeze" a prospect by promising a delivery date a little earlier. Then, when the 2nd week of Feb rolls around he can tell you "2 weeks" and you'll still be a prospect. If he said "maybe mid March" you might buy another brand.

[eXmark]

Can you get your hands on a 34" PIC?
The studio picture of the Phazer 34" on our web site does not have the correct deck. There were some time constaints on the photo shoot and a substitute deck was used. The 34" deck has no anti-scalp wheels.

[eXmark]

1. Don't I see one antiscalp roller on the trim side of the 34" phazer pictured on the website?

2. Would the mulch kit already in existance for the 44" deck fit this 44"?

3. Good news on the availability maybe being in late feb/early march.

4. CurbAppeal, I'm pretty sure the one on the website is a 34".

5. it is common practice in dealerships of all kinds to "freeze" a prospect by promising a delivery date a little earlier. Then, when the 2nd week of Feb rolls around he can tell you "2 weeks" and you'll still be a prospect. If he said "maybe mid March" you might buy another brand.
Hello Bruce,
1.Yes, that is an anti-scalp roller you see,we had to use a substitute deck for the photo shoot. There is no rollers on the 34" Phazer deck.
2. Yes, you are correct again. The existing mulch kit for the 44" part #
(MK443Q) fits the Phazer 44" deck.
We understand the need to get this product out early to take advantage of the spring buying period, so there is a big push to do so.
Thanks Brian

[J&R Landscaping]

Any updates on the Phazer... Anybody get there hands on one yet? Hows it perform?

[brucec32]

Good thing I didn't count on having one by the promised "early March" date. As with most new products, they rarely come out when hoped for. Maybe next year when they've worked out the kinks.

[John Gamba]

. Maybe next year when they've worked out the kinks.




What Kinks

[newz7151]

Good thing I didn't count on having one by the promised "early March" date. As with most new products, they rarely come out when hoped for. Maybe next year when they've worked out the kinks.

I've seen them at a dealer.. what do you call early March?

[brucec32]

Well, testy responses to a pretty innocuous comment.

With zero reports of demos or purchases that I could find searching lawnsite's thousands of members, I assumed they weren't out yet.

With zero replies from two dealer requests to notify me the minute they got in, I assumed they weren't out yet. I crazily assumed they would want to actually sell me one and hence call me back when they arrived.

I called another dealer for info on them and was instead sent information on the 44" Lazer HP's of 2005. So I assumed they weren't out yet.

With none on the floor at the dealer I drove by two days ago I assumed they weren't out yet. I guess I should have asked if they were hidden out back.

So, since I consider "early March" to be at the very least over by March 15, and the grass is already growing here, not being able to see, test, or purchase one would, by definition, not be "on time", don't you think? I mean it's nice they have them 1,000 miles away, near the factory, but that's not of much use to me now, is it? "Excuse me Mrs. Smith, they have the mower I need to do your lawn in Michigan, so just wait a couple weeks till I can get a mower that will fit through the gate to do your back yard".

As for "kinks", they may well not have any. But ask Metro 26 owners how they felt about buying early. Sometimes it takes real-world use to show the flaws in a design. Otherwise, why would Exmark ever have improved anything on the lazers over the years? Nobody's perfect. And with the purchase by Toro Exmark may not be the kind of company it once was in terms of getting things perfect out of the gate. I wasn't willing to gamble about $5800 on that.

Remember guys. You didn't design it. You don't own the company. They would probably be creeped out if you showed up at their offices wanting to go out to lunch. So don't tie up your ego in a lawnmower.

[John Gamba]

As for "kinks", they may well not have any. But ask Metro 26 owners how they felt about buying early.


Remember guys. You didn't design it. You don't own the company. They would probably be creeped out if you showed up at their offices wanting to go out to lunch. So don't tie up your ego in a lawnmower.


Theres a member picking one up in New Jersey monday! I think its the dealers in your area .

Maybe look farther away? The member said when they turned on the blades it sounded great and he thinks Exmark did a great job.

He will have pics soon.

[Lazer_Z]

bruce,are you still looking to purchase a Phazer?

Rob

[CBB]

The Phazer 34"s have been out in the deep south for a couple weeks now. Have been on dealers floors and on some trailers too.

[Greenboy25]

The Phazer is here in the Savannah area. I looked at one two days ago. Although I didnt ride it I wasn't impressed with the unit. The dealer kinda shruged his shoulders as well. I didn't like the way the deck was held in position with the 1x.25" bars (or what ever size they were). The deck seems to have alot of side to side movement which led me to believe it wouldn't last in true commercial use. It did look to have a low center of gravity and weighs less than other mowers its size, but at what cost? I decided to purchase a Scag Z-Cat. It weighs a bit more (170lbs) but looked to me to be commercially built. I look forward to hearing what others say and will report on my Z-Cat as the season progresses.

[John Gamba]

The Phazer is here in the Savannah area. I looked at one two days ago. Although I didnt ride it I wasn't impressed with the unit. The dealer kinda shruged his shoulders as well. I didn't like the way the deck was held in position with the 1x.25" bars (or what ever size they were). The deck seems to have alot of side to side movement which led me to believe it wouldn't last in true commercial use. It did look to have a low center of gravity and weighs less than other mowers its size, but at what cost? I decided to purchase a Scag Z-Cat. It weighs a bit more (170lbs) but looked to me to be commercially built. I look forward to hearing what others say and will report on my Z-Cat as the season progresses.


I looked at the scag Z cat and liked it, I just found it To High And heavy. The phazer has play side to side in the deck to compensate for very narrow gates, you don't have to line up perfect to go threw.

The deck hangers are plenty for that small of deck, i think everybody's gotten use to seeing the big heavy duty deck hangers that hold up 60" and 72" decks.


I think with the phazers Low center of gravity and Walk behind weight its going to succeed in its market.


These are just my opinions.

[Greenboy25]

I'm sure the Phazer will find its niche in the market. Not sure why the deck would need side to side movement when the deck width is the same as the tire width. BTW, I'm on flat land here so the higher center of gravity was of no concern for me.

[John Gamba]

I'm sure the Phazer will find its niche in the market. Not sure why the deck would need side to side movement when the deck width is the same as the tire width. BTW, I'm on flat land here so the higher center of gravity was of no concern for me.



Most mowers do not go threw gates that are as tight as the 36'ers, not every gate is the same size so going threw it can be a deck banging adventure. Its not easy to line up every time and it takes time to Reline up.

I have hills in my area so the gravity thing comes into play at times. Have fun on the z cat, the videos are cool.

[MTR]

John, you should be the moderator of this eXmark site, you really know inside out of eXmark pretty much better than eXmark employees themselves***
I really admire your staunch advocacy of eXmark brand regardless of. It is called real pal. I hope you really are on payroll though.
as always,

[MTR]

sorry double posted.

[John Gamba]

[QUOTE=MTR]


I hope you really are on payroll though.
QUOTE]


If i was i would dress better LOLOLOL Just an end user how knows what kind of machine to use.

[brucec32]

I got a very prompt reply yesterday from a local dealer that said this:

Bruce,

We have one of the 34" phazers in stock, still wailting on the 44" you inquired about this winter.
Prices are $4999.95 for the 34" and $5199.95 for the 44".
Still have not received a quantity that we can use for demo purposes, but it is available for inspection
at our ****** location.

I totally understand that they can't lend them out to demo if they only have one in stock. But my points above still stand, if you can't give a brand new design a good demo actually cutting turf then you really can't responsibly buy one. I need a 44" model, so there's still none of those in town here apparently. And it might be a while before enough of them are around to demo. Soooo, like I said, it's just not ready "on time" for March and possibly April use. I can't use one during what is probably the biggest single part of the year when I need an extra mower set up to discharge/bag (while the lazer Z hp mulches), which is the best way to handle cleanups, so my purchase is probably going to be put off till Fall or even next spring.

I'm not sure if it's MSRP or not but the prices quoted seemed reasonable. A toro GEAR DRIVE T bar floating deck 17hp 44" was $3750 at one place I checked this week. Add hydro power, sitting down, fast deck height adjust, and $1500 more is a quite fair.

I still want to hear feedback on the durability and deck hanging system after they've had some real use put on them.

[John Gamba]

I got a very prompt reply yesterday from a local dealer that said this:

Bruce,



I still want to hear feedback on the durability and deck hanging system after they've had some real use put on them.


It sounds like the middle of 06 or 07 before you play with one and know about reliability.

[Lazer_Z]

Bruce,The price you were quoted for the 34" is MSRP, you should not be paying that much. I talked to a dealer about a 34" and was quoted $4,800.00.

Rob

[topcat]

Up here dealer price sheet lists 34" for $4699 and 44" for $4999, but not sure if in stock or need to be ordered.

[eXmark]

John, you should be the moderator of this eXmark site, you really know inside out of eXmark pretty much better than eXmark employees themselves***
I really admire your staunch advocacy of eXmark brand regardless of. It is called real pal. I hope you really are on payroll though.
as always,

I second that statement!
Respectfully yours,
the eX-eXmark moderator

[John Gamba]

I second that statement!
Respectfully yours,
the eX-eXmark moderator


I think there kidding Brian

[Lazer_Z]

Just picked this up today. If you want to see more go to "New eXmark" in the pictures section.

Rob

[John Gamba]

Just picked this up today. If you want to see more go to "New eXmark" in the pictures section.

Rob


You go Rob!!!!!

[Greenboy25]

Just picked this up today. If you want to see more go to "New eXmark" in the pictures section.

Rob

Hope that lawn is not the end result. :)

[Lazer_Z]

Hope that lawn is not the end result. :)
Very funny,very funny. I'm going to work on that during this coming season. I'm going to rip out everything and start with a path and finish most likely with sod rather than wait for grass seed. As soon as things green up I'll post some mowing pictures.

Rob

[John Gamba]

Very funny,very funny. I'm going to work on that during this coming season. I'm going to rip out everything and start with a path and finish most likely with sod rather than wait for grass seed. As soon as things green up I'll post some mowing pictures.

Rob


I'll be here!!!