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Gene $immons
12-10-2005, 10:14 AM
For those of you that had a shop built. Did you hire a Commercial building permit obtainer? Someone who knew how to satisfy all of your city codes and get the project approved in a quick manner? I would like to talk to those of you who have had a shop built.

Thanks!

YardPro
12-11-2005, 06:34 PM
lol.. yea.. they are called a contractor......

Gene $immons
12-11-2005, 09:15 PM
Yard pro,

I'm talking about a company which specializes in obtaining the building permit, and drawing the site and floor plans. Not affiliated with any construction company. Most of the contractors I've talked to want nothing to do with the permit process. They are ready to come in once I have the permit. Those who do everything charge highly for it.

Have you had a shop built?

YardPro
12-12-2005, 07:47 AM
yes we have..
we had the architect draw the plans.
we went to town hall and submitted the plans, they gave us the ok.. and the builder did the rest...

Gene $immons
12-12-2005, 12:05 PM
Glad it worked out quickly for you.

I would highly like to find a contractor to do a "turn key" job.

The metal building contractors that I have talked to don't provide everything, like the cement slab, or the overhead door installations..so lots of stuff gets subbed out. The builders who have architects on staff, and who do the complete job seem to be very expensive.

This is all a learning process for me.

How large is your town by the way?

YardPro
12-12-2005, 09:31 PM
not very large...

hire a general contractor.. thier job is to coordinate all the aspects and oversee the subcontractors...
and yes.. it is not cheap... but it is still cheaper than having a major screw that u have to have fixed....
the GC will know all the building codes..

all you have to do is to submit a building plan to the local munucipalitty. the building installer will have blueprints you can use.
next you will need a survey and show on the survey where the building is to go. on this survey there will need to have the location of the septic system ( if needed)

then on the building permit there will be places for the inspector to sign off each part of the job...
foundation.. utility lines... framing... etc...

don't try to do this yourself.. hire a gc.. they will typically charge 20% of the cost of the building.

Gene $immons
12-12-2005, 10:06 PM
Good info.

So, back to my original post. The first building company I talked to said, "go to city hall with your floor plan and site plan to get your building permit, then we will build it"

So I make a (what I think is nice) scale drawing of the site, I get the soil test for the septic, etc...I wait a month and a half for the city to do its review, and they came back with a huge laundry list of problems. Handicap access etc..

So, I need help getting the plan approved. I contacted a business who specializes in doing CAD plans and obtaining the permit quickly. This guy also had me go and meet with a metal building company. I got an estimate for the building, but not for its errection, cement etc. I think the building permit company is wanting to be the general contractor, no problem. I just want to get an idea of the total cost of the project beforehand. My budget is 100,000 for the cost of the land, a septic and well, a 2900 square foot building and all of the labor and permits involved.

Busy winter.

YardPro
12-13-2005, 06:57 PM
that's a tight budget

the problems you listed are why you hire an architect. they know all the local codes and what is required and make the proper plans for them..

sounds like the guy you talked to is scamming u...

unless he is a liscensed contractor he cannot ast as a GC.
a gc will know the costs of the building....

take the architect drawing to a GC asd they will tell you the total cost of the project... bid it out just as any other job.... they will figure out all the materials, etc.

also a gc will have reputable subs that work for him and give him a better price than u would get..
u almost always get better quality subs with a good gc..

Gene $immons
12-13-2005, 09:56 PM
Here is some rough estimates on the project, I'm still waiting on the cost of the labor for the building erection.


Land -------------------- $43,000
Building Materials------- $17,000
Cement--------------------$11,000
Design & Building Permit--$3500.00
Water well----------------$3500.00
Septic Tank---------------$2000.00
Electrician---------------$2500.00
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$82,500

The building permit company sub contracts out the erection, cement and plumbing. He has an architect approve the designs that he submits to the city. He seems to be a straight shooter and has been in business for 15 years with many well known facilities under his belt.

Hopefully this will all work out. I'm doing a contract on the land on Friday.

More news and pics as it happens.

muddstopper
12-14-2005, 12:27 AM
I hope you have better luck with the well water than I have. The last 3 I had drilled cost me $10 grand each for the drilling and system.

Gene $immons
12-14-2005, 08:22 PM
I hope you have better luck with the well water than I have. The last 3 I had drilled cost me $10 grand each for the drilling and system.


wow, how deep did they go? the water table in Oklahoma is shallow. Like 75 feet deep. Some places is 40' deep.

mrusk
12-15-2005, 02:22 PM
If you are not fimilar with the construction process of buildings/houses your best bet is to higher a good GC. If you tempt to GC it yourself, you will end up spending more and not get as nice of a finish product. It will also take longer too.

If i was closer i'd help you out.

morturf
12-16-2005, 02:03 AM
Did u try to get a bid from Morton Building or somebody like that? We had ours built by Morton and they did all the work for getting me drawings that the city would approve. I love our building, it was built when they said it would be and has been great.
Mike

Gene $immons
12-29-2005, 06:59 PM
The building permit has been submitted. The shop will be built in the next 60 to 90 days. Lots of details involved. It looks like the guy I hired to help me out really knows his stuff, and is interested in helping me save money on the project.

The shop will be 50' by 65' =3250 sq. ft.

The property is 140' by 225' = 31500 sq. ft

I will have room to grow. The shop will have 4 very large overhead doors, two on each end of the building. The crews will be able to drive in one side and out the other, no backing up trailers anymore.

The back side of the building will be framed in a way, that the entire wall can be removed at a future date if I want to add on.

I am tickled pink. I am going to document the process and post pics from start to finish once the project is complete.

Hey, It only took me 10 years.