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koster_irrigation
01-01-2006, 04:47 PM
I know theyre relatively new but was wondering if anyone has one or seen one on the job.

Anyone on here like what these mini skid steers can do? Any down sides? IVe been rolling with a vermeer walk behind trencher for 6 years. Its time to update.

Im looking into buying something like this for trenching, backfilling, boring.

I got a quote from the Raleigh NC vermeer dealer 23,600 for the diesel model
and additional quotes for the attachments, trencher, boring unit etc..

any thoughts?


http://www.vermeermfg.com/vcom/CompactEquipment/Line/PrdlnID/47717/Model.jsp?PrdlnID=47717&ModID=56685

Flatbed
01-01-2006, 09:09 PM
I currently have a LM42, that I have been more than happy with. I talked with my Vermeer salesman about a month ago, and he said when the weather breaks in Iowa he would like to bring a mini skid to try out. We are going to do two house side by side,(one with the lm42 and the other with the mini skid) to see how much time saving and labor it can save. Also talked about using an auger attachment to drill the holes for the heads and valve boxes first with the mini skid. I will post a thread after we try it out. You could probaly talk to your Vermeer salesman, he would probaly do the same for you.

koster_irrigation
01-02-2006, 06:08 AM
yeh, ive got a demo set up for this week, using the trencher attachment

hoskm01
01-04-2006, 10:36 AM
I've also been looking into the mini-skid option. They seem like the way to go if you're looking for lots of attachments and are not moving an incredible amount of material in a short period of time. Would like to get one this year.

Rainman7
01-04-2006, 10:50 AM
I currently have a LM42, that I have been more than happy with. I talked with my Vermeer salesman about a month ago, and he said when the weather breaks in Iowa he would like to bring a mini skid to try out. We are going to do two house side by side,(one with the lm42 and the other with the mini skid) to see how much time saving and labor it can save. Also talked about using an auger attachment to drill the holes for the heads and valve boxes first with the mini skid. I will post a thread after we try it out. You could probaly talk to your Vermeer salesman, he would probaly do the same for you.

Your LM42 will pull circles around the Vermeer or any other mini-skid. Drilling holes for heads and valve boxes? Fence posts and trees are what augers are for. How deep do you install your heads? IMO the attachments for these are way overpriced as well as the machine. Look around, you will find many used ones for sale. Most popular is the Toro. Try it for yourself. I found it very awkward using a skid steer for most attachments.

YardPro
01-07-2006, 02:26 AM
Your LM42 will pull circles around the Vermeer or any other mini-skid. Drilling holes for heads and valve boxes? Fence posts and trees are what augers are for. How deep do you install your heads? IMO the attachments for these are way overpriced as well as the machine. Look around, you will find many used ones for sale. Most popular is the Toro. Try it for yourself. I found it very awkward using a skid steer for most attachments.


you must not have used them much ......

they are not overpriced at all....
they are awesome machines that once u own you cannot see how you did without them...

Wet_Boots
01-07-2006, 06:36 PM
If you work in rock and clay, the heavyweight lawn plows beat compact skid-steers.

Anyone use a 410sx with the backhoe attachment? It looked like it could be useful for larger valve boxes in rough conditions.

Dirty Water
01-07-2006, 07:01 PM
If you work in rock and clay, the heavyweight lawn plows beat compact skid-steers.

Anyone use a 410sx with the backhoe attachment? It looked like it could be useful for larger valve boxes in rough conditions.

A local utility Co here has one, I talked to them, and they much prefer their Cat 302.5 if they need to do any backhoe work. Says its hard to use and underpowered.

PurpHaze
01-08-2006, 09:19 AM
These guys will open up some holes when you're dealing with rocky soil. First they blast and then they burrow. :)

Dirty Water
01-08-2006, 02:56 PM
Caddyshack?

PurpHaze
01-09-2006, 08:13 AM
Dang Jon... thought we had a new guy from Sequim on the forum. What would be the likelihood of that? Changed your name. :)

Dirty Water
01-09-2006, 09:18 PM
Dang Jon... thought we had a new guy from Sequim on the forum. What would be the likelihood of that? Changed your name. :)

Theres a few other companys in my area, but they are mostly smalltimers or landscapers.

:laugh:

PurpHaze
01-09-2006, 09:27 PM
I thought maybe with the name change you were branching out into sewer line installation also. :eek:

Dirty Water
01-09-2006, 09:34 PM
I thought maybe with the name change you were branching out into sewer line installation also. :eek:

No thank you, I just decided to go with an alias.

Are you saying you've never had to deal with Dirty Water in irrigation? Heh

bicmudpuppy
01-11-2006, 10:11 AM
No thank you, I just decided to go with an alias.

Are you saying you've never had to deal with Dirty Water in irrigation? Heh
You've got to define "dirty water". When I think of that term, plumbers and the types of plumbing you can't afford me to repair come to mind.

PurpHaze
01-11-2006, 08:57 PM
Dirty water, grey water, muddy water, brown water and on these cold, foggy days there's a lot of yellow water comin' outa me from drinking so much coffee. :p

-----------------------------

Dirty Water
The Standells

(Ed Cobb)

(spoken:)
I'm gonna tell you a story
I'm gonna tell you about my town
I'm gonna tell you a big bad story, baby
Aww, it's all about my town

Yeah, down by the river
Down by the banks of the river Charles (aw, that's what's happenin' baby)
That's where you'll find me
Along with lovers, fuggers, and thieves (aw, but they're cool people)
Well I love that dirty water
Oh, Boston, you're my home (oh, you're the Number One place)
Frustrated women (I mean they're frustrated)
Have to be in by twelve o'clock (oh, that's a shame)
But I'm wishin' and a-hopin, oh
That just once those doors weren't locked (I like to save time for
my baby to walk around)
Well I love that dirty water
Oh, Boston, you're my home (oh, yeah)

Because I love that dirty water
Oh, oh, Boston, you're my home (oh, yeah)

Well, I love that dirty water (I love it, baby)
I love that dirty water (I love Baw-stun)
I love that dirty water (Have you heard about the Strangler?)
I love that dirty water (I'm the man, I'm the man)
I love that dirty water (Owww!)
I love that dirty water (Come on, come on) [fade]

Dirty Water
01-11-2006, 09:03 PM
Hayes, that song is where I got the name from, but I actually was listening to The Dropkick Murphies cover of it.

Check it out, though its more music of my generation than yours :)

Bryan, do you repair septic or sewer lines if you hit them with a plow/trencher? Or do you call someone? We also repair them inhouse, luckily seniority keeps me from having to dig them out.

:)

PurpHaze
01-11-2006, 09:30 PM
Hayes, that song is where I got the name from, but I actually was listening to The Dropkick Murphies cover of it.

Check it out, though its more music of my generation than yours :)

Thanks... but I'll stick to my classic rock. :nono:

Bryan, do you repair septic or sewer lines if you hit them with a plow/trencher? Or do you call someone? We also repair them inhouse, luckily seniority keeps me from having to dig them out.

Rule #1: DO NOT hit septic/sewer lines while trenching, digging, backhoeing or plowing.

Rule #2: See Rule #1. :p

bicmudpuppy
01-11-2006, 11:14 PM
Thanks... but I'll stick to my classic rock. :nono:



Rule #1: DO NOT hit septic/sewer lines while trenching, digging, backhoeing or plowing.

Rule #2: See Rule #1. :p
DITTO with expletives!! I've hit a lateral field ONCE, and yes we repaired it, BUT the laterals were shallower than we were told they would be (less than 12" cover) and they were almost 75' closer to the house than was marked for us by the homeowner. The only reason I did the repair was to get the project done. Well, that and the fact that he paid my price which was slightly higher than what I told him to expect to have the plumber come out and fix it in two or three days when they could get to it :)
Was real nice to get $80 per man hour plus parts and padding, but I'm still not sure it was worth it to work on a sewer line.

Dirty Water
01-12-2006, 12:19 AM
DITTO with expletives!! I've hit a lateral field ONCE, and yes we repaired it, BUT the laterals were shallower than we were told they would be (less than 12" cover) and they were almost 75' closer to the house than was marked for us by the homeowner. The only reason I did the repair was to get the project done. Well, that and the fact that he paid my price which was slightly higher than what I told him to expect to have the plumber come out and fix it in two or three days when they could get to it :)
Was real nice to get $80 per man hour plus parts and padding, but I'm still not sure it was worth it to work on a sewer line.

Boy you got lucky then. We don't have a service that locates them, so we hit about 2 a year. Not bad really. I have to repair a lot more drainlines than leech lines.

We once hit a failed leech field and had human waste filling up our head holes...That was disgusting. The homeowner didn't even know that their septic had failed.

We use a piece of 4" SDR-35 and two rubber flexible couplers (The type with two hose clamps on each end), if you have someone dig it out, repairing it isn't so bad.

PurpHaze
01-12-2006, 08:14 AM
DITTO with expletives!! I've hit a lateral field ONCE, and yes we repaired it, BUT the laterals were shallower than we were told they would be (less than 12" cover) and they were almost 75' closer to the house than was marked for us by the homeowner. The only reason I did the repair was to get the project done. Well, that and the fact that he paid my price which was slightly higher than what I told him to expect to have the plumber come out and fix it in two or three days when they could get to it :)
Was real nice to get $80 per man hour plus parts and padding, but I'm still not sure it was worth it to work on a sewer line.

If you think of it realistically the price was still a bargain for the homeowner since he got the repair work done immediately instead of having to wait for a plumber. And... the problem was caused by him not knowing exactly where the lines were so I'll bet in the end he was pretty relieved to have everything done so quickly.

PurpHaze
01-12-2006, 08:22 AM
Boy you got lucky then. We don't have a service that locates them, so we hit about 2 a year. Not bad really. I have to repair a lot more drainlines than leech lines.

Most services won't locate sewer lines on private property. I believe they're even lower on the pecking order than irrigation lines.

We once hit a failed leech field and had human waste filling up our head holes...That was disgusting. The homeowner didn't even know that their septic had failed.

Mega YUCK! :eek:

We use a piece of 4" SDR-35 and two rubber flexible couplers (The type with two hose clamps on each end), if you have someone dig it out, repairing it isn't so bad.

The best thing is that drain/sewer lines aren't under pressure and that these types of "slip fixes" are available. The rubber boots also allow for diameter variables in the new to old line repair since the materials don't have to be joined in such a close manner as to create a pressure seal.

sbh65
03-29-2010, 12:42 AM
Hello i am new on this site. I just purchased a used s600tx with the diesel motor. It has 110 hrs on it. Machine runs great but i want to change all the fluids and filters just to make me feel better. I looked around in the engine compartment but only found a fuel filter and oil filter. Is this machine equipped with a hydraulic filter and if so where is it located? I previously had a bobcat and am so happy i made the change. I did a demo on toro was not impressed very awkward operating set up.

Mdirrigation
03-29-2010, 08:17 AM
The mini skid steers are slower than a lm42, burkeen or 410. They tear up more lawn because they are a SKID steer. They dont have the weight for tough conditions. I was doing an install last year where there was a landscaper using a dingo with a plow on it doing an install on the next block. I watched him for an hour , the machine tore up the laws at every turn , when it got to a root the tracks spun and lots of damage . I had him come over and watch a burkeen pull pipe , night and day difference . He couldnt believe the power difference , and the difference in lawn damage .

koster_irrigation
03-30-2010, 06:52 AM
I ended up buying a toro 425 dingo. I regret not getting the diesel, but it was not offered until the following year after i purchased it.

Wet_Boots
03-30-2010, 09:01 AM
a dingo ate my baby