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NightScenes
01-14-2006, 04:16 PM
I thought some of you might want to share some of your work. I'll start off with a couple of mine.

NightScenes
01-14-2006, 04:18 PM
Here's one more. These photos were taken by me with a canon A80.

tiedeman
01-15-2006, 03:31 PM
that is looks sharp!!!

NightScenes
01-15-2006, 03:38 PM
Thank you!! I hope others will join in.

NightScenes
01-15-2006, 04:17 PM
Yes, this is all 12 volt lighting.

NightScenes
01-15-2006, 04:21 PM
Lakeway area of Austin.

LandscapePro
01-15-2006, 04:47 PM
Nice Work Paul!!

Mike
La. Landscape Contractor #2576

NightScenes
01-15-2006, 04:51 PM
This one is pretty cool. I mounted a light on a limb above this swing. The fixture is holding a 20 watt MR16 with a 36 degree beam.

tiedeman
01-15-2006, 05:16 PM
that one of the swing is pretty cool. I have never seen something like that before

NightScenes
01-15-2006, 05:18 PM
Thanks. I thought it was a pretty cool idea. It turned out great.

n2h20
01-15-2006, 05:48 PM
its amazing what a little light will do.. looks good

NightScenes
01-15-2006, 05:59 PM
Thanks. I like your quote. My motto is: Never promise more than you can deliver and always deliver more than you promise.

NightScenes
01-15-2006, 06:01 PM
Water features.

tiedeman
01-15-2006, 06:37 PM
you do some superior work Paul

NightScenes
01-15-2006, 06:55 PM
Do you install lighting, tiedeman?

tiedeman
01-15-2006, 08:15 PM
check your PM Paul

SONSCAPES
01-15-2006, 10:24 PM
paul, the swing is similar to what i'm going to do for two gazebos i'm bidding on for a builder in his new subdiv. i will hang the lights in the center of the gazebo a mr16 what do you suggest 10 W or 20 W, he wants it to be more of a comfortable glow for entertaining there will be 3 crape myrtles surrounding the gazebos that i will uplight so some of that light will get into the gazebo thanks for any advice

NightScenes
01-15-2006, 10:31 PM
My first question would be, how big is the gazebo? How wide and how tall? How close are the crape myrtles? What type of lamps and fixtures are you using?

SONSCAPES
01-15-2006, 10:42 PM
i am not sure right now they are not even built yet so it is hard to say. i was thinking of using the vista 2238 (mr16) for the gazebo. he also wants me to light up some pines 20-25 ft. maybe use 35 watt 60 degree spread vista 2216's

NightScenes
01-16-2006, 08:03 AM
I see that the 2216 is an alluminium fixture. How far from the coast are you. The reason I ask is because if you are anywhere near the coast, say 75 miles, I would not be using this fixture. I would be using a brass fixture. Corrosion is your enemy!! What kind of pines are they? I know I ask alot of questions, but there are so many pines. Do you have pics? As for crape myrtles, I usually use 20 watt, 36 degree, MR16s.

cwlawley
01-16-2006, 02:47 PM
Those look awesome. Great job.

NightScenes
01-16-2006, 04:56 PM
This is a nice little courtyard.

NightScenes
01-16-2006, 04:57 PM
Thank you Charles.

SONSCAPES
01-16-2006, 06:01 PM
paul, very nice pictures of your work. what pathlight is that in the courtyard i like those? btw i have'nt been to the jobsite in quite sometime (waiting on the developer to make up his mind) but the pines are loblollies i believe and we are about 85-90 miles away from the coast. thanks

NightScenes
01-16-2006, 06:04 PM
Those Fixtures are Kichler 15443OB. They are my most popular fixture. How tall are those trees?

NY Landscape Lighting
01-16-2006, 06:15 PM
Left side Front

NY Landscape Lighting
01-16-2006, 06:18 PM
Right side Front

NY Landscape Lighting
01-16-2006, 06:20 PM
Another property

NightScenes
01-16-2006, 06:21 PM
There ya go, NY!! Glad to see someone elses shots.

NightScenes
01-17-2006, 08:39 AM
Here is today's pic. The steps are illuminated from moon lighting in an oak tree. The walls are lit with wash lights.

NightScenes
01-18-2006, 08:01 AM
This one was fun!!

Broker
01-18-2006, 09:28 AM
Paul,


How many residentials might you install in a given week?

NightScenes
01-18-2006, 02:03 PM
I would like to do 2 every week. That does'nt happen often enough though. Usually only one. The rest of the week is spent on service calls and maintenance.

NightScenes
01-19-2006, 07:53 AM
Today's pic. Just some windmill palms.

Broker
01-19-2006, 09:29 AM
Paul: Quit showing off....... I asked earlier how many installs you average per a week to see if you wanted some free labor next winter. But I think I will read the bibles and work from there. Thanks for being so informitive.

NightScenes
01-19-2006, 12:42 PM
I'm just trying to show the different things that can be done with low voltage lighting. Post #31 demonstrates reflective lighting.

Broker
01-19-2006, 03:21 PM
Here is your clear slate. I originally thought 23-25 lights with paths. But with budget constrants it was knocked down to 16 (+2 free ones because the architect has been good to us) 18 lights with paths. This is phase one of 3 for the front. Then we will have an additional 2 phases in the backyard. With all phase completed by Fall 06.

Broker
01-19-2006, 03:22 PM
we are going with natural copper paths from escort lighting to tie in the copper on the home.

NightScenes
01-19-2006, 06:09 PM
RI, What are the rest of your plans for this project?

Broker
01-20-2006, 08:06 AM
Phase two is lighting trees in the frontyard that are not installed yet. Phase three is the moonlighting for the driveway. Phase four will be around the patio (the major part of the project) phase five will be uplighting trees in the backyard.

NightScenes
01-20-2006, 08:10 AM
Here we did some grazing and some silhouette lighting.

NightScenes
01-21-2006, 12:02 PM
Here we are using two different methods of lighting. I'm using up lighting on the crape myrtle on the left and the small tree on the right. Notice the plant in the center. This is highlighted from a down light in a tall tree about 20' away.

NightScenes
01-22-2006, 08:35 AM
This is some deck lighting.

SONSCAPES
01-22-2006, 09:57 AM
Wow!!! That Downlight In Post 42 Is Really Subtle Very Nice Affect

Lux Lawn
01-22-2006, 10:28 AM
Paul,
Great looking work you do.

NightScenes
01-22-2006, 11:14 AM
I appriciate the comments. I hope more guys on this forum get involved in quality landscape lighting.

NightScenes
01-23-2006, 08:20 AM
This is the project that we did at the Kichler Kollage in Cleveland.

NightScenes
01-24-2006, 08:31 AM
These are deck lights mounted on a retaining wall that surrounds a beach area. Makes this beach glow at night.

klkanders
01-24-2006, 12:43 PM
Paul
Looks very nice! Is the wire on the face of wall? Explain how u did it please.
I like the look of the trees behind the wall also!

NightScenes
01-24-2006, 06:28 PM
klklanders, The wire runs behind the wall. The earth is only a couple of inches from the top of the wall so we just drilled through and made our connections on the back side.

Grass Cake
01-24-2006, 09:22 PM
Very nice placement/work.


my scorecards.....[10] [10] [10]

Grass Cake

NightScenes
01-25-2006, 11:54 AM
Here is today's pic. I am using a combination of uplighting/grazing and downlighting.

allprogreens
01-26-2006, 09:03 AM
Here is a synthetic green install with lighting

I have seen contractors put fiber optic lighting in the cups so they would light up at night

Chris
All Pro Greens
www.allprogreens.com

http://www.allprogreens.com/gallery/border/big068.jpg

NightScenes
01-26-2006, 09:35 AM
I just completed this project last week. In this developement, there is no uplighting allowed, so we had to become quite creative. We have placed fixtures in the eaves of the home as well as in the trees.

bwilder10h
01-26-2006, 02:40 PM
Paul,

You do great work. Landscape lighting is something I wish I knew more about. I have ideas of what I would like to do at my home, but no knowledge of how to make it happen...

SONSCAPES
01-26-2006, 08:23 PM
Paul, Did They Give A Reason For No Uplights? Also How Do You Attach Your Wire To A Tree For Moonlighting/downlighting. I Have Heard Definetly Not To Staple The Wire To The Tree.

NightScenes
01-26-2006, 08:52 PM
This devopement is a dark sky community, trying to minimize light polution. As for attaching wires, I use zip ties with a hole at one end. I attach this to the tree with stainless steal screws. When doing this it is important not to tighten the scews too much.

NightScenes
01-26-2006, 09:12 PM
bwilder,
Read everything you can about landscape lighting. This forum has alot of good information. You could also look at www.lowvolt.org .

There are many techniques involved in quality lighting design. There is cross lighting, path/spread lighting, grazing, silhouetting, uplighting, downlighting and shadowing. These different techniques come together on a given project to create a warm and inviting atmosphere for the home owner. You will read about things like voltage drop and how to conquer it as well as how to use it to your benefit. Get a copy of "The landscape lighting book" by Janet Lenox Moyer. I also suggest "Garden lighting" by John Raine. These books are great for design and techniques.
For the technical end, I would really look into seminars put on by manufacturers or local distributors.

I also try to answer any questions that are put forth here, please ask anything you like and I will do my best to give you an answer. I have also asked Sean Adams if he could start a live chat for us and he told my that he would get back to me. If that can't be done, I have added a chat room to my site. We will try to set up a weekly online class. We'll see how that goes.

I hope this has been of some service to you.

officeguy
01-26-2006, 11:21 PM
Great pictures and work guy's.

NightScenes
01-27-2006, 07:58 AM
Today's picture is a home in Horseshoe Bay. What I am doing here is guiding guests to the entry by using soft light in the surrounding areas and then highlighting the doorway with light that is a little brighter. The eye is naturally attracted to the brighter light and therefore goes straight to the entry.

NightScenes
01-27-2006, 11:18 PM
This is a dining patio in central Texas. The area is illuminated from fixtures in tall pecan trees. We are also highlighting a nice date palm.

NightScenes
01-28-2006, 08:52 AM
This cedar came out really nice. I am using a well light with an MR16 lamp. The lamp is 35 watts with a 36 degree beam. The persimmons trees in the background have bullet lights with 20 watt MR16 lamps with 36 degree beams. The reason for the wattage difference between the cedar and the persimmons is that the bark on the cedar is so much darker, therefore it does not reflect the light as well. I am using the well light on the cedar because it is in a turf area. The persimmons are in a bed area.

klkanders
01-28-2006, 09:19 AM
Looks nice Paul!

NightScenes
01-28-2006, 09:36 AM
I will be on the Kichler incentive trip for this week. We fly out at 6am tommorow and I will be out of touch all week. I will be on occasionally the following week, while I am attending the LVLIA certification and conference in Scottsdale, AZ.

Keep the questions and dialog giong and I will chime in as soon as I get a chance!!

klkanders
01-28-2006, 11:07 AM
Paul
Try and have some fun on that Kichler trip. Where are you going again?
I think thats great that they recognize people who do alot of business with them. Have they or any other manufactures or distributers done anyhting else for you?

Dreams To Designs
01-28-2006, 11:20 AM
Paul
Try and have some fun on that Kichler trip. Where are you going again?
I think thats great that they recognize people who do alot of business with them. Have they or any other manufactures or distributers done anyhting else for you?

Paul is already on his way to the Caribbean cruise. Last year Kichler's trip was to Puerta Vallarta, Mexico. As you said, it is great incentive to do the type of work Paul does and be rewarded by the manufacturers.

Kirk

NightScenes
01-28-2006, 11:23 AM
Kichler is the only manufacturer, that I know of that does this. This year it is a 7 day cruise in the eastern carribean. They pick up the entire tab including air fare and bar tab (hic-up).

They do also help me in the promotion of my company. I think maybe some others may do that as well, but I'm not sure.

Of course my distributors like to take me to lunch every now and then.

NightScenes
01-28-2006, 11:24 AM
Hey Kirk,

I leave out this afternoon to Austin, where I will catch my flight at 6am tommorrow.

klkanders
01-28-2006, 11:33 AM
Must be nice! Im just jealous u know. I should take some pics of what remains of our snow here for you.

Kirk
I have enjoyed reading your replies to different topics on theforum also.
How much lighting does your company do? What training and seminars have u attended? Thanks!

Lux Lawn
01-28-2006, 11:39 AM
Hey Kirk,

I leave out this afternoon to Austin, where I will catch my flight at 6am tommorrow.

Paul,
Have a good time.
I was just checking out your website,and man it sure looks great.The photo's of the work you do....they look like postcards.

NightScenes
01-28-2006, 11:59 AM
Thank you Larry, do you do any lighting?

Lux Lawn
01-28-2006, 12:02 PM
Thank you Larry, do you do any lighting?

No I don't but my wife wants me to do some in the backyard.

NightScenes
01-28-2006, 12:03 PM
Anything I can do to help, just let me know.

Lux Lawn
01-28-2006, 12:06 PM
Paul,I just might take you up on that.
Thanks.
BTW my wife liked the pictures you posted.

drsogr
01-28-2006, 09:42 PM
Exceptional Work. It makes me wish I was doing this kind of work. I am going to a lighting seminar put on by....vista...I think. Its a day long course, I thought it might be interesting to learn more about it. I really have no thought of adding this service to my company any time soon, but if I had a customer that really wanted it, I wouldn't mind doing it. I might try some out at my house.

Thanks,
Derek

Dreams To Designs
01-29-2006, 12:26 PM
Must be nice! Im just jealous u know. I should take some pics of what remains of our snow here for you.

Kirk
I have enjoyed reading your replies to different topics on theforum also.
How much lighting does your company do? What training and seminars have u attended? Thanks!

I try to just draw the jobs, but end up teaching how to install my designs. I do include a lighting plan on all my designs, as I feel a client that is paying big money for a landscape should be able to enjoy it anytime, night or day. The best way to learn lighting, other than Paul's seminars, is to go out there and do it. Best if you do it at your own home where you can experiment. Different fixtures, lamp wattages and spreads, and different techniques must be experienced to truly be understood. If you are afraid to spend the big money, a cheap set or components from a big box store will get you started. The advantages of a quality manufacturer and system will become evident when you get your hands on that type of equipment. You don't ever want to install cheap stuff at a clients, the aggravation will not be worth the cost savings. The value is in the quality components and the professional installation. You can make your clients understand that with some marketing help.

I have a background in lighting, just wasn't landscape lighting. I worked with theatrical stage lighting for many years and even studied it in college. There is not a lot of difference between that and low voltage landscape lighting except for the equipment. The whole point is to create dramatic effects with your lighting as well as safety and security. Voltage, amperage, wattage, beam spread and the different fixtures can be learned, my Cast Lighting rep has furnished me the materials and information needed, but the art of good lighting comes from you and your talents. I have attended dealer sponsored lighting seminars and Rutgers University offers a 2 day seminar on low voltage lighting taught by one of the major manufacturers of LV lighting. Learn all the technical information you can, but get out there and play with the lights, lamps and fixtures to really get the feeling and understand of what LV lighting can do for you and your clients.

Kirk

klkanders
01-29-2006, 02:13 PM
Kirk
Thanks for the reply. Paul helped me locate a distributor not too far from me that carries all the quality brands. I actually just recv'd some info from them in the mail yesterday. It turns out they are going to be having some design and installation classes coming up in Feb. so that should work out great for me. We will be starting up landscaping again sometime in March and with my new knowledge I will be pushing the lighting now also.

I agree with you about just going out and doing it as well and using quality products. It doesn't make sense to me any other way. I have driven around some of the upper end homes in my area and either see no landscape lighting or I see the dreaded boxed set "runway lights". I believe once I complete my first lighting job and put a sign by it this will be the best form of advertising.

Again thanks for your response and if you think of any other useful info for me or anyone else please share it with us. I do appreciate all the advice and info that is given here. Do you happen to have any pics of anything you have done or will be doing?

Dreams To Designs
01-30-2006, 09:22 AM
Check out the Cast website and find out if a dealer is nearby. They have excellent product and a system that works very well. Not everyone is convinced on the hub systems, Paul, but it has it time and place. http://www.cast-lighting.com/

Get as much different education as you can, there is always time to learn something new. If you have access to 3D imaging software, you can do a lighting image for your clients during the design phase or after your landscapes are installed. If you'd like I can help you with that. Pro Landscape has an excellent lighting option that works with their imaging software. You can send me a digital photo of the completed landscape and I could add lighting effects as per your instructions and email the completed image back to you. It has sold every lighting job I proposed.

You do have to try all the different types of fixtures and techniques to see how and if they work. I don't use well lights to light the front of a home, but prefer bullet fixtures because of the lamp varieties and placement options. I have also seen well lights leave a "hot spot" of walls at about 4" high. You may find out otherwise. I love to use moonlighting to highlight plants and paths, but you may prefer path lights and the look they present. I try to keep the number of visible fixtures to a minimum, but your clients may want to see what they paid for. Just like folks that pay for a sprinkler system, they want to see it run everyday. I change their clocks to water properly and forbid them from touching the clock. If everything is green and healthy, the system is working. With lighting, it's the effect that should be stimulating, not using a fixture shining brightly. If you are installing high end landscapes, lighting is a natural add on. When you do it well, they will be looking for that extra service from you. Look at Paul, that is his only business, installing LV lighting and he does very well with it.

Kirk

klkanders
01-31-2006, 09:26 PM
Kirk
Thanks for all the good information. I will have to try taking some pics of houses we have landscaped for your Pro Landscape lighting effects.

SONSCAPES
01-31-2006, 10:16 PM
hi kirk,
can you post some examples of the lighting feature on prolandscape. i am going to purchase it in the spring. thank you!

lawnmaniac883
02-01-2006, 10:17 PM
WOW!! That is some work that words cannot describe...pic #54 is incredible.

NightScenes
02-14-2006, 09:59 PM
WOW!! That is some work that words cannot describe...pic #54 is incredible.

Thank you sir. I give credit to the sunset though.

klkanders
03-23-2006, 11:39 PM
Anyone have any in-progress pics of lighting projects they are working on to share? Or any of your tools or tricks of the trade, meters,wire strippers,installing a down light on a tree? Thanks!

NightScenes
03-24-2006, 07:38 AM
I recommend Klien tools. Make sure that you have strippers that will accommodate #8 stranded wire. It is very important that when stripping, that you not cut any of the strands.

When installing fixtures in trees make sure that you run the wire up the least visible side of the tree. Attach the wire with zip ties and 2" stainless steel screws. Don't tighten the screws all the way. This will allow for movement of the tree as well as growth. When doing the annual maintenance it is very important to check the mount of the fixture and the wire attachments for tree growth, and adjust accordingly.

I hope this helps and good luck!!

NightScenes
03-24-2006, 07:49 AM
Here is a small project that we did in a few hours last week.

pinnacle1
03-24-2006, 08:03 AM
Paul,
Looks good. How many fixtures (5 up and 3 spread)? Also, where did you mount the transformer.

Thanks,
Chris

NightScenes
03-24-2006, 08:38 AM
Chris, that is correct on the fixtures. The transformer is on the right side of the house. There are also a few fixtures in the back yard as well. The system uses a dual transformer by Kichler. It is actually 2-300 watt transformers in one box. The front is controlled by photo control and timer combination and the back is on remote control.

Pro-Scapes
03-24-2006, 09:34 AM
Thats really nice paul. Great work as usual.

NightScenes
03-24-2006, 05:28 PM
Thanks guys, just keepin' it simple.

lawnaggie
03-24-2006, 09:45 PM
great photos

Pro-Scapes
03-25-2006, 02:24 PM
hey paul how does that house look with the high voltage fixtures off ?

i bet its much more dramatic. Just curious how come they didnt light up the brick on the right side of the house ? its a great looking house just curious

you happen to have a clear pic without all the bright lights from the house on and what it would look like if someone was just driving by one night ?

NightScenes
03-25-2006, 03:54 PM
I did get them to put the porch lights on a dimmer. The house is actually a little more dramatic than the photo shows, especially when they bring those lights down a little more.

I really need to look into getting a better camera.

The way the house is laid out. I really needed to bring the attention to the entry and not to the side.

Dreams To Designs
03-25-2006, 04:08 PM
Paul, can you get them to paint that nasty white door a terra cota color or something to blend with the brick??? It is well lit and shows off the porch quite well.

There's a good thread, landscape lighting photos with digital cameras. I'll bet Steve has some information on that.

Kirk

koster_irrigation
03-25-2006, 04:11 PM
paul what kind of camera do you use?

NightScenes
03-25-2006, 05:13 PM
I use a canon A80. I just set it for night and turn off the flash. One of these days I'm either going to hire a professional photographer or I'm going to have to learn photography.

NightScenes
03-25-2006, 05:14 PM
Kirk, maybe I should get them to buy some new drapes while I'm at it.

Dreams To Designs
03-25-2006, 05:22 PM
Paul, now you can't do that, that's interior. Then you would have to be an interior designer. I don't think you fit that mold, not hardly. You only get to be the lighting designer and you do quite a nice job at that.

Kirk

NightScenes
03-25-2006, 06:17 PM
C'mon Kirk. Don't you think it's good to diversify???

Pro-Scapes
03-25-2006, 07:25 PM
EVERYONE should read this. I learned alot about the art of taking photos at night no matter what the situation.
http://cast-lighting.com/art-steve-photo1.html

I have talked to the photography instructor at the local college and SEVERAL students would do work pro-bono as an experience factor. I will however be hiring a proffesional on high end jobs to build a portfolio. He gets 275 for an evening session and that includes up to 10 photos 8x10 and if they dont come out nice I dont pay. I will also own the copyrights to the photos.

I got enough things on my plate right now without trying to learn another artform. Next year I do hope to do my own photo work.

NY Landscape Lighting
03-25-2006, 10:12 PM
We just got an olympus 7mb wide angle. This was taken last week. Had to shrink the file size though to fit here. So far I like this camera, wide angle lets me get closer to capture more detail. With 7mb I can blow it up fairly large too.

NY Landscape Lighting
03-25-2006, 10:16 PM
Another, same camera. While I use a tripod, I also bought a remote control. Even when on a tripod, you can subtly shake the camera when pressing button. The remote has eliminated this. You can zoom as well using the remote.

Travisty
04-13-2006, 09:12 AM
Hey Paul,
What wattage and degree spread do you usually use to uplight houses?
I know it might vary, but I was specifically curious about the very first page on this thread.
Thanks,
Travis Schiffner
ShadowScapes

e.ram
04-13-2006, 12:08 PM
Yes, this is all 12 volt lighting.
I pass by la ventana almost everyday and was wondering who did that job. Outstanding work.

e.ram
04-13-2006, 12:13 PM
I was wondering who did this work. I pass by it almost everyday. Outstanding work.

NightScenes
04-13-2006, 05:58 PM
Travis, On the homes on the first page, I used 20 watt lamps. I would have to check my files but I believe that they are BAB lamps.

e.ram, I did the lighting on the La Ventana project. The uplights are 35 FMW and the down lights are 50 watt with purple dichroic filters.

I see that you are in Johnson City. I would love to get together with you sometime. I cover a 100 mile radius of Kingsland. If you will pm me, or send me an email maybe we can get together for lunch sometime.

Pro-Scapes
05-18-2006, 11:11 PM
Here is a job we did today. 14 cast fixtures with about 36 more to come in the future. Trans is already in place so as budget permits we will complete the property. All lamps are 20 watt. We are going to add an additional bullet on the other pillar and also will be adding some of the kichler hanging basket lights possibly. Sorry for the crappy pics. We are having a pro come once the other phases are completed. Please give any feedback or suggestions. Special thanks to Kirk for his design and Paul for all his input and suggestions. We also brought the lawn back from the dead recently and recovered this yard from katrina.

niteliters
05-19-2006, 06:03 AM
what city/ state is this project in?? how much per fixture are you getting on this job?? My average varies from job to job but I am around $259-$323. I am just curious how others do in other parts of the country. Also what type of overhead do you have..# of employess/insurance etc?? Is this your only source of income?? Sorry if you have addressed some of these questions in other forumns...been gone awhile...busy season

by the way..nice effort on this job

chris

Flow Control
05-19-2006, 06:43 AM
what city/ state is this project in?? how much per fixture are you getting on this job?? My average varies from job to job but I am around $259-$323. I am just curious how others do in other parts of the country. Also what type of overhead do you have..# of employess/insurance etc?? Is this your only source of income?? Sorry if you have addressed some of these questions in other forumns...been gone awhile...busy season

by the way..nice effort on this job

chris

That is great money, keep it up. I have not been exposed to the level of clients your are selling to yet. You are lucky if you can squeeze 165 out of the people I have talked to. When I say squeeze I mean every last drop. But I am probably just not reaching the market I am after. But I would like to thank Paul for all of his insight. Paul: I am a HUGE fan of moonlighting now and without your posts I would still be oblivious to its effects.

Dreams To Designs
05-19-2006, 07:01 AM
Billy, very nicely done!!! Is the good doctor happy with the way the house is lit? Because that's all that really matters. You did a very nice job and no matter what you charged, if you made some money and your client is happy, you did it right.

So, should we expect a new set of pictures every week of all the work you now have lined up?

Kirk

NightScenes
05-19-2006, 08:32 AM
Billy, good to see that job done!! The project looks nice and should bring in more business from that neighborhood.

ICS, I am glad that I have been able to help you in your profession. I have always stated that I am only here to help as I can. It is really nice to know that someone has benefited.

NightScenes
05-19-2006, 08:42 AM
It dawned on me that I haven't posted any pics in awhile. Here are some shots from a project we did last week. This is on top of a mountain in central Texas.

Travisty
05-19-2006, 11:00 AM
What's up Paul,
Sorry I haven't caught back up with you man. I had to close on that house that day you guys were doing the install for the x-mas lights. I have actually been pretty busy :weightlifter:
I am finally getting jobs on a regular basis.. WOOW OOOW
Anyway the rock faces look amazing man!
I can't wait to post pic's of the job I did last week.
OH and by the way thanks again for the help, you were right the jobs I have started doing.. everyone keeps adding lights... good thing I am going with a little bigger transformer.
Talk to ya...
Travis

Pro-Scapes
05-19-2006, 12:07 PM
well i hope to keep adding pictures. I already have 2 or 3 of the nieghbors from that house asking questions. Im glad its finally done. She emailed me not 30 min after we left talking about doing the other areas. They love it. We made some money so we are happy and we are getting lots of exposure in a high end area. The house doesnt look like much but its 4400 sq ft 103 yrs old all been restored inside. Stunning inside.

You should of seen it a few months ago. Attached is a pic of what I started with.

Our marketing guy is dragging a bit about getting our post cards out. We have been so busy with maint we havnt had time to really work at it.

Pro-Scapes
05-19-2006, 12:17 PM
what city/ state is this project in?? how much per fixture are you getting on this job?? My average varies from job to job but I am around $259-$323. I am just curious how others do in other parts of the country. Also what type of overhead do you have..# of employess/insurance etc?? Is this your only source of income?? Sorry if you have addressed some of these questions in other forumns...been gone awhile...busy season

by the way..nice effort on this job

chris

Hi Chris. This is in Laurel MS. When you said nice effort did you mean nice try but its not quite up to your standards ? I couldnt fetch 259-329 a fixture in my dreams lol. I wont disclose the price on these 14 as they were a special job.(i didnt loose money) House is on a fairly busy street surrounded by statly older homes with almost no lighting at all at any of them. They allowed us special concessions (signs for 2 mo) ect. Im sure I dont have half the reputation that you have. Our landscape co fetches premium as we have a good reputation for high quality maint work in our area and more or less work by refferal only. We have NEVER advertised for maint and borderline over booked some weeks. Would definatly preffer to do lighting only and keep just a few of the houses with clients we have become close with. Good clients who never question your price or ethics.

niteliters
05-20-2006, 01:02 AM
pro-scapes, up to my standards.... I am in no position to judge the quality of your work based on some photos. I have completed some projects that I thought looked wonderful only to be disappointed with every photo I took and then regular simple jobs that really pop!! pictorally. I was mainly commenting on your pursuit of lighting. You have a good attitude or so you read, your out there pursuing excellence and have the guts to put your work out there to be judged by others. Your on this sight trying to learn as am I. The only two important judges out there, in my opinion, are you and your customer. In the end we're all artists here....painting with light. How you paint a picture will sometimes be different from how I would paint that same picture. That's what I love most about my work. Everyday I learn something new. That's why I get on this site. Would I have lit your job differently??? maybe...maybe not. What I can say though...for sure... nice effort put into your job:)

chris

niteliters
05-20-2006, 01:11 AM
where at in southern ms are you at??? ran the whole length of 55 coast to tennessee couple of weeks ago. Was I close??

chris

Pro-Scapes
05-20-2006, 08:49 AM
few hours away. Im in between Hattiesburg and Laurel about 10 miles from I 59. More or less about half way between Jackson and Gulfport. I will cover anywhere from jackson to gulfport if its a serious client

XB-70
07-24-2006, 03:43 AM
With all due respect, the lighting is having an atrocious affect on the night skies. The house could easily be lit from under the soffits with a wash going DOWN not up. Walkways can be light with low-voltage and signs can be down-lit as well. This beautiful desert (I'm guessing) home, will never let it's owners enjoy the magic of the stars - something that is incredibly beautiful in and of itself.

Please have a look at http://www.darksky.org/resources/ where you will find amazing ways to light buildings AND reduce your customer's power consumption.

NightScenes
07-24-2006, 08:46 AM
With all due respect, the lighting is having an atrocious affect on the night skies. The house could easily be lit from under the soffits with a wash going DOWN not up. Walkways can be light with low-voltage and signs can be down-lit as well. This beautiful desert (I'm guessing) home, will never let it's owners enjoy the magic of the stars - something that is incredibly beautiful in and of itself.

Please have a look at http://www.darksky.org/resources/ where you will find amazing ways to light buildings AND reduce your customer's power consumption.

Actually, I am a member of the IDA and take pride in the way I design lighting systems. The project is in central Texas (not the desert) and the brightest lamp used is a 20 watt mr16. The lights that are shining on the huge boulder (2 down lights with 20 watt 60 degree lamps) are mounted in a tree and are at a 60 degree angle. This client will enjoy the beautiful night sky with no problems.

I hope this sets your mind at ease.

desert night light
07-24-2006, 08:59 PM
How much you wanna bet xb-70 drives a prius.

niteliters
07-24-2006, 11:16 PM
no not a prius...the ford escape hybrid so there is room to haul plastic bottles and used newspaper...save mother earth!!!!

NightScenes
08-04-2006, 06:49 PM
I finally got my new trailer. It's a 6'x10' with a ramp door. I will be putting in shelving and such as soon as I can get to it.

Pro-Scapes
08-04-2006, 07:32 PM
looks good amigo. We are looking at a 6x12 that will double for the landscape business. Nice rolling billboard. Where did you pick it up and how many beans did it set you back.

klkanders
08-04-2006, 07:59 PM
Paul,

Looks very sharp! I like the color choice. Any room for a bunk to take a nap on? Thanks for all your help! Take Care!

NY Landscape Lighting
08-04-2006, 08:17 PM
Looks good Paul. I need to add Holiday lighting to mine now too.

NightScenes
08-04-2006, 08:28 PM
Billy, it was about 4k with all taxes and sign-age. Keith, if you need a place to take a nap while in Texas, let me know and I'll put in that cot.
Hopefully this thing will generate enough revenue to pay for itself and the extra gas.

Pro-Scapes
08-06-2006, 11:31 PM
thats not bad at all. I want a bit bigger just so it can serve double duty for me. But at 4k I just might get the smaller one then do a larger one for LScape.

Out local graphics shop that does our trucks now had a really cool idea... Either do the lettering in glow in the dark materials or actually make it a raised letter name with the little back light LED's behind it. Really make it stand out when you leave it on multiple day jobs pr when your on your way home in the winter

fraggle
08-09-2006, 08:30 AM
I have to give you props! you do some beatiful work! did you have this taken professionaly?

whales
08-09-2006, 02:17 PM
beautiful work. Paul, thanks for starting a thread like this. I don't currently have any lighting, and have never done any related work, but take on a lot of diy work. Definitely need to start educating myself on this stuff, as I'd love to add this to the house/property.

NightScenes
08-10-2006, 10:37 PM
Thanks guys. I just started this thread to show people the different effects that can be accomplished. I took all of these photos with my Canon A80. I really do need to upgrade as I can tell a big difference between the point and shoot that I use and an EOS.

NightScenes
08-22-2006, 07:58 AM
Ok, so my A80 crapped out on me and I had to buy a new camera. Steve had recommended that I get the Canon 20D SLR. That was just a little too steep for my wallet so I went to the Canon Rebel XT SLR. This camera is for people that know what they are doing, unlike me, in the arena of photography. I went out last night to shoot my latest project and I must say that I wish I had gotten this camera a long time ago. I think I may have to go back and shoot all of my projects over again.

This is my latest project. I am using 4 Kichler 15385 hooded flood lights on top with 50 watt bi pins. The down lights are Kichler 15087s with 50 watt MR16, 36 degree lamps. I am using green dichroic filters here because this is a housing developement and they want to use the school colors. Around the base I once again used the Kichler 15385 flood lights but I used 20 watt bi pins for the white rock.

Pro-Scapes
08-22-2006, 08:20 AM
Nice paul. Whats that camera run ? I had a semi pro friend just buy a canon 30d and will shoot local pics for 25 plus cost of prints and ones up to 30 miles away for 50.... more than fair!

Also SamIV has the pentax ISDL dig cam and from what I see it takes incredible pics.

Be sure and read Steve Parrots article on night time photography on the cast website. You gotta adjust the white level (called something else on the canon) to the temp of the lighting I think.

I was going to surprise my wife with a really nice cam for Christmas this year. She wants to be able to shoot all our projects ourselves.

We will complete our largest project to date on Wed if all goes well. Its looking pretty good.

NightScenes
08-22-2006, 08:38 AM
The camera was on sale for $759. Plus flash card, case, extended warranty and all came to about a grand.

Firefly Lighting
08-22-2006, 05:08 PM
Paul- Here are a few of mine.

NightScenes
08-22-2006, 06:26 PM
Very nice Matt. What are you using for the steps? Fiber optics?

Firefly Lighting
08-22-2006, 06:56 PM
Thanks, No I used rope light that was installed in a niche or run that was cut into the under side of the limestone cap. I tried LED rope but it was too blue. I do like your pictures, I have a Nikon D100 that I am still trying to learn how to use. I just need to get off my a$$ and get out and take more photos.

Pro-Scapes
08-22-2006, 07:10 PM
very nice matt... You can find a complete package on ebay with the pentax isdl or the newer models for around 600..

Burt (samIV) has some extrodinary photos he showed me with his. very crisp very clean.

SamIV
08-22-2006, 10:38 PM
Hey Billy,

Yea, I truly like my Pentax camera. Very low noise at high ISO's which makes it perfect for low light photography. It is not just the camera though, you really have to spend some time practicing night photography. When you upgrade from the point and shoot digitals to a DSLR, you really are in a different world.

Study Steve's postings on the subject. He's a very knowledgeable low-volt guy, but I think his bright spot is his photography. Get yourself some prime lenses, set up early for your photo's, as you only have 20 to 30 minutes for your best shots, and just play till you get it right. Take as many pictures as you can. Remember, there is a delete function on all digitals. You can also get good results from a 35mm SLR, but man you will go through a ton of film before you get it right.

You should invest in some prime lenses, a good tripod, and a descent DSLR if you want to improve your porfolio. Billy, I give you permission to post a few of my picks I sent you. I will try to get a few posted also.

SamIV
Accent Outdoor Lighting

Pro-Scapes
08-23-2006, 07:49 AM
Here are some of Burts pics. (SamIV) This is not my work it is HIS taken with his pentax. I think I recall him saying he preffered the light to look golden. Really nice looking I think. Burt sorry if the compression I had to do distored the pics too much. I had to hack em down to get LS to take em.

eskerlite
08-25-2006, 05:54 PM
Did this job this week.

NightScenes
08-25-2006, 06:11 PM
What job, Sean?

Pro-Scapes
08-25-2006, 06:36 PM
yeah how bout a pic :) going out to the final night viewing and to connect the Focus BBQ light (These things are AWSOME!) that just arrived. Will try and take some pics just dont Laugh at us. We are still amatures with amature camera.

eskerlite
08-25-2006, 09:01 PM
i tried to put up some pictures but they were too big. It wouldnt let me cancel the thread. Sorry

NightScenes
08-25-2006, 09:45 PM
Just re-size em Sean and try it again.

Pro-Scapes
08-26-2006, 12:11 AM
Well here they are our latest project. The mercury vapor lights in the street made it difficult but I think my wife did an excellent job with our 5mp kodak. I squashed em alot to post them. They will be adding on the system soon to bring the beds alive and we are doing a light on a custom address sign as soon as they get it.Be nice rememeber we dont have half the experience some of you do.

Nothing over 20w. Most are 36 degree and some on the right wall are 60 degree. There is a tree light in the rear with an optical spread lens but we were unable to get it to photograph. I think I am going to break down and get her a really nice cam like the pentax or canon.

desert night light
08-26-2006, 01:29 AM
Billy you are my new hero. Your work puts Gambino and Moyer to shame. Incredible composition, tremendous quality. You are a natural and I know talent. I noticed you have cast pathlights in one photo. You might want to contact them I'm sure they will want to use that photo on their website and printed brochures. Your wife took those with the Kodak? That's the camera I'm getting. Thanks for the inspiration.

NightScenes
08-26-2006, 09:23 AM
It sure has been a great three days on lawnsite. I guess our vacation is over ya'll.

desert night light
08-26-2006, 09:27 AM
Esker your photos look just like mine. What camera are you using?

Pro-Scapes
08-26-2006, 10:32 AM
Just stay on topic here. What would some of you guys do differently at this house ? they wanted it pretty dark like this. I had some other suggestions but these lawyers really did some homework. The front beds need some moon light in my opinion and with all the great trees I wanted to moon light the path some too as well as the steps

SamIV
08-26-2006, 04:33 PM
Hey Billy,

It is really hard to tell by the photo's you have. You need to get to the property right at dusk and take a few more pictures. If you need to send a few to me & I will try to enhance them a little for you. Remember, you truly have about 20 minutes to get your best shots. Not that you can't shoot after this, you will need differnt equipment for though.

SamIV
Accent Outdoor Lighting

Pro-Scapes
08-26-2006, 04:43 PM
Hi Burt. My OL crashed and I lost all my email addresses so drop me an email.

Here is a few better ones. We are waiting for his bushes to get trimmed up next week and will be going back with a semi pro friend to try this again. We will make sure all the lights in the home are on at the time as well. It really looks soft and subtle in person and they are VERY happy with the final outcome.

We really wernt there for pictures last night more just to collect payment and install the bbq light.

Frog Lights, LLC
08-27-2006, 03:52 PM
I enjoyed seeing the pictures posted. I have been very busy with travel and business, however I thought I would post some pics of Frog lights installed by one of our sister companies. We will post more as soon as time permits.
We have an exciting new product coming. A paver light, that is completely waterproof and with its LED design will not burn out. It will be available in the popular sizes all the way up to patio block size. We also have a new line of waterproof wire connectors coming that will be affordable. They are sensational !

Frog Lights, LLC
08-27-2006, 03:56 PM
a few bulbs were out but that has been taken care of.

desert night light
08-27-2006, 05:43 PM
i think incredible! really describes it. Thanks for your contri

desert night light
08-27-2006, 05:50 PM
Hey Noel, your sister company wouldn't happen to be Nightscapes pablo would it? Those photos of jobs are in line with the discernable quality of his work.

Pro-Scapes
08-27-2006, 07:18 PM
hi Noel. Thanks for the sponsorship.

Is that house lit and its just to early to see too or just the garden areas ?

I love that style home. I like the thoughts and some of the advantages of LED but when do you see the color coming out closer to a halogen? That sorta pulse alot of LED's have is irritating to me. I have not had the chance to check out your LED's or Vistas yet. Would like to see both up close and personal.

When do you expect "frog nuts" to be out? Im using Dryconn's now along with soldering all connections and sometimes grease tubes with the small dry cons after I solder if they are not in a hub

SamIV
08-27-2006, 08:45 PM
Dessert,

How much does this forum pay you to be such a hypocrite. The other forum you put down so heavily which has had no new post's in months, still receives more traffic than here. For someone to be here so often and be so critical without the kajungas to reveal his or her true-self, has to be on the payroll. Traffic for a positive future for this forum would increase if the hypocrite in you would cease to exist.

Sam IV
Accent Outdoor Lighting

desert night light
08-27-2006, 10:52 PM
Sam, I don't know what in god's name you are talking about. I complimented you on one of your photos even if it was posted on a different passe' website. I just made three positive posts under this heading regarding the quality work and photography of the pro's in this forum so I have no idea what your problem is. Your unwarranted attack on me is barbaric in nature. You are a very angry young man. perhaps you should seek some professional counseling. Paul Nightscapes and i will pray for u.

SamIV
08-28-2006, 07:11 PM
Hey Dessert,

Just to clarify, I'm not young, and not angry. You do sound like a fairly competent person. Maybe one day you will put your competence to proper use. Also, I don't mind people praying for me.
SamIV

desert night light
08-28-2006, 10:07 PM
sam sam sam now you are talking some sense. I am highly competent. Competant at what is yet to be seen. It is a pleasant change from the horrific names I've been called on this message site. Kinda reminds me of the day I got off the plane when I came back from Nam where I was spit on and called baby killer. That's no way to talk to a war hero like me. Sempre Fi commrades.

Frog Lights, LLC
09-03-2006, 02:54 PM
Our sister company is installing 4-5 jobs per week! All Frog Lights merchandise.

johnscag
09-03-2006, 05:45 PM
Great work guys!

Pro-Scapes
09-06-2006, 11:05 PM
well we did it. Finally broke down and bought a new cam. Should be here friday. Hopefully we can get some practice in on the install we are doing next week and then go reshoot alot of other jobs.

Ended up setteling on the Pentax isTDL digital SLR. Got an 18-55 lens and a 2gb card with it for about 5.

Just gotta get a polarized filter and a few other toys and maybe a new tripod.

extlights
09-07-2006, 03:35 PM
I decided to spend some money and bought a Nikon D200 and still can't get any good shots. I've gotten so frusturated that I think it's time to hire a photographer. It'll probably be half the price of what that damn camera cost me.

niteliters
09-07-2006, 07:21 PM
exlights. already spent $$$ so don't know what ou willing to do now but the pictures on my website were taken with a canon EOS 20D digital camera
Canon 17-85mm lens
sandisk 1gb extreme III compact flash card
USB 2.0 CF card reader
DC BP-511 battery pack
microfiber cleaning cloth
canon gadget bag
mack 3 year warranty on digital camera
hoya 67mm UV filter
purchased package deal at cameta camera- new york
$2200.00
added later
1 ep-ex15 eyepiece extender $20
b&h photo new york 1 canon remote switch rs-80n3
sku#cars80n3 $44.95
2 sandisk extreme III gb compact flash card $104.99
5 bp-511-h batteries also called bp-508/bp-511a/bp-512 $8.49 each
chris

desert night light
09-07-2006, 07:49 PM
That's why Niteliters website looks like a million bucks. He knows the importance of capturing great images and isn't cheap by going out and buying a Canon Rebel. He put the beans on the table and bought a good camera. Good for you Niteliters. You are a class act.:rolleyes:

Pro-Scapes
09-07-2006, 08:32 PM
I decided to spend some money and bought a Nikon D200 and still can't get any good shots. I've gotten so frusturated that I think it's time to hire a photographer. It'll probably be half the price of what that damn camera cost me.


There is a book called Digital SLR photography for dummies. Explains all the toys. I suggest reading up on it this winter when your slow and playing then.

We just got ours today. Going to play after dinner with it.

Make sure you read Steve Parrots article on the subject. Very informative.

extlights
09-07-2006, 09:43 PM
I might have to get that book. I don't know squat about cameras really so that's half the problem. All I know is that it's a Nikon D200 with the 18-200 lens and a bunch of other stuff I don't know anything about. With the tri-pod, quick charger and all the other stuff in the package it was just over $2700 out the door. I assume it's a decent camera.

I talked to a college kid tonight who is going into photography and he's going to go take pictures for us at a fairly reasonable rate. Maybe next year I'll have this camera down and I can get the pictures myself.

desert night light
09-07-2006, 09:55 PM
Doesn't the nikon have a night landscape mode? Read the book before you throw the baby away with the bathwater. For 2700 clams you should be able to get some pretty decent photos with a high pixel count.

extlights
09-07-2006, 10:17 PM
It's not the settings or the camera....it's the user. I'll eventually get it down, but because we are revamping our website I don't want to spend a bunch of time just to get some poor pictures. I'd rather get it right the first time. When I feel like I have it down, then I'll be able to go out and get some shots.

extlights
09-07-2006, 10:27 PM
http://myspace-673.vo.llnwd.net/01144/37/61/1144121673_l.jpg

Just got one of the trucks re-lettered. It's a little "busy" but overall not too bad. We kind of just let the guy go with what he thought would look good.

Pro-Scapes
09-08-2006, 08:27 AM
it looks good but I agree its a little busy. I will try and take pics of the back window of our truck. Looks similar to our logo but in white without the swoosh.

I gotta get part of it repainted (warranty issue) before he can letter the whole ride but we are sticking with simple and clean.

Pro-Scapes
09-23-2006, 09:20 AM
well the new camera works a bit better i think. Here is a few pics of our latest job on thursday. I know I need to get there earlier but these are just a few quick shots taken at 9pm when we finished the job. It looks like hot spots in areas but the lights are all very soft. Frosted lenses on the front pillars with hex cell louvers as well on the ones by walkway. All 20w with both 60 and 36 degree mr 16's

The line voltage lamp posts are coming out and some moon lighting will be added to guest parking area as soon as they decide which trees are going and which ones will be staying when they build a new garage.

Main entrance way... note glare on window is not from me but from inside

The fixture in the ceiling here will be changed out to a Kichler fixture that looks like the old candle chandeliers and the fixtures on the wall will be removed by the electrician.

Pro-Scapes
09-23-2006, 09:22 AM
face of home.... bed lights will be added when new beds are installed to bring depth to it

Pro-Scapes
09-23-2006, 09:24 AM
view from main drive.... note we didnt light the cubby to the right because its ugly right now. Will add lighting for a large fountain they are installing and we prewired for this. Note the pathway looks out of balance here. This is because some of the lights are hidden from this angle by bushes.

NightScenes
09-23-2006, 10:30 AM
You have come a long way Billy!! I bet that your clients are very happy with their new lighting. It looks like you might need to make a few adjustments here and there, but it does look very good.

Pro-Scapes
09-23-2006, 10:40 AM
thanks paul. I did make a few adjustments and will try to obtain better pictures soon.

Here is one more that I liked... There is not really hotspots just looks that way in the pics.

The clients were taken away with what I did... I love doing X-10 with the keychains... I bring them out when i am finished or at night and let them click the ON button. I usually toss in the keychains as a freebie and they always love it... thats 4th time I used em

klkanders
09-23-2006, 01:01 PM
Sorry in advance for picture quality.
Just a shot of an area around a pondless waterfall we installed and landscaped. I added some Kichler 15310 paths, a spot on the ash tree and 1 light under each waterfall.

klkanders
09-23-2006, 01:07 PM
And one more......

NightScenes
09-23-2006, 03:09 PM
Hey Keith, are you using the Kichler 15191 fixture for the water fall?

klkanders
09-23-2006, 04:27 PM
Paul,
No I didn't with the very limited space they left me. I used the lights that came with the waterfall kit. They are about 2-3" diam and 1" thick. The pic makes them appear more bright then they actually are. Just enough to see the water shimmering as it falls. This waterfall faces the road so everyone driving or walking by in the subdivision gets to enjoy it.

This is the second job I have used the Kichler 15310 pathlights. A very nice simple but durable fixture that customers like.

NightScenes
09-23-2006, 04:55 PM
Kichler is coming out with a new LED underwater light in January. I think that they are unveiling it at the IA in November. They showed it to some of us contractors in August and it looks like it might be great for your application. I already have a few projects in mind for it.

niteliters
09-24-2006, 08:51 PM
can you get one of those for me paul at the unveiling?

NightScenes
09-24-2006, 10:25 PM
I'll see what I can do, Chris. I know I'm gonna need some.

TXNSLighting
08-05-2007, 07:36 PM
We need to get this thread going again!