Xp Diesel Price?

[GreenMachine102]

What is the MSRP for a 2006 lazer xp with a 60 inch deck and the 3 cylinder kubota diesel engine?

[GreenMachine102]

HELLO? Anyone out there????

[jtkplc]

I was told that the new XS with the 25 HP Kubota and a 66" deck would be nearly $13,000. So for the 60" deck probably a few hundred less I would think.

[eXmark]

What is the MSRP for a 2006 lazer xp with a 60 inch deck and the 3 cylinder kubota diesel engine?
$12,699.........

[mslawn]

$12,699.........

Why did you go to a 25hp diesel? I own a 27hp diahatsu and it seems way underpowered with a mulch kit on the 60" version. It has been that way since day 1, it now has 1450hrs on it. I have last years 31hp briggs with the 72" deck and talk about power - it is impressive. I am adding a 35hp briggs with the 72" deck soon as grass gets to growing. I would not mind having another diesel, but 25 just don't seem adequete for a 72". I know the briggs is a beast, it is the stoutest mower I have ever owned. The 31hp version does not even know that 72" deck is down there.

[eXmark]

Why did you go to a 25hp diesel? I own a 27hp diahatsu and it seems way underpowered with a mulch kit on the 60" version. It has been that way since day 1, it now has 1450hrs on it. I have last years 31hp briggs with the 72" deck and talk about power - it is impressive. I am adding a 35hp briggs with the 72" deck soon as grass gets to growing. I would not mind having another diesel, but 25 just don't seem adequete for a 72". I know the briggs is a beast, it is the stoutest mower I have ever owned. The 31hp version does not even know that 72" deck is down there.
Hello mslawn,
The 25 hp kubota diesel was selected for a few reasons. The Kubota name is tied to productivity and durability. Kubota is known to be conservative on their horsepower rating and through testing it was equal to the 27 hp Diahatsu. The 25 hp Kubota diesel engine is compact and fit our existing Lazer framework with little adjustment, so we were able to meet our winter production run timetable.
We do recognize the desire for a higher horsepower diesel engine, that is why we need and study your opinions and comments. Which leads me to the following question.
What diesel engine horsepower range and at what price range would you be interested in a Diesel Lazer Z?
Thanks Brian

[jtkplc]

Hello mslawn,
The 25 hp kubota diesel was selected for a few reasons. The Kubota name is tied to productivity and durability. Kubota is known to be conservative on their horsepower rating and through testing it was equal to the 27 hp Diahatsu. The 25 hp Kubota diesel engine is compact and fit our existing Lazer framework with little adjustment, so we were able to meet our winter production run timetable.
We do recognize the desire for a higher horsepower diesel engine, that is why we need and study your opinions and comments. Which leads me to the following question.
What diesel engine horsepower range and at what price range would you be interested in a Diesel Lazer Z?
Thanks Brian

I think the 28 HP Kubota diesel would be sufficient. Price, under $14,000.

I also think you should put a smaller Kubota diesel engine on your Lazer Z and Z HP lines. I think a Lazer HP 56" deck with a 22 HP Kubota diesel would be sweet.

[mslawn]

I think the 28 HP Kubota diesel would be sufficient. Price, under $14,000.


I agree. It would be nice to have one with about 30-35hp on the 72" deck for about that price.

[TLS]

We do recognize the desire for a higher horsepower diesel engine, that is why we need and study your opinions and comments. Which leads me to the following question.
What diesel engine horsepower range and at what price range would you be interested in a Diesel Lazer Z?
Thanks Brian

You better hurry the heck up! This year will be the year I upgrade. Your choice on a 25hp Kubota ruled out Exmark as far as diesel ZTR's go for me.

Lets see...
SCAG = 31hp
John Deere = 31hp
Hustler = 34hp
AND
eXmark = 25hp

Whats wrong with this picture!?

I would suggest something in the 31-35hp range (Yanmar or Kubota)

Keep it low and compact, and keep it under 1650lbs

Make sure it travels at LEAST 12mph, and at least half of that speed in reverse.

Maybe look into shaft drive or hydraulic drive for the deck PTO?



Still don't know why you didn't just keep with the Diahatsu and use the 31hp Turbo version.


HURRY IT UP THOUGH!!!! Your competition is passing you!

[jtkplc]

You better hurry the heck up! This year will be the year I upgrade. Your choice on a 25hp Kubota ruled out Exmark as far as diesel ZTR's go for me.

Lets see...
SCAG = 31hp
John Deere = 31hp
Hustler = 34hp
AND
eXmark = 25hp

Whats wrong with this picture!?

I would suggest something in the 31-35hp range (Yanmar or Kubota)

Keep it low and compact, and keep it under 1650lbs

Make sure it travels at LEAST 12mph, and at least half of that speed in reverse.

Maybe look into shaft drive or hydraulic drive for the deck PTO?



Still don't know why you didn't just keep with the Diahatsu and use the 31hp Turbo version.


HURRY IT UP THOUGH!!!! Your competition is passing you!

yeah, good point...

[J&R Landscaping]

The kubota diesel engines are easier to work on and repair when the time comes compared to briggs diahautsu. I do agree though that you need a larger 30-35 hp diesel. Yanmar, kubota(PREFERED), CAT(MOST PREFERED), or?????

[TLS]

All these diesel engines will run 4K hours without removing the valve cover. This is well beyond the expected life of all other components of the ZTR. So I really don't think brand preference based on parts availability/ease of work, should be an issue.

I was under the impression that the smaller CAT's weren't even "CAT" engines. And CAT is very picky when it comes to service (under warranty).

[Imow4u2]

That little yellow motor in the Hustler,Ferris and Cub tank is a perkins painted yellow... Cat bought Perkins a few years back...

[John Gamba]

All these diesel engines will run 4K hours without removing the valve cover. This is well beyond the expected life of all other components of the ZTR. So I really don't think brand preference based on parts availability/ease of work, should be an issue.

I was under the impression that the smaller CAT's weren't even "CAT" engines. And CAT is very picky when it comes to service (under warranty).



So why buy the diesel????? If the mower is going to last 4,000 hours???????and the engine 8,000?????????

[grasswhacker]

So why buy the diesel????? If the mower is going to last 4,000 hours???????and the engine 8,000?????????

So you can sell it on Ebay?

[John Gamba]

So you can sell it on Ebay?



LOLOLOLOL------

[blackandgold]

The CAT name carries as much weight as Kubota -maybe more- whether it is actually a Perkins or not.

The TC 30 New Hollland Boomer runs the same engine with a different head. This engine is actually made by Shubarra (spelling may be wrong). This is the same company that builds the boomer for NH in Japan exclusively for New Holland and Case Dealers ( DX Tractor ) for the North American Market.

If it has the CAT Name, CAT dealers must service this engine. CAT certainly carries more weight with consumers than Briggs, Vanguard, or Diahatsu. Most homeowners don't know who these guys are, but they probably know who Kubota or Cat is.

I think if manufactures had 40-50 hp engines people would buy them> but many consumers are too "Power Hungry"

When will be the horsepower push end?

[Mowingman]

Sure, a Cat dealer will have to fix your engine if it needs warranty work, but WHEN. Cat dealers could care less about when they get around to fixing the engine on a $12,000 mower, that they did not even sell. That backlog of $500,000 dozers, graders, and scrapers that they sold will be the machines they work on. Maybe they will get around to looking at your engine problem sometime next month.
This is not speculation, this is actually what is happening with some Cat dealers.
Exmark has the right idea going with Kubota. One of the major brandname mower manufacturers has been using the Kubota engines for over 20 years with great success.
As far as horsepower goes. The 28hp Kubota is way more than enough for a 72" deck. Those bigger engines other makers use, may be what people THINK they want and need, but they are a total waste of money. you only need an engine that gets the job done effeciently and economically. Those big engines are just ego satisfiers.

[Distorted]

My 31hp Vanguard is rated @ ~47.5 ft/lbs of torque @ 2200 rpm and is ample for my needs with the 66" Lazer Z XS. What is the torque rating for the Kubota 25 hp engine?

[eXmark]

My 31hp Vanguard is rated @ ~47.5 ft/lbs of torque @ 2200 rpm and is ample for my needs with the 66" Lazer Z XS. What is the torque rating for the Kubota 25 hp engine?
Hello Distorted,
41 ft/lbs of torque @ 2600 rpm for the 25 hp Kubota Diesel.
Brian

[TLS]

Hello Distorted,
41 ft/lbs of torque @ 2600 rpm for the 25 hp Kubota Diesel.
Brian

Wow.

So, just about every gas engine out there today has more torque on paper?

I still feel, a high powered diesel is desperately needed. Especially for the 60"+ deck size.

[Distorted]

I've noticed that the gasoline engines have torque curves that mostly fall off in a pronounced fashion after peaking at a relatively low rpm (say, 2200 rpm) much lower than operating rpm more around 3500 rpm. I haven't seen many diesel torque curves, but assuming they are more flat, then perhaps the better real-time engine performance of diesels has something to do with higher torque at higher rpm where we actually operate them.

[John Gamba]

Wow.

So, just about every gas engine out there today has more torque on paper?

I still feel, a high powered diesel is desperately needed. Especially for the 60"+ deck size.


Buy a Ferris

[TLS]

I haven't seen many diesel torque curves, but assuming they are more flat, then perhaps the better real-time engine performance of diesels has something to do with higher torque at higher rpm where we actually operate them.

Actually, all the torque curves I've ever seen on diesel engines were the opposite. Tons of torque down low, and really dropping in the upper RPM range (where a ZTR mower NEEDS the power).

I'm not knocking a diesel engine...It's just that when people want to make the jump to have one in their ZTR, it's a real big jump in price and weight. For that jump in price and weight, I feel you should get a powerplant with output at or above your highest gas engines power.....NOT at or below the lowest.

[Distorted]

Actually, all the torque curves I've ever seen on diesel engines were the opposite. Tons of torque down low, and really dropping in the upper RPM range (where a ZTR mower NEEDS the power).

I'm not knocking a diesel engine...It's just that when people want to make the jump to have one in their ZTR, it's a real big jump in price and weight. For that jump in price and weight, I feel you should get a powerplant with output at or above your highest gas engines power.....NOT at or below the lowest.

Note that eXmark pointed out that his 25 horse Kubota had its peak torque at 2600 rpm. I wish I could be referred to a site that has the torque curves of the small tractor Kubota engine configurations to see the rest of the curves. All gas lawnmower engines produce their peak torque much lower in the rpm range. It might be interesting to see those curves, even though I have made my choice - a 31hp Vanguard on my EXmark 66" XS - not because I wouldn't rather have a diesel, but because of what you mentioned concerning relative price & weight, not to mention that lesser spec sheet power, and no reason to pay extra for an engine that will outlive the rest of the machine in all likelihood. I would love to dodge the fed tax on diesel fuel though just because I love the thought of depriving those morons who spend my money of one stream of my money to buy votes with.

[Distorted]

Below is a link to a piece concerning the real differences between gasoline and small diesel engines. Despite the spelling errors and the strange example of a Kohler 22hp engine with 49 ft/lbs of torque (!), the argument is well made and the issue of manufacturer fudging of stats is covered once again.

http://www.compacttractorreview.com/htmlpage.aspx?pageid=6

In the end the "proof of the pudding is in the eating" just as the proof in the mowing is in the cutting, and we all have felt the very real difference between gas and diesel engines. All things being equal (which they obviously are not), a diesel is a much better engine for working purposes. Those unequal costs are the real killer, or we would all be riding behind diesels, eh?

[John Gamba]

, and no reason to pay extra for an engine that will outlive the rest of the machine in all likelihood.
.


Thank You.......

[mcwlandscaping]

yea, ill be happy when companys start offering a 60" cut with big block chevy V8 in it, jk......im happy with exmarks products but a 30something desiel would be nice to see in the lineup

[Bunton Guy]

Everyone is wanting a powerfull mower why not Dixie Chopper?
Dixie chopper has the 50HP turbo diesel 72" mower. Last time I priced one it was 13,500 OTD (demo unit under 20 hrs.)

[John Gamba]

Everyone is wanting a powerfull mower why not Dixie Chopper?
Dixie chopper has the 50HP turbo diesel 72" mower. Last time I priced one it was 13,500 OTD (demo unit under 20 hrs.)



we need it to cut good too.

[DEEJ]

Distorted,

Good article, thanks for the link. Interesting that some manufacturers test HP under more than ideal conditions with no air breather,exhaust, or other common driven accessories. Others have typical accessories in there to more closely represent real world conditions. You really have to read specs closely to see HOW they are derived.

The CH22 is not shown to have 49 ft/lbs of torque - I think you are reading the metric side of the chart - ft/lbs are on the other side!! :)

John,

... logical, as always ... and I must say I agree. While I am a huge diesel fan, my gasoline engines will far outlast the machinery I have them on, so I am not going to take the cost or weight penalty to go to diesel. Now if the diesel got a whole lot cheaper to purchase ...

On one hand I would say "keep it simple" is a recipe for a reliable product. Thus I like air cooled engines without the extra weight, size, and parts count of a liquid cooling system. On the other hand, after owning the Kohler 26EFI and 28EFI, I will choose a "complicated" EFI any day over a carbureted engine! They are just so smooth and fuel efficient in comparison. Then again, with an electronics background, EFI IS simple in my eyes compared to carburation.

deej

[John Gamba]

Distorted,

Good article, thanks for the link. Interesting that some manufacturers test HP under more than ideal conditions with no air breather,exhaust, or other common driven accessories. Others have typical accessories in there to more closely represent real world conditions. You really have to read specs closely to see HOW they are derived.

The CH22 is not shown to have 49 ft/lbs of torque - I think you are reading the metric side of the chart - ft/lbs are on the other side!! :)

John,

... logical, as always ... and I must say I agree. While I am a huge diesel fan, my gasoline engines will far outlast the machinery I have them on, so I am not going to take the cost or weight penalty to go to diesel. Now if the diesel got a whole lot cheaper to purchase ...

On one hand I would say "keep it simple" is a recipe for a reliable product. Thus I like air cooled engines without the extra weight, size, and parts count of a liquid cooling system. On the other hand, after owning the Kohler 26EFI and 28EFI, I will choose a "complicated" EFI any day over a carbureted engine! They are just so smooth and fuel efficient in comparison. Then again, with an electronics background, EFI IS simple in my eyes compared to carburation.

deej


Ive owned alot of the EFI's and love them. You do need a great dealer when they need to be diagnosed. I do believe you will also need a great dealer if your diesel goes down to.

[Distorted]

Distorted,

Good article, thanks for the link...

The CH22 is not shown to have 49 ft/lbs of torque - I think you are reading the metric side of the chart - ft/lbs are on the other side!! :)


deej

Oops, how right you are...37 ft/lbs peak sounds better when I read it correctly.

[John Gamba]

Oops, how right you are...37 ft/lbs peak sounds better when I read it correctly.




My car just Emailed me! Can your mower do that??

[DEEJ]

Did it start off with "Dear John ..." ? :)

[John Gamba]

Did it start off with "Dear John ..." ? :)



Cute LOLOLOL

[tomo]

Actually, all the torque curves I've ever seen on diesel engines were the opposite. Tons of torque down low, and really dropping in the upper RPM range (where a ZTR mower NEEDS the power).

I'm not knocking a diesel engine...It's just that when people want to make the jump to have one in their ZTR, it's a real big jump in price and weight. For that jump in price and weight, I feel you should get a powerplant with output at or above your highest gas engines power.....NOT at or below the lowest.
Hello, your general comment is totally incorrect engines are mached to the application/manufacturers needs ,they may be offered eg 4that have different charcteristics but still suitable-- price,total life span,performance[hp],durability ,torque curve[flat] bottom end pwr or top end pwr . Prime example would be same engine used in mowers and generator produce same pwr but different max rpm m3600 genset1400 PS;to bad people who selected eng 4 Laser XP were counting the dollars "they have a problem houston" TO SMALL 4 60 inch mulch even. Surely somebody is getting the shaft over this one . 1.2ltrs to 1.5ltrs great .950cc to small

[Potchkins]

Ive owned alot of the EFI's and love them. You do need a great dealer when they need to be diagnosed. I do believe you will also need a great dealer if your diesel goes down t

well there's one thing i don't have to worry about my dealer, is better that just great... magneto service