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CrewCutEnterprises
01-20-2006, 08:01 PM
Ok guys, heres a pic of what i have.http://www.lawnsite.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=45509&d=1134256846

CrewCutEnterprises
01-20-2006, 08:10 PM
I went and test drove several new and used vehicles today. Here are my basic choices listing in no particular order.

Capable of towing a 7k trailer without a CDL
#1 Ford F550 GVW 17,500 for 2000 model
#2 Ford LCF or GMC or Izusu GVW 16,000

Not capable of towing a trailer.
#1 Ford F650 GVW 25,500
#2 GMC 5500 GVW 25,500
#3 Isuzu FTR GVW 25,500
#4 International 4700 GVW 25,500

My dilema is I want more carring capacity, easy repair, something i can fix and work on. I'm not sure if I want to be able tow a trailer but it would be a nice option. my 16 ft trailer is rated at 7k. I could buy a 10 ft trailer that has a 3000 gvw for leaf removals etc and derate a 25,500 gvw truck to 22,500.

Im triing to keep it under CDL range. I dont want to have to get it and mainy I dont want to have to hire employees with it.

Help Me anyone.

CrewCutEnterprises
01-20-2006, 08:12 PM
It will be a single cab, with a 12 or 14 ft dump or switch n go system. For landscaping stone work, gravel hauling, leaves and mulch

Smalltimer1
01-20-2006, 08:16 PM
Your best bet would be either a F-650 with the Cummins ISB, or with the C7 Cat.

My personal preference would be the Cat, especially if you want more power and towing capability, but for just putting around with a load the Cummins would be fine.

I know some of the Cats have been having problems with their EGR and injection system, but I hear that they've been pretty much eliminated now.

CrewCutEnterprises
01-20-2006, 08:24 PM
I did like the f650, but the international has better visibility i feel.The f650 has a big grill and im short, it makes it worse

Smalltimer1
01-20-2006, 08:27 PM
I did like the f650, but the international has better visibility i feel.The f650 has a big grill and im short, it makes it worse

The IH does have a larger windshield, and more than likely better mirrors, but as a truck its probably not that much different from the 650 overall.

If I were looking at an IH, I'd look at the 4400 and the 4700 as you said. In any case, it would definitely have a DT-466 under the hood. They are a time proven engine developed in International Harvester farm tractors in the late 70's.

CrewCutEnterprises
01-20-2006, 09:09 PM
The IH does have a larger windshield, and more than likely better mirrors, but as a truck its probably not that much different from the 650 overall.

If I were looking at an IH, I'd look at the 4400 and the 4700 as you said. In any case, it would definitely have a DT-466 under the hood. They are a time proven engine developed in International Harvester farm tractors in the late 70's.

Thanks alot, I agree about a dt 466.I've seen they have used that motor for 15 years. Maybe more.Its a tried and tru motor. Looks good.

Im leaning twards the international 4700 series with dt 466 with auto tranny.

I also like the GMC kodiak's. I've yet to drive them, may do that tomarrow. I do like the international, and there is a dealer 5 mins away

Gravel Rat
01-20-2006, 09:28 PM
The C-7 Cat and Allison works pretty good the utility companies run Internationals with 466 and Allison work not too bad. If you want to haul gravel you will have to stick with a medium duty. You can derate a medium duty with a 33,000lb gvw down to what you need.

Like I meantioned to you a couple times before you want a truck with a minimum 21,000lb rear axle and minimum 9000lb front axle.

CrewCutEnterprises
01-20-2006, 09:42 PM
I can derate a 33k truck too,down to 25,995 or so. As long as it doesnt have air brakes, i should be fine. And thanks for all the info on my other post

Smalltimer1
01-20-2006, 10:58 PM
One more thing that may be worthless to this discussion but might be of interest is that International makes the F-650/750 chassis and Ford puts their choice of engine (Cat, Cummins, or PSD), transmission (Eaton manual or Alli-auto) and the cab on the chassis.

CrewCutEnterprises
01-20-2006, 11:35 PM
Thanks alot

What about a 4700 lo pro dt 466 with alli auto 138" cab to axle. .. Are the low profiles better? I know they are hard to find.

Smalltimer1
01-20-2006, 11:45 PM
Thanks alot

What about a 4700 lo pro dt 466 with alli auto 138" cab to axle. .. Are the low profiles better? I know they are hard to find.

If I'm not mistaken, I believe the Lo-boys cut the payload down, but I'm not real sure how much or if any.

My personal preference on a truck that size is the stick shift, but I know that's something that is more of owner preference. It is my general belief that an auto just doesn't belong in anything bigger than a pickup.

Lawnworks
01-21-2006, 01:15 AM
What are you using the truck for? daily driving and picking up all the chics?:p

CrewCutEnterprises
01-21-2006, 12:33 PM
Nah I use my Acura for that, but shhh dont tell my girlfriend.

For a crusing vehicle an f650 pickup would be nice :cool:

Im looking for a truck to haul mulch in, here most yards take 8 yards of mulch some more some less, I would use it for our leaf removals in the fall when we go to the dump 5 times a day, it would be nice to go once.

Its a big purchase but it would be an end of the year venture for tax purposes. If i cant keep the truck rolling year round, then its hard to have a 700.00 payment. I just would like to make a decision for myself. I really need to decied if im goingto need a trailer anymore after purchasing a switch n go system, that would help me deceide which medium duty truck to buy. a 17,500 to 18,500 for availability to tow a trailer or a 25,500 gvw and I Couldent tow a trailer. I do have 2 pickups that are capable of towing a 14,000 lb trailer, so maybe I dont need another truck that can tow a trailer.. Its hard to say,.

ARG.....

CrewCutEnterprises
01-21-2006, 12:39 PM
here is what we use to dump 5yards of mulch right now. And 2 yards of top soil.But that is maxxed out

http://www.lawnsite.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=25727&d=1094685421
http://www.lawnsite.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=40880&d=1124075452

CrewCutEnterprises
01-21-2006, 12:43 PM
The new truck will hold about 20 yards of leaves and 15 yards of mulch

Last years leaf removal righttp://www.lawnsite.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=42729&d=1128992815 at 8 yards


This year at about 9 yards of leaves.
http://www.lawnsite.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=47182&d=1137022002

Lawnworks
01-21-2006, 04:13 PM
Do you do that much mulch? How many yards a year would you guess?

Gravel Rat
01-21-2006, 06:50 PM
The problem with low pro trucks is ground clearance you will find the fuel tanks etc are too low. Yes lowpro trucks cut your payload back as your limited to what size brakes you can fit in 19.5 wheels. If your running a rolloff body you really don't need a low to the ground truck as you can drop the body on the ground.

CrewCutEnterprises
01-21-2006, 11:37 PM
Um, How many yards of mulch..

We used about 450 yards of mulch this year. Some of the properties took 2 or 3 trips.

We used about 120 yards of topsoil this year. 2 yards max in the truck for short distances, and 1 to 1.5 on long trips.

Gravel installs. 90 tons of gravel installed. 1 to 2 tons of gravel in the truck per trip. And that is over weight.

We have made aproximatly 250 trips to the dump/landfill/compost place. for brush leaves etc.

All of these are close estimates using our $$ / by cost per trip.
A 12 ft versa rack or stake body dump would be great on a 550 ford or gmc 5500. Even better if i can get the switch n go system. Just not sure if i want to go as big as a 14 ft body on an international.

As for low pro, not sure yet.

CrewCutEnterprises
01-21-2006, 11:43 PM
The problem with low pro trucks is ground clearance you will find the fuel tanks etc are too low. Yes lowpro trucks cut your payload back as your limited to what size brakes you can fit in 19.5 wheels. If your running a rolloff body you really don't need a low to the ground truck as you can drop the body on the ground.

I was thinnking that, and i would rather have bigger brakes.

AtoZ
01-23-2006, 02:20 AM
If you are looking for a light duty dump there are only 2 brands - I'm not counting the cabovers. GM and Ford. Gm has the 4500 & 5500. Ford has the F-450 & 550. GMC 5500 has a gvw of 19,500 lbs and the F-550 has a gvw of 19,000 lbs...

New or used you can find any of them relatively easy. For my next purchase I will be getting a 5500 D-max 4x4 with 12' dump body with fold down sides.

I run a F-550 6.0 and have been very happy with it. I can haul 5-6 tons no sweat. Legally only 4 tons. In my state anything over 26,000 lbs requires a cdl. A cdl is no big deal... With the 550 I can put 5 tons in the dump, pull a trailer with utility vehicle and skid loader - with ease. It weighs approx. 32,000 lbs when fully loaded. It pulls this no problem...

Medium duties are a totally different breed and are not to be confused with the GM 5500 or Ford F-550. They can be had in configs. from 19,000 gvw to 33,000 gvw. Lo Pros are not derated and can be had from 20,000 to 26,000 lbs gvw.

I also run a 2005 Freightliner M2 with a 300 hp Mercedes Benze Diesel with 6 speed Allison Auto... It has a gvw of 33,000. I can legally haul 10 tons with it. The M2 makes any D-max or Powerstroke look like a Yugo. There is simply no comparison between a medium and light duty truck. The medium duty will last 4 times longer. Used medium duty are easy to find but are usually only avail. in lower horsepower. My Freightshaker is like putting in 3 D-Max's in the engine bay.

But brand new Medium duties are very expensive. Brand new light duties are not that bad in price. Plan on spending $30,000 to $35,000 on a GMC 5500cab & chassis with D-max....

Travel'n Trees
01-23-2006, 06:02 AM
I like my international, wouldn't touch the FORDS, the zone rep and dealer have threatened to take away my warranty if I use my f550 crew cab psd xlt 4x4 dealer installed dump bed around dirt, rock, or mulch!!! P.S. F-550 FOR SALE!!!Or trade anyone got a Duramax and want to step down a notch to a FORD??

Smalltimer1
01-23-2006, 08:42 AM
I like my international, wouldn't touch the FORDS, the zone rep and dealer have threatened to take away my warranty if I use my f550 crew cab psd xlt 4x4 dealer installed dump bed around dirt, rock, or mulch!!! P.S. F-550 FOR SALE!!!Or trade anyone got a Duramax and want to step down a notch to a FORD??

What a crock....find another dealer. And watch the step down to a Dura.....it's a real steep one...:dizzy:

MacLawnCo
01-23-2006, 01:48 PM
The volume you posted is no where near sufficient to justify a dedicated truck. If you want to reduce the trips to the mulch yard or landfill, get yourself a 14k dump trailer or two and load it up. That is a very cost effective solution to hold you over until you do have volume to justify another truck.

CrewCutEnterprises
01-23-2006, 07:57 PM
The volume you posted is no where near sufficient to justify a dedicated truck. If you want to reduce the trips to the mulch yard or landfill, get yourself a 14k dump trailer or two and load it up. That is a very cost effective solution to hold you over until you do have volume to justify another truck.

So what am I suposed to do, get a 14k dump trailer to pull with a f350 with a gvw of 13,000 gvw.....

AintNoFun
01-23-2006, 08:02 PM
i would say go with the international 4700.. parts are reasonable and the 466 like was previously said is a true workhouse.. theres been a few nice ones on ebay recently too..

CrewCutEnterprises
01-23-2006, 08:04 PM
I like my international, wouldn't touch the FORDS, the zone rep and dealer have threatened to take away my warranty if I use my f550 crew cab psd xlt 4x4 dealer installed dump bed around dirt, rock, or mulch!!! P.S. F-550 FOR SALE!!!Or trade anyone got a Duramax and want to step down a notch to a FORD??

What international do you have? As for ford taking away your warrenty, I do doubt that unless you are abusing it, well wait i think we all do. Id love to hear more information about your truck and what size motor, trans etc.

CrewCutEnterprises
01-23-2006, 08:06 PM
If you are looking for a light duty dump there are only 2 brands - I'm not counting the cabovers. GM and Ford. Gm has the 4500 & 5500. Ford has the F-450 & 550. GMC 5500 has a gvw of 19,500 lbs and the F-550 has a gvw of 19,000 lbs...

New or used you can find any of them relatively easy. For my next purchase I will be getting a 5500 D-max 4x4 with 12' dump body with fold down sides.

I run a F-550 6.0 and have been very happy with it. I can haul 5-6 tons no sweat. Legally only 4 tons. In my state anything over 26,000 lbs requires a cdl. A cdl is no big deal... With the 550 I can put 5 tons in the dump, pull a trailer with utility vehicle and skid loader - with ease. It weighs approx. 32,000 lbs when fully loaded. It pulls this no problem...

Medium duties are a totally different breed and are not to be confused with the GM 5500 or Ford F-550. They can be had in configs. from 19,000 gvw to 33,000 gvw. Lo Pros are not derated and can be had from 20,000 to 26,000 lbs gvw.

I also run a 2005 Freightliner M2 with a 300 hp Mercedes Benze Diesel with 6 speed Allison Auto... It has a gvw of 33,000. I can legally haul 10 tons with it. The M2 makes any D-max or Powerstroke look like a Yugo. There is simply no comparison between a medium and light duty truck. The medium duty will last 4 times longer. Used medium duty are easy to find but are usually only avail. in lower horsepower. My Freightshaker is like putting in 3 D-Max's in the engine bay.

But brand new Medium duties are very expensive. Brand new light duties are not that bad in price. Plan on spending $30,000 to $35,000 on a GMC 5500cab & chassis with D-max....

So could I Derate a 4700 to 18,500 lbs?? or to 22,500 lbs? each option would leave the ability to Tow a trailer. Thanks for all the information

CrewCutEnterprises
01-23-2006, 08:10 PM
Ok, Well I went and test drove somemore trucks.

#1 1999International 4700 with DT 466 and allison auto, very easy to drive, It had a 16 ft body but i want a 14 footer. 25,500 gvw

#2 2003 Ford f550 with 12 food solid side dump. Powerstoke 6 liter, auto trans 17,500 gvw

The other vehicle i would like to drive is the
GMC 5500 topkick, duramax and an auto transmission. 12 or 14 ft dump.


The best all around option is the 1999 to 2001 international. Its a nice all around heavy duty truck and the best part is the dealer is 2 mins away, really 2 mins, it would be great. As for justifing the purchase, it would be an end of year purchase about mid sept or so. I like to plan ahead.

Gravel Rat
01-23-2006, 09:02 PM
If I was going to be hauling larger amounts of material I probably would stick with a medium duty. If you want to pull a trailer and haul a partial load you are going to need a 5 ton.

I don't think a F-550 will handle a trailer plus a load on the truck it will be okay just for just a load in the truck.

CrewCutEnterprises
01-23-2006, 09:40 PM
If I was going to be hauling larger amounts of material I probably would stick with a medium duty. If you want to pull a trailer and haul a partial load you are going to need a 5 ton.

I don't think a F-550 will handle a trailer plus a load on the truck it will be okay just for just a load in the truck.

A 5 ton is capable of hauling 5 tons, or the international.

I think $30,000 for a 5 ton with like 125k on a dt 466 4700 series truck is a good deal.??? right

Gravel Rat
01-23-2006, 11:40 PM
A 5 ton truck with a 30-35,000lb gvw will carry 5 ton I don't think a truck with a 26,000lb gvw will carry 5 ton not enough gvw. When you figure the tare (empty) weight of the truck will be minimum 12,000lbs it probably will be more like 14,000lbs so technically it will give you a 6 ton payload.

A truck with a 26,000lb gvw is a 3 ton truck even the new schoolbusses running around this area have 35,000lb gvws now. That is a 72 Passenger Bluebird Vision with Cat power.

Only down in the states are 3 ton rated trucks are used mainly because your DOT doesn't figure US citizens are not compentent enough to operate a heavier gvw truck. Here in Canada you can operate a single axle straight truck with any gvw which usually is 35,000lbs some singles have a 38,000lb gvw with a regular drivers license no CDL needed. You need a CDL to operate a tandem axle or a tractor and trailer.

As for price you will get more bang for the buck out of a medium duty over a F-450 or F-550 or 4500 or 5500 that will be worn out before its completely paid for. A medium duty is rebuildable a light duty really isn't worth rebuilding usually once the motor is worn out the chassis is junk.

I know your liking the idea of the automatic personally for what you want to do go with the 6spd manual they are not hard to shift its no different than driving a P/U with a 6spd. When that big automatic decides to puke its big bucks to replace or repair. The automatic sucks up alot of the engines power it is also hard on the trucks brakes as it doesn't have the hold back power you really need a telma brake (electromagnet shaft brake) to help in the braking.

You are probably going with a truck with juice brakes so already its lacking braking power. You get a truck with a automatic you will be burning up sets of brakes pretty quick. You will definatly need a Telma brake which is big bucks but worth every penny. The Telma brake will probably do 70% of the braking action the trucks brakes will be only for making a complete stop.

hosejockey2002
01-24-2006, 12:22 AM
A 5 ton truck with a 30-35,000lb gvw will carry 5 ton I don't think a truck with a 26,000lb gvw will carry 5 ton not enough gvw. When you figure the tare (empty) weight of the truck will be minimum 12,000lbs it probably will be more like 14,000lbs so technically it will give you a 6 ton payload.

I must have missed something during math classes in school. You say that a 26000 gvw truck will not carry 5 tons, because the gvw is too low. Then you say that the empty weight of the truck will be 12-14000 lbs. Then you go on to say that the 14000 empty weight gives you a 6 ton payload. 6 tons is more than 5, right? And if a truck weighs 12000 empty and has a 26000 gvw, it should carry 14000, correct? There is 2000 lbs. to a ton, right? I think I'm slow, so explain why a 26000 gvw truck can't carry 5 tons if it weighs 12000 lbs.:confused:

Gravel Rat
01-24-2006, 12:30 AM
Its a guesstimate the truck will probably weigh more than 12,000lbs as most F-550 Fords with dump bodies weigh 10,000lbs. A 3 ton truck is way too light I guess you guys are so used to dealing with light medium duties its normal to use a 26,000lb gvw truck. On the 5 ton trucks here most guys are grossing them to 38,000lbs I know one guy he grosses his 5 ton truck to 40,000lbs.

A good heavy duty 5 ton truck should beable to pack 7-8 ton we have put 10 ton on a 5 ton truck.

The only way you are going to make the 26,000lb gvw truck to work is make the dump box or dump bodies out of light but strong construction.

AtoZ
01-24-2006, 01:07 AM
Ok -

Your guys are really confusing with your tonnage...

The correct terminology would be great -

Class 1 0 - 6,000 lbs
Class 2 6,001 - 10,000 lbs
Class 3 10,001 - 14,000 bs
Class 4 14,001 - 16,000 lbs
Class 5 16,001 - 19,500 lbs
Class 6 19,501 - 26,000 lbs/Medium Duty
Class 7 26,701 - 33,000 lbs/Medium Duty

A medium duty with a 12' box usually weighs about 12,000 lbs. Or you can call it a 2 ton. With a gvw of 26,000 - non-cdl - you can carry exactly 7 tons of material. If you go over 26,000 lbs or have a loaded truck and trailer above 26,000 lbs - you will need a cdl...

Crew Cut - What's with derating the truck? Why would you do this. The only time you would ever derate a truck is to get it under cdl requirements...

CrewCutEnterprises
01-25-2006, 12:06 AM
Ok So a class 6 International Cab and chassis 138" cab to axle length weighs about 9000 lbs. per http://www.internationaldelivers.com/site_layout/vehiclecenters/detail.asp?model=4300#

The Switch n go system with a body weighs about 3 to 4000 lbs depending on the body So gross weight is about 12,000 to 13,000 lbs. 26k minus 13,000 is 13,000 lbs or 6.5 Tons Of weight. I dont haul alot of weight its mostly volume. The heaviest thing we carry is gravel and its not every day.

Or f550weighs about 10,000 lbs with a body so you are looking at 7,500 lbs or carrying capacity 3.75 tons.

As for going with the medium duty truck, Im starting to think its a no brainer as they are rebuildable or Rehab-able. New motor new trans. Good as new...

Atoz As for the using the wrong classifications, im sorry. As for needing a cdl, yes My whole objective is to keep it under 26,000 lbs. I watch people overload their f550's all day long. It was a thought, But I think I would be better going with a larger truck.

Gravel rat, as for derating the truck, If I wanted my crew to be able to tow a small 6 x 12 trailer behind the truck without having a cdl, as it has a 3000 lb GVW and if i derated the truck to 22,500 lbs. It is just a thought.

As for the 6 Speed, yea i can drive a stick, my car is stick, as for holding going down hills, and as far as wear and tear, they are great. The auto is always easier for multiple drivers to use. Also whats a telma brake? like a jake brake? or exaust brake? I would plan on putting one on the autotranny if possible, as we have them on our fire trucks and I KNOW, you guys dont use your brakes like we do! We are hard on some brake rotors. The jake brake is nice for when you want to slow gradually and save your service brakes.

MacLawnCo
01-25-2006, 12:20 AM
So what am I suposed to do, get a 14k dump trailer to pull with a f350 with a gvw of 13,000 gvw.....
13000 isnt your GCVW. I dont see the issue?

CrewCutEnterprises
01-25-2006, 12:32 AM
13000 isnt your GCVW. I dont see the issue?

I could not tow a 14k trailer with a F350 with a gvw of 13,000. My
GCVW is over 26k. Then I need a CDL. Right? Are we on the same page, A dump trailer is nice, but, thats if you like towing or trust your guys towing a trailer around with 10,000 lbs in it, and trailer tires get expensive, those front ones on a tandem axel wear out every year from doin u turns

MacLawnCo
01-25-2006, 12:53 AM
its all up to you. Im just stating that you have not proven a need for the piece you are wanting. There are steppings stones to get to where you want to go, but you seem to want to bypass them and head straight to the big rig...

I personally dont give a rats about CDL this and CDL that. Im gona run it as I need it and if they pull me over then I guess thats that.

Trailer training should be part of all new employee hires if they cant perform for you then they dont get a job. And what are we talking about, a few hundred for tires? Sure beats nearly a grand a month for a note.

CrewCutEnterprises
01-25-2006, 02:28 AM
big rig...

I personally dont give a rats about CDL this and CDL that. Im gona run it as I need it and if they pull me over then I guess thats that.

Trailer training should be part of all new employee hires if they cant perform for you then they dont get a job. And what are we talking about, a few hundred for tires? Sure beats nearly a grand a month for a note.

Um, yea a few hundred for tires, constant cracked taillights or bad wires for lights or electric brakes. Truck payment would be 500.00 month, Its going to cost 30k and im trading a truck in on it.

As for the CDL, when you get pulled over and get a $3000.00 fine for needing a cdl, DOT does random checks on trucks and trailers over 10k. your GVW or GCVW are over 10k you need a DOT number.. Im new to this also. we got caught fora bunch of minor stuff a month ago and it was 300.00 in fines.

Need DOT number
Fire ex
Flares
Roadside triangles
Loads have to be secured forward, rever and laterally.
Driver must have medical certification card.

There is a reason to STAY UNDER THE RADAR OF DOT.



I personally dont give a rats about CDL this and CDL that. Im gona run it as I need it and if they pull me over then I guess thats that.


As for that statement, well you said it yourself.....It just doesnt sound professional. Period.

CrewCutEnterprises
01-25-2006, 02:39 AM
its all up to you. Im just stating that you have not proven a need for the piece you are wanting. There are steppings stones to get to where you want to go, but you seem to want to bypass them and head straight to the big rig...


As for this, its kinda like a customer of mine that went with the lower bid, had a pea gravel driveway installed. Lasted 1 year I tore out the crappy "other" contractors instakk and replaced properly because the contractor put 8 inches of pea gravel over topsoil with out a subbase or fabric

Some stones are meant to be stepped over or done right the first time. I feel a f550 is junk after 10 years while a med duty is just getting broken in. I dont want to have to go through the learning process, I want it right the first time

AtoZ
01-25-2006, 03:32 AM
Originally Posted by MacLawnCo


I personally dont give a rats about CDL this and CDL that. Im gona run it as I need it and if they pull me over then I guess thats that.

Very Irresponsible...

I hope you never run into me on the road. Sounds like your on the right path. Medium duty's are great - One thing, make sure it has a high horsepower rating - you don't need it but you sure will like it better... Also remember that mediums duties are not pickups, they are slower but never complain about loading heavy...

AtoZ
01-25-2006, 03:34 AM
Oh -

And remember, equipment is only as good as you treat it...

CrewCutEnterprises
01-25-2006, 07:14 PM
Ok, I'll remember that. I know they are sluggish, but they do go.

I test drove an isuzu with the switch n go body on it today, Gosh they do drive great, but as far as weight handling, i dont know. I dont know how much I really need to carry, I just figure the larger the better, but as long as its controlable.

Potomac Lawns Inc.
01-25-2006, 07:25 PM
Crewcut,
I drive a fuel truck in the winter here in southern md and its a 1994 international with allison automatic 33klb gvw and has air brakes, in the 2 winter seasons i have drove this same truck i have had no brake problems such as wearing pads out, and i have never had a trans problem its a great truck put about 100 miles a day on it with 2800 gallons of heating oil on it, if you have any questions just shoot me an email.


Steve

CrewCutEnterprises
01-25-2006, 07:40 PM
Hey Potomac. What kind of truck??

Im in Edgewater so im not so far away. Thanks for the information.

Potomac Lawns Inc.
01-25-2006, 07:44 PM
international 4900

CrewCutEnterprises
01-25-2006, 11:09 PM
Thanks potomac.

Ok an update, Anyone who has never gone and SEEN the switch n go system, do so. The winch is HUGE. The system seems very well thought out and really goes on and off with ease.

I looked at the 12 and the 14 ft bodies they make.

to a chassis witha 138 inch cab to axle with a weight of like 9000 lbs,
the 14 ft medium duty body weighs 2250 and the system that bolts to the truck weighs 1625. The bumper and fenders weigh 450 lbs.

Total weightof 13,325. subtract it from 25,500 lbs and you get 12,175 lbs.

Subtract your drivers weight and you have 12,000 lbs of carrying capacity or 6 Tons. All in a roll off package. My plan is to run 10, 15 and 20 yard containers.

Any insite would be great

mrusk
01-26-2006, 10:36 AM
I do not understand what the heck Mac is talking about saying that Crewcut is wanting something he does not need. Right now it looks like hes running 500 loads a year. Thats alot of loads if you ask me. If he had a bigger truck it would be alot less loads which will save him gas and man hours. There is no reason to buy a f550. A new one will cost you 50k and be shot in 10 years or less. Buy a medium duty rig with 100k and it will last you 20 years and save you 20k on the initals purchuse. It seems like a no brainer to me.

If i was you i'd proably look at other hook lift/roll off companies instead of switch and go. It seems like there might be some better units out there for the same price.

Gravel Rat
01-26-2006, 02:14 PM
A medium duty would be the way to go if you already have a regular P/U to drive as a work truck. I can see using a F-550 when your a one man band like I'am you would use the truck for a work truck and a daily driver.

As for brakes you have to remember air brakes are heavier compared to juice brakes.

CrewCutEnterprises
01-26-2006, 08:17 PM
I do not understand what the heck Mac is talking about saying that Crewcut is wanting something he does not need. Right now it looks like hes running 500 loads a year. Thats alot of loads if you ask me. If he had a bigger truck it would be alot less loads which will save him gas and man hours. There is no reason to buy a f550. A new one will cost you 50k and be shot in 10 years or less. Buy a medium duty rig with 100k and it will last you 20 years and save you 20k on the initals purchuse. It seems like a no brainer to me.

If i was you i'd proably look at other hook lift/roll off companies instead of switch and go. It seems like there might be some better units out there for the same price.

Yea we do haul a good amount of loads. Im Going with a medium duty, not positive what brand though.

What other brands could you recommend? I would do a cable roll off. There are always pros and cons, and the switch n go system is built better than i thought, and for 10,000.00 Its affordable, 2500 for a can. etc

As for having a pickup truck, yes we do, we have 2, and i have an integra (in my name)for the weekends, and the explorer for Estimates etc when the crews are working during the summer. Im planning on trading in or selling the green f250 and hopefully break even to purchase the medium duty truck. Here is a picture
http://www.lawnsite.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=45509&d=1134256846

mrusk
01-26-2006, 08:23 PM
Crew cut- do a search on hook lift and roll off in this section and under heavy equipment. We had some long threads about this a couple months ago.

Marek
01-26-2006, 08:28 PM
Go to E bay and search for Bucks Fabricating , they have a bunch of cans on there right now and there is a hook lift in Salsbury on there also.

CrewCutEnterprises
01-26-2006, 09:01 PM
Go to E bay and search for Bucks Fabricating , they have a bunch of cans on there right now and there is a hook lift in Salsbury on there also.


Ahh hey marek. I dident seen anything on ebay

Call and go here, go and look at the demo, they are built alot more heavy duty than you think. I was in aw, atleast for the price.

McCahan Body & Trailer Co
Henry Heisterhagan
7189 Montevideo Road
Jessup, MD 20794
410-799-7400 : Ph
800-622-2426 : Ph
410-799-5411 : Fax
dcmccahan@aol.com

Marek
01-26-2006, 09:08 PM
Did you look at the demo that was on the Isuzu? Thats the one that I looked at and wasnt impressed, very light weight.Maybe they have a heavier version.On e bay look up roll off containers

CrewCutEnterprises
01-27-2006, 12:22 AM
it was on a 2005 or 6 gmc. It was heavy duty i thought, Its not all hydrolic which has its drawbacks, it sucks alot off the battery.

What things did you not like?? I just want some insight. It was a 12 ft body.

Scag48
01-27-2006, 12:52 AM
What about a Freightliner FL60? They are pretty decent trucks. I know the FL70 has a GVW of 33K, but you can run that down to 22,500 if you wanted to. Just a thought.

CrewCutEnterprises
01-27-2006, 12:55 AM
Yea scag, I thought of the fl 70, they can be found in 25,500 gvw so they are under cdl. They are plentiful also, problem is no dealer for 25 miles, and Ive driven our fl 70 medic unit and ambulances and the county has had alot of problems with them. Otherwise, i love to drive them, just wouldent want to front the repair bill.

Either way i could derate the truck to 22,500 or 18,500