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Marco09
01-25-2006, 01:06 AM
Are there any hardscaping schools out there? I'm beginning to find out that the school OSU ATI, is basically teaching me plants and not the things I'm really interested in.(hardscapes, lighting, irrigation, etc.). Does anyone have any idears or advice?

MarcusLndscp
01-25-2006, 10:29 AM
Along with your education get a good summer job as an apprentice. When I was in school they taught us the theories and simple techniques for bases, patios, walls, slopes etc but that's all only a guideline. Once you're in the field everything changes. You will supplement your work with small pieces of info you learned in school but being in the field is almost never a textbook situation. You simply can't predict all the factors you're going to run into. Find a company who is reputable and doing quality work on a regular basis. Listen, watch and be willing to learn. Hardscaping is a trade that is best learned hands on.....IMO.
By the way I am not saying school is a waste of time, it's a great foundation for your career. I'm glad I did it.

Dreams To Designs
01-25-2006, 07:47 PM
Marco, Marcus is absolutely correct. Get the education from classes and books, but you will learn the most by doing. If you want an education in hardscape, lighting & irrigation, find an installer that does them all or better yet, work with specialists. If you are in a hurry to do it all, you will find yourself in a bad situation. Check with OSU to see if they have a continuing education or professional education department. Rutgers in NJ offers excellent short courses during the winter months that give you enough information to understand the basics and network with others in the fields you desire. Many of the dealers or manufacturers offer seminars either independently or along with trade shows. Pavetech, a manufacturer of paver installation tools and accesories does have a school that you can check out.
http://www.paverschool.com/

Kirk

jreiff
01-25-2006, 11:40 PM
Hate to highjack the thread, just wondering if anyone has taken the Pave Tech course from the web site that Dreams To Designs just posted???

mbella
01-25-2006, 11:45 PM
Are there any hardscaping schools out there? I'm beginning to find out that the school OSU ATI, is basically teaching me plants and not the things I'm really interested in.(hardscapes, lighting, irrigation, etc.). Does anyone have any idears or advice?


I know of a real good school. The best part, it's free. It's a lot of hard work and you'd have to travel to PA. Let me know if you're interested.:)

Seriously, Marcus gave you some good advice.

Marco09
01-26-2006, 12:22 AM
mbella, if you could email me some info, for some reason i can't email you so yeah I'd like to learn more about the school your talking about. thanks!
roose.17@osu.edu

cgland
01-26-2006, 12:26 AM
Marco - He is referring to YOU working for HIM!

Chris

mbella
01-26-2006, 12:30 AM
Marco - He is referring to YOU working for HIM!

Chris

Bastard!!!!

klkanders
01-26-2006, 01:33 AM
Hey Guys I think I have heard of that school! Isnt it UOHK?

jreiff
01-26-2006, 05:09 PM
That's good comedy...

Marco09
01-26-2006, 07:43 PM
Hey comedians on here, keep the comedy to a minimum, that was kind of funny though!

mbella
01-26-2006, 08:32 PM
Hey comedians on here, keep the comedy to a minimum, that was kind of funny though!


Sorry Marco. I get silly sometimes. I did try to give it away with the "Seriously" part though.

DVS Hardscaper
01-26-2006, 08:40 PM
Something tells me Marco is blond?? :alien:

LOL


There are so many variables with hardscapes (variables are a reason why hardscapes exist), that I believe the best way to learn is to get out there and work hands on.

how much you lookin to make? We could use some extra summer help.

Marco09
01-28-2006, 07:07 PM
"how much you lookin to make? We could use some extra summer help."
DVS hardscaper
ooo prolly around 20-30 an hour......
and I'm not blonde at a all, so i must just be stupid, damn

mbella
01-28-2006, 07:11 PM
"how much you lookin to make? We could use some extra summer help."
DVS hardscaper
ooo prolly around 20-30 an hour......
and I'm not blonde at a all, so i must just be stupid, damn

20-30 per hour, now you're being silly:) . What are they teaching you in school?

MarcusLndscp
01-28-2006, 08:40 PM
LMFAO - 20-30 per hour!!!!! I hope you're kidding! :eek:

mbella
01-28-2006, 08:45 PM
LMFAO - 20-30 per hour!!!!! I hope you're kidding! :eek:

Marc, obviously, we both agree that that dollar amount is not a reality for a student.

However, in this area, it is a reality for a seasoned hardscape foreman. Is the same true in your area?

MarcusLndscp
01-28-2006, 08:56 PM
Mike I've seen anything from 16-30 around new england offered depending on the employer for a seasoned foreman. Someone with no experience.....you'd be lucky at 10-12.

mbella
01-28-2006, 09:05 PM
Mike I've seen anything from 16-30 around new england offered depending on the employer for a seasoned foreman. Someone with no experience.....you'd be lucky at 10-12.

Here, you aint gettin $10.00 with no experience. You'd get $9.00 and that's if you have a driver's license.

MarcusLndscp
01-28-2006, 09:20 PM
The only reason I say 10-12 is because of the schooling and the fact that he/she has chosen this to be their career. It's worth something that they could become a more permanent part of your company in the near future. But like I said in the earlier post.....if you're lucky 10-12

DVS Hardscaper
01-28-2006, 09:52 PM
$20 an hr could be very possible.

If you have a CDL.

If you can manage a crew.

If you are a hard, consistant worker.

If you are reliable, and can think on your own.

MarcusLndscp
01-28-2006, 10:02 PM
With all you posted DVS $20 is very easy......for someone who is new and in school w/ no field experience, no way.

cgland
01-28-2006, 10:06 PM
$20 for someone who is learning from you? No way! I can see it if you have a career, seasoned foreman wanting to work for you, but not someone who is working with you just to learn the trade and then.....BAM! He's gone. $10-$12 for an intern or apprentice MAX!

Chris

DVS Hardscaper
01-29-2006, 11:53 AM
With all you posted DVS $20 is very easy......for someone who is new and in school w/ no field experience, no way.


That was my whole point Marcus.


Man......you guys are really on the ball lately...

MarcusLndscp
01-29-2006, 12:15 PM
That was my whole point Marcus.


Man......you guys are really on the ball lately...


Wasn't trying to sound forward DVS just didn't want this kid to have his perception of this exagerated any more. I misunderstood your direct point....my appologies are given :)

DVS Hardscaper
01-29-2006, 06:07 PM
Thats cool.


You internet message board people sure are a tough crowd to get to laugh!

MarcusLndscp
01-29-2006, 08:41 PM
Yeah it's tough sometimes DVS. It's hard sometimes trying to figure people out from what they type, you just can't always tell if they're kidding or serious or pizzed. Take Mike and Chris for instance, when I first started reading on here I use to think they were just strange and well I still do :p but you can't ever take those two seriously. It's a slow process for me trying to figure out someones personality online.:)

Marco09
01-29-2006, 11:48 PM
Yeah i was obviously joking. 8-12 dollars is kind of what I expect! Bacially since I know nothing(not from lack of schooling just lack of experience). Hense this whole school thing that Im going to. Most of what I'm going to learn is going to be in the field. DVS yeah these guys are a tough crowd. Ill save you guys the trouble of trying to figure out my personality. Generally I'm never serious, when I am serious is when I'm working, or fighting fire(firefighter I am).

kootoomootoo
01-30-2006, 12:10 AM
mbella, if you could email me some info, for some reason i can't email you so yeah I'd like to learn more about the school your talking about. thanks!
roose.17@osu.edu


Bella Vista University.



Where are you living this summer Marco? I have a few patios, custom trip steps, irrigation systems, landscape lighting, hydroseeding and waterfalls to do.

Marco09
01-31-2006, 12:03 AM
More than likely I will be living in Bryan, Oh, my hometown. But I might be looking for an internship at the last part of the summer and for Autumn Quarter. The thing is, is that I need to have housing provided. I know for some of you the smaller companies thats hard to do, but thats one of MY requirements. Trugreen, Brickman, and Valley Crest for sure will set me up with housing.

DVS Hardscaper
01-31-2006, 01:36 PM
Hardscaping is hard, physical work.

And in all seriousness, I believe in compensating people to the fullest extent for their hard earned efforts, regardless of experience.

Although one may be inexperienced and is learning, what I look at is the fact that they worked hard consistantly, are a team player, speak english, give 100%, and willingly learn quickly.

And if someone does those things, then one can expect to make $14 - $16 per hour with us. But that is based on them being worth it as long as they are employed here.

Field work is nothing more than a group of guys or gals, digging, grading, excavating, screeding, laying, cutting, measuring, and spreading. Yes we have machines for most of this. But all in all, it boils down to labor more than thinking. yet, thinking shall not be underestimated. People that work hard need to be paid for their hard work and efforts. I have had inexperienced employees work their tails off and proven in the first week they are work more than $10 - $12 / hr.

But then again, if we're providing housing....the pay would reflect that.