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Collin
02-01-2006, 07:59 PM
How do you get real green grass? I picked up two HOA's that are in bad shape. The grass is brown. How and where do I start?

daveintoledo
02-01-2006, 08:08 PM
:p j/k


you get your applicators license, properly fertilize and have proper irrigation

Collin
02-01-2006, 08:21 PM
:p j/k


you get your applicators license, properly fertilize and have proper irrigation
I am studying for it. Is there any tricks on passing the class?

SodKing
02-01-2006, 08:22 PM
I am studying for it. Is there any tricks on passing the class?

Study, listen, be smart....study some more

Flex-Deck
02-01-2006, 08:30 PM
Pray for rain - LOL - a little urea, or ammonia nitrate will kick start it however in the early spring.

Jay's Lawncare
02-01-2006, 08:37 PM
hey collin, where do you get the books to study for the nc applicator's license?

Cutters Lawn Care
02-01-2006, 08:48 PM
The grass is probably brown because it's dormant. What type of grass is it? I'm just guessing it's bermuda. If it is it will come out of dormancy the last part of March or the first of April.

KeystoneLawn&Landscaping
02-01-2006, 08:52 PM
Jay...someone in your states department of Ag should be able to point you where to get those books...here in PA they come from Penn State...I'm taking my applicator test on friday...I havnt found any of the study materials to be overwhelming, just read the stuff and write notes and you will be fine..Good Luck:blob1:

YardPro
02-01-2006, 08:56 PM
lol...
you gotta be kidding????

you took on two commercial accounts and you are asking this question.....
seriously.....

first what kind of grass is it??? if you don't know you're in way over your head....

if it is centipede, zoysia or bermuda it is dormant.. only way to make it look green is to overseed with rye or paint it...

Pecker
02-01-2006, 09:15 PM
Don't do anything. It will turn green in March or April whether you do anything or not. Then if it is not green enough, put a little fertilizer on it and make sure it gets a good deep watering about twice a week.

northwest lawn
02-01-2006, 09:15 PM
colin no need to worry hell i took the test and passed it without studying good luck

jtkplc
02-01-2006, 09:18 PM
:p j/k


you get your applicators license, properly fertilize and have proper irrigation

That was my thought, really green grass = really green paint!

JS Landscaping
02-01-2006, 09:26 PM
What ever you do, dont let True green chem lawn near it, if you think its bad now im sure they will make it worse, hence the name tru-brown......but if the grass is dormant there is nothing you can do about it til the growing season comes around. But if its not, get your licence and start applications, good money in it.....Good luck!



James
JS LANDSCAPING

Jpocket
02-01-2006, 09:40 PM
A good balance between IRON & NITROGEN = Really Green Grass. OH and pray for rain, that Helps too LOL!

yrdandgardenhandyman
02-01-2006, 09:55 PM
A good balance between IRON & NITROGEN = Really Green Grass. OH and pray for rain, that Helps too LOL!



Lightning storms seem to help too. :waving:

befnme
02-01-2006, 09:58 PM
The grass is probably brown because it's dormant. What type of grass is it? I'm just guessing it's bermuda. If it is it will come out of dormancy the last part of March or the first of April.

contact nc state university or look here:

http://ipm.ncsu.edu/pesticidesafety/

Mlc gmc03
02-02-2006, 12:35 AM
mainly just use iron even miloranite would work well in the spring you dont want to use alot of nitrogen the grass is already growing fast enoguh and giving it even more nitrogen will only make the plant use up more of its storage that it will need in the hot and dry months the iron isnt a permanet fix though it only lasts a month or so you can also get liquid iron that u can tank mix when you do your herb apps but becareful and make sure your spray rig is set up for it because iron is very hard on them

nobagger
02-02-2006, 06:59 AM
A couple of guys had said it, Iron and Nitrogen should do the trick. I found some fert. last year with 8% Iron and a high % of Nitrogen (I can't remember the amount of Nitrogen) But it greened up the lawns very well and we were in drought conditions from July until October (pretty much the end of the cutting season). Oh, and water will help too. Even suggest aerating it. But yeah if you are doing these types of accounts you really should know this stuff.:waving:

Tim Wright
02-02-2006, 10:58 AM
I have just completed a sales video for a product line that is used on ag and turf grass. It is going bonkers with golf courses, and I am going to start using it on all of my lawns and seeding jobs.

I have customer testimonials from all over the place on video.

The products are APSA-80, and non-ionic surfactant & wetting agent that opens up the soil to release the nutrients, and Nutriplant AG and SD. Micro-nutrients.

I can give you the links to watch the videos, and I can hook you up with the products at either retail or wholesale prices, depending on which you prefer.

Email me for the links to the videos.

Also it has a no questions ask quarantee, for all money back if it does not work. But if you follow instructions, it works.

Give it a good look.

my email is:

tdwright@wrightimagevideo.com

I haven't built my lawn care web site yet, so you have to use my video email.

Tim

echovalley
02-02-2006, 11:43 AM
Like they said Iron

lugnut#6
02-02-2006, 12:22 PM
ever try lime?

youngbuck
02-02-2006, 01:06 PM
iron makes the grass green but nitrogen makes it green and promotes shoot growth but u need rain u can put down all the fert you want but kn ow rain no grow.

Collin
02-02-2006, 07:29 PM
hey collin, where do you get the books to study for the nc applicator's license?

Call NC State university and they will send them to you.

Collin
02-02-2006, 07:32 PM
lol...
you gotta be kidding????

you took on two commercial accounts and you are asking this question.....
seriously.....

first what kind of grass is it??? if you don't know you're in way over your head....

if it is centipede, zoysia or bermuda it is dormant.. only way to make it look green is to overseed with rye or paint it...

I do know that it is bermuda grass and I have been doing this for twenty years. I was just asking to see if anyone has a few pointers.

SodKing
02-02-2006, 07:33 PM
Thank you Tim for that shameless self promotion....you should look into actually paying for the advertisement...

yes yes...another wetting agent. It is not exactly taking the golf industry by storm we have been using wetting agents for a great many years...this one doesn't appear to be any different.

out4now
02-02-2006, 07:34 PM
Apply water :p

Tim Wright
02-08-2006, 12:20 AM
Sod King- I apologies for affending you.

However, You are welcome.

If you don't want it, no problem. But, if you get sick, don't talk to your mother in law (like mine, who knows everything about everything) you go and see a doctor. If the doctor is a quack, get a different doctor.

If you want to be a race care driver, don't ask the guy who's care is up on blocks in the back yard about it.

Ask those who are doing it, what ever it is.

Now it appears as though you are NOT the person who asked me for the links. If you are then I apologize for my mistake. But if I am right and you are not that person, then how do you know that these are just like all of the others. In fact, if you listen to those who have used them all, and used these, and they tell you that there is a difference, who are you to argue with those when you yourself have not tried these on a test plot for yourself.

I am telling you what I have seen personally, and what others, both users and objective testers have found, through there testimony on video. If you don't believe them, and if you don't want to make money selling and using them, that is perfectly fine with me.

Yes it was risky mentioning such products, and I am not here to shamelessly promote myself, but if the product works, why mention it, and not tell others where they can get it. That is all.

Best wishes to you, and much success.

Tim

meets1
02-08-2006, 12:30 AM
I prefer the paint method or artificial turf!

Iron, Nit. water, warmer weather,

cuttinggrassiscool
02-08-2006, 01:25 AM
just a word of cauttion, dont apply to much nitrogen, the lawn can only take in so much, recent studies in my area have shown half pound per thousand. at any rate i believe a smaller amount more frequently is the best, maybe someone will correct me? good luck

down size
02-13-2006, 11:06 PM
just ad a little fertilizer spring, keep sharp blades and cut different directions .it doesnt hurt to jump in over your head !thats how you learn and ask questions. some people are not lucky enough to know everything

South Florida Lawns
02-14-2006, 12:25 AM
Isn't it obvious?

Water

Fert

Weed control

Time

brucec32
02-15-2006, 03:59 AM
Ha! Cart before horse.

Unless you stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night, shouldn't you obtain the knowledge to do all this before you obtain new customers?

OnMyOwn
02-15-2006, 08:52 AM
There are many seasoned professionals on this site that are extremely helpful to the newbies. Unfortunately, there are also a few arrogant individuals that seem to validate their status with "comeback" postings.

People ask questions on this site to gain experience and help. For those of you not willing to answer questions such as Collin's, why don't you keep your opinions to yourself.

Collin,
It is off-season, so wait until spring and take a look at the situation. Most HOA's are not going to the expense to install irrigation, if it is not already stubbed. Therefore, you will have to get a licensed applicator in there for a year, or two to bring the lawn around. Use proper cutting techniques during the season and offer a fall aeration and over-seeding.

Good Luck

brucec32
02-20-2006, 02:27 AM
There are many seasoned professionals on this site that are extremely helpful to the newbies. Unfortunately, there are also a few arrogant individuals that seem to validate their status with "comeback" postings.

People ask questions on this site to gain experience and help. For those of you not willing to answer questions such as Collin's, why don't you keep your opinions to yourself.

Collin,
It is off-season, so wait until spring and take a look at the situation. Most HOA's are not going to the expense to install irrigation, if it is not already stubbed. Therefore, you will have to get a licensed applicator in there for a year, or two to bring the lawn around. Use proper cutting techniques during the season and offer a fall aeration and over-seeding.

Good Luck

Well, maybe the opinions include ones like these:

Adding tons of incompetent individuals to the industry, those not ready to perform the services competently before hanging out their own shingle, only serves to destroy its perception in the economy. This affects each of us in our ability to demand a fair price for our services, since if we're all perceived as yahoos by the public why should anyone pay us what we're worth? I would say that "how do you get grass really green?" qualifies as a question by someone who isn't qualified to have his own lawn business yet. Hence my comment "cart before the horse". Would you like your new home built by someone who has to ask "hey, how do you build a house" on an internet forum?" Or your surgery performed by an individual who asks "what's a pancreas?" It's just a matter of degree.

Some of us might happen to have the opinion that it's unfair for unlicensed and uninsured individuals to go out wreaking havoc on lawns and water sources that results in more onerous government regulation for the rest of us. You see, it may not be obvious to you, but if you don't know what makes grass green, it's likely that you haven't passed a licensing test, and if you aren't licensed, you certainly do not have insurance for applications. And if you don't know that overapplying nitrogen near a lake will soon have it full of algae, it will result in a lot of smelly dead fish, a garish green color, and the homeowners marching down to city hall and demanding we all get further formal training that the rest of us competent, licensed applicators don't really need. All because some guy decided this was so easy he could learn the business in a few posts on the internet.

Read your history. Guilds and apprenticeships were once mandatory to even work in many fields. Is it too much to ask someone to maybe get take a short correspondence course in his field at a cost of about $300 before letting loose on the community?

I have literally read posts here asking how to change blades. The individuals mowed and mowed on customers' lawns till the blades were stumps before even thinking about it. Do you think that maybe that makes these customers see as something approaching Forrest Gump? And that maybe it'd be in everyone's interest, his included, to at least get some rudimentary training before heading out there?

You can read my posts and see that most of them are answers to questions by "newbies" and trying to be helpful. But I'm not going to sit here and pretend that it isn't asinine to start signing up customers before you know what you're doing.

OnMyOwn
02-20-2006, 09:12 AM
Bruce 32,

I understand and abide your comments as a licensed, insured professional with a Bachelor's degree in business. I do agree with you that many folks with a S-10, a mtd 21" and a pair of magnetic signs are problematic for our industry. These are valid concerns.

I do, however, have concerns for others on this site (not you) that cannot use the English language higher than an eighth grade level, and attest to being the most professional on this site. I see ridiculously poor skill sets from a communication angle and have to wonder about the business side of their company. Therefore, I give Collin the benefit of the doubt that he asks a simple question, in simple terms to receive an answer. I do not know his background and I did not look at his Avatar prior to posting. I do know that there are many posts on here worthy of ignoring, while others peak my interest.

Regardless of client perception, this industry is heading toward regulation at a State, or local level. They will not keep their hands out of the pie, if so many people are eating from it.

Good luck and profitability in the coming season.

muddstopper
02-20-2006, 09:52 AM
Collin,
I suggest that you consider using humates, as in humic acid, fluvic acid on these lawns instead of increaseing nitrogen and iron. The humate will make the iron and nitrogen you do apply more efficient and result in a greener grass. Humate will also increase the water retention ability of the soil which improves drought tolerance of the plants. Humate isnt a cure all and does need to be re-applied. You might also consider core areation and applying micorrhiza fungi to the lawns. Michorriza will help make rock phosphates soluibile for easier uptake thru the plant roots. Micorrhiza threads will grow thru the soil and increase the amount of water that is available to the plants as well. There are companies that sell humate products that already contain micorrhiza and other benefitual bacteria that can be mixed in water and sprayed on the lawn. These products can be mixed with fertilizer so both can be applied at the same time. You cannot mix the micorrhiza and bacterial products with chemical pesticides and fungicides.

ha305
02-20-2006, 09:33 PM
:weightlifter: IRON :weightlifter:

Rwise10230
02-21-2006, 10:17 AM
I'm located in Winston-Salem and own a unique combination of services......A maid service and lawn care company...... we can take care of the inside and outside of the home. We also maintain a substantial quantity of square footage in the commercial market.

Judging from the answers on here, you aren't going to get much of what the site was designed for....help. They all started out as "green horns" too.

I'll be glad to talk to you if you'd like. Look up House Matters Cleaning Service in the phone directory and I'll advise ya the best I can from here!

alwaysgreener
02-21-2006, 10:32 AM
Well, maybe the opinions include ones like these:

Adding tons of incompetent individuals to the industry, those not ready to perform the services competently before hanging out their own shingle, only serves to destroy its perception in the economy. This affects each of us in our ability to demand a fair price for our services, since if we're all perceived as yahoos by the public why should anyone pay us what we're worth? I would say that "how do you get grass really green?" qualifies as a question by someone who isn't qualified to have his own lawn business yet. Hence my comment "cart before the horse". Would you like your new home built by someone who has to ask "hey, how do you build a house" on an internet forum?" Or your surgery performed by an individual who asks "what's a pancreas?" It's just a matter of degree.

Some of us might happen to have the opinion that it's unfair for unlicensed and uninsured individuals to go out wreaking havoc on lawns and water sources that results in more onerous government regulation for the rest of us. You see, it may not be obvious to you, but if you don't know what makes grass green, it's likely that you haven't passed a licensing test, and if you aren't licensed, you certainly do not have insurance for applications. And if you don't know that overapplying nitrogen near a lake will soon have it full of algae, it will result in a lot of smelly dead fish, a garish green color, and the homeowners marching down to city hall and demanding we all get further formal training that the rest of us competent, licensed applicators don't really need. All because some guy decided this was so easy he could learn the business in a few posts on the internet.

Read your history. Guilds and apprenticeships were once mandatory to even work in many fields. Is it too much to ask someone to maybe get take a short correspondence course in his field at a cost of about $300 before letting loose on the community?

I have literally read posts here asking how to change blades. The individuals mowed and mowed on customers' lawns till the blades were stumps before even thinking about it. Do you think that maybe that makes these customers see as something approaching Forrest Gump? And that maybe it'd be in everyone's interest, his included, to at least get some rudimentary training before heading out there?

You can read my posts and see that most of them are answers to questions by "newbies" and trying to be helpful. But I'm not going to sit here and pretend that it isn't asinine to start signing up customers before you know what you're doing.


I agree with you..But there are some questions from new guys that they don't know what to do and they get all wound up over it, so we as professionals need to try to help. I'm not into hand holding them for every little thing but sometimes a little help gets them going on there own..

daveintoledo
02-21-2006, 10:46 AM
iron makes the grass green but nitrogen makes it green and promotes shoot growth but u need rain u can put down all the fert you want but kn ow rain no grow.

youngbusck is going to school, and learning the things he needs to succeed in this business,

its not an insult to tell someone they need the proper training to do a certain job, telling the guy to put down nitrogen or iron when he is unlicenced is irresponsable....

you can tell him what he wants to hear or you can tell him the truth......the truth is more helpful then stroking him to make him feel he is ready if he is not.....

i still like the spray paint... works great...
:laugh:

old dog 80
02-21-2006, 01:09 PM
I had to carry a union card and pay dues for 10 years in my previous life.It did
not make me a better laborer-in fact they discouraged me bettering myself.That
is why I put a mower in the trunk of my car.I did not know much but was willing to ask questions of the old-timers out there.One of those old timers wanted me to buy his business and worked with me for a year.That was probably the best
education I could have gotten.I have been in business for 26 years now and
am one of the old timers.Treat me reasonably and I will answer your questions.Collin,you got some good advise and I hopre you learn enough
to be featured in Turf Magazine in 5 years as a new star!Only dumb
or stupid question is one that goes unasked.Everyone who is making fun
dirtiee their diaper some years back!

timturf
02-21-2006, 01:35 PM
How do you get real green grass? I picked up two HOA's that are in bad shape. The grass is brown. How and where do I start?

Quote:
Originally Posted by YardPro
lol...
you gotta be kidding????

you took on two commercial accounts and you are asking this question.....
seriously.....

first what kind of grass is it??? if you don't know you're in way over your head....

if it is centipede, zoysia or bermuda it is dormant.. only way to make it look green is to overseed with rye or paint it...


POSTED BY COLLIN]I do know that it is bermuda grass and I have been doing this for twenty years. I was just asking to see if anyone has a few pointers



I would have thought if you where doing this for 20 years, YOU would have given more information! I think you are in over your head, but that's only my opinion from your post on this thread