PDA

View Full Version : sod bid


jason2
04-13-2001, 12:00 AM
Looking for some input on a sod bid.

Property: 11,000 sq ft. Irrigation system is already in place, Grading has been done, soil is sandy.

What is required on job: Final grading(landscape rake), non-selective herbicide, starter fert, installation of sod.

My sod cost is .15 sq/ft.

I haven't worked the numbers yet, but a rough guess right now puts me in the ballpark of $3,800-4,000.

Wondering if this sounds a bit high? I know prices vary greatly in different markets. But just curious if this sounds in line. Thanks.

Stonehenge
04-13-2001, 12:11 AM
Markets and margins differ, but we'd price that job at about an even $3K. 1 day's work for a crew of 3. For my area that's a mid to mid-high price for that project. I say that because I know that around the country prices seem to fluctuate wildly for this, based on previous threads.

site
04-13-2001, 12:19 AM
With your sod cost I'd be between 4000 and 4400 depending on how much cutting there is to do and slopes and accesability. Don't forget to water it as you put it down. Forget once and you'll know why.

greens1
04-13-2001, 12:56 AM
The numbers I come up with are 28 pallets. I would charge at least $4,500 figuring in cutting in ect., especially if I have to lift a rake on the site. I am not framiliar with the roll sod so I am figureing by the pallet.

Stonehenges guys would consider the Eiffel Tower a one day job for a crew of 3, most of us are not so lucky. LOL
Good Luck,
Jim L

Stonehenge
04-13-2001, 05:02 AM
I think you're confusing my guys with Paul's. :)

greens1
04-13-2001, 06:57 AM
Just going by that last retaining wall job you guys did. I have to call them as I see them. LOL
Good Luck and Good Friday,
Jim L

dan deutekom
04-13-2001, 07:35 AM
We would figure about 2500 to do this as there is no grading or anything. Take 3 guys 4-5 hours to roll out 1200 rolls of sod

greens1
04-13-2001, 08:12 AM
Sorry guys, my abacus was broken, my privious number of pallets should have read 18, not 28.
Jim L

Avery
04-14-2001, 12:19 AM
$4216.00 to be exact is what I come up with. You price is very much inline.

Clinton D. Wagner
04-14-2001, 09:09 AM
<table border BORDERCOLOR="#0033FF">
<th colspan=15><font size=-1><FONT COLOR="#0033FF"><B>BID FORM </B></font><tr>
<th><font size=-1><B>MATERIALS NEEDED</B></th><th><font size=-1><B>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;QTY&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</B></th><th><font size=-1><B>X's UNIT COST</B></th><th><font size=-1><B>= TOTAL MATERIAL COST</B></th><th><font size=-1><B>UNITS PER HOUR</B></th><th><font size=-1><B>= TOTAL LABOR HOURS</B></th></th><th><font size=-1><B>X's LABOR RATE</B></th><th><font size=-1><B>= TOTAL LABOR COST</B></th><th><font size=-1><B>TOTAL LABOR AND MATERIALS</B></th><th><font size=-1><B>X's OVER HEAD MARKUP</B></th><th><font size=-1><B>= TOTAL</B></th><th><font size=-1><B>DIVIDED BY NET PROFIT %</B></th><th><font size=-1><B>= MY NET</B></th><th><font size=-1><B>= TOTAL BID</B></th><th><font size=-1><B>= TOTAL PER UNIT</B></font></th><tr>
<td><font size=-1><B>INSTALLING SOD</B></td><td><font size=-1><B>11,000 SF </B></td><td><font size=-1><B>&nbsp;&nbsp;.15&nbsp;&nbsp;</B></td>
<td><font size=-1><B>$1,650.00</B></td><td><font size=-1><B>650 SF PER HOUR</B></td><td><font size=-1><B>16.92 HOURS</B></td><td><font size=-1><B>$21.21</B></td><td><font size=-1><B>$358.87</B></td><td><font size=-1><B>$2,008.87</B></td><td><font size=-1><B>1.18</B></td><td><font size=-1><B>$2,370.46</B></td><td><font size=-1><B>0.740740</B></td><td><font size=-1><B>$829.66</B></td><td><font size=-1><B>$3,200.12</B></td><td><font size=-1><B>$0.2909 PER SF</B></td><tr>
<td></td><td></td><td></td><td> </td><td></td><td></td><td> </td><td></td><td></td><td> </td><td></td><td></td>
<td><font size=-1><B>Total Bid</B></td><td><font size=-1><B>$3,200.00</B></td><td></td><tr></font></table>

John Allin
04-14-2001, 11:07 AM
How do you survive on gross 18% margin ??

greens1
04-14-2001, 11:21 AM
I have to agree with John. 18% for equiptment, fuel, storage, insurance and incidentals? Seems pretty tight to me.
Jim L

Stonehenge
04-14-2001, 01:19 PM
CW, where is the net profit # coming from? The total of 2370 divided by .74 yields a # larger than 2370, not smaller. And no matter what angle we take at this, we can't make the 2370 and .74 turn into $830.

I agree the 18% is tight. I think our numbers came close to this because the labor rate seems pretty expensive (compared to our market).

Can you explain this formula a bit more?

Clinton D. Wagner
04-14-2001, 05:56 PM
First of all, This is was not intended to replace any personal skills or information you may be using now.
It is was only intended to help you with your judgement in your bidding.

The 18% markup was just a Example of what someone may need for
overhead, it could have been 50%, I don't know!

Also note that the 18% markup was just that...(not gross margin)

Here's how I come up with the Net of ($829.00)

Total labor and material.............$2,370.00 divided by 0.740740= $3,200.00 total bid
Total bid $3,200.00 - $2,370.00= $829.00 Net Profit
Or you could take the total labor and material $2,370.00 X's .35% = $829.00

Here again the 35% (0.740740) was only a Example of what someone may want to make,
it could of been less or more....

I hope this answer your question..

Now here's a company who wants 25% ( 1.25 ) for 0verHead, and only wants 15% Net
so he would use ( 0.869565 )

<table border BORDERCOLOR="#0033FF">
<th colspan=15><font size=-1><FONT COLOR="#0033FF"><B>BID FORM </B></font><tr>
<th><font size=-1><B>MATERIALS NEEDED</B></th><th><font size=-1><B>****QTY****</B></th><th><font size=-1><B>X's UNIT COST</B></th><th><font size=-1><B>= TOTAL MATERIAL COST</B></th><th><font size=-1><B>UNITS PER HOUR</B></th><th><font size=-1><B>= TOTAL LABOR HOURS</B></th></th><th><font size=-1><B>X's LABOR RATE</B></th><th><font size=-1><B>= TOTAL LABOR COST</B></th><th><font size=-1><B>TOTAL LABOR AND MATERIALS</B></th><th><font size=-1><B>X's OVER HEAD MARKUP</B></th><th><font size=-1><B>= TOTAL</B></th><th><font size=-1><B>DIVIDED BY NET PROFIT %</B></th><th><font size=-1><B>= MY NET</B></th><th><font size=-1><B>= TOTAL BID</B></th><th><font size=-1><B>= TOTAL PER UNIT</B></font></th><tr>
<td><font size=-1><B>INSTALLING SOD</B></td><td><font size=-1><B>11,000 SF </B></td><td><font size=-1><B>**.15**</B></td>
<td><font size=-1><B>$1,650.00</B></td><td><font size=-1><B>650 SF PER HOUR</B></td><td><font size=-1><B>16.92 HOURS</B></td><td><font size=-1><B>$21.21</B></td><td><font size=-1><B>$358.87</B></td><td><font size=-1><B>$2,008.87</B></td><td><font size=-1><B>1.25</B></td><td><font size=-1><B>$2,511.08</B></td><td><font size=-1><B>0.869565</B></td><td><font size=-1><B>$376.00</B></td><td><font size=-1><B>$2,887.00</B></td><td><font size=-1><B>$0.26254 PER SF</B></td><tr>
<td></td><td></td><td></td><td> </td><td></td><td></td><td> </td><td></td><td></td><td> </td><td></td><td></td>
<td><font size=-1><B>Total Bid</B></td><td><font size=-1><B>$2,887.00</B></td><td></td><tr></font></table>

When contractors come to us to help with their bidding we ask
for three things!
1. what is your overhead markup % that you want to use?
2. what is your labor rate for this job?
3. How much net do you want to make?

John Allin
04-14-2001, 06:53 PM
That helps considerably....
I think we were under the (mis)impression that you were a contractor and that was the margin you were recommending (that kind of thing happens alot here on the forum).

Thanks for the clarification.

For what it's worth, I like the way you figure up the numbers. We do much the same thing on an excel program (of course the markups and margins are different).

jason2
04-16-2001, 02:01 AM
I appreciate everybody taking the time to share information with me. I put the bid together tonight, it comes out to $4215 tax included. Will be submitting it tomorrow, doubt I'm going to get it. The customer was referred to me, but wants hydroseeding. I do not offer hydroseeding at this point, so she told me to go ahead and bid for sod. It'll be a nice job if I do get it. She does want me to do the maintenance on the lawn regardless of who she goes with installation. So that's a bonus. Thanks again for the input.

smithsonmi
04-16-2001, 03:14 PM
The going rate near me in the Detroit suburbs is $2/sq yd for final grade and sod, NO topsoil.

So 11,000sqft=1250sqyd*$2=$2500 for the job.

Just a reference.