For conservatives who "don't believe" in global warming...

[lawnguyland]

I thought this was interesting, it's about evangelical chrtistian groups who oppose Bush politics on the environment and recognize the need for cleaner air, not just a good economy.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060208/pl_nm/environment_evangelicals_dc

As an industry I feel we have an obligation to be environmental stewards. Pesticide licensing is good. Low emsission engines are good. Battery and electric power are good. Well maintained trucks and equipment are good. Maybe now that other conservatives can 'see the light' on the issue of global warming, more will join in. This is in response to any previous posts that glabal warming is BS. It's not, get out of your cave.

[ProStreetCamaro]

God I love it when I go outside and start up my old 76 camaro race car that burns 110 octain leaded race fuel and gets 1 mile per gallon and burns your eyes when you stand next to it! Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

[Duck Dodger]

Wrong forum smarty. This is off topic therefore it belongs in that forum.

[lawnguyland]

God I love it when I go outside and start up my old 76 camaro race car that burns 110 octain leaded race fuel and gets 1 mile per gallon and burns your eyes when you stand next to it! Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.


Good one! I can take it if I can dish it. PS I'm half conservative, 1/4 liberal, and 1/4 I hate everyone. :waving:

Oh yeah.....do you love it when you go outside and try to go get some oysters or crabs from the Cheaspeke Bay, but you can't because it's too polluted? Mmmmmmmmm, polluted crab cakes!

[lawnguyland]

Wrong forum smarty. This is off topic therefore it belongs in that forum.
Yeah yeah yeah, maybe, but this topic is directly related to the equipment and vehicles we use in commercial lawn mowing, just as much as differnet mowers and engines are discussed. We are talking about the direct results of us running our machines and the output from them. So, it is and isn't off topic, but you have a point. Plus, sometimes it's fun to get a good debate going!

[tat900]

God I love it when I go outside and start up my old 76 camaro race car that burns 110 octain leaded race fuel and gets 1 mile per gallon and burns your eyes when you stand next to it! Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

same here love to listen to my alky motor rumble burns your eyes and really makes me tingly

[ProStreetCamaro]

Good one! I can take it if I can dish it. PS I'm half conservative, 1/4 liberal, and 1/4 I hate everyone. :waving:

Oh yeah.....do you love it when you go outside and try to go get some oysters or crabs from the Cheaspeke Bay, but you can't because it's too polluted? Mmmmmmmmm, polluted crab cakes!


Its funny that you say that because I live in MD and me, my father and my cousin go down and crab on my cousins boat all the time. We normaly bring back around 4 dozen nice size crabs and steam them up in some nice water with beer and seasonings to give some extra flavor.


I do agree that we need to be more concious about what we are doing to this fragile earth of ours. What I originaly said was meant as a joke really although it is true what I said. The darn car is horrendous on fuel mileage but then again it isnt meant for the street but I do drive it to shows and stuff on the weekends. My biggest gripe is the fact that we can clean the air up here to the best of our ability but do you think other much larger nations with 10X the amount of industry gives a crap about the environment? No not really and where do you think our air goes? The jet stream takes it over there and theres over here. It is a never ending battle that unless the entire world starts making an attempt to correct the problems will only get worse and worse no matter how much we do here in the states.

[ProStreetCamaro]

God I love it when I go outside and start up my old 76 camaro race car that burns 110 octain leaded race fuel and gets 1 mile per gallon and burns your eyes when you stand next to it! Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

same here love to listen to my alky motor rumble burns your eyes and really makes me tingly

Yeah but alky burns clean and cool :p

[kc2006]

C16 fuel for me!

Whys it always a political thing? Like conservatives are evil...when really liberals are the ones with morally fawked up ways? Global warming is an issue but I shouldnt live to see the day when it gets horribly bad :D

Not much more one can do about polluting when it comes to equipement, I run newer equipment that is in check of emissions, my truck is a diesel and gets good mileage (although lawnworks doesnt believe me). The only way i pollute is with my street car when I'm at the track. It gets bad mileage, runs on race gas if I feel like it, but thats not too bad. I could be driving a beater truck that burns so fat it makes little kids puke in the car behind me from the fumes?

[kmann]

I thought this was interesting, it's about evangelical chrtistian groups who oppose Bush politics on the environment and recognize the need for cleaner air, not just a good economy.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060208/pl_nm/environment_evangelicals_dc

As an industry I feel we have an obligation to be environmental stewards. Pesticide licensing is good. Low emsission engines are good. Battery and electric power are good. Well maintained trucks and equipment are good. Maybe now that other conservatives can 'see the light' on the issue of global warming, more will join in. This is in response to any previous posts that glabal warming is BS. It's not, get out of your cave.
Why don't you start using electric equip. Use your customers outlets and deduct it from their bill! Then you can show everyone how you are doing your share to save the Earth!!!

[lawnguyland]

Why don't you start using electric equip. Use your customers outlets and deduct it from their bill! Then you can show everyone how you are doing your share to save the Earth!!!
I tell ya what, I would gladly use cordless battery opertated equipment if it were powerful enough and hopefully someday soon it will be. Screw breathing in fumes. Until then I've converted to equipment that is least polluting yet still productive. For example, when I get trid of my old Manits I will get the honda 4 cycle mantis. I'll be trying the husqy honda trimmer, using electric hedge clippers some of the time, and when and if te toro 2 cycles go they get replaced with cleaner buring honda engines too. I personally am tired of fumes from exhaust ALL day. Whatever I can do to cut that down hepls me. Then, it helps you and everyone with overall air quality. I'm no saint, but if we each cut down a little emissions it would be good for us and future us.

[lawnguyland]

Its funny that you say that because I live in MD and me, my father and my cousin go down and crab on my cousins boat all the time. We normaly bring back around 4 dozen nice size crabs and steam them up in some nice water with beer and seasonings to give some extra flavor.


I do agree that we need to be more concious about what we are doing to this fragile earth of ours. What I originaly said was meant as a joke really although it is true what I said. The darn car is horrendous on fuel mileage but then again it isnt meant for the street but I do drive it to shows and stuff on the weekends. My biggest gripe is the fact that we can clean the air up here to the best of our ability but do you think other much larger nations with 10X the amount of industry gives a crap about the environment? No not really and where do you think our air goes? The jet stream takes it over there and theres over here. It is a never ending battle that unless the entire world starts making an attempt to correct the problems will only get worse and worse no matter how much we do here in the states.


I know you were joking originally! As far as other countries goes- a few points...we should lead by example, then shock and awe the non-compliant dirty rats. Just because China is a huge polluter doesn't mean we should be. You are right that it has to be done globally and that starts locally. The oil will run out, but really won't that create a crap load of new jobs in new energy industries? Stupid jet stream!

[lawnguyland]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhh, too bad, it's moved and gone forever

[steve45]

The earth goes through warming and cooling cycles. To think that WE are the cause is a bit ludicrous. The SUN goes through various cycles, which must certainly have an effect.

The earth has certainly been warmer than it is now. How do you think the oil deposits got in Alaska, anyway?

I remember the first Earth Day--they were predicting the coming Ice Age! What a scam! The ONLY way to measure the overall temperature of the earth is from space. We've only had this ability for a few years. Just because you have localized warming in one area doesn't mean that it's that way everywhere. Where I live, the last two summers were very cool.

I also remember when we had a lot more pollution than we have in the US today. We've eliminated more than 90% of the pollutants from motor vehicles, and getting better. What we have now is NOT bad. Hell, if you try to kill yourself by running your car in your garage, you'll die of oxygen deprivation, not carbon monoxide poisoning!

Switching to battery-powered or electric-powered devices won't solve anything, either. The power has to come from somewhere. Electric power comes from a power plant. All you're doing is transferring the source to somewhere else.

I'm sick & tired of hearing about Carbon emissions being a problem. It isn't. The average person exhales about the same amount of CO2 each day as the average automobile (4-5 pounds). CO2 isn't a pollutant, it's plant food. It makes up a tiny fraction of a percent of the air we breathe. Water vapor is, by far, the most common 'greenhouse gas'. Do you propose that we get rid of the oceans?

There's a reason we refer to the environmentalist extremists as 'whackos'--they ARE. Personally, I refer to them as 'Watermelons'--green on the outside, red on the inside.

[Roger]

The article conveniently leaves out information about the coldest, bitter Winter in Europe in decades. It chooses to include one paragraph about what US records show the past month. If this is true, they why "global?" I guess to some in the US, "global" stops at the oceans, so the case is built on information in US only.

[PMLAWN]

It's 3 AM so my thinking may be whacked--
I am a Christian, I also believe in keeping our earth clean within reason, (we still need to provide for ourselves), but
As Christians our goal is to get to Heaven, right. So would not the destruction of this earth get us there faster???

Again, it is 3AM:p

[DRM Ventures]

interesting concept PMLAWN.......

I am in no way supporting pollution. But, I also don't believe that man is making the changes that many believe we are....... If that were the case who caused the previous Ice ages and the following warm-ups.....??

I really think this is just another issue being used to continue the "hate Bush" agenda. Too bad so many are sucked in.....

GW is not perfect...but does he really deserve the petty, third grade blame game???

Derek

[The Cowboy]

Being from neither the left nor the right, it may not surprise any of you if my opinion doesn't fit either side.
I see global warming as being caused by something many of us have overlooked, modern farming. And I don't mean petroleum use. I believe that the drastic reduction in organic matter and humus in the soils to be the biggest contributing factor to a CO2 buildup. That little bit of smoke coming out of that 8 wheeled Steiger pulling 20 moldboard plows is nothing compared to the tons of carbon being released every time the soil is turned. In the day when the bison roamed this hemisphere, the grass lands had root systems that went down over 20 feet in places. Everytime the grass died off, the roots also died, leaving deposits of cardon in the soil, removed from the air and sometimes not released for 500 years. The organic matter content was close to 5% or more in most places. and anywhere there was forest, the massive layer of leaf debris plus the wood content allowed a large carbon sink to develop.
The days of massive forests are over, but farming isn't. If certain conservation tillage practices were adopted immediately, we could go about restoring that humus layer on our farms and reap the benefits such as: Reduced runoff, Better production, lower fertilizer costs, more profit, cooler temperatures, more moisture retention, better water quality, more abundant water supplies, better fishing and stream quality, Better food quality and subsequently better health for us all, and lower carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. It is stupid to label trucks and SUV's as causing all the problems when they cause maybe one or two, namely, air pollution and higher fuel consumption. Before they go about limiting our freedom of movement, i wish the experts would focus on the farmers first. Their current actions perpetrate more harm on us than any SUV ever will. Besides, farmers can only stand to benefit from a change of practices. Many farmers I know of who have switched to sustainable tillage practices and eco-friendly farming have realized greater profits and were able to achieve financial independence.

[Fvstringpicker]

I'm beginning to believe that political parties are like some of the more radical Religions; regardless of the facts and independent analysis, you refuse to believe anything other than what you party tells you to believe.
Conservatives don't believe in global warming, liberals do--give me a break.

[topsites]

Wrong forum smarty. This is off topic therefore it belongs in that forum.

Although you've admittedly got me beat, I am a serious conservative myself until such time I can not resist the urge to step on the gas of the bmw 325, to feel the power of 6 fuel-injected high-compression cylinders rocket the car up the speedometer's range until *I* have had enough.

It is a shame we have such low speed-limits, even the acceleration-ramp 3/4 throttle take-off is hardly satisfying when, long before I reach the end of the ramp the speedo is already pegging 70, 5 mph over the highway's legal speed limit, and high time to ease off the pedal. Overall one might think this directly contributes to the problem, but my auto's fuel budget is ten dollars a week, so don't mind me if I push it the one or two days I get to drive it.

Intensely gratifying should be the event when one can feel the power in a more unrestricted environment, such as racing.

I envy you.

Far as the good news, the administration is now looking into alternate areas for development of possible petrol (translation: they're thinking of drilling in areas never explored, such as off the coast of Virginia). What else can we do, I'm not the one with children, which more than anything is the problem contributing to a world population all of which *require* petrol-powered transportation, if you ask me.

So, to reverse global warming, stop procreating for one, stop driving, and don't heat your house anymore.
Then, stop eating foods which took petrol to process (plan on cultivating a garden without fuel-power), stop wearing clothes that have petrol in them or took petrol to process (grow a LOT of hair), and basically do nothing at all because petrol is involved in one way or another, in everything we do.

[TURFLORD]

Sadaam Hussein lower the mean average global temperature 1 degree when he set fire to the oil feilds in Kuwait. Another poster said it right when he said the Earth and the Sun go through cycles. Electric is not the answer, it just shifts the fossil fuel emissions to the power plants. I'm a die hard Republican conservative and I think we do need to change. It's not just politics, but also economics as related to a global economy. Lets run this out to its logical conclusion........Save the Earth. Get rid of the Humans.

[Jpocket]

God I love it when I go outside and start up my old 76 camaro race car that burns 110 octain leaded race fuel and gets 1 mile per gallon and burns your eyes when you stand next to it! Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

I hear ya nothing like the smell of race fuel! That sweet smell.

By the way what are you runnin in the 1/4. Im working on a 70' Chevelle, the guy that doing my motor said I should be good for mid-11's

[LandscapePro]

Global Warming......nothing more than Junk Science.

Mike
La. Landscape Contractor #2576

[CompostGuys]

Global warming. Great topic. In the scientific community it is referred to as "Anthropogenic Climate Change" and has many systems involved and several possible outcomes, or even possibilities that it is "junk science". however, here are some facts to chew on. Global warming is caused by an increased greenhouse effect. The natural greenhouse effect is a good thing, without it the average earth's temp would be -18 degrees Celsius, (or -.4 degrees Fahrenheit) (we know this from such rules as "black body radiation" and other physics stuff that i'm no going to get into), not very conducive for life here on earth. Major greenhouse gases are CO2, CH4 (methane), water vapor, and several potent ones (but are in such low concentrations that they aren't much of an issue). This effect acts like a blanket on the earth, add more layers, it gets warmer. For several decades, paleoclimatalogists (historical weathermen) have been observing the correlation between temperature and atmospheric CO2 concentration. They have observed that as CO2 conc. goes up, temp goes up. Right now they have mapped out 650,000 years of this history (a very small geologic time frame). What they are seeing is the highest CO2 concentration (about 371 ppm and rising) during their mapped out period.

The major contributer to this elevated CO2 concentration is fossil fuels. As plant life professionals we should all know and understand the carbon cycle. By removing Carbon from the geologic cycle, we are giving a surge of carbon into the atmosphere, that the plants/trees can't metabolize fast enough, therefore we have an increase in CO2.

A concern to think about is what this warming means. it could really mean nothing, or a lot. if the oceans are warmer, then there is more energy in them. more energy in the oceans means stronger storms (can we say KATRINA?) This will effect the different cycles of weather (El nino (wetter)/ La Nina (dryer)).

So you landscape professionals...global warming is real, and it will effect YOU. plant accordingly.

P.S. I'm not against the oil industry or technology or anything that puts luxury on our tables. But lets use this technology to continually find better ways of doing things. Using biological carbon like bio-diesel and alcohol are great options!

PP.SS Solar variation has been ruled out of the question because the sun's variability is too small to make such large scale changes.

[elshauno]

Interesting link about the subject at hand http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4698652.stm

[nmurph]

to blame humankind for "global warming" is ridiculous. it is part of an attempt by those countries that are "less fortunate" than we are to slow down our economic juggernaut. they can't compete so they use the UN as a platform for their agendas and the willing enviromental organizations as their minions. the earth has gone through cycles of warming and cooling. the atmosphere is like a giant balooon, push in on one side and it pokes out on the other. there have been times when it is much hotter than now, and times when it has been much cooler. the radiant energy from the sun is much more a factor than any emissions from mans activities. speaking of which, the emissions from the vehicles we americans drive now is 100's of x's lower than it was 25 years ago. the emissions of factories in the US is likewise lower. the dirtiest countries are those which are not as technologically advanced as we are in the US. our technology has provides us with the knowledge to clean up behind ourselves. if we detonated off every N bomb that every county posseses at once, the earth would still survive. we have had impacts by asteroids and the earth has survived, and look what popped up-humans....... it will survive what ever we throw at it. i think that enviromentalist view most people as troglodytes and themselves as an intellectually superior species. maybe its true in that the masses generally swallow what is put bf them as fact w/o doing any fact-checking for themselves. if we allow their erudite prognostications of doom and gloom to be spewed forth w/o contrary points being brought forth, our country's status as the global economic leader will be a thing of the past.

[The Cowboy]

Whether or not global warming is hype, the earth still needs to be stewarded properly. From a farming standpoint, proper stewardship makes a farmer more net profit. I am a strong believer in the fact that good-for-the-earth is good for the pocket book.

Great business opportunity for you landscape proffessionals: Tell your clients that more tree planting will reduce global warming (it will), and urban heat-island effect too. Manipultate the market a little. If these suburban liberals want to do something, have them invest in more carbon sinks (trees). Lets see if they are really genuine in their concerns for the environment.payup payup payup payup

[CompostGuys]

Third world countries are the major concern for most climatologists... They want wealth but don't have the money or technology to bypass the dirty energy phase that wev'e all been through. This is what the Kyoto protocol is about, to help these developing nations achieve a cleaner greener source of energy as to not enhance the problem. We as a species are responsible for it, but we had no idea (claiming ignorance here), and even the Bush administration has admitted to it (yes he has), but he also said that we aren't going to do anything about it through legislature, which is fine if industries take responsibility. Taking responsibility doesn't mean we have to go backwards, it means thousands of new jobs researching new energy and sustainable techniques. As a country we can advance our economy AND be GREEN....

[K.Carothers]

It has always amazed me that the libs think conservatives want to pollute the earth. Don't we we all live on the same planet?

kc

[CompostGuys]

very conservative environmentalist here

[The Cowboy]

very conservative environmentalist here

Same here.:alien:

[steve45]

Third world countries are the major concern for most climatologists... They want wealth but don't have the money or technology to bypass the dirty energy phase that wev'e all been through. This is what the Kyoto protocol is about, to help these developing nations achieve a cleaner greener source of energy as to not enhance the problem.

Not at all! The Kyoto Protocol was devised to bring down the U.S. economy by limiting emissions of CO2. It doesn't apply to other nations. That's why it's inherently bad. That's why the senate voted it down unanimously. One other minor point: CO2 is NOT a bad thing. It's something each one of us exhales every day. Are you going to start walking around with a catalytic converter over your nose?

We as a species are responsible for it, but we had no idea (claiming ignorance here), and even the Bush administration has admitted to it (yes he has), but he also said that we aren't going to do anything about it through legislature, which is fine if industries take responsibility.

This is also utter nonsense, too! It's no secret that the sun and earth go through cyclical variations in temperature.

Taking responsibility doesn't mean we have to go backwards, it means thousands of new jobs researching new energy and sustainable techniques. As a country we can advance our economy AND be GREEN....

As a conservative, I like clean air and water. I'm old enough to remember when the air and water were MUCH dirtier than they are today. Most of today's young people are being brainwashed into believing this nonsense that we have to 'protect the earth' and that we're doing irreparable harm to it. The FACT is that the earth is pretty good at healing itself.

It's ridiculous that these climatologists think they can accurately predict the earth's temperature 50 years from now, yet they can't predict the temperature next week!

You also conveniently forgot that there is a LOT of natural pollution: volcanos, forest fires, oil & gas seepage, etc. How come you guys only worry about manmade pollutants and totally ignore the much greater quantity of natural pollutants? This is what makes your entire argument BOGUS!

[CompostGuys]

Most major extinction periods have occurred from global warming, like others have stated there are periods of warm and cold, definately worse than now, caused from major natural events. These events are uncontrollable by humans, but we can control our own actions. I'd hate to be sitting in the after world and watch my offspring suffer due to lack of responsibility on our part. Yes, it could be out of our hands and not our fault, but I like to err on the side of caution...

[CompostGuys]

[QUOTE=steve45]One other minor point: CO2 is NOT a bad thing. It's something each one of us exhales every day. Are you going to start walking around with a catalytic converter over your nose?

remember the Carbon cycle? biological carbon is in balance...
geologic carbon is the excess...

[Randy J]

As a conservative, I like clean air and water. I'm old enough to remember when the air and water were MUCH dirtier than they are today. ... This is what makes your entire argument BOGUS!

Absolutely right Steve. Just like saying we're destroying this country's forests. I'm all for state/national parks, clean air and water. But to say we're responsible for global warming is the height of arrogance, not to mention lunacy!

[The Cowboy]

If the average citizen took responsibility for his actions, (I am including farmers here as well), we wouldn't need any legislation to force us to comply. If glo.abal warming occurs in spite of our best efforts, we will have to commit it into the hands of God and take what comes with it.


I strongly advocate planting more trees, turning more tilled cropland into grass farms, and using less fossil fuels in agriculture. If we were just to reform our farm practices, we could all drive H2 Hummers and have a good conscience about it.


BTW, cow farts are not a big issue in CO2 production. With proper feeding, they aren't a problem. The millions of Bison that used to roam the earth never seemed to cause a problem. They were all pastured animals, not needing any grain, or the tillage required to raise it.

Open tillage is the biggest factor in global Warming!

[Mr. Vern]

I really hate these debates but I have to add my 2 cents. The "Experts" told us when the Exxon Valdese(sp) spill occurred in Alaska through their data and understanding of the earth's delicate balance that it would be 10,000 years before that area was inhabitable again. 10 years later it was flourishing more than ever previously recorded. They told us that if Saddam lit the oil fields on fire in 91' that we would face a "nuclear winter"; didn't happen. History records case after case of their dire predictions that DID NOT come true. WHen you are able to get data to validate or invalidate their claims, they are always proven to be wrong. It is precisely this reason why intelectually honest citizens refuse to believe their scare tactics. It is ridiculous to believe that if the earth was once in an ice age (which I don't see any evidence to suggest) and was able to thaw it's way out well enough to sustain life; then it is ridiculous to conclude that that life that came out of that phenomenon could possibly be the cause of global warming. That is what is known as circular logic and it is intellectually unsustainable. All that having been said, I do believe we need to be responsible and not pollute the water that we drink or pump the air full of toxins that will poison us. This is completely different than to believe we are capable of swinging the whole balance of the earth. All you need to do is to look at Katrina and you will be humbled to know that this earth can swallow us up in an instance if the thing that is holding it back were to be removed.

[Randy J]

Very well said Mr. Vern.

[steve45]

BTW, cow farts are not a big issue in CO2 production.
Of course not! Cow farts are METHANE gas, not CO2. CO2 comes from the very act of breathing. The average person exhales about 4-5 pounds of CO2 per day, which happens to be about the same amount as the average automobile. We have about 300,000,000 people and about half that many automobiles. China has over 1 BILLION people, yet they would be exempted from the Kyoto Protocol. CO2 is CO2. By virtue of the source of CO2, ours is considered bad and theirs isn't. This is intended to be a direct hit on our lifestyle and economy, that's all!

Every other stinking third world country in the world is jealous of us. They simply want us to give them everything we've worked two centuries to develop.

I'd better quit now, I feel my blood pressure rising.:mad: :mad:

[Randy J]

... This is intended to be a direct hit on our lifestyle and economy, that's all!

Every other stinking third world country in the world is jealous of us. They simply want us to give them everything we've worked two centuries to develop.

I'd better quit now, I feel my blood pressure rising.:mad: :mad:

I hear you on the blood pressure. While we all agree a clean environment is a good thing, it amazes me that some will buy into the global warming theory and believe that we need to change our lifestyle to save the earth. You're absolutely right - it is a direct attack on our lifestyle and economy by people that are jealous of what we have. Just like some on this board, instead of encouraging everyone to climb to our level of success, they would rather drag us down to the lowest level.

[Jay Ray]

China is industrializing with a smokestack economy that dwarfs Europe and the USA in their heydays. They are buying old industrial facilities and steel mills, shipping them to China, and have the pilings and slabs in place to reassemble the facility when it arrives.

So who wants to go to war with China to make them clean it up?

[TurfProSTL]

China is industrializing with a smokestack economy that dwarfs Europe and the USA in their heydays. They are buying old industrial facilities and steel mills, shipping them to China, and have the pilings and slabs in place to reassemble the facility when it arrives.

So who wants to go to war with China to make them clean it up?
US beats China in an all out war, hands down.....

[Lawnworks]

I just think it is funny how you poor liberal slobs are actually digesting what these liberal enviro-wackos are pooring down your throats just so they can have a platform to further their own personal agenda. Do you really think they care about the evironment?? Go ahead tell me how terrible global warming is... I am smoking a cuban laughing at this pathetic post. I sure don't want you guys to quit worrying about this matter of dire importance.:rolleyes:

[The Cowboy]

I just think it is funny how you poor liberal slobs are actually digesting what these liberal enviro-wackos are pooring down your throats just so they can have a platform to further their own personal agenda. Do you really think they care about the evironment?? Go ahead tell me how terrible global warming is... I am smoking a cuban laughing at this pathetic post. I sure don't want you guys to quit worrying about this matter of dire importance.:rolleyes:

It is a matter of dire importance to us because there is money to be made here. If the public opinions decide that global warming is really a problem, why not start raking in the bucks that will have to be spent to fix it. If ya'll advertised for more landscape plantings like trees and shrubs using the argument that they soak up CO2 and cool the air, the people ('specially liberals) will probably shell out the dollars they'd have spent elsewhere on a new gas-guzzling SUV. payup payup payup

[Mr. Vern]

Cowboy - I would agree with you on your last point but for one fact. The liberals will not spend their money on this stuff, they will force us to spend ours and they will still live their hypocritical little lives of self exaltation. They will just do like Kerry and claim the SUV is not really his, it belongs to his family. You want to influence me; you better live a life of integrity first!

There are fundamentally 2 types of liberals;
Dirty rotten no good liars...
and the idiots that believe them...

You gotta ask yourself; which one am I

[Lawnworks]

Cowboy - I would agree with you on your last point but for one fact. The liberals will not spend their money on this stuff, they will force us to spend ours and they will still live their hypocritical little lives of self exaltation. They will just do like Kerry and claim the SUV is not really his, it belongs to his family. You want to influence me; you better live a life of integrity first!

There are fundamentally 2 types of liberals;
Dirty rotten no good liars...
and the idiots that believe them...

You gotta ask yourself; which one am I

Exactly, they don't practice what they preach!

[tcls83]

Yes, I believe the popular (most publicized) theory on global warming is bull. Deep down, It's nothing more than certain people wanting to regulate our material lifestyles. Oil is our most practical source of energy today, their warm cozy office building uses oil and so does the tractor trailers shipping their food. Instead of wasting mental energy whining and complaining, why don't they join together and research new possible energy sources.

If we are destroying the planet, then human beings should be considered an illness to the planet. And one day we will eventually die off, just like how your flu you've had for a few days will die off. What should we do to cut pollution, just sit on the ground and not move so we can protect the planet for our ancestors who will have to do the same thing to protect theirs? They (radical environmentalists) should get their noses out of our businesses and get their noses into books researching energy solutions, so we can still have a fulfilling life using our energy consuming leisures, and commend them for their hard work. Which in turn can stroke their egos, which is really what they are looking for.

To combat our energy problem we should all use oil even more excessively by dropping 572 crate motors in our trucks which can accelerate the decline of the earth which will get others who frown upon it to get off their butts and actually cure our excessive use of oil. Just like the only way you can push the state to put up a traffic light at an intersection is if you have multiple serious accidents there. That seems to be the only way to get people motivated to cure a problem. Having the government regulating other's lifestyles does nothing better than downgrading our quality of life.

So do what you want and have fun, just dont put other's lives in jeopardy. And when your final day on this planet is near just look back at the fun you've had in life. Don't live just to protect a huge rock that is going to be extinct eventually.

Sorry for the long rant.

[Evergreenpros]

As soon as the scientists tell me why we went in and out of the last 5 iceages THAT WE KNOW OF, when "man" wasn't here in any numbers, then I'll listen to them.

German scientists just relased a major study implicating TREES for the cause of global warming. More trees the earth gets hotter, then dryer, then trees die out and we go into a iceage. Makes more sense than the alternative of it was "car emissions" back in 20,000 BC.

Tell me, why did we come out of the last iceage?

Remember, global cooling is causing global warming which in turn is making the earth get colder thus making it get warmer!!!!!!!!!!!

You gotta think like an enviro-nut.

[steve45]

You know what they say, if you tell a lie often enough, people will start believing it. The problem is that it's still a lie...

[Lawnworks]

Where is lawnguyland? Has he seen the light or has he realized people are laughing ?

[The Cowboy]

As soon as the scientists tell me why we went in and out of the last 5 iceages THAT WE KNOW OF, when "man" wasn't here in any numbers, then I'll listen to them.

German scientists just relased a major study implicating TREES for the cause of global warming. More trees the earth gets hotter, then dryer, then trees die out and we go into a iceage. Makes more sense than the alternative of it was "car emissions" back in 20,000 BC.

Tell me, why did we come out of the last iceage?

Remember, global cooling is causing global warming which in turn is making the earth get colder thus making it get warmer!!!!!!!!!!!

You gotta think like an enviro-nut.


It doesn't matter what studies come out, I would rather go with gut feeling than what some liberal has told me I must believe. But take this for instance, if the liberals came up with a new study showing how the ingestion of food contributes to a longer lifespan, I wouldn't have to take their word for it to realize it is true.

In the days of the roman empire, the romans had vast land holdings in the north of Africa, that they cropped almost as intensively as we do the heartland. the result, all that land eventually dried up and blew away. The same thing is happening all over the american west. If we were really stewards, we would start looking at the earth as a living organism we are all a part of. What we do to it will effect ourselves. I am not saying using fossil fuels is causing the trouble (I drive a 454 pickup with 9 mpg), but rather the fact we are overcropping our farms, eliminating hedgerows and midwestern forests, and tilling marginal lands better left in grass. The result has been untold erosion, climate changes from lack of trees, and desertification. If there was a better balance of forested land in all parts of the country able to sustain it, we would have better access to sustainable energy, and the climate would probably be wetter. Who cares about burning any kind of fuel, as long as we are recycling the co2 back into plant life. I agree that faster we use up fossil fuel the sooner the idiots in charge will fund alternative energy development, but in the meantime let's not let that distract us from taking care of the earth and doing what we know helps keep our climate temperate and farms productive. A dried out desert is not a good land investment, neither is an empty Lake Tahoe or Lake Meade.