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Gatewayuser
02-09-2006, 11:31 AM
How much time would it take to mow around 300 acres thats right 300, I could possibly bid on it from an insider. Also how much would you charge 3 locations of 100 acres and no trimming? What kind of equipment to use also? It would also involve lawn treatments which if I don't bid on the mowing then I will at least bid on that. I was thinking $8000 per cut (100 man hours). Thanks!

JB1
02-09-2006, 11:43 AM
you need to give a little more information.

Gatewayuser
02-09-2006, 11:49 AM
Sorry
Cut once per week flat no hills, wide open cut at 2 3/4", fescue and rye, one has a maybe 20 large islands to mow can be cut with a 48", money is no issue. That enough?

JB1
02-09-2006, 11:53 AM
I'd be in there with a 20' batwing then.

Gatewayuser
02-09-2006, 12:00 PM
Thats ok I don't want a $50,000 mower that I can't use anywhere else, if I lose that job then I'm in deep trouble.

JB1
02-09-2006, 12:07 PM
so you are looking at bidding it, and using a 48" mower, or two or three, do you have any concept of how big one hundred acres is let alone three hundred acres. If you get it at that price more power to you but you might rethink looking at some bigger equipment.

Gatewayuser
02-09-2006, 12:10 PM
No the 48" was for the islands the rest would be cut with 72" mowers I think.

Duck Dodger
02-09-2006, 12:13 PM
I think you are a little high but if you can get that great. If money is not an issue why is it being bid.

Gatewayuser
02-09-2006, 12:16 PM
I say bid but it will be just me its more of an estimate.

nobagger
02-09-2006, 01:02 PM
Well how much could a 72" rider cut in an hour, I'm thinking about 10-12 acres an hour. Then do the math. At 12 acres an hour its going to take you roughly 8.5 hours to cut 100 acres. Around here to cut an acre of grass probably pay's about $35-$40.00. $40.00x100=$4000.00 per cut.

JB1
02-09-2006, 01:22 PM
Well how much could a 72" rider cut in an hour, I'm thinking about 10-12 acres an hour. Then do the math. At 12 acres an hour its going to take you roughly 8.5 hours to cut 100 acres. Around here to cut an acre of grass probably pay's about $35-$40.00. $40.00x100=$4000.00 per cut.


you might want to rethink your number, no way in eight and half hours. check this chart.

GrassBustersLawn
02-09-2006, 01:23 PM
ACRES PER HOUR for 72"

6.00 at 80% & 7.273 at 100% AT 10mph.

Personally, I ALWAYS FIGURE 80%. Also, I find it hard to maintain over 8mph as most ground is JUST TOO BUMPY. So I would use:

5.1 Acres/Hr at 80% at 8mph.

(Taken from TORO Productivity chart).

This gives you a time of 58.80 MAN HOURS to do the MOWING. At $60 per hour that is $3528 per cut for all 300 acres.

With 2 guys on 72's and one guy doing the islands with 48" & trimming, you should be able to knock out 100 acres in a day. 300 = 3 days work for 3 guys.

You bid $8,000 a cut and someone will chop you down BIG TIME (IMHO). But GO FOR IT and let us know what happens.

P.S.: I don't care what kind of "inside track" you've got, for $4,500 less per week they will take the other guy.

Gatewayuser
02-09-2006, 09:37 PM
Well I guess I will turn it down, maybe they would let me just bid on 1 100acre property, never know. I will take the spraying though.

K&L Landscaping
02-09-2006, 09:49 PM
That job for me would be $34.00 per acre. For 300 acres that would be $10,200.00 and I know with my equipment setup it could be done easily in 3 days, 2 1/2 if I pressed the boys. That seems like an awful good margin but to suggest $8,000 for 100 acres is pretty steep. But hey, if you can get it for that price you can fire some of your second string customers.

Gatewayuser
02-09-2006, 09:56 PM
No I meant $8000 for the 300 acres.

K&L Landscaping
02-09-2006, 10:05 PM
Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you were pricing $8K for 100 acres. Now that sounds maybe a little low to me. With the right equipment you might be Ok at that price but I don't think I would do it that cheap. Well, I know I wouldn't do it for that. 300 acres is a bunch of grass and time. If the wetaher puts you behind which it will you would have a hard time keeping up with 300 acres plus your other accounts. Maybe you should pass unless you have several large frame Zs.

Edgewater
02-09-2006, 10:32 PM
If you don't want to use a batwing, you could use a set up like this

think this picture came off this site a while back

mcwlandscaping
02-09-2006, 10:38 PM
4 dixies, one trailer, those must be some big props!!!

LHSlawnman86
02-09-2006, 10:46 PM
what comany has that much lawn?

LwnmwrMan22
02-09-2006, 10:48 PM
I mow 50 acres right now for a school.

With an 11' Tri-deck mower, and 2 60" ztr's running, it takes around 15-18 man hours / week.

So, that's basically cutting with 20' of mower deck.

You're going to try to run with 18' of mower deck.

That means not only are you going to be using less deck by 10%, but you're also going to be doing 6 times the area.

I'd say with 2 72", and a 48", you're basically looking at 3 days.

Flex-Deck
02-09-2006, 11:21 PM
Well how much could a 72" rider cut in an hour, I'm thinking about 10-12 acres an hour. Then do the math. At 12 acres an hour its going to take you roughly 8.5 hours to cut 100 acres. Around here to cut an acre of grass probably pay's about $35-$40.00. $40.00x100=$4000.00 per cut.

To get 10 acres per hr. with a 72" rider, you would have to maintain 13.75 miles per hr. with no turns, and no overlap. With turns, and overlap of lets say 3", you would probably have to average 16+ mph for the whole time. Ain't no way Hose. I doubt there is a property around that does not tend to buck you off the seat at even 10mph.

Envy Lawn Service
02-10-2006, 12:35 AM
To get 10 acres per hr. with a 72" rider, you would have to maintain 13.75 miles per hr. with no turns, and no overlap. With turns, and overlap of lets say 3", you would probably have to average 16+ mph for the whole time. Ain't no way Hose. I doubt there is a property around that does not tend to buck you off the seat at even 10mph.

Yup... these guys don't understand...

I just laugh my arse off every time I read this stuff or see a productivity chart.
NO MOWER ON THE MARKET TODAY CAN MAINTAIN ANY OF THE NUMBERS ON THE CHART.
NOT EVEN 80% EFFCIENCY... NOT A CHANCE IN ______ .

Gatewayuser
02-10-2006, 12:45 AM
what comany has that much lawn?

I am not going to say. But I am thinking about bidding on a Wendy's near a SEARS and Meijer.

J/K are you the kid that mowes it? Mulch might be getting a little deep around the trees if I remember right. I would'nt bid on it to much traffic over that way.:waving:

Gatewayuser
02-10-2006, 12:55 AM
Never mind I don't think you are the same person, you live down in Loveland right how did business go this year?

impactlandscaping
02-10-2006, 09:06 AM
Unless you can get a two or three year contract, I'd walk. Too much time consumption and overhead tied up in 300 acres. Just think what it's like trying to catch up a residential route after a day or two of steady rain. Unless I had 2-3 WAM's, I'd walk, no matter how enticing the $$ seems.JMO..

BTW-this wouldn't be the Boeing grounds, would it?

rodfather
02-10-2006, 09:22 AM
[QUOTE=impactlandscaping]Unless you can get a two or three year contract, I'd walk. /QUOTE]

good point, that is a big investment in equipment and manpower

Gatewayuser
02-10-2006, 01:31 PM
Unless you can get a two or three year contract, I'd walk. Too much time consumption and overhead tied up in 300 acres. Just think what it's like trying to catch up a residential route after a day or two of steady rain. Unless I had 2-3 WAM's, I'd walk, no matter how enticing the $$ seems.JMO..

BTW-this wouldn't be the Boeing grounds, would it?

No its not.
Thanks for everyones replies!

meets1
02-10-2006, 02:32 PM
You said in your earlier post that you were going to spray that property? What are you going to use to spray that much grass? Also - get a 20ft ganga mower - or a couple WAMS or else I would think twice about that much area.

The Cowboy
02-10-2006, 02:53 PM
If I could gross 8000 bucks in a week I'd drop every single customer I have right now and just mow that one.

I would give the owner an option of turning loose 900 sheep and let them do it. I would have him invest in the fence as part of the contract. I'd charge about $5 per acre per week (i'd be paying $25 per acre anywhere else), and rake in the rest of the profits when I sell 'em. Low overhead, low time involved, and the creation of a pastoral scene would be a nice incentive if I didn't have the time to maintain the place.
Just a thought on how I'd compete if I were bidding against you. payup payup payup payup

meets1
02-10-2006, 02:58 PM
Punching #'s for what I would get for that area of land. Not know all involved - as far as trimming, blowing, beds, landscape, tree layout ect. Bare Bone Bid - $8,000.00. I have 2 WAMS that would place on the property and let the guys kick back and enjoy the ride!

Gatewayuser
02-10-2006, 03:08 PM
Its only 15-20 acres that get sprayed with a NON-SELECTIVE so it easy to spray, total kill out.

meets1
02-10-2006, 04:33 PM
What property is this? In my area of Iowa farmers are the only ones with that much ground. Biggest around here is probably with the 25 - 35 acre's of land. National manf. plants and a maybe a few airports.

Gatewayuser
02-10-2006, 04:43 PM
Sorry I won't say and actually there is a lot of properties that have that much land mowed in my area.

meets1
02-10-2006, 04:55 PM
Hey - I am in Iowa and not going to bid on your property. Give me a few names of companies with that much land? I am just curious or PM me if you wish.

Gatewayuser
02-10-2006, 07:04 PM
I will PM you.