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Jason Rose
02-13-2006, 10:12 PM
This is the first I took, about 3/4 of the way down. shows the wonderful CONCRETE box the valves are nested in, as well as the main valve, it's under the concrete box somewhere...

The 1" line you see cut is the sump pump line for the basement, it run right over where I needed to be so it got the chop for now!

Jason Rose
02-13-2006, 10:16 PM
Here's the next... The main line is 40" deep from ground level to the top of the pipe. Code here is 30" normally...

I had already removed the old gate valve, those are my pliers I left in the hole. Being in there with both arms head first WAS NOT FUN! I could just BARELY reach what I needed to work on and still maintain enough of me out of the hole to keep from going in all the way.

P.s. you like their idea of a blow out? Yes that's a valve stem for a car wheel...

Jason Rose
02-13-2006, 10:19 PM
New valve installed! it's a Champion stop valve with a built in check feature. It's what Ewing irriration had and it's what they sell to everyone for main valves... $20 for a 1". good enough for me! All brass, certianly looks like it will outlast me. Did I mention the line is 40" deep... yeah... the hole itself is 48".

advanced irrigation
02-13-2006, 10:20 PM
those arn't fun. i ran into a job a couple of months ago and i had to dig down to tie into the water main. (supposed to be 2" but was 1") anyways , come to find out it was 4 foot deep buries inder a fence t-eed off elbowing down and turning running right under the fence. the guy has a 1 1/2" meter and a 1" main........hmmmmm, didn't expect that. would have took me all day, but i called my dad's backhoe company and he had it dig in about 20 minutes. talk about a giant hole to fill. i wish i had time to snap some shots, i never seem to have the time to stop. good luck on that. are you going to rip out the concrete?hammer

Dirty Water
02-13-2006, 10:20 PM
Is that a globe style valve or a gate valve?

I'm not a huge fan of gate valves on mainlines.

Jason Rose
02-13-2006, 10:23 PM
Just a general pic of the whole box and the mountian I made...

All in all, I think it went good. I called 3 people to help me out, just to be a spotter to pull on my legs in case I got in too far, but OF COURSE nobody answers their phones... lol!

I'm also going to move the blow-out into the valve box, where it should be in the first place. where it's at is right in front of a faucet and he said the hose is always getting caught on it. May as well fix that since the hole is open.

Oh yes, these were taken with a camera phone, in case you couldn't tell. :laugh:

Jason Rose
02-13-2006, 10:26 PM
Is that a globe style valve or a gate valve?

I'm not a huge fan of gate valves on mainlines.

The old one was a gate, this one is a Globe. I guess I called it a "stop" valve. Has the round flat on the end of the handle that's horizontal in the valve. this mates down on top of a slightly smaller round opening to stop the water. No place for sediment to accumilate like in a gave valve...

Oh, and the concrete box will stay. Untill the elec. valves need replaced there's nothing wrong with the concrete box. he has a really really fancy cover he made for it too. If a valve fails, likely a soleniod I will try to find replacement parts for the valves as opposed to tearing the whole box out. they are too close together to be removed without taking the whole manifold out anyway.

PurpHaze
02-14-2006, 08:13 AM
Looks like you did a fine job of replacing the valve under extreme circumstances of depth and having that concrete box so close. Good job. clapping

PurpHaze
02-14-2006, 08:34 AM
Is that a globe style valve or a gate valve?

I'm not a huge fan of gate valves on mainlines.

Now I'm getting confused. I always thought that gate referred to the method of shutting down the water via a screw-type stem that closes down onto some type of seat (disc/washer, wedged, resilient wedge, etc.) and that globe was a configuration basically meaning "straight through" and having a spherical body shape as opposed to angle style meaning "making a turn". Straight is often referred to by plumbing supply houses when the liquid goes straight through. :)

Jason Rose
02-14-2006, 09:13 AM
Wow, now I don't have a clue as to what kinda valve I installed :dizzy:

I always think of 3 types: Gate, Ball, and Stop valves

Gate, having a flat plate that is pulled up by the screw handle for On and pushed down for Off. The gate is seated between two ridges on the inside of the valve.

A Stop valve is the type I installed, they can be oriented as a straight or angle type body, on both the sealing surface is horizontal so that debris or sediment can't interfere with the closing of the valve.

And a Ball valve, is just what the name states, a ball with holes in it on both sides than when roatated 90* will either allow or stop flow.

Granted I'm talking about 2" and smaller valves... I think definitions tend to change, plus there are totally different types of valves available with the larger sizes.

These are just my thinkings... I'm probably wrong hammer

Ground Master
02-14-2006, 10:16 AM
Are those old pipes copper or galvinized?

Wet_Boots
02-14-2006, 10:43 AM
That replacement valve is probably a Champion straight 'sprinkler valve', or maybe a Lawnlife. In ancient times, before the ball valve was invented, a 'sprinkler' angle valve might have been used for a main shutoff valve. It's just possible that they have a better track record than a lot of the ball valves that followed.

Outside of the waterworks supply houses, that valve might be as good as you could expect to get. You could do much better, and spend more money while you're at it, if you used a real curb stop valve. I would have spent the extra money for a real curb stop, with the idea of never wanting to have to revisit that hole again.

sheshovel
02-14-2006, 01:32 PM
Jason..did you install a PVC or ABS "tube"over the valve you installed so it can be reached from above with a tool to facilitate shutting off the water to the valves should any work need to be performed on them in the future?Without having to dig it out again?

greenscapes,inc.
02-14-2006, 01:50 PM
Around here we use a "stop and waist" valve for that kind of a job. You use a horse shoe type of a key and just a 1/4 turn will shut if of or turn it on.

Wet_Boots
02-14-2006, 02:31 PM
<img src=http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/8128/respectmyauthority27ui.gif align=right>The original term "stop and waste" is for a small globe valve with a drain fitting on it. There are curb stops with an 'auto-drain' feature, that will drain water when the valve is shut off. In many locations, they are being phased out, as the underground drain hole is now considered a possible source of contamination.

537.97 KB for a 2.2 KB gif?? Consider yourself busted (even more than usual :p)

Jason Rose
02-14-2006, 03:21 PM
Jason..did you install a PVC or ABS "tube"over the valve you installed so it can be reached from above with a tool to facilitate shutting off the water to the valves should any work need to be performed on them in the future?Without having to dig it out again?

Ummm, gee, should I have? Man, I just buried the valve and figured they would just dig it up like I did each fall and spring to turn it off and on... hammer

Sorry to be a smart azz, but why in the heck would there NOT be a piece of 4" pipe down to the valve? I simply used the one that was there, it was even notched out on both sides to allow it to fit down over the pipe.

"copper or galvinized?" Neither, all PVC here For the last 40 or so years...

Yeah it's a globe valve, just like the one in the pic from Boots.

sheshovel
02-14-2006, 03:35 PM
OH sorry just making sure is all..diden't mean to insult you.

Are you refering to MEE Wetboots?

PurpHaze
02-14-2006, 09:49 PM
Jason..did you install a PVC or ABS "tube"over the valve you installed so it can be reached from above with a tool to facilitate shutting off the water to the valves should any work need to be performed on them in the future?Without having to dig it out again?

Now don't get pi$$ed Sheshovel but we usually refer to the "tube" thingy as a sleeve and the "tool" that goes down the sleeve as a water key (many types depending on valve). dancing

PurpHaze
02-14-2006, 09:51 PM
537.97 KB for a 2.2 KB gif?? Consider yourself busted (even more than usual :p)

Yahoo!!!

Someone other than me gets busted by the Picture Compression Police. You're in good company Sheshovel. clapping

PurpHaze
02-14-2006, 09:54 PM
Are you refering to MEE Wetboots?

He was referring to you about the size of your picture. He's taught me all I know about compression ratio of pictures because I've been busted by the PCP soooooo many times. :cool2:

sheshovel
02-14-2006, 09:55 PM
Well then wet boots baby....
yaa gonna give She a spanking for that?Huh?

Wet_Boots
02-14-2006, 09:58 PM
Sorry, you'll have to wait. I'm supposed to be spanking Vida Guerra, and that could take a while.

Jason Rose
02-14-2006, 09:59 PM
I call it a "valve key" but whatever floats your boat, lol sporty

sheshovel
02-14-2006, 09:59 PM
Now don't get pi$$ed Sheshovel but we usually refer to the "tube" thingy as a sleeve and the "tool" that goes down the sleeve as a water key (many types depending on valve). dancing

Hell I drew a pic and you want me to say the correct terminology too..just what do you want from me anyways?and I did not use the word "thingy"I used the word "tool" and I know perfectly well what he ment and I am igroring his comment because I could really care less about compression unless it is compression of my ...on ..... so there.

PurpHaze
02-14-2006, 10:07 PM
Sorry, you'll have to wait. I'm supposed to be spanking Vida Guerra, and that could take a while.

She has that big a butt???? :laugh:

PurpHaze
02-14-2006, 10:08 PM
I call it a "valve key" but whatever floats your boat, lol sporty

At least we're closer in terminology than "tool". :laugh:

Jason Rose
02-14-2006, 10:10 PM
At least we're closer in terminology than "tool". :laugh:

Hayes, don't call people a Tool, that's just not nice :laugh:

PurpHaze
02-14-2006, 10:11 PM
Hell I drew a pic and you want me to say the correct terminology too..just what do you want from me anyways?

Yes! Irrigators are somewhat anal retentive. :laugh:

and I did not use the word "thingy"I used the word "tool"

I stand corrected.......... excuse me.......... etc. dancing

PurpHaze
02-14-2006, 10:12 PM
Hayes, don't call people a Tool, that's just not nice :laugh:

ROFLMAO!!!!!!! I just spit meat loaf and twice baked potato on the monitor. :laugh:

sheshovel
02-16-2006, 03:24 PM
Well thingy and tool could be ment to be the same thing depending upon where on your body you carry such a device,and how you go about useing it I suppose.

PurpHaze
02-16-2006, 10:28 PM
Naughty, naughty girl. :nono: (I love it when you talk dirty.) :laugh:

sheshovel
02-16-2006, 11:15 PM
HEEHEEHEE!SuShs!Quiet or they will come and get me for that!

bicmudpuppy
02-17-2006, 12:16 AM
Yeah SheShovel, but thingy doesn't really work for a 42" tool in any book does it? Semantics aside, wasn't "thingy" just a little weak? :)

PurpHaze
02-17-2006, 08:19 AM
HEEHEEHEE!SuShs!Quiet or they will come and get me for that!

You're safe with me. No one would know which pathway to take or which tree to turn at to find you anyway since you're well hidden up there in God's country. :laugh:

PurpHaze
02-17-2006, 08:21 AM
Yeah SheShovel, but thingy doesn't really work for a 42" tool in any book does it? Semantics aside, wasn't "thingy" just a little weak? :)

Isn't "thingy" short for "thing-a-ma-bob"? :laugh:

YardPro
02-18-2006, 08:14 AM
personally i like the term doohickey

PurpHaze
02-18-2006, 10:14 AM
One could also use "whatsyamacallit". :)

Squizzy246B
02-18-2006, 05:11 PM
Doo-Dadd...its very likely a DooDadd but it could be a whatsajiggy

PurpHaze
02-18-2006, 05:41 PM
Doo-Dadd...its very likely a DooDadd but it could be a whatsajiggy

Haven't heard doo-dad in a long time. Right up there with dohickey and dojigger. :laugh:

sheshovel
02-19-2006, 09:14 PM
OR Thingamajiggie is also a good one.
Mudpup..I never said "Thingy"..Purple did not me
I know that this tool is called a "water turn-on whatsamacallit key"and I know what it looks like too
you can see by the uncompressed pic I drew.

PurpHaze
02-19-2006, 09:23 PM
I know that this tool is called a "water turn-on whatsamacallit key"and I know what it looks like too you can see by the uncompressed pic I drew.

Don't post it again or the PCP will handcuff you and take you in. :laugh:

Wet_Boots
02-19-2006, 10:33 PM
I'm still too busy spanking Vida Guerra to phone in another report. Strictly FYI, and of little other import, unless you ever want to host your own images, if you create a line drawing, saving it in GIF form will almost always be more economical than JPG form.

PurpHaze
02-20-2006, 10:53 AM
Boots... Any reason why bitmaps like cartoon pictures are so large?

Wet_Boots
02-20-2006, 12:39 PM
Bitmaps are just that. A pixel-by-pixel image 'map' with no economizing. They're the raw material you work with to make a finished image. When a bitmap line drawing is saved as a gif, you go from 16 million possible colors to just 256, and the finished file only has to 'show' where you change from one color to another. That makes a line-drawing gif very economical (even more than a jpg) - for a photo, it's almost impossible to 'dumb it down' to 256 colors and be as economical as you can be with jpg compression, which also works by reducing the number of possible colors being used in the compressed image.

sheshovel
02-21-2006, 01:01 AM
Thank you "boots"I will do so from now on I promise.
Even without the spanking dammit!