TIPS, Do's and Don'ts tips for the new guy

[jonboysmole]

Always bring a change of clothes when you have the runs.:cry:

[Aquastone Landscaping LLC]

guys how do you deal with customers that agree for a 7 to10 day cut sceduale but will then not stick to it. they let it grow to 6 inches then tell you to come cut.any suggestions !!!!!!

I've had this a few times, usually with some of my elderly customers, they think thier pulling one over on you by letting the grass grow knee high before they let you mow again. I tell them this and its worked well for me "your yard needs to be cut every week i'm going to mow it this time when its high, but if i come back in two weeks and its this high agian i'll charge you double because its takes me longer to do and its harder on my equipment."

[Gimp]

What boots do you recommend. How many pairs will I need since I cut 5 days in a row right now. I am in t-shoes right now, and I don't want to be dumb and get hurt.

Also, what is an approximate new price of 36 inch walk behind scag hydro?

Thanks!

[Aquastone Landscaping LLC]

What boots do you recommend. How many pairs will I need since I cut 5 days in a row right now. I am in t-shoes right now, and I don't want to be dumb and get hurt.

Also, what is an approximate new price of 36 inch walk behind scag hydro?

Thanks!

Boots: you should look at some good ankle high boots, I make all my guys were em, i've bought Cat, Wolverines, and Magnums they all seem to work well,
Scag 36": up here in Wa, a new one will run you just shy of 6k

[Gimp]

Thank you for the reply.

So nothing in particular on the boot brands works better for lawn care. Just a nice pair of name brand ones. That should be an easy addition for me :)

Should I buy more than one pair or is it all right to wear the same pair every day?

[David C.]

Thank you for the reply.

So nothing in particular on the boot brands works better for lawn care. Just a nice pair of name brand ones. That should be an easy addition for me :)

Should I buy more than one pair or is it all right to wear the same pair every day?

I'd recommend "Steel Tip" ankle high!!! Its come in handy several times this season already.

Some recommend "airing out" shoes and boots---letting them dry out completey before wearing them again---so having two pair isn't a bad idea!

[Aquastone Landscaping LLC]

one thing thats really important, make sure your boots are water proof, I know its a no brainer but you could be completely miserable out there if your feet stay soggy all day

[Gimp]

Thank you for the help! :usflag:

[Midwest Lawn Services]

KEEP THESE IN YOUR RIG:
spare blades, belts, coolant, hydro fluid, oil, bar oil, fuses, fix a flat, trailer tires, LOTS OF TOOLS including metric & standard, air compressor w/assorted fittings, water cooler, fluid film, grease gun, 20" bolt cutters, 2 cycle mix, bungy cords, extra tie downs, log chain, extra chain saw chain, small generator, clean clothes, rain gear, fire extingusher, first aid kit with hydrogen peroxide, crow bar, trimmer line, spark plugs, I'm sure I'm missing things...

[Mr Priceless]

KEEP THESE IN YOUR RIG:
spare blades, belts, coolant, hydro fluid, oil, bar oil, fuses, fix a flat, trailer tires, LOTS OF TOOLS including metric & standard, air compressor w/assorted fittings, water cooler, fluid film, grease gun, 20" bolt cutters, 2 cycle mix, bungy cords, extra tie downs, log chain, extra chain saw chain, small generator, clean clothes, rain gear, fire extingusher, first aid kit with hydrogen peroxide, crow bar, trimmer line, spark plugs, I'm sure I'm missing things...

70% rubbing alchohol to go with the 1st aid kit

[MOWEMJEFF]

I use a pair of Timerberlands that I have used for a year and a half, they were brown once but now they are totally green/black I have had to replace the laces several times, maybe I'll replace them next year.

[Gimp]

So are steel toe a must?

[Mr.Lawn]

I Love my Fluid Film, its the best out there.

[Mr.Lawn]

http://www.lawngrips.com/default.html

[Aquastone Landscaping LLC]

those lawngrips look pretty sweet

[Chris J]

Greetings,
We were just talking about the landscape guys in the Landscape Lighting forum, and I wanted to take the opportunity to introduce myself. If any of you guys/gals live in the N. Florida area and have customers in need of landscape Lighting, please give us a call. We are happy to pay refferal fees so you can make some cool cash without having to do a thing! By the way, the average referral fee we currently pay to our current landscape contractors is around $300. Please give me a call if you are interested in making some extra $.
Thanks.

[topsites]

So are steel toe a must?

My company does not require it, but some others do.

[JoeKidd]

I don't know if this has been said or not but If you or anybody on your crew chews or dips tell them to keep it on the down low out there. Customers don't want to see you spitting wads of juice all over their property.Also make it clear that Cigs should all be put out and disposed of properly...NO DRINKING OR SMOKING WEED ever on the job. Save that stuff for relaxing time. I've worked with some real shady crews in the past puffing joints at lunchtime and sneaking beers here and there and I couldn't stand it. After work well thats another story..:dizzy:

[SDNCLAWNCARE]

Where do you guys fit all of this supplies? I'm running a F250 Long Bed with a tool box, and pulling a 16' trailer. I don't know how to squeeze everything on there.

[LA LAWN]

I am about to bid on a Motel and I have no idea how to make a bid sheet HELP!!! I really need this property.

[Pitbull05]

While checking out the hot chick across the street, don't drop your gate on your toe.:cry:

[elrojo63]

This may be the best thread I've read on a lawn care sight. I think
that it bears repeating....USE SUNBLOCK. I have a feeling that some of us will someday be saying "Holy sh##t, I guess they were right." Hope it's not too late then.

ESLawns answer was particularly good.

Sunblock has an alternative.... it's called paba. Get a bottle of the stuff. It's 100% organic and is actually an ingredient in sunblock. Just take it once in teh morning and you won't need sunblock. I have red hair and used ot burn in 30 minutes and now I can stay outside for 11 hours and not get burnt with out sunblock.

Hearing protection.... Use it.

Also, don't leave the ball hitch in your reciever (It will get stuck severely). Take it out every once in a while and give it a good clean and put some never seeze on it. I learned the hard way and ended up having to hook my truck up to a tree.

[agr682]

Put together some pictures of your work(if it looks nice). People will always come up to you and inquire about your services. It will really help to have something for them to look at. It may open their eyse to other services you offer.

[Integrity Landscaping]

HI,
I live in North East Ohio and I've worked in the industry for years - now I want to go out on my own. We are currently having a drought in my area. What I'd like to know - when weather conditions like this exist - do you guys go out and find other jobs or do you stick with mowing lawns?

Also would like to get a list of what you recommend for a new comer who has nothing.

Thom

[kevinlane]

Don't pour gas into your equipment on a painted driveway. I learned that one the hard way, LOL.

[Aquastone Landscaping LLC]

Learned this one the hard way.
Don't fill up any gas powered equipment while they are over grass. me along with a couple of my guys have burned nice scorch marks into a customers lawn. this was really embarrasing when I realized marks were from us. I've also learned that if you make a dumb mistake like this one don't immedately run to the customer and tell them what happened. when they ask just fix the burn marks. I told a lady what happened once, and everytime we went over to her house for maintenance she would come out and remind us "Now remember guys don't fill the mowers up on the grass. We don't want and scorch marks this time do we?"

[Breezmister]

Also, don't leave the ball hitch in your reciever (It will get stuck severely). Take it out every once in a while and give it a good clean and put some never seeze on it. I learned the hard way and ended up having to hook my truck up to a tree.

(LMAOROTF) 79 Dodge power wagon, sold in 89, buyer didn't want the hitch
so I got the job to take it off. BIG silver maple and 20 ft of G80 chain. Was like hitting a brick wall, would not come out, the pin came out easy wouldn't you know, ended up cuttin the whole thing off
Next day every hitch got anti seeze on it....

[IXR]

I just lucked into this page by looking for parts. Somehow I ended up here and man am I impressed! I have been in the lawn irrigation bus. for 3 years and starting to include mowing this month. You guys have tons of info. It will be great help...thanks! Now to figure out pricing?!
Thanks again, I'll keep reading.
Jim in Wichita, Ks.

[g.man]

I'm just getting in the business, I'm wondering what program or software I should use for billing,estimates and things like that

[IXR]

I use Quick books pro.
I love it, it is very easy to set up.
You can set different prices, all your customers are just 1 click away...
It is a little pricey but well worth the money.
If you are going into buisness it is a must.
You will be glad you spent the money later with the time it will save you.
It also keeps a running total by day, week, month, year to date, customer...
You can compair jobs, years, customers billing.
It prints a nice invoice or you can customize it to look any way you want.
Very proffesional looking, and with spell check! (I need that)

Best of luck to you and don't underbid yourself... if they want it cheap, they dont want quality!!

Jim Thompson

[aracad]

Here is a good tip for anyone in southern Ohio MOVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Since I started (this year) the weather has been ridiculous. We no longer have grass....

Does anyone want to water southern Ohio for me????

On a serious note MOVE!!!!!!!! As long as I am trying to get this mowing businesss up and running, Southern Ohio has no chance of rain!!! LOL!!

I went up to northen Indiana yesterday and man it was a pretty sight to see GRASS!!!!!!!!! I didn't think there was any left in the world..

[IXR]

No no no, Think of it as an operatunity...
Get into sprinkler installs also!
No rain? No problem, create rain for them!
Maybe some seeding later???
Lemons to lemonaid :)

Chin up, don't give up now!

[aracad]

No no no, Think of it as an operatunity...
Get into sprinkler installs also!
No rain? No problem, create rain for them!
Maybe some seeding later???
Lemons to lemonaid :)

Chin up, don't give up now!

I am pretty handy. Any suggestion on how to get started in that field?

[IXR]

Get some books, TALK to people in that business.
If you have a neighbor with a sprinkler system...ask to look it over, get a feel of how/why things work.
I have a book or 2 here I can send you.
I used them to pass my block exam and get my master irrigation installer lic.


Have a great day!

[SangerLawn]

never never clean jammed grass from under your deck while blades are running!!! learned this from the movie the ringer lol... great movie.

no honestly you all are giving great advise,, thanks for all the help!!!

[IXR]

hahaha, that sounds like good advice Sangerlawn! I'll remember that :)
I just happen to luck onto this site and found tons of great ideas. (yours being one of them)
Keep reading and posting...someone will use the info to help them out, I know I will.
Hope your having a great season, Jim

[cman3899]

IXR, I am moving to Wichita and am thinking of starting a lawn care service. How is the market? Is there room for more competition? I would like to get some info from a professional in the area

[IXR]

Hello cman3899,
Of course there is room. Google lawn care in Wichita and you'll see a bunch listed but there is always room for another. I figure if a guy does a good job and doesn't hose his customers he will retain them. VERY big tip: research the name you will use!! I have a guy just putting an "S" behind the name I am using, my company name is service writed (sp) like "tm". He thought it was funny when I called him... he isn't laughing now :)
Alot of places do their contracts in the fall for the next year so you better get a move on.
How far are you from here now? When do you think you'll get here?
Get packin' son, times a waistin'!
Best of luck to you, Jim

[cman3899]

IXR, Thanks for the input. I have googled lawn care and looked at yellowpages.com. I've done a little research. I'm in Topeka now and won't really have any time to start getting contracts this fall due to training for my new job, so I'm going to have to try and pick up scraps this spring and gear up full bore next fall. I think that will give me a good chance to start slow. I have no intentions of being a lowballer, I hope to be an increase in quality for the local market. I will already have a decent paying job and am using lco to pad my income. I want to grow slowly and gradually so I can be in it for the long haul

[SouthShoreLandscape]

My first post!
Hey guys, nothing important to add really.
No matter how well prepared you are, and no matter how much extra stuff you bring, something will go wrong on something you dont have an extra for.

[IXR]

Welcome southshorelandscape.
Always good to see new people, ideas, and experiences.
There is a ton of great info here.
Sit back, relax, and absorb all the knowledge.

I figure if I absorb enough, I will have some to share!
Have a fun day, Jim

[Hansen Lawns]

I figure if I absorb enough, I will have some to share!
Have a fun day, Jim

Ha yeah thats my plan for the next 6 months! Absorb Absorb Absorb!
There is a ton of info just on this thread alone, I think I am in love with LS...
(sorry for not adding any useful info)

[Breezer56]

I was thinking that when you turn on your air-conditioning, the pump turns on and off, cycling all the while your driving your vehicle. Even at idle you can see and hear the pump cycle on and off. This happens even when your at high speeds on the freeway so I wonder if engaging our mower blades at high RPM is any different?

[IXR]

Hi Breezer56,
modern a/c clutches are designed to engage at higher speeds.
As for mowing equipment... I have heard both low and high speed engaging is ok for some mowers.
For my equipment.... low speed! My oldest mower is 3 years old and the original clutch is still in it.
I won't mow in the rain either... some say it is ok?
Google your mower and maybe find more info on it!?
Good luck to ya! jim

[lawnsandmore]

I have been in busines 8 yrs. I still hav ehat I started with and I clean and change oil & grease EVERY WEEK. They look nice & run good . I also paint the bad looking spot every winter & every 2 years repaint the whole deck. what you and you tools look like my repersent a clean quality service.

[SouthShoreLandscape]

I have been in busines 8 yrs. I still hav ehat I started with and I clean and change oil & grease EVERY WEEK. They look nice & run good . I also paint the bad looking spot every winter & every 2 years repaint the whole deck. what you and you tools look like my repersent a clean quality service.
And most importantly, how you communicate and your usage of proper grammar and spelling are a direct indication of your intelligence.

[IXR]

Hello lawnsandmore.
8 years 'eh? You must be doing something right then!
I try to maintain my equipment pretty well but for painting... I could do better.
It all looks pretty good tho, I keep it clean and running smooth.
I have been in the lawn sprinkler busines for 3 years (almost 4 now) but just starting to do the lawn mowing a lot more.
I have 188 residential customers and 2 HOA's.
This next season I go full time into it so I am hoping to stay busy.
It scares the crap out of me to quit a steady paycheck but I have to choose between the 2, and I am choosing the lawn care busines over aircraft.
I am getting too old for both!

Keep your stuff clean and have fun!
Jim

[rockytop00]

Don't get too close to the pond!!! My brother and his new dixie chopper went right into the water the other day when the bank caved in... be careful about that! Took us about a half hour to get out as it was on the back end of a pond... couldn't get the truck back there. Had to use the other lawn mower to help get it out!

[IXR]

Hello rockytop00,
It is funny now but not at the time huh? :laugh:
I haven't done that YET.
I try to mow close to the edge with a small mower, takes longer but if I loose it in the water it will be less costly to replace or rebuild.
Hope it didn't hurt his new mower... his pride may be a little brused.
Keep mowing, season here is almost over.
Jim

[lawnsandmore]

And most importantly, how you communicate and your usage of proper grammar and spelling are a direct indication of your intelligence.

We are not all perfect
Sorry I insulted your intelligences.

[lawnsandmore]

Hello lawnsandmore.
8 years 'eh? You must be doing something right then!
I try to maintain my equipment pretty well but for painting... I could do better.
It all looks pretty good tho, I keep it clean and running smooth.
I have been in the lawn sprinkler busines for 3 years (almost 4 now) but just starting to do the lawn mowing a lot more.
I have 188 residential customers and 2 HOA's.
This next season I go full time into it so I am hoping to stay busy.
It scares the crap out of me to quit a steady paycheck but I have to choose between the 2, and I am choosing the lawn care busines over aircraft.
I am getting too old for both!

Keep your stuff clean and have fun!
Jim

I don't have anything else to do when there is snow on the ground & no snow
to move. you can't mow grass & you can't do cleanups. Shrubs & Tree work is done by the time snow comes & stays. Other than to fix & repaint Mowers &
help out a friend at a Bakery. & then if I get bored I go south to KY. & find work.

[Breezmister]

And most importantly, how you communicate and your usage of proper grammar and spelling are a direct indication of your intelligence.

I's shore gona get som edumacation on this hear web thingie

[DEEREBOY14]

What About Child Labor Laws

[klloydemtp]

Hello everyone. First off let me say thanks for all the tips. This website has been a huge help. Once I figure out why I cant download that do's and Dont's tips and examples book after paying then everything will be great. Anyways, I am only doing this part time. I work Full time as a Paramedic for a local Fire Department. I have a bunch of time off working 24/48's and an extra day every 3rd week off. I have purchased a 2004 Gravely 44z and a 1998 Snapper Pro 48" walk behind. A Echo blower back pack and Trimmer. I have a trailer and a 2005 Chevy Trailblazer to pull my equipment. I only have however like 2 to possible 3 accounts so far, one being a sub-addition with 4 entrances and 1 club house. What is a good way to get other jobs commercial or residential without stepping on toes. Any other tips would be greatful.. Thanks again

Kevin

[IXR]

Here in Wichita, most contracts/ agreements are made in the fall for the following season.
I lucked into mine by working on residential sprinkler systems and lawn care.
A couple of folks ask if I would bid on the homeowners assoc. that they lived in.
Word of mouth is the very best advertising.
As far as "stepping on toes"...
If a guy is doing his job and making his customers happy, he won't loose the contract.
So, if you get a new contract, they must not have been happy with who they have now.
And people do change for better price and 1 hundred other reasons.
Ya win some, ya loose some, that's just how business works.Start slow and DO NOT UNDER BID YOURSELF just to get a customer!!!
Soon you will be wondering how you will get what you have done.
Good luck and welcome to the jungle :)

[klloydemtp]

Thanks for the reply. That info was helpful. Very helpful..

[Mr.Lawn]

Don't don't under bid yourself. I did it at first and hated myself for doing that. I have been really lucky by having all but two of my accounts are in my subdivision. put out flyers, right now is fall clean up time use that angle. Also like everybody else has said about stepping on toes, as long as the other guys are keeping their customer happy then no worries.Also think about small landscape jobs, fall in Florida is when I start my landscape work. If you need any other help or contract ideas send me a e-mail and I will send you everything I have hope this helps

[klloydemtp]

Thanks again, Mr. Lawn.. Great info, especially about the under bidding because thats exactly what I was going to do. Not now..!

[lawnprosteveo]

Dont strap yourself down with alot of debt and overhead. Run your biz lean and mean.
Dont be afraid to buy used equip...just do it carefully and pay cash.
Save up money during the good months so you wont be on welfare in the winter.

[IXR]

That is very good advice.
When I started I bought all used equipment.
I still buy a lot of it used and still pay cash!
Borrowing is bad news to a new business.
Enjoy the slow times :)

[retrodog]

Double check your straps on your mower's and make sure they are strapped to right place:confused:I forgot and my Brand new $7500 Bad Boy went flipping down the highway end over end at about 65mph:cry::cry::cry:I thought my wife would have the pistol out when I got home!! Turned out okay cause it really didn't hurt the mower and what it did damage the factory helped fix it:usflag:could have been really worse!

[IXR]

Holy crapola!
I bet you were just sick to see your new mower doing acrobats down the hiway.
Thank God for good safety chains... I pulled out of my driveway and my trailer hitch had come loose.
Dented my bumper but could have been WAY worse!
Scared the poop out of me, I ALWAYS check it now.
Now is the time for rutine maintenance.
Keep mowin' and growin' :weightlifter:

Jim

[Stillwater]

Keep a fire extinguisher and a spare tire on your trailer.

2 years ago during a clean up with a exmark laser I got off the machine for something, turned around and saw 8 foot flames shooting out the back. quick thinking I ran to my worker ripped the bg85 out of his hands and bolted to the machine blowing the fire out. almost had a stroke, leaves built up around the muffler when pushing huge piles of leafs and caught fire. so mount a category ABC extinguisher on the mower

[retrodog]

Its actually kinda funny now. Honest, I had just got gas at Wal-Mart, and 3 people stopped to talk to me about the mower. Asking me all kinda questions about it. I sat in the truck on the side of the road for a while before I got out. I was scared to see what happened to the mower. It ripped my bagger to shreds, but not one piece came off the mower. Me and another guy that stopped to help, flipped the mower over and I cranked it up and drove it back on the trailer. The deck was bent a little, hydros were off a bit, e-brake bent, and the front fork was toast. I called the factory to get the front piece, and they asked me to drive it up, and they actually fixed it, new deck even! I have actually become a dealer now for them, pretty much because of my experience with the factory and the price points.

[cman3899]

IXR, if you have a few spare minutes, I would like to pick your brain about the Wichita market. Email me at prolawnks@hotmail.com

[Stillwater]

Its actually kinda funny now. Honest, I had just got gas at Wal-Mart, and 3 people stopped to talk to me about the mower. Asking me all kinda questions about it. I sat in the truck on the side of the road for a while before I got out. I was scared to see what happened to the mower. It ripped my bagger to shreds, but not one piece came off the mower. Me and another guy that stopped to help, flipped the mower over and I cranked it up and drove it back on the trailer. The deck was bent a little, hydros were off a bit, e-brake bent, and the front fork was toast. I called the factory to get the front piece, and they asked me to drive it up, and they actually fixed it, new deck even! I have actually become a dealer now for them, pretty much because of my experience with the factory and the price points.

what did it cost to get it back together?

[retrodog]

I ended up being out about $1500 bucks out of the deal, because they couldn't fix the bagger system. Oh well, I found out after I had gotten it that I really didn't need it anyway. I thought that all mowers left trails and clumps of grass. I had been leaving the bagger chute off and actually throwing grass out, because it dispersed it so good anyway. You win some and you lose some, but this deal could have been alot worse. I hadn't even gotten insurance on the mower yet, and I was going to have to squirrel it up a little to get it covered (I was very uncomfortable with that). After having my insurance man come out and look at it, he suggested just bending the deck back and getting a new front piece welded on and rolling on. I had actually contacted my dealer to get the piece, and he made a call to the factory and told them what happened. Next thing I know a factory rep called me and asked for photos, then asked if we could drive it up and let them take a look at it. We came home with an awesome mower with a little history and a couple of bruises and scratches!

[MnDLawn]

Everyone seems to have just about covered the all the dos,and don'ts.I always carry a homemade spring device i made out of a piece on cable to grab the springs easy off and on. Eric what Double D was saying about his Snapper Hydro is the same thing in my manual i always engage them a full throttle,have been doing this for over 8yrs now never had a problem,When this one goes ill be getting another just like it.Cuts so much better than my scag it unreal. Even a friend of mine who is a lawnmower mechanic said to engage them at full throttle,and he is a very fine mechanic. But i do it different with my Z-Master i engage a least throttle possible. Marks Mowing Service

I agree, every service/owners manual you will find says engage it a full throttle. And also a bell drive blade is nothing like a dropping the clutch in a 9000lb truck.

Great tips keep them coming!

[tennmow]

All,
I've been mowing for 6 years and have incorporated all the previous postings' advice. You learn quickly from errors and downtime.

My piece of advice is more philosophical. I make a point to introduce myself to all the neighbors of my customer(s). I don't knock on doors, I just go up and talk to them when I see them, and this is after I have already given them a wave and a smile in previous weeks.

I introduce myself.. Hi, I'm Pat. I cut for Betty over there. I'm here every Thursday, if there is anything I can do for you just let me know. (Hand them a card, 1000 plain cards at Office Depot is about $12-$13) Then I chew that fat for about 1 - 2 minutes, thank them for their time and excuse myself.

This shows them that you are friendly and efficient. I get SO DARN MANY jobs this way. Many times they cut their own but like the way I trim/edge so I'll hit their sidewalks every two weeks, takes me 5 minutes and I charge 'em $5 per trim and get $10 from them once a month. Then... the other neighbors see you cutting and trimming two of the neighbors and they start looking at your work and thinking...

If it's 105 degrees outside and I see a lady cutting her grass I go over straight away and ask her if I can cut her grass for free. I get the usual guff but they ALWAYS let me. They try to pay me but I'll tell them they can buy me a soda some day, they will be a future customer and they WILL tell all their friends about you for a week!!!

That's only 1 of 100 things I do that only help me. If you want to grow your business always think how others perceive you, perception is reality.
I think those are some really, really good principles and i would seriously be interested in some more of your insight

[IXR]

That is very true...
If a neighbor is out while I am doing service next door, I always try to make it a point to stop and say hello or make a comment on their lawn.
I have an ad in the phone book but I get more referrals than from the book.
Also, working together makes a lot of sense... if I run across a lot to big for what I have, I refer it to a lawn company that has bigger equipment. And in turn he refers work to me.
Here in Wichita, there is a lot of competition... some good, some not.

I figure we can all be friends and all make money, there is more than enough work for everyone.

Anyhow... hope everyone has a fun day today!

Jim

[smut]

Your all so smart. I am very impressed with your knowledge. Thumbs up boys.

[USA LawnCare]

Disclaimer to the Webmaster,...this is not an advertisement ...just giving people the opportunity to know about a new program that can benefit ALL of us in the industry.

Turfjustin:
I agree.....this should have been done a long time ago! Those geniuses at Tools for a Time in Jacksonville, Fla. have it together. The TurfPac Program they offer is incredible for anyone in the industry. Leads, discounts on service and parts, cell phones, insurance and on and on. The owners, Jeff and Debbie Youngblood are real marketers and are bringing this industry to a higher level. As a TurfPac member they advertise for you, give you a website, send you leads, etc. However, as a member you must also uphold the standards and goals that all of should be seeking....professionalism, integrity and competitive pricing. In my personal opinion, this program is the greatest thing that has come along in Jacksonville since the Pilgrims landed! Check it out on their website!
Is there anything like this for TN?

[Tavita]

Hello everyone,
I am new to the landscape business big time. I am trying to estimate different bids and I am not very familar with the conversions, does anyone have a good book or a source that I can view to help me with this process. Thank you!

[pderenzo]

Don't forget Insurance, your now in business. Your present vehicle insurance may be void and not covered if your using it for business and the insurance company does not know it. When you file a claim they may refuse to pay because it is used for business. Signs on the truck is a sure give away to the insurance adjuster. So be prepared to be raped by the insurance industry again, generally rates are doubled from what you are presently paying just because your a business.

Blessing to you all
Pat
http://www.GRASScutters-us.com

[SkyCaptain]

Hello everyone,
I am new to the landscape business big time. I am trying to estimate different bids and I am not very familar with the conversions, does anyone have a good book or a source that I can view to help me with this process. Thank you!

Welcome to the business Tavita! I am also a new owner. So new that my trailer decals aren't going on till tomorrow. I worked for someone else in the business for the past six years. I posed the same question here last week. The best I can say is don't lowball yourself. Also don't rob the customer. Take a look at the property, figure in your head a ballpark of time and trouble it will be, then go with whatever pops in your mind, what it would be worth to you. Not robbing a customer and taking pride in your work will keep you in their good graces for years. My last boss has done this for 29 years. Over half of his customers he has kept for atleast 20 years. He does good work, a scrooge on paying his help, but a high quality worker. That is what keeps customers calling you back every spring.

[McGaw]

Don't forget to check your oil. Driving mower home from the neighbors (3 streets over), he had tuned it up for me. He for some reason didn't have the oil hooked up, get home, put it away, realize there is oil from my house back o his. 2 days later cops are at my door and handing me a nice big ticket. Fought the ticket and didn't have to pay it though. :)

[allthingsgreen]

What do you charge for planting shrubs? Do you charge per shrub or plant? Some advise please.

[IXR]

If I am going to be at the location anyway, and there are only a couple shrubs, I usually don't charge them IF they are a regular customer.
If it is a 1 time thing, I charge $55 for my service charge then $45 per hour after that.
That usually gets me in the door and brings repeat business from them... mowing, sprinkler work, ect...
Hope everyone is having a busy and fun spring!


Newest buy.. John Deere 54" run behind with sulky!
WAY faster than a rider!!!

[AbrahamKC]

I read some of the posts and didn't see a few things. I have been running a crew for a larger company for 3 years now and have learned the hard way.

Always always be aware of what your blowing grass at, because god knows when your going to hit a stick and smoke one of your guys in the face and put him down for a day or two.

Water, I buy water for my guys. NO pop/soda/energy drinks. From experience nothing hydrates you like water, pop and such is good but doesn't do a thing for you. Also if your super hot don't go for the coldest water you can find, its super hard on the body. Grab that bottle of water thats been sitting in the sun, also don't pour iced water on your head all tho it feels good it can make you light headed and faint.

Watch what you eat for lunch, if its hot outside no milkshakes. If its cold no Ice Cream. If you don't feel good after lunch I can see it in your work.

Always take pride in your work and treat it as your own. Don't fight with neighbors about property lines if they want to mow 6" of the yard you cut so be it. Respect peoples pets (blowing grass/weed eating) even tho it doesn't look like they are home they are watching you.

Laugh, We always switch the radio stations from yard to yard and sometimes one of us bust out on a solo of some Celine Dion, yeah you make feel a little gay after but if it makes you guys laugh thats all that matters having fun at work makes people preform better. (also at traffic lights during the summer windows down you get the funny looks)

Wave at everyone and always have a smile.

[DanDodge]

Here's a quick review of the hard lessons I have learned. Trust me you don't want to learn the hard way:

1. I know this has been said but don't try to get business by underbidding. It seems like you will make more money but think about it this way:

Mowing for even $5 less means a lot more to you than it does for the customer because if you mow 20 lawns per week for $5 less than you could have charged, that's about a $400 difference for you, but only $20 for the customer, at the end of the month. And if the customer cares more about saving a little money than getting good service, it won't be long before he replaces you.

2. Don't underestimate the challenge of this business. I learned the hard way that you can quickly lose those customers you worked so hard to get, so don't slack off.

Those two lessons have been long hard lessons for me, so I leave them here for the new guy to think about.


So how can I find out the going rate in my area (Old Hickory, Tn. Nashville Suburb) so I don't underbid? Should I just call other local services and tell em what I'm doing and ask for their rates?

[pablodelapena]

*trucewhiteflag*hi iam new here ,advise on grassbrown spots.put ice tea bags in the grown about 1 inch deep. about 1feet apart.and you will have green grass .:cool2:

[tomc327]

I use the Bates brand boots with the steel toes and zipper on the side. I can tie them with double knots and never worry about them coming undone and getting tangled in anything.
Double and triple check your math before submitting invoices if you don't have software to do it. It makes you look like an idiot and you feel really stupid when you ask why the check is less than the invoice.
Take your time when looking at jobs for an estimate and look from different views. Nothing worse than looking ahead at two more days work after the third day on a job you estimated 4 days on and priced that way. That's another day of workers, gas and valuable time that you aren't getting paid for.
And finally always use the right tool for the job. A weed whacker isn't going to clear an overgrown drainage swale, that's a heavy equipment job.
Thanks to everyone for there wisdom and lessons. Be safe out there.

[Animal]

Always wear some sort of safety glasses while trimming and even for blowing. And also, there isn't a day where I have forgotten to protect my ears from the equipment noise. You want to be able to hear in the future right???? Wear ear protection!!!!

First post here looks like lots of good info to be found.

yes this is so true, I learned the hard way,that hearing protections is a must. when I engage the blades on this John Deere 737, I know where it got the name from, it sound as loud as a jet..lol

I have learned the little yellow foam earplugs do the best. I tried the head set kind and after awhile learned not only do they start to hurt. but also get snagged on low limbs.

[RECESSION PROOF MOWING]

You want good advice, here's some good advice...

Do only what you are good at. That means, if you're a "mow and blow" guy, only bid on "mow and blow" jobs. Don't bid on the ultra-anal-retentive corporate lawn that requires overseeding, aeration, multi-striping, edging, etc. Know what you do best and concentrate on that.

Buy used, good equipment. Never buy new. Low to moderate hour machines are just fine. Commercial equipment is built to last these days so don't go into debt heavily just to mow 30 lawns or so. Keep your head on straight.

When a client says that somebody else could mow for less...tell them to hire 'em...TODAY! Never get into a pissing contest with a customer because they will lie, they will say whatever they have to and leave you hanging out to dry. If I can mow that yard for $35 and customer says another guy bid it out for $25, say to her, "Can I have his number...he can mow my yard, too"!

Make your new best friend your dealer. Find a dealer who will service your used equipment and then get on a first-name-basis with him. He'll find equipment for you, repair emergencies, in essence...one of the key elements to my personal success in the mowing business is ready and willing dealer involvement. Get to know the service personnel as well.

[IXR]

Never under bid yourself!
Gas is $3.69 here in Wichita, think what it costs you to haul your equipment around AND the upkeep it needs.
If a home owner says they can get it done cheaper... let them do it!
If you take a job just to get a customer and do it too cheap, you'll just be mad at yourself and loose money too.
I love what I do, but none of us can do it for free!

Here is a great idea... maybe some of you guys already do this but,
I posted an ad on craigslist for "free gass clippings, mulch, compost, horse feed".

I can't bring enough home! It is amazing how many people want them.
And I don't have to take them to a compost heap or the landfill.

Maybe I am the last guy to figure that out but it is sure a cool way to get rid of them!

Hope all is having a great season... work safe.

P.S. Welcome "Animal".

[bare spot]

Couple things to make life easier. First go out and buy a battery/compressor combo pack at your local auto store they run around $50.00. And a tire plug kit. These are great help for tires and battery's, also always blow the engine area clean with your blower. clean grass and leaves from around engine and at least once a year pull the top cover off and blow out around the cylinders. This is the cooling area of the engines more guys kill their engine because they don't take the time to clean them. It's like taking the radiator out of your truck. Sometimes when you use a pressure washer on them if you don't get it good enough then it just packs it better in the engine area where you can not see. hope this helps

i should of paid attention to this post, second time in two yrs, dead battery (lights were on). got lucky again with good a samaritan and wasn't much downtime but picking one up tom.

[tomc327]

I thought I was drinking enough water and even mixing in some Gatorade, until yesterday. You have to keep hydrated more than you think you need to. When the heat gets to you it's too late. The work suffers just because you can't keep up. Just take my word for it and drink the water.

[badzy]

in any business, whether landscaping or not; the key to success always lies on your interest and conviction. Your keenness will guide throughout the business process and through "rise and fall"

[Cornraker]

Always keep a can of starting fluid in the truck!

[joefish]

I found that it's the little things that can shut you down. A $3.00 idler spring, water in the gas. I found that it's easier and cheaper to spend $100.00 on a simple box of spare parts than the time and gas you spend going to the dealer. Make sure that your fuel containers are clean. As for the electric clutch bit... MY Bad Boy with 26HP kaw water cooled will not handle the blades at low RPM without killing the engine. Factory rep said
to engage at full RPM. I agree with those who say "no" to this as it puts tremendous shock to the belts idler springs and makes my jaw muscles ache. TIP that works for me -- " At low RPM (above idle) I give the engine a little choke at the same time I pull the switch for the electric clutch. I get a little puff of black smoke but it's alot smoother start... Hope this helps t!! Also -- It's hot out there - need to cool down quickly -- Dip a towel in cool water and wrap around you neck -- drink water not sodas - you can do a better job thinking about what you are supposed to be doing rather than how sick you are going to feel.
As my grandmother says -- "If you need something call me, I will tell you how to do without..! :)

[Mrcrowley]

You do a price quote remember when you calculate how much loam you need for a job you figure depth of loam into equation...DOH.... OH and find a good loam calculator on-line for loam fill mulch so on...:);)

[brianhanson37]

I'm just getting started, but I only have two ~20" push mowers and a trimmer. I would like to take all the money I make and put it towards a rider. Should I bid cheaper because it will take longer? What would you suggest.

Also, I mulch all my grass at home, but I wonder if others will mind it. What do you people out there do? Bag? Rake? Mulch?

Thanks for the help! Great thread!

[bradfordmick]

Keep hydrated cheaper than spending loads on gas station refills. Fill your cooler up with water mill water and ad the Fitness and sports powder mix drinks to it. Saves you allot over the summer and gets the sodium back in you that the heat takes out.
Keep your route tight I got some close together accounts on http://www.tradeyouraccounts.com that saves me a pretty penny in gas.

[JacksonLawns]

I just finished reading through all 35 pages. I practice a lot of these tips and learned even more good practices. I didn't think I would be able to add anything, but here are a couple more things that I do.

It is very easy to "zone out" while trimming. Try to scan ahead of where you are going periodically (even back where you came from) to make sure there are not people walking towards you while you are kicking up grass and debris. People appreciate this. This is mostly for when you are trimming sidewalks.

While I am blowing I try to get the sidewalks first but if for some reason I start somewhere else (the street or driveway) if I see people walking towards the house I am at I will jump to the sidewalk and blow it off before they get there (when possible...I don't take off in a sprint around the house to get to them). People seem to appreciate that. It may be small, but if they are thinking about hiring someone, they will remember friendly gestures like that....you were going to blow the sidewalk anyway.

Always wave and say hi to neighbors.

If a neighbor asks if you can help them out one time while they are on vacation, do it like it is your prized yard. I just got a new full time customer this way last month.

[topsites]

It is very easy to "zone out" while trimming. Try to scan ahead of where you are going periodically (even back where you came from) to make sure there are not people walking towards you while you are kicking up grass and debris. People appreciate this. This is mostly for when you are trimming sidewalks.

The Ztr too, how I ended up in a cement culvert last week, I'm guessing I just got lazy on the sticks. The worst part was I did stop myself, sitting at a stand still on top of the culvert looking down, and knowing that was the only way out of the predicament.

I found that mentally draining, to have to put the Z down in there, then go get the truck to pull it out the other side, all for a few seconds of dozing...

Stay alert.

I just finished reading through all 35 pages. I practice a lot of these tips and learned even more good practices. I didn't think I would be able to add anything, but here are a couple more things that I do.

Interesting.

[RECESSION PROOF MOWING]

I'm just getting started, but I only have two ~20" push mowers and a trimmer. I would like to take all the money I make and put it towards a rider. Should I bid cheaper because it will take longer? What would you suggest.

Also, I mulch all my grass at home, but I wonder if others will mind it. What do you people out there do? Bag? Rake? Mulch?

Thanks for the help! Great thread!


Any lawn I mow is done "mulch only". Don't have time to bag, not worth the extra few dollars a homeowner will pay. And it wears a guy out, then you have to take it somewhere...don't bag. Mulch it on high level and it will look spectacular. As for the rider, I advise buying a smaller stand-on instead of the rider. Stand-ons are the way to go these days, wouldn't work without one. Faster on and off the trailer, takes up less space, more versatile, cut quality is equal to the ZTR, there's really no reasonable argument not to purchase stand-on commercial mowers these days. I'd look for 32" or 36" in order to get through residential gates. Then, when you amass a small fortune, and larger lawns, it makes sense to keep the stand-on and add a larger ZTR. But if I had just one mower to own...it would be a stand-on.

[Wideopen]

By stand on do you mean walk behind with a sulky?

[RECESSION PROOF MOWING]

By stand on do you mean walk behind with a sulky?


No, that's a walk-behind with sulky. I'm talking about a Wright Stander or John Deere Quik Trak or Great Dane Super Surfer type mower. Handlebar mowers are going the way of the dinosaur.

[Wideopen]

Thank you for clearing that up. Is a stander just a standing ztr? How do u steer it? Sorry for the newb questions.

[JacksonLawns]

yes the standers are ztr's you stand on. They have steering controls on the handles.

http://www.deere.com/en_US/ProductCatalog/GC/series/GC_ztr_quik_trak_series.html

http://www.wrightmfg.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=products.view&productid=22B2C940-F6EB-4667-FD8396DCAD219DC8

http://www.greatdanemowers.com/products/supersurfer.html

I have not used one but have read and heard good things about them.

Hope that helps.

[RECESSION PROOF MOWING]

Thank you for clearing that up. Is a stander just a standing ztr? How do u steer it? Sorry for the newb questions.


If you want to think of it that way, I suppose. They are both nimble with hydraulic, turn on a dime, "zero turning radius" manueverability. Standers have hand controls whereas the standard ztr uses more of the arms pushing forward or backward to control direction. Standing over your intended mowing path has so many advantages over walk behinds, and even ztrs in a sense. I own both the zero turn rider, Scag 60" Turf Tiger...and love it...but my favorite mower of choice is the John Deere Quik Trak 48" stander. That's the mower I go to on moderate-sized properties or less. You can really scan the terrain and hug fencelines with ease, circle trees in three seconds, avoid obstacles instantly, "surf" hilly and angular surfaces with a little practice...wouldn't have it any other way. I'd sure like to hear arguments out there from the professional cutters on why you still own the tradition "handlebar" walk behind mower. I'm all ears...

[jblackburn77]

One thing I haven't seen here yet...keep a digital camera in your rig. Photo's of "incidents" when they happen sure make your insurance guy happy. Nothing like having proof the the $3000.00 worth of damage to a clients car caused by a worker was really only a $100.00 worth of damage. You'll loose your client but save your butt in court and on premiums.

[STIHL GUY]

Wear good, solid, comfortable footwear!

Keep those precious feet and toes protected. As a solo-operator I know that I would be in BIG trouble if something bad happened to one of my 'prime movers'.


Thats a good one. i just sprained my foot and stepped on a broken glass bottle barefoot in the same week. now one foot is swollen and cut up and it isnt fun walking/ limping behind the WB

[unityroad]

hello, I have allways made sure I had a wrench socket, screwdriver etc... to fit all bolts screws on all of my equipment. Do it on off time, stocking the tool box with only the tools you can use, saves me time to fix the problem quickly with out "hunting" for the phanton tool I never loaded in the trailer. Good luck friend, Tim

[NickWilson]

Keep fix-a-flat on the trailer

Buy a portable air tank

I swear, mower tires are lined with magnets!

No Doubt.......Three flats in one day last week.

[NickWilson]

Also, do not let any one set your price good customers are gold, whiners are a dime a dozen “ we can possibly meet so and so price if it is in writing and legitimate” haggling just is not worth the air to do it. You cannot have every lawn as some people are cheap and some of the cheapest son of a !#^#@! ichs live in three story mansions with prize winning lawns.

Hope this helped a little.

[Edited by Freetime on 04-16-2001 at 11:21 AM]

Our motto is "Affordable Lawn Care". We basically allow the customer to set the price on the mowing part. We set the price for the other typical work. (leaves, Gutter, Landscaping and what not). If we think we can do the lawn care for the price we do it. If not, we move on. We have a set rate that we want to make per hour. If we can do the yard for the customer at their price than everyone is happy. If we can't do the yard and still cover our price we just say no.

[Gary Campbell]

I like to carry more than one rider with me, in case of a flat on one, or if I get one stuck in the wet ground we have this year...easier to finish up the job with the extra mower than to fix a tire on the job site....take it back to the shop later

[tradeyouraccounts]

If you haven`t got your truck and company work wear with your company details on your loosing customers. Imagine all the people that see your vehicle on the road and at your customer`s properties. It`s very reasonable to get signage on your truck and just one new customer`s service may pay for it. The same goes for your work wear and it can all go as a company expense. It also makes an impression and looks professional.

[Kglenn04]

lol what do you meen the idot for the day?

[Lawn Freak]

If not already mentioned, check tire pressures on all mowers daily. And try not to do like I do and use a wrench to adjust something, then stick it in your pocket and forget it. Then when you empty your pockets at night you find it and say oops I forgot to put this back in the toolbox. And then I lay it on my dresser and tell myself, I'll grab it on the way out in the morning. Then it lays there for a week until I need it and don't have it.

[Kglenn04]

If not already mentioned, check tire pressures on all mowers daily. And try not to do like I do and use a wrench to adjust something, then stick it in your pocket and forget it. Then when you empty your pockets at night you find it and say oops I forgot to put this back in the toolbox. And then I lay it on my dresser and tell myself, I'll grab it on the way out in the morning. Then it lays there for a week until I need it and don't have it.

lol thats happen to me once before

[Lawn Freak]

I did it again tonight. Used this wrench to adjust something on my Gravely and after I posted before I checked my pockets and there it was.
120713

[Lawn Freak]

Jumper cables are a really good thing to have as well. Good thread guys!

[freshprince94]

I'll add a few:

Always carry spare spark plugs, throttle cables, etc. on you. These things don't break a lot but when they do having one saves you a trip to the dealer.

Have the dealer on speed dial, talking to them often saves you a trip.

Use racks for trimmers and blowers, rather than keeping them in the truck bed. This is better for them and deters theft. I say deter, not prevents for a reason.

Always buy your new equipment in the winter to save a little $$$ and even if you don't, it's better for tax purposes.

Always have multiple business cards on you. You never know when you'll run into a potential customer.

Keep a 21" on the trailer if you run into something the big mowers can't handle.

Never give an "expected price" by phone or e-mail. Example, if someone calls you for an estimate, don't say "It will probably be XXX per cut." The customers will stick to that price, which is often too low.

Try to stick to one brand of equipment. This is easier for parts.

Lastly, always enjoy what you're doing. If you're miserable, it's time to switch careers or hire help.

[freshprince94]

Another thing I just remembered: Avoid listening to music while working. A company I worked for a few years back had a big problem at a commercial account when a worker on mowing near a sidewalk on a ZTR, with headphones on, didn't see a passerby and pelted her with wet grass clippings. The company almost lost the account, and the employee was fired mid-job.

[OSCLandscaping]

Another thing I just remembered: Avoid listening to music while working. A company I worked for a few years back had a big problem at a commercial account when a worker on mowing near a sidewalk on a ZTR, with headphones on, didn't see a passerby and pelted her with wet grass clippings. The company almost lost the account, and the employee was fired mid-job.

Didn't anyone ever tell him the headphones go on your ears, not your eyes.

[Grace9508]

Do not just say oh that will only take a little bit of time! don't be a dope leaves are misleading.

[BADevilDog]

Didn't anyone ever tell him the headphones go on your ears, not your eyes.

So the lesson learned would be to actually pay attention to what your doing and not be stuck in your own little world.

My additional advice would be to use a mulch kit when you can, this avoids side shooting grass onto streets (and people) and such which I absolutely despise!! I can't stand seeing a company side shoot grass onto streets and then not clean it up. That is so messy and tacky and doesn't look good for the business. If I'm side shooting then my first few passes always get shot to the inside and not onto a street. On my weekly lawns though we use mulch kits which reduces that problem. I say reduce becuase you still have outflow from the deck even with a mulch kit or bagger.

Sorry, just my pet peave in the lawn care business.

[Midstate Lawncare]

So the lesson learned would be to actually pay attention to what your doing and not be stuck in your own little world.

I can't stand seeing a company side shoot grass onto streets and then not clean it up. That is so messy and tacky and doesn't look good for the business.

Sorry, just my pet peave in the lawn care business.

I whole heartedly second that motion! It is lazy, unprofessional and usuaully against city ordinance. When I hire someone, that will be the first thing I tell them, "it is ok to throw the grass out there, but if you don't blow it off, you're fired."

[critrmac]

Yes Eric newbie here( Alantis ) will read and read and then some hope to talk to you someday.

[jwalker17]

this thread is years in the making, and fantastic in every sense of the word. I have learned so much valuable information it is unbelievable. Is there anyone working in Toronto, Ontario, Canada? I noticed a lot of these yanks talking about equipment I cant find a dealer for!!!!

Thanks everyone for your wisdom and keep it coming!

[tomc327]

I suggest spare pairs of gloves and boots in the truck during the rainy season, if you have one. Had to run all the way back to the house after some emergency flood control a couple weeks ago. Might want a rain coat too.

[sssupercar]

If you have no experience in the business, I suggest working with a developed business for several months before you go out on your own - that's what I did and it greatly benefited me.

[SproulsMowingService]

Also, I made a little sign to go on all my mowers that says "DON'T DO ANYTHING STUPID." It may sound silly but when you see it six or seven hours a day it does kind of sink in.

I kind of like this idea. Only problem is that some employees would just sit around all day after reading it!!!

[ralph84]

Wow, guys. 38 pages. If y'all can believe this, I sat and read this thread in two sittings, I guess I was that interested!

Anyway, as so many have said before me, thank you all for the information, though I'm sure most of the contributors aren't even here anymore to receive my thanks.

I don't have much to add that hasn't been said before, I would like to note that if you were considering ear plugs or a noise-cancelling headset, you might think of this: My ears seem to be really shallow and the earplugs won't go in very deep so I don't think I'm getting maximum protection, and if they fall out it takes me a long time to put them back in. I'm about to just go buy a headset.

[seabee24]

hey this question was asked back on the first page... i didnt bother to read them all, but i dont think this was ever properly answered

regaurding PTO engaugement

for a manuel PTO , - lowest RPM

for an electric PTO - If it has a battery, then lowest RPM

for an electric PTO , that does NOT have a battery ( Pull start) then high RPM. the truck example is a good one, but some of you seem to forget , for those peaces of equiptment with out batteries, the electrical power the casues the clutch to engaurged is generated by the motor. if the RPM is low , then there is almost no electrical current , which would cause the clutch to slip and cause more damage to it then engauging it at a full RPM

[ExtExc]

If you do sod installation.....GREEN SIDE UP !

my grandpa was a sod guy, and this was one of his "infamous qoutes" for FNG's

how do i do this????


Green Side up!


along with....

why do i have to do this?


cus "Im the boss"

[PineappleSlap]

Wow, guys. 38 pages. If y'all can believe this, I sat and read this thread in two sittings, I guess I was that interested!

Anyway, as so many have said before me, thank you all for the information, though I'm sure most of the contributors aren't even here anymore to receive my thanks.

I don't have much to add that hasn't been said before, I would like to note that if you were considering ear plugs or a noise-cancelling headset, you might think of this: My ears seem to be really shallow and the earplugs won't go in very deep so I don't think I'm getting maximum protection, and if they fall out it takes me a long time to put them back in. I'm about to just go buy a headset.

with the ear plugs do this........roll very very tightly
use the arm/hand on the opposite side of the ear you are about to put the plug in
take that arm, go over the top of your head and grab the top of your ear
pull up and out on your ear, this opens the canal.
insert plug while doing so with other arm/hand.....
you will be surprised how far that thing will go in there......sometimes it hurts they go in so far.....and they literally cancel out just about everything

(was in the navy and worked on aircraft, putting earplugs in is a delicate artform if you ask me)

[thesodfather]

locks cables and maybe a pitbull that can guard your equipment. nothing like waking up at 7am or heading back to the truck after mowing a back yard to find out your backpack or other 300+ dollar piece of equipment has been ripped off by a competitor or some 16 yr old troll

[jwalker17]

Don't let your employer screw with you like I just got. Get paid fair. make sure your actually being taxed and paid appropriately.

[Duffster]

Don't let your employer screw with you like I just got. Get paid fair. make sure your actually being taxed and paid appropriately.

Care to indulge:confused:

[albhb3]

Theres no replacement for displacement :drinkup:

[jwalker17]

without getting into lavish details....

I am on "probation" for a mortgage. since our industry is seasonal; I'm a contract worker. I need 5 months work history to get a mortgage for a house.

My boss was supposed to be taxing me since feb. 1st since he said he would put me on the books. but apparently he didn't and now I wont qualify for a goddamn mortgage and have lost almost every chance of owning a home since my downpayment willl needed to be spent of rent. and all the "taxes" i paid are lost in the system.

Some things where taxed... somethings were not... he claimed me as a stupid sub-contractor not an employee.

So

[Economy Landscaping]

thanks for such a good thread. Very good information... plus i was LMAO half the time too. Thanks once again..

D.

[badazzelanore]

Sue him! he is lazy and a shitty boss!

[WestGaLawnCare]

My first post. I've just read all 39 pages and learned a lot. Thanks to all that contribute.

I live in the south where it gets very hot and humid (I don't mind the heat. It's the humility that gets to me :)) I've just started to learn about lawn care but I already know how to handle the heat.

- Drink water (12 - 16oz)
before you even begin to perspire so that you can 'stay ahead' of dehydration
- Although it looks gay as hell, take a bandana or some other 100% cotton rag, soak it completely in cold water then tie it around your neck. The cold rag will cool the blood running through both Jugular veins. Also, as the water in the rag evaporates it will be cooler than outside temperatures (when liquids evaporate they give off cool air, i.e. rubbing alcohol when applied to the skin cools the skin because the alcohol evaporates quickly, freon evaporates immediately after leaving the can)
- Everybody that has seen the Gatorade commercials knows that during perspiration our bodies lose nutrients such as sodium and potassium. When I used to play soccer in the Georgia heat of August, part of my pregame meal was bananas because of their potassium content. It made a big difference in my stamina during a 90 minute game. I learned that from reading about Kyle Rote Jr. who used to be a professional soccer player in the MSL 30 years ago.
- before NASCAR drivers insert their earplugs, they put them in their mouths to lubricate them with saliva. It's a gross sensation to me that reminds me of old Richard Pryor jokes

[Breezmister]

It's a gross sensation to me that reminds me of old Richard Pryor jokes

Live on Sunset Strip ! :laugh::laugh::laugh: Welcome aboard :drinkup:

[airsoftamazon]

If you are pulling your trailer in the garage for the first time, make sure the gate is going to clear the garage door.

Smile, it could be worse!

LOl, just reading old stuff, and by chance just had to fix my ramp after meeting with the bay door!

[bugguy8]

I just read all 39 pages in 1 setting.... 2 Hrs to do it....


Great Information.


I havent started my Lawn Care Business yet. Going to have some ankle surgery. Got hurt at work and been off for the last 7 months because of it...

Once I am released to go back to work in a few months I am sure I will get fired. Considered a Liability know I assume...

So, had to sit down and think about what I can do after this is all over....

I have 1 acre and I love to be on the rider cutting the grass and straightning things up.

SO what better to get into then what I enjoy doing. No more boss to push me around and no one to answer too but my wife...:laugh:

Shes actually the one who suggested it. Gotta love her....

I already have a small trailer, rider mower (from Home Depot ) trimmer, gas blower, rakes and such. I will start small.... Purchase bigger and better when I can.

Heres my train of thought:

A) Buy quality equipment with cash if all possible.

B) Never spend more then you make.

C) Work hard, smart and build up a 1 of a kind lawn care business.

D) Go above and beyond even if it means spending 10 more minutes on the same job.

E) Never go below your minumum charge. NEVER.

F) Treat every customer like they are your only one.

G) Be honest, dependable and friendly.

H) Just when you think your quality is #1, take a few minutes and stop by a competitors lawn. You will find things that someone else is doing better.

I) This is the most important one of all........ Always find time in your business to be with your family. Don't let your business run your life. Even if one of your scheduled stops is taking your wife to lunch. Or picking up a toy for your child to surprise them with.

Love your family and when the hard times hit, they will back you up through anything.


I will start my own business, I will be successful. I will be the best I can be.


Sorry for such a long post.

[Horticulture Goddess]

I had a long list yesterday, but most of it's already here.

1. Make a list of cross reference parts. (bearings, belts, bushings, and pulleys, etc.) In other words, get an aftermarket parts catalog and find out which part numbers are the same as other manufacturers. When your dealer doesn't have the parts in stock, you can go to the other mfg dealer and cross to their part number to get what you need. As someone mentioned, downtime STINKS!

2. Try to buy all your oil, trimmer line, belts, filters, and whatever you know you will need for a year at one time. You can get a better deal in bulk.

3. Pay yourself first. No, I don't mean salary. I mean invest. 10-15% off the top. Don't convince yourself you can't afford to. You can't afford not to. BTW, if you don't have winter income, set up an account for that also.

4. Make sure you communicate with your customers, family, and the people working with you. People generally don't like change, and wives like it least. Let them know what's going on. It's not whether things will go wrong, they will. It's how you handle it when they do.

5. Make time for yourself and your family. I was working 60-80 hours a week. My son wanted to take out the boat, but I never had time. It didn't take many trips to the principal's office for me to get it. Again, you can't afford not to.

6. Appreciate the good years, and prepare for the lean ones. Thank God for all that you have.
Wonderful and detailed info. I absolutely love your quote!

[Horticulture Goddess]

Know this sounds silly, but I am just starting out.. I just loaded up good old Excel and read this entire thread, item by item. I'm gonna post it on the garage wall, it's all the stuff to "Load Every Time Out" list. Some stuff, like Wasp Spray, ear plugs and spare trailer tire are 3 things that I don't currently have, but will as of tommorow, that's for sure. Nothing like a quick checklist and a tool caddy to get it all organized to really help out.

Gary
How do you export a thread into Excel? That is a great idea, i've found tons of stuff in this post that i wouldnt have thoughtof. Thx.

[Horticulture Goddess]

This is very informative and I love your ideas, particularly since I do garden design. Great tips!!

[Gregg1987]

a good thread! =)

[Jonverobeach]

hi everyone,
I'm Jon and i just started a lawn and tree trimming service in vero beach florida i've been doing this for a few months and havn't done bad, the money is in the trees really av. 15 dollars a palm tree and av. of 10-20 trees per lawn. but now i'm trying to get the lawn accounts. However, most people seem to be extremely loyal to there lawn guys i can't get any of my tree customers to switch to me. and my tree bus. is slow right now. im almost ready to get another job and throw in the towel please help.

[otis]

disable the safety crap,

[jeffslawnservice]

hi everyone,
I'm Jon and i just started a lawn and tree trimming service in vero beach florida i've been doing this for a few months and havn't done bad, the money is in the trees really av. 15 dollars a palm tree and av. of 10-20 trees per lawn. but now i'm trying to get the lawn accounts. However, most people seem to be extremely loyal to there lawn guys i can't get any of my tree customers to switch to me. and my tree bus. is slow right now. im almost ready to get another job and throw in the towel please help.

I am just starting out and am running into the same problem. I will trim bushes or install mulch and try to pick the lawn up but they say they are loyal to the other guy. I say either one of two things: I can only service full service customers, or certain service services are cheaper to my full service customers. Some fall for it others don't but it does work some times. Just be polite and nice about it.

[Craig3]

As far as democrats raising taxes, I will be more than happy to pay my share today versus, getting $65.00 dollars a year that Bush gives me and leave billions of dollars in a hole, and my children and grand children are born in a hole to pay back. You tell me what is $65.00 dollars is to me? Nothing..Nada...He claims I could have a down payment on the washer and dryer and that is all, a down payment not a whole price. Yet Bush and his administration could spend billions of dollars ($200 billion if not more) for Iraq ($250 billion on Afganistan) for his own OIL FIELDS and for Chaney to grow his personal companies, and for his administration interest. Bush and his administration is really poor, so what the poor folks of the U.S. of America have to say. We are the poor ones and we continue to pay the high cost of Republicans.

seems ironic at this point.

I'd like to add that neighbors are my target market. I'll pick up any yard w/in a certain distance of home base, but if you see the neighbors talk to them, be nice and respectful to them, do a good job on the account and you may pick that neighbor up some day.

[Craig3]

without getting into lavish details....

I am on "probation" for a mortgage. since our industry is seasonal; I'm a contract worker. I need 5 months work history to get a mortgage for a house.

My boss was supposed to be taxing me since feb. 1st since he said he would put me on the books. but apparently he didn't and now I wont qualify for a goddamn mortgage and have lost almost every chance of owning a home since my downpayment willl needed to be spent of rent. and all the "taxes" i paid are lost in the system.

Some things where taxed... somethings were not... he claimed me as a stupid sub-contractor not an employee.

So
tell his insurance agent. You can stick it to him there ;)

[darryl gesner]

a good thread! =)

Yes, it really is a good thread. The starter of the thread was a great guy who passed away before his time. It's great to see that this thread lives on. Eric went out of his way to help out the "new guy" and I've never seen a lawn that looked better than the ones he serviced.

[PestPro]

tell his insurance agent. You can stick it to him there ;)

I think if he gave you a 1099, then it was up to you. If you are going to start a business, you should have known the difference. If he was not taking out taxes on your pay, you know the goverment is going to get their money from someone.

[PestPro]

I am just starting out and am running into the same problem. I will trim bushes or install mulch and try to pick the lawn up but they say they are loyal to the other guy. I say either one of two things: I can only service full service customers, or certain service services are cheaper to my full service customers. Some fall for it others don't but it does work some times. Just be polite and nice about it.

Ask yourself,,,,If they were your loyal customers, would you not expect themm to say the same for you. If you keep working hard and being fair, it time you to will have LOYAL customers.

[PestPro]

Wonderful and detailed info. I absolutely love your quote!


And make sure you put some money side for taxes at the end of the year, or you could be out of business.

[WildassBaughb]

How did we get off on how to engage a clutch?

Rules to go by to improve or start a business.
1. Start local, advertise local. I stay withing my own zip code (within a city).
2. Do quality work.
3. Be reliable.
4. Follow through on promises/commitments.

Ideas:

Mowing clients:
Give an estimate that you can live with and make an honest profit. I offer 3 options for new estimates: 1. Occasional service (example $55) 2. Scheduled Service every 7-10 days ($51) with these 2 options payment is due upon completion. 3. Super Saver Plan (Scheduled Service) pay 4 cuts in advance at a time ($46 X 4=$184). Clients like the idea of choices and almost all choose option 3 to save more money. Now you're not working with your money or borrowed money, your using their and they like it that way. 98 percent of my mowing clients are on this plan.

Mowing plus clients:
If a client does more business with me, then I offer a yearly plan with annual, semi-annual or monthly payments. "Plus" items include: landscape maintenance, lawn treatments and landscape treatments.

These methods work. Try'em.

[ThumbisGreen84]

Only thing i have to add after reading all 41 pages is if your fixing sprinkler heads or valves or even touching any part of an irrigation system for your costumers then i would check and see if your state requires you to be licensed. I just took and past my irrigation test for Texas and it was a big deal to get. With new rules that just came out in 2010 for Texas you must be a licensed irrigator to touch any part of the system. You can get up to a $2000 dollar fine for messing with this without a license. It will be hard to enforce but after all i went through to get my license you can bet that i will be on the look out for lawn care businesses working on systems without license. I will report you myself. Thats money out of my pocket. And you can tell who is licensed or not because you have to have your license numbers posted on your truck and professional irrigators know this. Just don't do it leave it to the pros and everyone will benefit.

[aboveandbeyondlandscaping]

any good liabilty ins companies?
just starting out thus spring coming up. done this for 7 years just trying it myself now

[GrassIsGreenerLawnCare]

thanks for the suggestions and advice. just starting out LLC and learning alot from this site alone. im glad i found it

[Nu-Scape]

I don't pressure was but I do use compressed air and a scrapper at the end of every day.

[green monster]

There is a lot of great advice on this thread. Some people laugh at the safety stuff, but those are the ones that have not been hurt yet. All it takes is one good injury to screw you up and screw up your business. Don't learn the hard way. Take your time and be safe!

[tosainu1]

Always make sure that your gas is full before you start a job because it is terrible for the engine to burn dry. Of course you have to at the end of the season. Also, never try to load a mower on a trailer if the trailer is at any pitch. It is decieving but the ramp will be much steeper and you should expect your mower to tip back and possibly roll. Great thread!
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[RECESSION PROOF MOWING]

Weather predictors are 50/50 at best. Always wake up and be ready to mow grass every day unless it's 100% predicted to rain. I can't tell you how many good days of mowing production I would've wasted if I had listened to these stupid weather forecasters! Get out there with a skeleton crew if you must and wait on a passing rain...nothing ruins a perfectly good profit/loss sheet than wasted labor! Especially on government contracts that want their properties mowed come hell or high water. Get the job done and do not waste 3/4 of a day because the first 2 hrs had some sprinkles. Adjust the labor, mow grass!!

[Mom22Boys80]

What a great post! My husband and I have started mowing a few yards in the neighborhood (4-5). We're keeping it small -- push mower, no trailer. Alot of great tips on here that we hadn't thought about!!

Sam

[ANTHONY123]

i barely started my buisness i got a few customers its going smooth but how can i start to do commercial

[WildassBaughb]

Commercial Accounts are not as appealing as people think. It is very competitive and you might get one for a year then not the next. There is no loyalty...just dollars and there is always someone who will do it cheaper the next year. Residential clients are better because they tend to stick with you as long as you do a good job. I have never lost a client to my competition due to being reasonable, consistent and reliable.

[Camo Lawn]

Go to good will and buy a couple cheap Polo shirts to work in if you don't have your own shirts. When I started out I did this and you wouldnt believe the clients that commented on how it was nice to have someone around their property that wasnt in a tattered or torn up t-shirt. I got one client because the last guy wore no shirt and had nipple piercings. Im just sayin .... lol

[cb171985]

change your oil. im suprised how many guys just let their machines blow up.

[johntab]

1. Just because you are not sweating doesn't mean you don't need water. Keep hydrated.

2. Keep benadryl tablets and ointment in your first aid kit to deal with stings.

3. If you are allergic to bees have your epi pen with you.

4. Food is fuel - eat smart, don't let yourself get to empty.

5. Schedule your most physically demanding jobs either early or late in the day when the weather is coolest.

[mountfield]

KEEP THESE IN YOUR RIG:
spare blades, belts, coolant, hydro fluid, oil, bar oil, fuses, fix a flat, trailer tires, LOTS OF TOOLS including metric & standard, air compressor w/assorted fittings, water cooler, fluid film, grease gun, 20" bolt cutters, 2 cycle mix, bungy cords, extra tie downs, log chain, extra chain saw chain, small generator, clean clothes, rain gear, fire extingusher, first aid kit with hydrogen peroxide, crow bar, trimmer line, spark plugs, I'm sure I'm missing things...

Whats the hydrogen peroxide for?!

[dhnorf]

I have a Gravely zt1734, I always engage the blade at full RPM's. I never really considered engaging at a lower rpm to save the belts or clutch. Does it make a difference on this machine?

[Buck123]

Keep current with local ordinances regarding LS. Cops just love to pull landscapers over. Make sure all your paperwork is in order.

Hi I'm new to all of this. What do you mean by local ordinances? I didn't know there was any specific ordinances for lawn guys. Can anyone give me an example?

Thanks

[Triple H]

Hey Fellas im starting a new lco in Arizona in light of the new immigration law. Any advice is welcomed!

[thesodfather]

Hey Fellas im starting a new lco in Arizona in light of the new immigration law. Any advice is welcomed!

Go somewhere grass grows
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[ajslands]

Go somewhere grass grows
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Like Michigan!!!!!! Woooohoooooooo
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[thesodfather]

Like Michigan!!!!!! Woooohoooooooo
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Ya go take business from him.. ann arbors a *****
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[thesodfather]

Like Michigan!!!!!! Woooohoooooooo
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Ya take business from that guy.. Ann arbors a *****
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[topsites]

I can tell you guys one thing I learned in the years, you don't have to listen to me,
most folks don't, maybe they think they know it better or maybe they really do know
everything and maybe not, but whichever the reason it's your business so not only is
it your call but you can do whatever you want.

But the one thing I have learned that really counts down the road is to set yourself up a system,
a method with steps that like 1-2-3 this is how you do things, first time, every time.

With everything, starting with how you load and unload the mower, do it a certain way always,
I realize these things won't come automatically all at once from the first day,
but I highly recommend working on it one thing at a time, here and there, as you get the chance,
remember to work on developing a systematic method on how to do something.

How you start the engine, how you exit the truck, do the keys come out of the ignition first or does the seat belt come off now,
why, should the keys come out, is it important, why?

Some of the answers to these questions might come to you one day, hopefully in a flash of insight rather than a moment of hindsight,
I'll spoil this one by telling you that the reason why the keys need to come out of the ignition is both so that it forces you to put
the transmission lever in park thus preventing a roll-off (don't laugh, all it takes is one time in 20 years) and to keep some thief
from jumping in your truck and driving away with your whole load so they can take it someplace where they can unload what they
were after to begin with and without being disturbed.
So there does exist reason behind the madness, it should, but as important are the benefits from doing things a certain way.

The benefits come in many ways, efficiency is one of them, less room for error
is another, last but not least you just might come off as someone who looks like
they know what they are doing, but most important is that a systematic method
lends itself to a smooth running business.

Good luck.

[Triple H]

Plenty of people here with $! Grass and irrigation work all over the city! 6th biggest in the nation btw! Illegals too afraid to come outside let alone work. Cash cow baby! All 4 seasons well represented here and plenty of turf work as well and I cant forget the power washing $ from the dust storms!

[jonthepain]

Wish NC had your immigration law!

[PurePerfectionLM]

[QUOTE=ajslands;3624998]Like Michigan!!!!!! Woooohoooooooo
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[8rickyj]

I have been caught. I had to play it off like i was inspecting the trees

[tlcny]

DO: Buy the best equipment that you possibly can, and the biggest trailer that you can afford.

DON'T: Overextend yourself so that you have to work 20 hrs a day.

i love to see guys like you pull up with a 24 foot trailer loaded with every thing but the kitchen sink. owing the bank out the A. then not use half of what you carry all day and charge 20 bucks to mow. good advice keep spreading you stupidity.at 3.50 per gal for gas you want last see you in the classified i will be the one call to buy your eq at half price.

[tlcny]

:hammerhead::hammerhead:find a used 2500 truck 2 wheel is all you need to start a 12 foot trailer used as well a little paint some lights and you have a new trailer a 60in rider or walk behind i think the walk behind is better to start out it can be used more then a rider put a bull rider on it.36 in walk behind or 22your choice 36 faster 22 cheaper new or used for the mowers these are the money makers so put your $$$ here keep your eyes on greenkeeper hes going to be selling some slightly used eq.or ebay craigslist look over used closely weed eater and a hand held blower save up for a back pack blower buy it in the fall when you need it. if you live in the snow belt wait till mid summer or fall buy a plow truck or buy one to start up to you. i would do the 2 wheel less up front not much to keep them up better on gas can find tons for little money hand tools also your money maker buy prunning and chain saw eq as you ned them you can wait a while for these this is the perfect set up to start. now you can go to the bank if you want to its a free world and most in this room thats what they have done i just have this to say a pritty rig will not make you any more money then my rig and the more you spend the less you make simple math. this Will get tons of play cant wait for feed back

[bobo316]

ok, what if u have a bagger w/ultra vac attach.Should u still engage blades at or above idle?or at 3/4 to full?

[darryl gesner]

ok, what if u have a bagger w/ultra vac attach.Should u still engage blades at or above idle?or at 3/4 to full?

You probably know by now that if you try it at idle you'll just stall it out. I don't think anyone is recommending you engage your blades at idle, are they? Disengage maybe. I engage mine at enough rpms to not bog down/stall out the engine...i dunno..probably 1/2 to 3/4 throttle...and disengage at idle.

[zopi]

Here is a tip...do not get yourself bogged down in details at first...take care of what needs it, but the point is to have blades in grass...orspades in dirt...that makes the money...getcha a plan, learn some marketing and start small...grow with the business, but do not expand until you are ready.
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[Tankers]

I'm brand new to this business, only been at it a few weeks. Some of you old pros will probably low this story, lol.

On my very first account I ever did (last week), it was an elderly wheel chair bound couple. I wanted the job so bad I offered to attach their down spouts if they'd pay materials. I figured it was an easy 10 minute job and if it landed the account then all the better. I showed up for my first day on the job wanting to knock out the spouts quickly and get to mowing.

Well the week before (when I had initially bid the job) it was a cool, clear day, perfect weather. Soon after I left the couple had spotted a hole in their fence and had to quit letting the dogs out of the backyard. Instead they let them out into the incredibly tiny front fenced in area where the broken down spouts were.

So here I come all loaded up and ready to save the day. An hour later the sun is beating down my back (no sunblock), I'm ankle deep in dog sh*t that is now warm and festering, my drill's batteries are going dead, the old lady won't put her dogs in the back room so I get an earful from them coming from the windows above me... And since I'm Mr. Work-for-free they ask if I can fix their fence holes (can't say no now). Their gates are all but falling apart so each time I need to go back to the truck (a million times), I have to stop and tie the gate(s) shut behind me because God forbid they keep the dogs in the house while I do all the free work.

Okay so finally I get to the actual yard work... What I didn't realize when I bid it is that their yard clean up was actually labor intensive. They didn't just have leaves from the Fall that were fused to the soil and impossible to rake but they haven't had any lawn service in years. I had to shovel the piles of leaves (thick compost) into yard bags. It all looked so small and simple when I bid it - eight yard waste bags later and finally I'm mowing.

So I break out my new 33" Sutech walk behind and go at it. Well as it turns out even commercial grade equipment can't work wonders. The foot tall grass is hiding all the potholes along the fence line so every couple yards I'm having to man handle the 300 lbs machine one way or another so now my back is killing me. Finally I get the whole fence line done and start with my rows back and forth, back and forth. I'm not yet smart enough to take the mulching plate off and let the hay bails fly out the side so this really slows me down.

And then the inevitable happens. The old lady doesn't tell me (because I don't know to ask) exactly what's in the back yard. Any guesses? Give yourself a pat on the back if you guessed a 15' metal leash (the kind that comes coated in green plastic, impossible to see) tied to a 6" tall metal stake. Whack, whack, baam, crunch, screeeech, kaput! Son of a b*tch!

It gets better. I brought one little bottle of water and nothing at all containing sugar so I'm getting a bit shaky and worn out. So I finish the yard, pack it all up and limp back home. I get it all unloaded and laid out on the back patio to inspect the damage. My 21 inch consumer grade Snapper mower has both the back wheels angling from bent axles (still in the shop), the shaft running from the engine to the spool on my Craftsman weed whacker snapped in two (somehow), my 33" Sutech had broken grease points and completely worn out blades.

Come to find out Sutech is not a popular brand at all and the closest dealer is two states away. Snapper and Craftsman are still under warranty but servicing them takes at least two weeks, personally I think it's a deterent to stop folks from seeking service, lol.

That was day one and it sucked!

[Tankers]

I also want to say thanks to all who post about bidding and avoiding lowballing. I was tempted to undercut folks and get all the business, or so I thought. A few weeks in to this deal and I can tell right away when someone is cheap. We all want to save a buck but either you pay for quality lawn service or you don't.

Is it just me or are the cheap ones NEVER happy anyways. Just this morning I told a lady $35 for her yard (mow, trim, blow). She was complaining because her guy charges $32 and she is concerned about price most of all. Boo hoo. She must not be that happy with him or she wouldn't call me. He is probably not all that happy with her or he'd be doing a better job (I saw her yard, it sucks in my opinion).

I also realized quick that not only do the cheap ones hate having to pay a dime but I really hate being there. The whole time all I can think about is how they really need to cough up an additional $5 per service. I'm a good guy but this isn't a charity.

[Tankers]

So right now all I have is a chainsaw, weed whacker, hand held leaf blower, 21" walk behind with bag, 33" commercial walk behind, hand tools and tool box. I've been putting together a kit with nuts, bolts, grease points, tools of every kind, oils, lubes and so on in hopes that I can deal with things in the field as I've been learning the hard way. I keep all my manuals on hand to assist along with manufacturer hotlines. Pocket full of business cards, self addressed envelopes for folks who pay by mail, strick records of who pays/owes/dates/services/etc.

I haven't set up any sort of official business yet and don't have insurance. I only have three accounts but can handle about 8 to 10, I'm sure accountants will come and go as things change. My schedule only allows for part time work, about 4 hours a day, 5 days a week. I'm doing all I can to stream line every last bit so it's fast and efficient. I don't have employees or any loans, all equipment is bought and paid. I also don't have a trailer which is a huge pain but all my stuff actually fits all right in the bed of the truck. I use aluminum ramps that strap to the hitch to stay in place. My 33" is light enough not to bend my tail gate.

So anyhow, that is my setup so far. Unfortunately it's all I can afford at this point and I really some accounts going before I invest more (or before the wife will let me, lol). I'm open to any and all suggestions!

[Tankers]

I'll try to post some pics of the set up soon as I'm quite proud of all that I've done so far.

[flyingdutch16]

I'll try to post some pics of the set up soon as I'm quite proud of all that I've done so far.

I recommend you post those pictures in the pictures thread and not here, just a suggestion. Btw thats one hell of a story and that must have sucked for you. its good that you finished it tho. And cheap people always suck

Good luck this season

[tornabenej]

I love that saying, I've never heard it before but Man is it true!

[l3randonf]

Ok I have a Toro Commercial with the 3 speed tranny. So when I pull the bar to engage the self propelled tranny... I should do it at low rpms? But how is this practical? I have to drop the tranny at EVERY turn so that that I can make my sharp turn without the mower running away from me. Am I just misreading the original post or not understanding something?

[flyingdutch16]

I think its just for zero turns and walkbehinds not 100% sure tho
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[darryl gesner]

I believe Eric was referring to engaging/disengaging blades on a mower in his original post, not the transmission.

[Tankers]

So more updates and lessons learned:

1. Rain causes delays and customers don't understand that at all.
2. Stay-at-home moms are the worst in every way.
3. Tattoos scare old people.
4. 10% of your customers are 90% of the problem.
5. If you land 100% of your bids and estimates then you are low balling yourself.
6. A phone call does go a long ways.
7. Just looking like you know what you are doing is half the battle.
8. Never complain in front of the customer, even if it's a long time friend.
9. Before, during and after - prepare, prepare, prepare.
10. Calm down, it's really not that bad.
11. Only bid jobs when you're hot and tired.
12. Everything is harder than it looks.
13. Slow is smooth, smooth is fast.
14. Bi-weekly accounts cannot expect to look as good as weekly, pay up or shut it.
15. SuTech really, really, really does suck.
16. Don't let them pre-pay, it's no fun owing work.
17. No matter your outfit's size - growl at the competition.
18. Small yards are actually difficult.
19. Treat all lawn ornaments as if they are made of out porcelain.
20. Tomorrow you'll land that dream account (then you can ditch a difficult one).

[jonthepain]

^great stuff ^

[GTOlawn]

After every mow I always blow my mower off, when other people see that you keep your equipment clean then they know you'll do a good job and will treat their lawn with the same respect

6x12 trailer
54'' hustler super z
shindaiwa weedeater
echo power head edger,trimmer,powerpruner
husqvarna backpack blower

[CorleyLawnService]

I have been in the business for three years now and recently started my own. What are some good ways to find clients? I started a facebook page and website. I have passed out a ton of cards with little luck. I need to get the word out. Thanks for your help

[johnyredd99]

Holy crapola!

Thank God for good safety chains... I pulled out of my driveway and my trailer hitch had come loose.
Dented my bumper but could have been WAY worse!
Scared the poop out of me, I ALWAYS check it now.
Keep mowin' and growin' :weightlifter:

Jim

let me just knock on wood but I dont understand how a hitch comes loose... maybe at these times you should second guess self employment, work for the other guy and learn, learn, learn. on his dime.

do carry multiply shirts in truck. nothing better then being able to take off nasty shirt at end of job, putting on a fresh one, and off to the next job. just hope wife likes doing laundry

[johnyredd99]

Its actually kinda funny now. Honest, I had just got gas at Wal-Mart, and 3 people stopped to talk to me about the mower. Asking me all kinda questions about it. I sat in the truck on the side of the road for a while before I got out. I was scared to see what happened to the mower. It ripped my bagger to shreds, but not one piece came off the mower. Me and another guy that stopped to help, flipped the mower over and I cranked it up and drove it back on the trailer. The deck was bent a little, hydros were off a bit, e-brake bent, and the front fork was toast. I called the factory to get the front piece, and they asked me to drive it up, and they actually fixed it, new deck even! I have actually become a dealer now for them, pretty much because of my experience with the factory and the price points.

not sure if pics will show up in quote but page 32 i believe... this is what kills families minding thier own business in minivans and why laws require straps

[firefighter38310]

The Heat and working
I am 60 years old last month and have been a firefighter for 22 years and landscaping for 10 years I have built up a decent business. Two weeks ago heat index was greater than 108 which is normal this time of year in N.MS and SW Tn. I thought I was acclimated to heat and humidity. I fell asleep on mower and woke up. Figured I was sleepy. Got some cool water and also being a former member of a spec-ops group in military. I wasn't ringing no darn bell. Got back on.mower and began to having short bursts of dozing off and woke up several times wondering where I was at untill I saw the customers home. I finished job and loaded up went home and wife freaked. I must have looked like hell ( I ain't good looking to start with) but she took me to ER. They put me 2 iv.s in and now I can't even play 9 holes of golf without becoming exhausted. I am not supposed to be working outside from 10am-4pm which makes long days. The moral of this story is simple. Heat is dangerous even for us in our occupation. It shouldn't be treated lightly. If you or an employee feels different than normal. Stop and get rest. It may be 6 weeks before I am completly recovered from heat exhaustio/heat stroke. The heat is a real deal....please respect it.
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[StanWilhite]

This is some very good advice! Courtesy and politeness are two things that will take you a long way....not only in this business, but in "life" in general. It always amazes me how many people don't know this...or don't care.

I just finished reading through all 35 pages. I practice a lot of these tips and learned even more good practices. I didn't think I would be able to add anything, but here are a couple more things that I do.

It is very easy to "zone out" while trimming. Try to scan ahead of where you are going periodically (even back where you came from) to make sure there are not people walking towards you while you are kicking up grass and debris. People appreciate this. This is mostly for when you are trimming sidewalks.

While I am blowing I try to get the sidewalks first but if for some reason I start somewhere else (the street or driveway) if I see people walking towards the house I am at I will jump to the sidewalk and blow it off before they get there (when possible...I don't take off in a sprint around the house to get to them). People seem to appreciate that. It may be small, but if they are thinking about hiring someone, they will remember friendly gestures like that....you were going to blow the sidewalk anyway.

Always wave and say hi to neighbors.

If a neighbor asks if you can help them out one time while they are on vacation, do it like it is your prized yard. I just got a new full time customer this way last month.

[Federal Lawn Company]

Amen, I agree with all of the safety stuff.

Something I like to do is keep a couple of wound trimmer head spools in my toolbox. That way if I run out of string mid property I can be back to trimming in just a few moments and I don't have to stand in the heat and try to wind all that string.

Also, I made a little sign to go on all my mowers that says "DON'T DO ANYTHING STUPID." It may sound silly but when you see it six or seven hours a day it does kind of sink in.

Buy some speed-feed heads from expressmowerparts and it only takes 30 seconds to load 3 full armlengths of string...you don't even have to shut down the trimmer. Carry an extra coil of string in your cargo pants pocket so you don't have to walk back to the truck if you run out mid stream. Best investment you'll ever make...speed feed heads. Trust me on that one.
-David

[Federal Lawn Company]

Many times you find people who just want a "cheap" price for a "mow, blow and go" job. When I come across one of these I explain to them that the minimum I do is to mow, edge, weedeater and blow the walks. My reasoning is because when I pull away from their house, what the neighbors see that I did is going to be the impression they all have of the quality of work I do. If the job doesn't give the house curb appeal, then the neighbors and others driving by will not think much of my work. The explanation usually works and I get a higher price for my "basic cut". If they don't embrace the explanation and give me the job, I ask them to find someone else because it is my reputation that is at stake when I pull my trailer away from their house.

Well said. I won't take a job that the customer wants done in a half-a**ed manner. Top notch EVERY time.
-David

[zspeed130]

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Originally Posted by GrassGator View Post
Many times you find people who just want a "cheap" price for a "mow, blow and go" job. When I come across one of these I explain to them that the minimum I do is to mow, edge, weedeater and blow the walks. My reasoning is because when I pull away from their house, what the neighbors see that I did is going to be the impression they all have of the quality of work I do. If the job doesn't give the house curb appeal, then the neighbors and others driving by will not think much of my work. The explanation usually works and I get a higher price for my "basic cut". If they don't embrace the explanation and give me the job, I ask them to find someone else because it is my reputation that is at stake when I pull my trailer away from their house.
Well said. I won't take a job that the customer wants done in a half-a**ed manner. Top notch EVERY time.
-David
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A friend that got me started gave me the same advise along with charging the right but fair amount so I WANT the job. Things have went well and I have never looked back.

Few more things,

Hand saw, foldout type like a gerber (it has saved me trouble AND made me money). I cut a 6" 12ft pine down for a contractor buddy last year and made $100 in 10min because he wanted it down RIGHT THEN!

SPARE TIRES AND FIX A FLAT! PLUG KIT!!AIR TANK!!!

Pack your lunch, snacks and water. This is a hard one for me because I love fast food/junk snacks. You will feel better and be $50-$60 richer each week!

Great site guys!

Z

[pineymountain]

I'll put in even though I'm new. My neighbor had a service and without fail they always parked in front of my yard and 50% of the time blocked part of my drive. Never in a million years would I ever call them for a quote.

[Totally Clips]

A can of mosquito spray THIS season!!! This mild winter we've had.....the skeeters are gonna be baaaad! Keep a can of chew, snuff, or dip... (whatever anybody calls it) for them bee stings. Takes the sting away REAL quick.