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AWJ Services
03-19-2006, 10:37 AM
First off I would love too take this time and thank everyone here at Lawnsite for tolerating all my questions about skid steers over the past year.

I will be demoing a TL 140 next week weather permitting.
I really am leaning toward a tracked machine and one that is more suited for digging.

I have limited experience with skid steers so my thinking is get a joystick machine as I feel that is the future of controls in skid steers.
That why I will learn on them rather than the Bobcat style controls.The machine is 45 k with AC.

I do feel that most Skid steers today are very comparable in quality and durability.
All have there strong points and weak points.
The price is a definite plus and also Takeuchi is based in Atlanta.

Once again I thank everyone for the past advice and also for advice on this post.

What would you guys recommend me do while I have the machine too really put it through it's paces?

ksss
03-19-2006, 10:05 PM
If you want to be faily exacting I would write a list of the type of jobs you do and within that what you need your loader to do. This will help you to priorize what you need in a loader. If you run attachments be sure to use your demo to run attachments. Visibility is important to everyone. I would set up several cones and practice simulating moving the machines around the cones as well as cutting grade aound the cones. Do this both at full rpm and half throttle. If you load trucks I do that as well. I like to have some one with you that can set cones around the machine at different intervals. Sitting in the machine see how many cones you can see. Do this with the loader arms in different positions. This will help identify the number blind spots. Especially with the TK 140 keep it long enough to used to the "feel" of the controls. They are very light and may be different than what you are used to. The TK 140 is a nice machine but it is big. TK quality is excellent.

AWJ Services
03-20-2006, 06:48 AM
Thanks KSSS.

Good things too try that as a rookie I would never have thought of.
I have always used tractors so visibility is an after thought.

I was dead set on the Tl 130 machine ,but having a machine with similar abilities as my tractor with a loader got me too thinking that I needed a machine that could move material unhindered.

Brush cleanup ,grading and moving dirt are my main needs as of know.
But when purchased I will hope it adds additional services as needed.

JDSKIDSTEER
03-20-2006, 06:32 PM
First off I would love too take this time and thank everyone here at Lawnsite for tolerating all my questions about skid steers over the past year.

I will be demoing a TL 140 next week weather permitting.
I really am leaning toward a tracked machine and one that is more suited for digging.

I have limited experience with skid steers so my thinking is get a joystick machine as I feel that is the future of controls in skid steers.
That why I will learn on them rather than the Bobcat style controls.The machine is 45 k with AC.

I do feel that most Skid steers today are very comparable in quality and durability.
All have there strong points and weak points.
The price is a definite plus and also Takeuchi is based in Atlanta.

Once again I thank everyone for the past advice and also for advice on this post.

What would you guys recommend me do while I have the machine too really put it through it's paces?

Call Metrax in Atlanta or Adairsville and try the Deere CT322 while you are shopping. I have successfully sold against TL140 with it and it is comparable with TL130 in size and price. If you need a phone number I will hook you up with one of their sales specialist. It does not hurt to demo.

AWJ Services
03-20-2006, 07:35 PM
Call Metrax in Atlanta or Adairsville and try the Deere CT322 while you are shopping. I have successfully sold against TL140 with it and it is comparable with TL130 in size and price. If you need a phone number I will hook you up with one of their sales specialist. It does not hurt to demo.


Thanks.

Cell 404-557-7819

I at one time was very" brand oriented " but have since grown out of it.:)
I really need it too safley lift 3500 pounds.The TL-130 will do it but very tipsy.
The TL-140 is much more stable.

Tigerotor77W
03-21-2006, 11:46 AM
JDSKIDSTEER, I'd like to talk to you more about the Deere product... I'll shoot you a PM once you get up to 25 posts and 30 days (which is when your PM feature is activiated).

thepawnshop
03-21-2006, 12:58 PM
Xing,

I mean no disrespect when I ask this question, but have you had an opportunity to play on any of these machines yet? I know that absolutely NO ONE knows the statistics of these toys more than you, but actual use trumps the inflated numbers/claims that all the manufacturers make. I conceed that my favorite company, Deere, can stretch the truth a bit....Take the 50D for example. They have the EXACT SAME ENGINE that the Gehl 503Z uses....but they claim that their version has a couple more horsepower....simply by changing the RPM level at which it is rated.

I will say this, once you start playing in the dirt, it can be become one hell of an expensive addiction!

JDSKIDSTEER
03-21-2006, 01:14 PM
JDSKIDSTEER, I'd like to talk to you more about the Deere product... I'll shoot you a PM once you get up to 25 posts and 30 days (which is when your PM feature is activiated).
No problem. I have no hobbies. This is my life.

JDSKIDSTEER
03-21-2006, 01:18 PM
Xing,

I mean no disrespect when I ask this question, but have you had an opportunity to play on any of these machines yet? I know that absolutely NO ONE knows the statistics of these toys more than you, but actual use trumps the inflated numbers/claims that all the manufacturers make. I conceed that my favorite company, Deere, can stretch the truth a bit....Take the 50D for example. They have the EXACT SAME ENGINE that the Gehl 503Z uses....but they claim that their version has a couple more horsepower....simply by changing the RPM level at which it is rated.

I will say this, once you start playing in the dirt, it can be become one hell of an expensive addiction!

I agree. Need to put machines in dirt and see what they will do. Horse Power means nothing if you do not have traction or hydraulics or many other factors depending on what you are going to do with the machine. I probably talk as many out of a track loader as I sell track loaders simply because a track loader is not always what a man needs.

Tigerotor77W
03-21-2006, 02:32 PM
Xing,

I mean no disrespect when I ask this question, but have you had an opportunity to play on any of these machines yet? I know that absolutely NO ONE knows the statistics of these toys more than you, but actual use trumps the inflated numbers/claims that all the manufacturers make. I conceed that my favorite company, Deere, can stretch the truth a bit....Take the 50D for example. They have the EXACT SAME ENGINE that the Gehl 503Z uses....but they claim that their version has a couple more horsepower....simply by changing the RPM level at which it is rated.

I will say this, once you start playing in the dirt, it can be become one hell of an expensive addiction!

No offense taken. :) (This is going to get long, so fair warning...) I've played with Cats (246B, 257B, 236) and Case (90XT, first generation, about half an hour; 60XT, about 45 minutes) only. I've driven an S220 in a parking lot but wasn't able to dig with it.

That being said, it's remarkable that the three dealerships (Altorfer Cat of Urbana and Peoria, Atlas Bobcat of Wauconda, and Birkey's Equipment of Urbana) did allow me to go in the dirt for a bit, given that I'm not in the same boat as you guys (namely, ready to plunk down more than enough to cover the fuel and cleaning costs associated with some time in the first)! They certainly deserve my graditude. It's unfortunate that I'll probably end up with Cat; I won't be able to "repay" the Case or Bobcat dealerships with all that they've done for me -- particularly not the Bobcat one.

As far as that goes, I'll be on an internship this summer at Cat's BCPD... JDSKIDSTEER, if you feel that this changes anything, I can understand that. I'm well-aware of conflict of interest stipulations and won't enter into any agreements that will harm your reputation, and I also won't release information -- if any happens to come my way -- that will harm Cat's competitive situation. Anyhow, during the internship, I'll try to get some seat time against Case, Bobcat, and Deere (and Takeuchi and ASV if my curiosity really wants to get doused and shut up), but I'm not sure if that will happen. As far as seat time goes, I know its addictions well... I'm tempted to ask to demo-operate every machine I see on a jobsite. :hammerhead: Getting in the dirt to feel the machine first-hand is also a great way to appreciate the differences between machines... I am asking myself how I can get that aspect going. Summers are pretty much shot; school year doesn't work well with studying and working at the same time; most companies don't hire extra hands (here in IL, anyhow) during the winter (and I could only work four weeks besides, a large turn-off, I've found, for companies that would hire temp workers for extra plowing manpower).

Any other questions feel free to ask... I've been quite vague here.

(And those of you wondering why I'm here more often now, it's my spring break. Doesn't feel like spring in Chicago, but ah, well. Bobcat rodeo tomorrow!)

JDSKIDSTEER
03-21-2006, 03:46 PM
No offense taken. :) (This is going to get long, so fair warning...) I've played with Cats (246B, 257B, 236) and Case (90XT, first generation, about half an hour; 60XT, about 45 minutes) only. I've driven an S220 in a parking lot but wasn't able to dig with it.

That being said, it's remarkable that the three dealerships (Altorfer Cat of Urbana and Peoria, Atlas Bobcat of Wauconda, and Birkey's Equipment of Urbana) did allow me to go in the dirt for a bit, given that I'm not in the same boat as you guys (namely, ready to plunk down more than enough to cover the fuel and cleaning costs associated with some time in the first)! They certainly deserve my graditude. It's unfortunate that I'll probably end up with Cat; I won't be able to "repay" the Case or Bobcat dealerships with all that they've done for me -- particularly not the Bobcat one.

As far as that goes, I'll be on an internship this summer at Cat's BCPD... JDSKIDSTEER, if you feel that this changes anything, I can understand that. I'm well-aware of conflict of interest stipulations and won't enter into any agreements that will harm your reputation, and I also won't release information -- if any happens to come my way -- that will harm Cat's competitive situation. Anyhow, during the internship, I'll try to get some seat time against Case, Bobcat, and Deere (and Takeuchi and ASV if my curiosity really wants to get doused and shut up), but I'm not sure if that will happen. As far as seat time goes, I know its addictions well... I'm tempted to ask to demo-operate every machine I see on a jobsite. :hammerhead: Getting in the dirt to feel the machine first-hand is also a great way to appreciate the differences between machines... I am asking myself how I can get that aspect going. Summers are pretty much shot; school year doesn't work well with studying and working at the same time; most companies don't hire extra hands (here in IL, anyhow) during the winter (and I could only work four weeks besides, a large turn-off, I've found, for companies that would hire temp workers for extra plowing manpower).

Any other questions feel free to ask... I've been quite vague here.

(And those of you wondering why I'm here more often now, it's my spring break. Doesn't feel like spring in Chicago, but ah, well. Bobcat rodeo tomorrow!)

No problem, maybe we can learn from each other. I would love to know opinion on our strong and weak points. Learning these things makes me a better salesman.

janb
03-22-2006, 01:15 AM
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I will be demoing a TL 140 next week weather permitting.
I really am leaning toward a tracked machine and one that is more suited for digging.

>>__I have limited experience with skid steers so my thinking is get a joystick machine as I feel that is the future of controls in skid steers.__<<
...
I do feel that most Skid steers today are very comparable in quality and durability.
All have there strong points and weak points.
The price is a definite plus and also Takeuchi is based in Atlanta.
...
What would you guys recommend me do while I have the machine too really put it through it's paces?

be sure to read up on the recent threads, "No more threads from me about what skid steer/CTL to get" and "big boy shopping..."

remember to 'buy-up' when reasonable, and if you get into High Flow attachments (like Fecon Bull-Hog and Loftness timber-Ax) you will not be pleased with the Takeuchi (they use single primary pump for HF, and that leaves little power for moving machine around)

I would find a friend with skid experience (or someone from the forum) to help demo. You will likely be easily impressed if your experience is coming from a tractor. Take plenty of time and don't be forced into a quick decision

My replacement machine will probably be an ASV or CAT due to undercarriage, Horse power and Hyd flow (I hope I can find another one with less than 500 hrs and For sale by a homeowner (EZ use) for 1/2 price:clapping: )

AWJ Services
03-22-2006, 07:17 AM
remember to 'buy-up' when reasonable, and if you get into High Flow attachments (like Fecon Bull-Hog and Loftness timber-Ax) you will not be pleased with the Takeuchi (they use single primary pump for HF, and that leaves little power for moving machine around)

I do understand that they are not available in High flow.
Also I have read about every post on skid steers I can find here.:)


The JD Deere guy called and I will be arranging for a demo next week on there CT machine.It does have excellent lifting abilities for it's size.


I would find a friend with skid experience (or someone from the forum) to help demo.


I have a friend who will actually share in the demo duties that has alot of seat time with skid steers ,but he is a diehard Bobcat man so his opinion will be biased.LOL

For me the perfect machine would be the size of a TL130 with the weight of a TL150 the power and hyd flow of the ASV 100 the visibility and lifting power of a Deere , joystick controls , the gold package of the bobcat , and all this in a package as quiet as a Komatsu.:drinkup:

Thanks agin guys.

JDSKIDSTEER
03-22-2006, 08:48 AM
I do understand that they are not available in High flow.
Also I have read about every post on skid steers I can find here.:)


The JD Deere guy called and I will be arranging for a demo next week on there CT machine.It does have excellent lifting abilities for it's size.





I have a friend who will actually share in the demo duties that has alot of seat time with skid steers ,but he is a diehard Bobcat man so his opinion will be biased.LOL

For me the perfect machine would be the size of a TL130 with the weight of a TL150 the power and hyd flow of the ASV 100 the visibility and lifting power of a Deere , joystick controls , the gold package of the bobcat , and all this in a package as quiet as a Komatsu.:drinkup:

Thanks agin guys.

Make sure you put it to the test of pushing power. My customers have been extreemly impressed. If you can get competitors to bring machine out at same time will be helpful in your comparison. I have a customer who traded in t300's for 2 ct332's on a comparison like that and we blew them out of the water. He demo'd ct322 the other day and said it compared to his 6 Month old T300 he still has in his fleet. I let him use it while his T300 was in shop for second drive motor. He had 80" combo bucket off bobcat on it when he tried it. I can give you number a few phone numbers for refrences if you need.:waving: