Should Illeagls Be turned In

[Xterminator]

I have had two companies Hang door hangers with a price on my customers doors. Should I turn them in to the State or let it go.Its hard to let it go when they are pricing it twice as low as Im doing it for

[Az Gardener]

Who are you going to turn them in to? The bad news is no one will come get them. It just sucks and all you can do is sell your professionalism and don't operate in the low cost market, find another niche.

[Xterminator]

They do not have the cost of Insurance Licenses Bonds. Plus I had to Work for my spraying license. Two years for another company. They come in with weed & feed and urea and call it a spray program

[SodKing]

I would say Yes..

[Xterminator]

Im thinking that way too

[Az Gardener]

I was not kidding about no one coming to get them. You can call every agency you want and no one will come and pick up the illegal aliens working for the lowball company. Thats what sucks so much instead of picking them up, they build shaded pick up spots for them and local grocers donate free food and water for them. Somehow our good nature has gone askew.

[Xterminator]

Not aliens Illegal sprayers

[Xterminator]

No Charter #
No Lic. #
No Insurance

[Az Gardener]

I will still bet you can't get anyone to come out and pick them up. Try it, I would like to hear what happens. My benjamins are on zero, zip, zilch, nada, the big goose egg.

[Xterminator]

I was thinking more in the line of sending their fliers to the Dept of Ag. Offering the weed Control & Fert.,and see if they will do their Job

[jrc lawncare]

I was thinking more in the line of sending their fliers to the Dept of Ag. Offering the weed Control & Fert.,and see if they will do their Job I would do it they were in my area. Especially after you & I put in the time & training to get where we are.

[Xterminator]

I would do it they were in my area. Especially after you & I put in the time & training to get where we are.

I think I will. I have to fax them some info tomorrow I think Ill include the fliers too

[Trinity Lawn Care, LLC]

I was thinking more in the line of sending their fliers to the Dept of Ag. Offering the weed Control & Fert.,and see if they will do their Job


If you are going to do I would say that you should take pics and log where and when. The problem is that I believe that they can advertise Weed Control as long as it is worded properly. As long as they are not saying that they specifically are performing the service. They could be subbing it out to a lic. applicator which is legal. I also agree with AZ they will probably not do anything. Howver, it is worth the shot right?

[Splicer]

I do not know...is it a requirement of the laws of your state or federal law that your lic# MUST be on your flyers or advertisement? I honestly don't see how. Honestly if it is a license thing and you are licensed and they are not then by all means protect your livlihood. You have a family to support I'm sure and you can't allow this to continue...hell I would take it one step further...sick the local TV news 'watchdogs' or whatever you call them where you live, on the illegals. Bet you have no more trouble then.

HOWEVER, before you do 1 thing, you best damn sure be 110% certain that they are indeed illegal and not just using substandard process'. It is a pretty big deal calling someone out and you don't hold all the cards...

[Xterminator]

In TN you have to have a Charter # on your advertising. I see what you are saying though they could say they are Subing it out until they are caught

[ArizPestWeed]

In Az , they will invite you to come down and get a license , help you out .
That would be bad , cuzz they will then be competeing a gainst you in the phone book or where ever more often .

I would just tell them you are turning them in in the hopes they will scat .
Tell them they will be in big trouble with a big fine & lawyer cost for it.

[Xterminator]

I do not know...is it a requirement of the laws of your state or federal law that your lic# MUST be on your flyers or advertisement? I honestly don't see how. Honestly if it is a license thing and you are licensed and they are not then by all means protect your livlihood. You have a family to support I'm sure and you can't allow this to continue...hell I would take it one step further...sick the local TV news 'watchdogs' or whatever you call them where you live, on the illegals. Bet you have no more trouble then.

HOWEVER, before you do 1 thing, you best damn sure be 110% certain that they are indeed illegal and not just using substandard process'. It is a pretty big deal calling someone out and you don't hold all the cards...

Im sure I looked for them on the Dept. of Ags Web site

[Tscape]

I only read the title. The answer is: yes.

[mak2]

If they were in indiana spraying without a license the state would be all over that. BUt I agree with the second post. Who cares. The Democrats dont, the Reps dont, a few give it lip service but noone cares.

[olive123]

you are not allowed to advertise weed and feed or similar service UNLESS you are a certified operator. If you fax that to ag. dept. they WILL put a cease and desist order on their a$$.

[SodKing]

In all the states I am licensed in, if you file a formal report, they must investigate. I generally would call the head of the pesticide control dept for the state to see if the company was licensed and if not I would then file the complaint. I deal with a lot of different landcape companies and the all know my stance and they all use me for their apps. I have offered our services to other landscapers who prefer to risk it and to them I say good luck, don't let me catch you...

[grnbld]

In what way are they illegal? Most companies just hit neighborhoods they have not a clue whos who. Plus if your doing a good job and you have a relationship w/ your cutomers there not going to leave you.

[SpreadNSpray]

:nono: In what way are they illegal? Most companies just hit neighborhoods they have not a clue whos who. Plus if your doing a good job and you have a relationship w/ your cutomers there not going to leave you.:nono:
No way. Turn em in. Just like you said. Fax it all to the Dept. of Ag.

[SodKing]

In what way are they illegal? Most companies just hit neighborhoods they have not a clue whos who. Plus if your doing a good job and you have a relationship w/ your cutomers there not going to leave you.


I believe he means they have no pesticide license

[grasswhacker]

Illegals should be turned in whether they are applying apps, mowing, waiting tables, picking produce etc., etc. There is no circumstance where illegals should be in this country, I don't care how much you enablers of this practice whine about it, it is wrong and illegal immigration is a blight and a burden on legal americans.
This subject will weigh heavy in the next two elections and our votes will be for those who take action against allowing this to continue.

[DUSTYCEDAR]

turn them in we have to pay to be legal so should they
any guy that is legal and ask for help i give them a hand but not the scabs

[Xterminator]

Not Illegal aliens
Illegal Applicators

[grasswhacker]

Not Illegal aliens
Illegal Applicators

Maybe you should have said UNLICENCED APPLICATORS!!!!!!!!

[The landscaper]

As nice as it sounds to turn people in and get them out of your way. Almost everybody on here starting like that one day. It would be pretty hard to do it to someone, just think if they did it to you when you were starting. Maybe give them advice on the legal side so they raise there prices. Just a thought.

[grasswhacker]

"Should Illeagls Be turned In"

An Yes all Ill-eagls should be turned into to the humane society. :laugh:

[SodKing]

As nice as it sounds to turn people in and get them out of your way. Almost everybody on here starting like that one day. It would be pretty hard to do it to someone, just think if they did it to you when you were starting. Maybe give them advice on the legal side so they raise there prices. Just a thought.

I never started out performing apps I was unlicensed for. I went to college, did my required internship under a licensed supervisor, took the test, incorporated, bought the insurance, then performed legal applications. I am sorry but if joe unlicensed feels he can start spraying without all that, he is wrong. He deserves to get turned in.

[The landscaper]

I understand that....yes average joe shouldn't just start spraying. I was talking more about doing maintenance and such. Sorry.

[Xterminator]

Amen. I still did not get to Fax them the info today but ii still plan to do so

[SpreadNSpray]

As nice as it sounds to turn people in and get them out of your way. Almost everybody on here starting like that one day. It would be pretty hard to do it to someone, just think if they did it to you when you were starting. Maybe give them advice on the legal side so they raise there prices. Just a thought.
"
I understand that....yes average joe shouldn't just start spraying. I was talking more about doing maintenance and such. Sorry."


Nope, sorry I started with a license also. Your reasoning is b.s. I can't stand this mentality. This is business. I'm not here to help anyone who is negatively impacting our industry.

[dougmartin2003]

when the average home owner can go to wal mart and buy round up and use it without even reading to label then why should the average lawn guy get turned in for using the same stuff. doesnt make any cense to me. i am in the process of getting certified to be leagal, but come on guys most of the **** is stuff the homeowner can buy and use. if the average joe has to be certified then i think anyone who uses it should be certified, case closed

[The landscaper]

Nope, sorry I started with a license also. Your reasoning is b.s. I can't stand this mentality. This is business. I'm not here to help anyone who is negatively impacting our industry.


Again, I was talking more of mowing and scaping, not spraying. If you do maintenance, did you have all your licenses and permits and insurance day one? I agree, this sucks, its what drives the prices down for the industry.

[SpreadNSpray]

Because, this is business. A home owner can go to home depot and buy all sorts of things like plumbing, electrical, lumber and try to fix or build their own home. But you still need a license to do business on someone else's home.
If you have license you must also have insurance and be registered with a federal and state tax ID #. This stops a lot of fly by nighters from operating under the radar. Once every one is on the same playing field prices somehow seem to stay competitive. Funny how that works.

[SpreadNSpray]

Again, I was talking more of mowing and scaping, not spraying. If you do maintenance, did you have all your licenses and permits and insurance day one? I agree, this sucks, its what drives the prices down for the industry.

Yes.
And by the way you are in the application forum. And your first post did not mention maintenance. I don't' think you need a license in most states for maintenance.

[The landscaper]

Sorry to confuse ya, I just went to new posts and was reading through. Never really know what topic I'm in. In some cities, for maintenance, you have to have a license, permit, insurance, bonding. Not all though.

[Xterminator]

Because, this is business. A home owner can go to home depot and buy all sorts of things like plumbing, electrical, lumber and try to fix or build their own home. But you still need a license to do business on someone else's home.
If you have license you must also have insurance and be registered with a federal and state tax ID #. This stops a lot of fly by nighters from operating under the radar. Once every one is on the same playing field prices somehow seem to stay competitive. Funny how that works.

Exactly what I mean. I will be going up to the board meeting in Nashville I think in May I may give it to the directly

[Microbe]

Send it to the police... DEC.... who ever........ these people must be stopped some how...... they ruin the market for all!:usflag: :usflag:

[M RASCOE&SONS]

what are we gaining by turning this guy in ,do you think you will get respect from the locals or maybe get the customers he lost.man its sad in this day in age we are still acting like the kiddies in school when we want something someone else has.before you go and turn this guy in make sure you have all the facts because you dont want to look like a fool when you find out he had everything in line to do what he was doing or he was subbing out etc..when i see competition it drives me too work harder wheather it be the highschool kid in his dads pickup and walkbehind (hes not paying taxs and no insurance)or the big outfits with 10 crews and 700 lawns ,just push on and let your name shine for the work you do not because you ratted someone out ..worry about number one ,thats you !!good luck with the 06 and dont sweat the small stuff

[Xterminator]

what are we gaining by turning this guy in ,do you think you will get respect from the locals or maybe get the customers he lost.man its sad in this day in age we are still acting like the kiddies in school when we want something someone else has.before you go and turn this guy in make sure you have all the facts because you dont want to look like a fool when you find out he had everything in line to do what he was doing or he was subbing out etc..when i see competition it drives me too work harder wheather it be the highschool kid in his dads pickup and walkbehind (hes not paying taxs and no insurance)or the big outfits with 10 crews and 700 lawns ,just push on and let your name shine for the work you do not because you ratted someone out ..worry about number one ,thats you !!good luck with the 06 and dont sweat the small stuff

I pride myself in what I do so when I Spend a Year getting a Yard in shape and some Pr@#K cuts my price in half its not Cool

[jrc lawncare]

I pride myself in what I do so when I Spend a Year getting a Yard in shape and some Pr@#K cuts my price in half its not CoolDitto on that.

[M RASCOE&SONS]

I pride myself in what I do so when I Spend a Year getting a Yard in shape and some Pr@#K cuts my price in half its not Cooldont let the pride get in the way and get out there and educate these customers about what you offer over the competition,sell yourself because if its price and price alone they want you dont need them.i have lost plenty of work over price and never once thought i was gonna get the other guy ,it just pushes me harder and it works.this talk about this guy and that guy and im gonna turn him in for this ,it all comes down too price and he was cheaper so the people you had were only concerned with price so tomarrow get out there and snagg some of his work or just sell yourself so price isnt the issue.im a pretty scary lookin fella when im mad and i have wanted to do far worse than turn someone in but i dont and turn that energy too fuel my drive,now i know how your feelin so what im tryin to say is let this stuff drive you into selling the service the product but never the price because once the so called customers become shoppers of price your done.:weightlifter: :usflag: :drinkup:

[Xterminator]

dont let the pride get in the way and get out there and educate these customers about what you offer over the competition,sell yourself because if its price and price alone they want you dont need them.i have lost plenty of work over price and never once thought i was gonna get the other guy ,it just pushes me harder and it works.this talk about this guy and that guy and im gonna turn him in for this ,it all comes down too price and he was cheaper so the people you had were only concerned with price so tomarrow get out there and snagg some of his work or just sell yourself so price isnt the issue.im a pretty scary lookin fella when im mad and i have wanted to do far worse than turn someone in but i dont and turn that energy too fuel my drive,now i know how your feelin so what im tryin to say is let this stuff drive you into selling the service the product but never the price because once the so called customers become shoppers of price your done.:weightlifter: :usflag: :drinkup:

Service does not have anything to do with it

Say for example joe jackleg (no insurance & license) give them a cheaper price and kill all their plants then suddenly disappears. They have your old contract where you were performing Chem Apps on their Property, and a row of dead shrubs then you have to spend money on attorney Fees

[M RASCOE&SONS]

Service does not have anything to do with it

Say for example joe jackleg (no insurance & license) give them a cheaper price and kill all their plants then suddenly disappears. They have your old contract where you were performing Chem Apps on their Property, and a row of dead shrubs then you have to spend money on attorney Fees
well if you want too "Rat" someone out go ahead but dont be surprised if that guy dont pay you a visit too express his appreciation ..:cry: and for the service it has everything to do with it.i come from the land of the free and i would never "RAT" someone out.once you have the "RAT" PERSONA hangin over you not even your friends will trust ya because in the back of there minds there gonna remember you "Ratted" someone out .ONE LAST ATTEMP TO HELP YOU ,LET IT FUEL YOU TO MAKE THE SERVICE AND QUALITY OF "YOUR" WORK THE ONLY CONCERN TO YOUR CUSTOMERS NOT THE PRICE BECAUSE YOUR ALWAYS GONNA LOOSE SOME PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY ARE "ONLY" CONCERNED WITH PRICE AND YOU DONT NEED THOSE ONES.GOOD LUCK WITH SELLING YOUR SERVICE THIS YR:usflag:

[Xterminator]

well if you want too "Rat" someone out go ahead but dont be surprised if that guy dont pay you a visit too express his appreciation ..:cry: and for the service it has everything to do with it.i come from the land of the free and i would never "RAT" someone out.once you have the "RAT" PERSONA hangin over you not even your friends will trust ya because in the back of there minds there gonna remember you "Ratted" someone out .ONE LAST ATTEMP TO HELP YOU ,LET IT FUEL YOU TO MAKE THE SERVICE AND QUALITY OF "YOUR" WORK THE ONLY CONCERN TO YOUR CUSTOMERS NOT THE PRICE BECAUSE YOUR ALWAYS GONNA LOOSE SOME PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY ARE "ONLY" CONCERNED WITH PRICE AND YOU DONT NEED THOSE ONES.GOOD LUCK WITH SELLING YOUR SERVICE THIS YR:usflag:

When and if I do, and he wants to look me up and show me his appreciation he will be in for a rude awakening I carry a pistol where ever I go. Not that I would shoot him for EXPRESSING HIS APPRECIATION call it what you want but it sounds like you are not licensed or insured or were busted for it before

[M RASCOE&SONS]

When and if I do, and he wants to look me up and show me his appreciation he will be in for a rude awakening I carry a pistol where ever I go. Not that I would shoot him for EXPRESSING HIS APPRECIATION call it what you want but it sounds like you are not licensed or insured or were busted for it beforei am licensed ,and insured and i have a good reputation for the service i provide,if you asked my customers they might say my prices are high but in the same breath they will tell you my service is awesome and thats what i want .:usflag: i carry a pistol:dizzy: im gonna shoot that guy because he has more lawns:dizzy: sell your service and your quality and stop cryin about the "other guy":drinkup:

[SodKing]

well if you want too "Rat" someone out go ahead but dont be surprised if that guy dont pay you a visit too express his appreciation ..:cry: and for the service it has everything to do with it.i come from the land of the free and i would never "RAT" someone out.once you have the "RAT" PERSONA hangin over you not even your friends will trust ya because in the back of there minds there gonna remember you "Ratted" someone out .ONE LAST ATTEMP TO HELP YOU ,LET IT FUEL YOU TO MAKE THE SERVICE AND QUALITY OF "YOUR" WORK THE ONLY CONCERN TO YOUR CUSTOMERS NOT THE PRICE BECAUSE YOUR ALWAYS GONNA LOOSE SOME PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY ARE "ONLY" CONCERNED WITH PRICE AND YOU DONT NEED THOSE ONES.GOOD LUCK WITH SELLING YOUR SERVICE THIS YR:usflag:

What did you just get out of the "can"? its not "ratting out" its "protecting the environment" or "protecting the industry". I can't go advertise plumbing or electrical work as I am not licensed and sure as helll a plumber, or their union, is going to ask their state board if I am a licensed plumber. IMO same with the pesticide license, there should be no differentiation between these facets of skilled labor.

[M RASCOE&SONS]

What did you just get out of the "can"? its not "ratting out" its "protecting the environment" or "protecting the industry". I can't go advertise plumbing or electrical work as I am not licensed and sure as helll a plumber, or their union, is going to ask their state board if I am a licensed plumber. IMO same with the pesticide license, there should be no differentiation between these facets of skilled labor.the story is the other guy came in and cut the price in half so automaticaly exterminator is gonna be p1$$ed.everybody these days wants to cry foul and turn people in for anything and not sit back and see why did the customer leave,if it was just price the service must have been sub par.if your gonna tell me its because he wants to protect the environment your nutz,he is gonna turn the guy in because he took his customers ..i say get the facts and make sure the guys is doing something wrong drop him some info and advise him that
if the state catches him in between donuts he will be fined.never rat someone out ...:drinkup:

[Xterminator]

You idiot I said if he came to show me his appreciation Id shoot his ass not cause he stole my yard. I didn't loose the yard. They put a door hanger on a couple of customers doors. Like I said before you must have been caught or came close

[Crewcutlawncare]

Will they let you take the CORE and Category exam at the age of 16? I am reading all of the testing materials and getting ready for everything. I am trying really hard to know everything and pass the tests.

[M RASCOE&SONS]

You idiot I said if he came to show me his appreciation Id shoot his ass not cause he stole my yard. I didn't loose the yard. They put a door hanger on a couple of customers doors. Like I said before you must have been caught or came close:cry: im a red blooded american man and i just dont like winie little rats:weightlifter: just this morning im heading out to this guys house to give him a estimate for some work and wham i turn into his street and what do i see but 2 older trucks and a couple of guys at this house doing the work,i say to myself WTF im 2 hrs early and these guys are almost done..its a culdesac so i call the guy on the phone all nice and said pete im outside your house to give you that estimate and so and so is almost all done ,he says matt i am real sorry but i wasnt sure with your workload that you could fit me in , i say pete no big deal that if he needed anything in the future to give me a call.pete was referred to me by one of my customers so i couldnt make a big deal and have it get around town that im an a$$.if i was pre qualifying the guy doing the work by looks alone ,i would think that he was fly by nite and didnt have any insurance etc,do i want to stick it up his a$$,no i dont im not gonna waste my time ...just makes me hungrier and want it more. GOODLUCK IN 06 :drinkup:

[indyturf]

Will they let you take the CORE and Category exam at the age of 16? I am reading all of the testing materials and getting ready for everything. I am trying really hard to know everything and pass the tests.
In Indiana you have to be 18ys old, probably the same in every state. but keep studying and reading everything you can and in a couple years you will be ready to go! you should practice on your parents lawn, get it looking better than any other lawn in the neighborhood and you will have customers waiting for you!

[SpreadNSpray]

Just for the record as Sod King posted earlier. It's not "ratting someone out":laugh: This is business not prison or the mob. I do send info to the Dept. of Agriculture and the I.R.S. with lawn care operations not listed with a license. (nothing personal) If they are operating legally they will not have any problems. I don't care what anyone thinks. I won't stand by and watch. You would be stupid not to turn in the people putting the green industry at risk.

[Crewcutlawncare]

Take a look at this link... it say's here in Pennsylvania you can apply these chemicals when you are 16 years of age on other people's lawns.

I also cannot wait to get my pesticide license, because I want to do it so badly and I am getting pis*ed off at the other people who think that they can just do it whenever. I mean I am studying the book and everything, but I mean why can't I put them down as long as I have my MSDS Sheets, a fire extinguisher, and a bag of cat litter with a shovel. I know how to apply them safely and everything else. The only problem is taking the tests.

Is there anyone who could check into this situation a little more for me? As far as how old you really have to be to take the CORE and Category tests?

http://abe.sdstate.edu/hosta/index_files/Task%20Sheets/3.5%20Agricultural%20Pesticides.pdf

[Xterminator]

:cry: im a red blooded american man and i just dont like winie little rats:weightlifter: just this morning im heading out to this guys house to give him a estimate for some work and wham i turn into his street and what do i see but 2 older trucks and a couple of guys at this house doing the work,i say to myself WTF im 2 hrs early and these guys are almost done..its a culdesac so i call the guy on the phone all nice and said pete im outside your house to give you that estimate and so and so is almost all done ,he says matt i am real sorry but i wasnt sure with your workload that you could fit me in , i say pete no big deal that if he needed anything in the future to give me a call.pete was referred to me by one of my customers so i couldnt make a big deal and have it get around town that im an a$$.if i was pre qualifying the guy doing the work by looks alone ,i would think that he was fly by nite and didnt have any insurance etc,do i want to stick it up his a$$,no i dont im not gonna waste my time ...just makes me hungrier and want it more. GOODLUCK IN 06 :drinkup:

You keep avoiding the post this has to do with not having a license to apply Pesticides leagly.

Now your whinning about someone beating you to an estimate or job you didnt have.

I also havent got a reply on if you where caught applying without a license?

[Xterminator]

Will they let you take the CORE and Category exam at the age of 16? I am reading all of the testing materials and getting ready for everything. I am trying really hard to know everything and pass the tests.

In Tennessee You have to be 18

[Microbe]

M rascoand whatever, when you loose 10 "GOOD," customers because some illegal allien from Mexico, who can CARE LESS ABOUT THE US, and IS RAPING THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA FOR ALL SHE iS WORTH THEN PISSING ON HER, you Mr. Rasco will loose that extra $10,000 for the year. Hey if you don't care about $10,000 cause thats what I get minimum per customer for the year, then my friend I guess you don't mind loosing hard earned profit. I mean at least $1000 per customer..

There's also a sense of trust and dedication lost when a long time customer FIRES YOU for some NIT WIT MORON who after taxes and insurance payments and everything only takes home %60 of whatever they charged anyway. WHEN I STARTED OUT I NEVER CHARGED THAT CHEAP, I made a decent profit, never SUPER LOW BALLED. Rascoandsons, why do you support people who rape this country? Who ruin the term "LANDSCAPER," even further? Why do you support this? Its a shame and truelly dissapoints me that you feel the word "RAT," is the appropiate one. I NEVER RAT NOR HAVE I EVER!!!! NOT EVEN FOR SEEING A KID TAKE THE TEACHERS PENCIL.... BUT IF SOMEBODY CAME UP TO ONE OF MY CUSTOMERS WITH THAT CRAP YOUR DAM RIGHT I WOULD! IN A HEART BEAT!!!!! I"D EVEN CALL THE COMPANY UP! I DID ALREADY WITH 1 company becasue I found his flag marker on my property. He appoligized........ IF MY CUSTOMERS FIRE ME I TAKE IT VERY PERSONAL.... THATS JUST HOW I AM.... Especially if they fire me cause of LOW PRICE! BUSH PUT UP THE FENCE!!!!!!!!!!:usflag: :usflag:

[SodKing]

Take a look at this link... it say's here in Pennsylvania you can apply these chemicals when you are 16 years of age on other people's lawns.



No it doesn't say that at all. It specifically states that you cannot use pesticedes until the age of 16. But if you read the first lines it says "you have been hired to work at the neighboring farm"

This means that the farmer, or licensed private applicator, is directly supervising you. Farmers are also private applicators not applicators for hire. Much like you with no license cannot legally treat another home owners lawn, neither can the farmer. He is not properly licensed to do so. The farmer can only treat his own farmland or that leased by him but he cannot do contract spraing "for Hire".

[M RASCOE&SONS]

You keep avoiding the post this has to do with not having a license to apply Pesticides leagly.

Now your whinning about someone beating you to an estimate or job you didnt have.

I also havent got a reply on if you where caught applying without a license?
xterminator read that post about the estimate one more time ,maybe read it slow i wasnt whinning i was just showing you stuff like what happened to you happened too me,no where in the post did i say i was gonna be on the phone to consumer protection or the dep or the irs for that matter.and to address the "CAUGHT QUESTION" , I HAVE NEVER DONE NOR WILL I EVER DO ANYTHING THAT I AM NOT LISCENCED TO DO BECAUSE THERE IS TOO MANY PEOPLE WITH NOTHING BETTER TO DO THAN PICK UP THE PHONE AND RAT ME OUT .HAVE A GOOD 06 AND SHOW THOSE LOWBALLING NO LIC AND INSURANCE GUYS WHAT ITS ALL ABOUT :weightlifter: :drinkup: :usflag:

[M RASCOE&SONS]

M rascoand whatever, when you loose 10 "GOOD," customers because some illegal allien from Mexico, who can CARE LESS ABOUT THE US, and IS RAPING THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA FOR ALL SHE iS WORTH THEN PISSING ON HER, you Mr. Rasco will loose that extra $10,000 for the year. Hey if you don't care about $10,000 cause thats what I get minimum per customer for the year, then my friend I guess you don't mind loosing hard earned profit. I mean at least $1000 per customer..

There's also a sense of trust and dedication lost when a long time customer FIRES YOU for some NIT WIT MORON who after taxes and insurance payments and everything only takes home %60 of whatever they charged anyway. WHEN I STARTED OUT I NEVER CHARGED THAT CHEAP, I made a decent profit, never SUPER LOW BALLED. Rascoandsons, why do you support people who rape this country? Who ruin the term "LANDSCAPER," even further? Why do you support this? Its a shame and truelly dissapoints me that you feel the word "RAT," is the appropiate one. I NEVER RAT NOR HAVE I EVER!!!! NOT EVEN FOR SEEING A KID TAKE THE TEACHERS PENCIL.... BUT IF SOMEBODY CAME UP TO ONE OF MY CUSTOMERS WITH THAT CRAP YOUR DAM RIGHT I WOULD! IN A HEART BEAT!!!!! I"D EVEN CALL THE COMPANY UP! I DID ALREADY WITH 1 company becasue I found his flag marker on my property. He appoligized........ IF MY CUSTOMERS FIRE ME I TAKE IT VERY PERSONAL.... THATS JUST HOW I AM.... Especially if they fire me cause of LOW PRICE! BUSH PUT UP THE FENCE!!!!!!!!!!:usflag: :usflag: THE ONLY SIDE I SUPPORT IS MY FAMILIES AND THATS IT..I LOVE DOING WHAT I DO AND I THINK THERE IS A BETTER WAY THAN CALLING SOMEONE IN AND RATTING THEM OUT IMO..I HOPE YOU HAVE A GOO 06 AND THE LOWBALLING NO LIC AND INSURANCE GUYS DONT GET IN YOUR WAY:drinkup: :usflag:

[grasswhacker]

Freddy kruger from this site should be turned in........ to the ******* police.

He's from Canada. Wonder if he is the old Fairway Lawn care or whatever that fella was who only used 21" mowers?

[stumper1620]

I don't know how TN is, but here in Michigan I have the MDA enforcement officers office and cell phone numbers. they told me if I know or even suspect Illegal activities I should give them a call and they will check it out.
They will work with anybody that wants to be legal, but if you disregard the law--- WATCH OUT!!
I really appreciate the enforcement officers around here (and we have a lot of them) they are out to get the guys that are disregarding, not those trying hard to stay within the laws.

[Freddy_Kruger]

Freddy kruger from this site should be turned in........ to the ******* police.
why? go take a siesta.

Illegals should be thrown in jail and used as forced labour to build a proper wall along the Mexican border. They marched in L.A. yesterday carrying the Mexican flag if they ever get a majorty.... you better learn to speak spanish because you willl have a hundred million coming into your country. hLet them go march in Mexico city for human rights.

Then canada will have to start guarding our south border because the majority of amercans will be 'hespanic migrants.

LOU DOBBS for President before its too late.

[indyturf]

Take a look at this link... it say's here in Pennsylvania you can apply these chemicals when you are 16 years of age on other people's lawns.

I also cannot wait to get my pesticide license, because I want to do it so badly and I am getting pis*ed off at the other people who think that they can just do it whenever. I mean I am studying the book and everything, but I mean why can't I put them down as long as I have my MSDS Sheets, a fire extinguisher, and a bag of cat litter with a shovel. I know how to apply them safely and everything else. The only problem is taking the tests.

Is there anyone who could check into this situation a little more for me? As far as how old you really have to be to take the CORE and Category tests?

http://abe.sdstate.edu/hosta/index_files/Task%20Sheets/3.5%20Agricultural%20Pesticides.pdf
this looks like its for ag chemicals and farming. I know my son had to wait until he was 18 to take the pesticide applicator test.

[Fertboy]

I say burn them, like high nitro on a summer day!

[befnme]

i would turn em in in a split second . i figure i had to work to get my license and so should you .

[ArizPestWeed]

Just for the record as Sod King posted earlier. It's not "ratting someone out":laugh: This is business not prison or the mob. I do send info to the Dept. of Agriculture and the I.R.S. with lawn care operations not listed with a license. (nothing personal) If they are operating legally they will not have any problems. I don't care what anyone thinks. I won't stand by and watch. You would be stupid not to turn in the people putting the green industry at risk.
That's a bizarre statement , " putting the green industry ar risk ".
That's not the case .
I an no " SNITCH" .
Besides , they may get a license and compete agaimest you , THAT WOULD BE STUPID ON YOUR PART IF THAT WAS WHAT THEY DID AFTER YOU TURNED THEM IN .

[SpreadNSpray]

That's a bizarre statement , " putting the green industry ar risk ".
That's not the case .
I an no " SNITCH" .
Besides , they may get a license and compete agaimest you , THAT WOULD BE STUPID ON YOUR PART IF THAT WAS WHAT THEY DID AFTER YOU TURNED THEM IN .

I don't know whats so "bizarre" about it. If you operate illegally you are putting the green industry in some kind of a compromise. It might be low pricing, not having insurance, not having any chemical knowledge, poor environmental practices ect.... The list goes on. It really doesn't matter. If your are not licensed you should not be doing business in lawn care.

As far as them competing! They were already competing thats why they are being tuned in silly.

But I am all for fair competition.

[ArizPestWeed]

I don't know whats so "bizarre" about it. If you operate illegally you are putting the green industry in some kind of a compromise. It might be low pricing, not having insurance, not having any chemical knowledge, poor environmental practices ect.... The list goes on. It really doesn't matter. If your are not licensed you should not be doing business in lawn care.

As far as them competing! They were already competing thats why they are being tuned in silly.

But I am all for fair competition.
I meant compete agains't you , like in the phone book and other overt ways .

I see many people write " they are making us look bad "
They are not making us look bad , just them .
Every profession had bad apples

[elshauno]

I didnt say this but call 911 say there is a violent altercation going on between the workers the cops show up and they will have to check ids and stories. You need to make a living dont let some illegal f%k take your business

[befnme]

Besides , they may get a license and compete agaimest you , THAT WOULD BE STUPID ON YOUR PART IF THAT WAS WHAT THEY DID AFTER YOU TURNED THEM IN .

I would rather a legal licensed person be my comp than a lowballer w/out a license gettin over .

[lawnsplus]

If they get there license and learn what they really should be putting down and the costs associated with it...

Then they can compete. Although then they are gonna hire some different illegals and beat you in a payroll war...

Turn em in!!

[Xterminator]

That's a bizarre statement , " putting the green industry ar risk ".
That's not the case .
I an no " SNITCH" .
Besides , they may get a license and compete agaimest you , THAT WOULD BE STUPID ON YOUR PART IF THAT WAS WHAT THEY DID AFTER YOU TURNED THEM IN .

Then that would make them legal and I would not have to have started this Thread.
Then their prices would come up because of insurance and license & Bonds & Ag inspectors

[Xterminator]

I don't know whats so "bizarre" about it. If you operate illegally you are putting the green industry in some kind of a compromise. It might be low pricing, not having insurance, not having any chemical knowledge, poor environmental practices ect.... The list goes on. It really doesn't matter. If your are not licensed you should not be doing business in lawn care.

As far as them competing! They were already competing thats why they are being tuned in silly.

But I am all for fair competition.

It does not bother me to loose an account to some New Idiot that dose not know how to estimate a Job. (I've been that Idiot)


If we are on the same playing field its all competition, I will get them back because of quality anyway. It will just take a few months then I raise their Prices. 7 % to place them back in my Route. When they call you back you Know you have them where you want them