New Users

[Ssouth]

I am a new user on this site. When I registered there were approxiamtley 650 users. I monitered this site two months before registering. My point is that many of us are new to this game and have a lot of questions that may seem futile to the ol' pros. But if I continue to see rude replies, just because some people know all the answers, I will discontinue my use of this site. All of us rookies do not know all of the answers and that is why we ask stupid questions. Please try to point us in the right direction without looking down upon us and treating us like children. And yes, I do use the search option.<p>thank you,<p>Ssouth<br>TLC, The Landscape Co.

[Eric ELM]

I think you will find that not all of us are rude. Don't be discouraged because of a few bad eggs. All of us was new at one time, but not all of us was lucky enough to have a great forum like this to answer our questions. BTW, I know several guys from your state that could help you out if needed.<p>----------<br>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.townserver.com/elm/&quot;&gt;Eric@ELM&lt;/a&gt;<br>

[MOW ED]

Don't be discouraged by some of the negative comments. Even some of those comments have something in them that you can learn from. I have only been doing lawn care for 5 years but I wish this forum was around 5 years ago. It would have saved me lots of money and time. <br>If you have questions and don't want to post because you are afraid of a written butt kickin, do a search for the key word that you want. But I can assure you that if you post and someone comes back with a smart as#$d reply lots of us will jump their tail. There are no dumb questions. Some people will hide behind a screen and keyboard but would never say things in person. Please stay with the forum, you will find it very helpful. Good Luck, <br>ed

[1stclasslawns]

The only stupid questions are those that are unask. Dont worry about the &quot;smart&quot; answers, consider the source.<p>Welcome to the industry.<p>Like was posted above I wish this had been here years ago. Jim

[southside]

Dont worry about what some people will say<br>to you.People like that dont have the balls<br>to say something to your face,because your foot would be so far up their arse,it would<br>touch their heart.Even guys who have been<br>in the industry for years learn something <br>new now and then.I have been going 5 years<br>and I only learnt how to stripe 2 months ago.<br>(striping not real common here).<br>Good luck and if you have any questions,feel<br>free to e-mail me,I wont bite your head off.<br>:)<p>Karl<br>

[GrassMaster]

Hello:<p>Sorry about the rude replies, I wish there was something that could be done about it.<p>In most cases though you will find that some of the others will kick in, if they see someone giving another a hard time!<p>It's hard to manage a group of this size without a select few making a few smart remarks.<p>It would help as mentioned above to do a search using key words on the subject.<p>Another thing that would help is if someone does act rude, is wait for others to kick in or help out & don't make a reply.<p>It's happened to all of us, at one time or another!<p><p><p>----------<br>GrassMaster - Home: www.lawnservicing.com<br>My Start Up Page www.lawnservicing.com/startup/

[Charles]

Ssouth, nobody like a crybaby. Anyway what comes accross in typed form may seem rude. But if you heard the tone of voice of the person saying it it would not be rude. I haven't seen many rude comments on here at all anyway. Some of the questions are common sense things. I think what some of the responders are trying to suggest is for some people to start THINKING!

[thelawnguy]

A lot of the so-called rude replies probably would never happened, if the original poster had taken a few minutes to scroll thru the last couple weeks messages. Nothing more frustrating than someone starting a thread that was just beat to death two days prior.<p>Bill<p> Bill -- this is partially our fault since the forum system doesn't allow searching as easily as it should... We are looking at ways to fix this... Please try to keep comments professional and not attacking if at all possible --Vladislav <br>

[lawrence stone]

Ssouth wrote:<p>&gt;But if I continue to see rude replies, just because some people know all the answers, I will discontinue my use of this site. <p>And how does this impact the rest of the members of this forum? Since you have been a<br>non-particapant in any of the past topics you<br>will not be missed.<p>Personal attack removed -- folks, please keep a professional attitude eh? -Vladislav

[Lazer]

I guess you've just got to have a sense of humor!

[Retro67]

Inappropriate SPAM removed <br>

[GrassMaster]

Hello:<p>Oh No, Here We Go Again<p>Hey, lets cut the new guy some slack, we all had to start somewhere.<p>Yes, there is 730+ registered users here, but there is 1,000's more that just watch & read. <p>I think we should try to help everyone that participates in this forum.<p>Where does everybody think 400,000 hits a month come from?<p>With this kind of numbers, there is many differant answers that will be right. Yes, not every body is going to agree on the same thing.<p>A lot of times you just got to roll with the punches. I have & so has many others. <p>It's called the school of life or is it called the school of hard knocks?<p>Sometimes this forum thing gets tough, different forums, different rules!<p>If I can learn something which I have plenty of times here in this great forum, I don't care if I'm called a POS or what ever, just as long as I have learned something. <p>It's far better than making a $1,000 mistake or not figuring out that I'm making the same mistake over & over again.<p>I'm just glad to be here, Thanks Everybody!<p>----------<br>GrassMaster - Home: www.lawnservicing.com<br>My Start Up Page www.lawnservicing.com/startup/<br>

[Finecut]

I guess there is a message that some of us are unable to see in the post made by Ssouth. This cavalier attitude being displayed by a handful of individuals is impeding the learning of others. The administrator has not taken the bull by the horns and rectified the situation. A year ago people weren't afraid to post for fear of verbal attacks, everyone was helpful!<p>I usually agree with most of Lasers posts, as far as a sense of humor goes, there is nothing funny about the ridiculing and demeaning remarks made to individuals who lack knowledge or have just plain made a mistake or don't understand something. We all are here to learn, not to be made to feel like fools. There are 700+ registered users, and there are probably less than 75 people who post here, venture a guess why!<br>

[Retro67]

Well said finecut. I'm really tired of it. I've been here for a year and am sick of the bs of a selct few. Even the @$$holes have something to offer. <p>So does a death row inmate. John Wayne Gacy could paint like nobodies business. We didn't let him out of prison because he had some redeeming values, did we?<p>By the same token, why does the admin allow certain individuals to continue dumping on this great forum? I've been threatened with being banned after being attacked and fighting back. I shouldn't have to defend myself nor ignore the jabs, the admin should keep an environment that is friendly and conducive to learning. Need help??? I'll get it taken care of quick! You don't see this banter at the site I administrate. One reason only. I don't tolerate it. &lt;p&gt;John

[GroundKprs]

The purpose of a forum is exchange of ideas. If you don't like an idea, ignore it, laugh at it, or whatever. The administrator is not a censor, and others should not assume that job.<p>In any endeavor in life, the ignorance of the newbie is often the object of ridicule, but the ridicule can be taken constructively or destructively. Those who survive the initiation are accepted as equals. You can always learn from someone older and more experienced, but real winners learn from everyone.<p>Would you rather be laughed at here for a stupid (to others) question, or would you rather ask in a group of 75 LCOs, &quot;Why did everything die when I sprayed Roundup?&quot; Now who's ready for a snipe hunt? <p>----------<br>Jim<br>North central Indiana

[Greenkeepers]

Hey all-<p>We all need to remeber that there are no dumb questions. No matter how much we know or think we know, there is always room for improvement (in most peoples cases). I bet for every &quot;dumb&quot; post out there, there were 20+ other people who wanted to ask the same question but didn't want to get reamed out. From what I rember, were were all supposed to come to this forum and help each other out. It is supposed to be a place to bounce questions off of each and get valuable feedback. No one forces any of us to resopond to these post, but the most of the responses are what makes this site an asset to all of us. My humble advice is that if you don't like a post then simply don't respond to it!! Instead of degrading someone or whatever. <p>Sorry for the philosophy, but we were all there at one time or another. If anyone ever has a question that I may be able to help with e mail me..<p>Thanks & hope I didn't tick anyone off! <p>Mike <br>Greenkeepers

[Administrator]

Folks,<p>First of I must clarify that the matter of fact is that this is a public forum, and a LOT of different people visit here, with a LOT of different attitudes -- you name it we've seen it... From the people who are completely dedicated not only supporting every user on the site but support LawnSite itself to people who do nothing but try to trash the forums and get banned.<p>We are a very much growing site, and we are trying our best to find a happy medium of dealing with folks who create trouble. I know that flames will happen, and I think as administrators, its our responsibility to help the new users avoid getting flamed by posting clearer discussion guidelines, establishing moderators and providing a good solid way to search the previous posts and their content. All this is coming, but until then, I ask that people have a bit of patience -- the new users DESERVE to be heard, and they deserve answers -- after all, EACH and every single one of you was a newbie at lawncare at one point or another, just the same as I was five years ago with my job. <p>People, we gotta keep a professional attitude here -- don't post comments and replies that you wouldn't say to the face of your BEST clients -- they are for the most part inappropriate and really out of place. Lets work together to build and improve this new global community -- there is a lot to learn for everyone, including myself. <p>Sincerely,<p>Vladislav Davidzon<br>Your Systems Administrator<br>Global Reaction Network<p><br>

[GrassMaster]

Hello:<p>I agree with the administrator 100%<p>----------<br>GrassMaster - Home: www.lawnservicing.com<br>My Start Up Page www.lawnservicing.com/startup/

[Charles]

So what are we trying to do? Make this forum as bland and politicaly correct as possible? Cant we have different views without fear of offending someone? Because when you disagree with some people they get highly offended and take it as an insult. Are we suppose to think 15 minutes on every sentence we make so that it doesn't come across as offensive? We all talk to alot of customers all day and alot of times they come off as offensive. Alot of time they take what we say the wrong way. A web site need to be intertaining and imformative to keep users coming to it. Different personalities on this forum(after you get to know them is what makes things interesting. I guess we need to leave out personalities at the door before we enter this web site.

[Retro67]

This &lt;b&gt;is&lt;/b&gt; a forum for the advancement of those in the lawncare industry, not a MadTV or Saturday Night Live episode.&lt;p&gt;John<br>

[Administrator]

I agree 100% with you on the two posts, but I also think that we all need to keep professional attitudes. If you are annoyed by a post made by a newbie, why not just skip it if you don't want to help?<p>What I am saying is that we are a community and the running of this forum needs to be a community effort -- ran by the community, for the community. <p>Personalities are great and really wonderful, but negativity does need to be left off this board -- because in the end that same negativity will come bouncing back at you as people start making up their mind towards the person as being negative.<p>I said before and I say again that we are a community and the running of this forum needs to be a community effort -- ran by the community, for the community.

[Ssouth]

Thank you all for the encouragement. BTW, I'm not scared to ask question and get shot down. The fact is that I, like all of you, work hard every day and when I log on to this site every night I am wanting to learn and not waste my time listening to others bad mouth one another. It is a total waste of my time to listen to personal assaults. Like everyone on here says TIME IS MONEY and I don't like other people wasting my time. Difference in opinion is great and that is where new ideas come from. I think that if you have a problem with someone you should talk directly to them and not use this site as a sounding board. <p>Once again thank you for the encouragement.<p>Ssouth

[cjcland]

i think this forum is very friendy if you want to see rude then pull up to one of your competitors on the street and start asking him what he charges and so on and so on, then you will see rude, here we are ALL willing to help i have yet to see anyone who has posted useless info everytime they post we all have strenghths in some areas, some people feel mr stone is rude but i tell you he would be the first person i would ask about taking care of athletic fields,im sure you will find this site is very helpfull.......remember &quot;the truth shall set you free&quot;<p>----------<br>CJC Landscape Management<br>Winter Haven, Florida

[thelawnguy]

Well said, cjcland<p>Let me know if you found the info I sent you useful.<p>Bill

[Charles]

Back from cutting a neighbors yard lol. I have been to retro(john)web site a few times. Found it boring. Not a cut just being honest. He made a post begging for more posting. Mr. Administrator on the other hand has a very successful site and still growing. Why change something that is working? Seems that Retro comes here alot. To complain mostly. But that doesn't bother me either. You just can't please everyone. And you might mess things up trying to. I feel Like I have gottten to know people on this site. I know what to expect lawrence to say lol as well as lazer. Victor was offended by what Lazor said about a trailor the other day. But he was just was being honest. That life. When you have alot of member like this you are bound to have confict. Now back to cutting grass lol Gotta drive across town grrrrr

[Eric ELM]

Hey Guys, I see there has been a lot of activity here today. Didn't any of you guys work today? <p>Lets all try to help each and stay Happy. :) <p><p>----------<br>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.townserver.com/elm/&quot;&gt;Eric@ELM&lt;/a&gt;<br>

[Administrator]

I am glad we were able to work out any issues here. If anyone has any further comments, please feel free to contact us!

[steven Bousquet]

RELAX MAN, landscapers are a funny group.some rude,some funny,some cocky, many guys have a strong opinion and belive they have the answars ,yes we can be rude, so can clients, how do you handle that? so can employees ? after 17 yrs, i've done eveything wrong at least twice and i am still learning, you should take from this site what you like and be glad that this site is even here for you,i could have used the help in 1983 and gladly have taken the rudeness for the info i got. good luck

[Gene $immons]

Good reading here.

[dvmcmrhp52]

Yes.