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PurpHaze
03-28-2006, 11:36 PM
Well... yesterday was a PITA Monday. One of those days when I shoulda just stayed in bed. Started replacing an old 3" brass valve located in the skinned area of a baseball field and it turned into one of those repair projects where absolutely NOTHING goes right from the very beginning.

First, I can't use the Bobcat backhoe because of the area and have to hand dig the whole thing. I also have to scrape off the clay/cinder mixture and keep it separate from the other soil so it can be spread back on top. And I can't leave the hole just ply-boarded up because of practices after school. So I have to get the whole thing done in the one day but this shouldn't be too bad because "been there, done that" many times before. WRONG!

Picture #1: Picture I posted before showing the relationship of the valve on the field. Left valve is the one I'm going to replace.

Picture #2: Note the angle the brass valve is in. Now imagine what's going through my mind as I have to replace this with a valve that won't really match up. I can't just spin the valve off even though I do have big honkin' pipe wrenches available. Look at all the rust! I use penetrating oil and nothing budges except the PVC main line below. Damn... gonna snap something if I keep at it and it will most likely be the main line tee.

Picture #3: Discover that the rusted galvanized 90 is attached to the main line via a male adapter. Decided to dig a bigger hole and just spin off the entire contraption. So far, so good and I plugged the MA with an adjustable plug seen here. Only thing is that the area stays a little wet but I just figure it's from removing the valve and expelling water from the main since it's kinda a low spot. I should of listened to my instincts!!!

Picture #4: Take the plug out, spin on a new galvanized 90 (couldn't get a threaded PVC 90), spin in an MA and then glue a new 3" Irritrol valve into the MA. Put my shovel on the end while the glue sets up and then pump out the water you see in the hole. Waited some time and noticed that water was dribbling around the MA coming out of the main. Damn!!!!! MA must of cracked when I was spinning off the old valve because there's a constant dribble of water coming out where the threads meet the collar.

Had enough for the day!!! Put a valve box over the valve, backfilled the hole and then spread the clay/cinder topping so all is reasonably well to play baseball on. Will wait for rain of today to go away, dig the dang thing back up and Dresser in a new tee onto the main line and reset the valve.

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr... :dizzy:

Dirty Water
03-28-2006, 11:40 PM
Fun fun.

Is the male adapter fitting to fitting with the mainline tee?

sheshovel
03-29-2006, 12:02 AM
I love your pics Purp!

Jason Rose
03-29-2006, 12:09 AM
There's NOTHING more maddening than having to fix something TWICE!!! Let alone the fact that you had to even fill it all back in and now have to dig it all back up again tomorrow. Well, it will be easier diggin the second time around!

If nothing else the leak will allow you to do your magic and reinstall it RIGHT, minus the hokey galvinized elbow, lol

PurpHaze
03-29-2006, 12:21 AM
Fun fun.

Is the male adapter fitting to fitting with the mainline tee?

Yup... no space to cut it off. I also thought about cutting off just the MA lengthwise and peeling it off the stub coming out of the tee but by the time I carefully do that I can Dresser in a new tee and be done with it. Besides, there's no guarantee it won't crack or something else gets screwed up.

PurpHaze
03-29-2006, 12:22 AM
I love your pics Purp!

Garwsh... gee wiz, thanks. :waving:

Dirty Water
03-29-2006, 12:24 AM
Yup... no space to cut it off. I also thought about cutting off just the MA lengthwise and peeling it off the stub coming out of the tee but by the time I carefully do that I can Dresser in a new tee and be done with it. Besides, there's no guarantee it won't crack or something else gets screwed up.

Got a Rambit?

you could drill the stub out of the tee in a few minutes.

PurpHaze
03-29-2006, 12:25 AM
There's NOTHING more maddening than having to fix something TWICE!!! Let alone the fact that you had to even fill it all back in and now have to dig it all back up again tomorrow. Well, it will be easier diggin the second time around!

If nothing else the leak will allow you to do your magic and reinstall it RIGHT, minus the hokey galvinized elbow, lol

Yeah... that's true. I'm also considering putting in a 2" valve instead of a 3" valve and then making the short connection back onto the 3" lateral with just 2". Much easier and really won't lose much over such a short run. I was going to 90/90 the 3" back onto the lateral anyway since the angle of the lateral will not match up. I'll play it by ear and trust my instincts this time. :laugh:

YardPro
03-29-2006, 08:30 AM
sorry to hear about your day....

i had one of those days yesterday...
should have nevr gotten out of bed.....

PurpHaze
03-29-2006, 09:20 AM
sorry to hear about your day....

Thanks. It's stopped raining so looks like I'll try it again today.

i had one of those days yesterday...
should have nevr gotten out of bed.....

Sorry to hear that also. Today WILL be better.

koster_irrigation
03-29-2006, 10:05 PM
they wouldnt let you put a piece of thick plywood over the hole? i guess it was all in the the players way...

PurpHaze
03-29-2006, 10:19 PM
Got a Rambit?

you could drill the stub out of the tee in a few minutes.

Never used one before but I have a pretty good idea of what you're talking about. URL?

Dirty Water
03-29-2006, 10:23 PM
Never used one before but I have a pretty good idea of what you're talking about. URL?

I don't use them either (I don't like to trust surfaces that have already been glued once before, especially on a mainline)...but in a pinch, it could be nice to have:

http://www.hydropool.com/images/parts_spa/spp400/RAMBIT-1.jpg

Get them at your local plumbing supply house.

PurpHaze
03-29-2006, 10:26 PM
they wouldnt let you put a piece of thick plywood over the hole? i guess it was all in the the players way...

I probably could of but I knew I wouldn't be back for at least two days. They would have had a practice Monday (went off OK; no rain) and a game yesterday (no game due to rain) so I just didn't want to take a chance between the weather and their practice/game schedule. I get pulled off things without notice depending on what has priority and some of these emergencies turn into big projects. I was better off burying it even if I couldn't get back for a week. Had this been somewhere else where there was no interference with a sport then I would, and have put down plywood and barricaded off the area. :drinkup:

koster_irrigation
03-29-2006, 10:27 PM
that would be good if in one of those situations like a piece of pvc going into or under some concrete and you had little to work with...

PurpHaze
03-29-2006, 10:30 PM
I don't use them either (I don't like to trust surfaces that have already been glued once before, especially on a mainline)...but in a pinch, it could be nice to have:

Get them at your local plumbing supply house.

Thanks Jon. Pretty much what I thought. I too would be leery especially on a main line.

PurpHaze
03-29-2006, 10:42 PM
OK... the replacement got finished this morning and pretty much went off without a hitch. I decided to use a 2" valve and then do the 90/90 trick of reconnecting the 3" lateral line to the 2" valve. I've posted those types of pics before so no sense boring everyone. :laugh:

However... there was one glitch. Had a groundsworker working with me since my regular partner has been off with a real bad back for nearly three weeks now. I was down in the hole shoveling out a deep spot for setup of our Honda pump and my sunglasses started fogging up. I layed them on the ground outside the hole and when Leo came back with the first parts we were setting up... you guessed it... his brand new Caterpillar boots squashed my $5 sunglasses that the wife had brought back for me from Las Vegas last week. :laugh: :drinkup: :hammerhead: :clapping:

sheshovel
03-30-2006, 07:13 PM
OOOHHH bummer Purp..well I gues she'll have to go back and buy you another pair!I go through about six pairs a season..what with setting them down and leaving them..sitting on them,smashing them and loosing them...gets expensive..By the way it is really important to only wear 100%UV rated full wrap arounds..nothing else will protect your eyes properly..and we who are out in the sun all the time are the most suseptible to Manacular Digeneration a digerneration of your eyes that can cause eventual blindness

Wet_Boots
03-30-2006, 08:28 PM
..and we who are out in the sun all the time are the most suseptible to Manacular Digeneration a digerneration of your eyes that can cause eventual blindness<p align=right>I've fallen and I can't get up!<br><img src=http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/3967/sheshovelavatarfallen1gm.gif>&nbsp; &nbsp; </p>
I thought it was macular degeneration that led to blindness, and that manaculer degeneration was when your handcuffs rusted to pieces.

Dirty Water
03-30-2006, 09:20 PM
:laugh:

:laugh:

hehehhee.

sheshovel
03-30-2006, 10:10 PM
Well Wetboots..you know what I ment!
What's this playing with my Avatar again?
Better be carefull she bites!

PurpHaze
03-31-2006, 09:36 AM
<p align=right>I've fallen and I can't get up!<br><img src=http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/3967/sheshovelavatarfallen1gm.gif>&nbsp; &nbsp; </p>
I thought it was macular degeneration that led to blindness, and that manaculer degeneration was when your handcuffs rusted to pieces.

ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!! You rock Boots!!! :laugh: :drinkup:

PurpHaze
03-31-2006, 09:37 AM
Better be carefull she bites!

Maybe he's hoping she will??? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

PurpHaze
03-31-2006, 09:39 AM
OOOHHH bummer Purp..well I gues she'll have to go back and buy you another pair!I go through about six pairs a season..what with setting them down and leaving them..sitting on them,smashing them and loosing them...gets expensive..By the way it is really important to only wear 100%UV rated full wrap arounds..nothing else will protect your eyes properly..and we who are out in the sun all the time are the most suseptible to Manacular Digeneration a digerneration of your eyes that can cause eventual blindness

That's exactly why I wear inexpensive sun glasses. My problem with wrap-a-rounds is that they fog up way too easily.

sheshovel
04-01-2006, 10:28 PM
Well ya gotta get the kind with vents!Sometimes I wonder about you PURP..
How dare you laugh at Wet-Boots useing my Avatar like that
!she's real ya know!
I thought you liked me:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

PurpHaze
04-03-2006, 09:22 AM
Well ya gotta get the kind with vents!Sometimes I wonder about you PURP..

You think a $5 pair of sunglasses would include vents? Too fancy for the price. May as well wear safety glasses. :dizzy:

How dare you laugh at Wet-Boots useing my Avatar like that
!she's real ya know!
I thought you liked me:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

LOL... she aint real She. :laugh:

Squizzy246B
04-03-2006, 09:37 AM
That's exactly why I wear inexpensive sun glasses. My problem with wrap-a-rounds is that they fog up way too easily.

I'm considering a full face helmet..with Head-up Display and inbuilt irrigation targeting system......Hehehehehehehe:rolleyes: :laugh: :waving:

PurpHaze
04-03-2006, 09:40 AM
I'm considering a full face helmet..with Head-up Display and inbuilt irrigation targeting system......Hehehehehehehe:rolleyes: :laugh: :waving:

I thought this was standard on the Aussie Helo-excavator? :laugh:

bicmudpuppy
04-04-2006, 03:09 PM
Hey Purp, the rambits work great........but I still wouldn't trust it on pressure for anything bigger than inch pipe.

PurpHaze
04-05-2006, 10:58 AM
Hey Purp, the rambits work great........but I still wouldn't trust it on pressure for anything bigger than inch pipe.

Thanks Bic... Maybe I'll pick one up but most of my work is with larger main line pipe so doubt if there'd be a call for it then. When it comes to laterals they're easy to reroute, etc.