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TheHotShotKid
04-04-2006, 03:38 PM
A manufacturer who has a product line that consists of 5,000 fixtures or one that carries 10 different styles?

DarkLotus
04-20-2006, 06:16 AM
If you have 5000 fixtures of unreliable quality or 10 that will work, I'll put my money on the 10. Call backs are a waste of time and money.

Flow Control
04-20-2006, 06:30 AM
Give me a company that makes the best transformer and even one other product such as an affordable accent light that does not fade over the years and the socket does not go south. Which is a problem I am seeing more and more with the Vista line. Back to my point, give me a company that makes the best transformer and best accent light that is not double the cost of competitors and they would have a customer for life.

DarkLotus
04-20-2006, 06:52 PM
One answer, Cast-Lighting!

Jacob's Yardworks LLC
04-20-2006, 06:58 PM
One answer, Cast-Lighting!

Good answer!

desert night light
04-20-2006, 09:31 PM
Nightscaping is still #1

Flow Control
04-21-2006, 07:46 AM
$65 per accent light is great if you can charge over $200 but lights don't move around here unless they are in the 150 range give or take 10pts. And the dealer in this area is basically the worst possible place they could have choosen. It's a place similar to a hardware store, you can buy stuff for your tractor or sprinkler. I have no idea why they did not seek a place that was more in the green industry loop.

desert night light
04-21-2006, 09:08 AM
If your paying 65 and moving them for 150 that's a good profit...no?

NightScenes
04-21-2006, 03:29 PM
If your paying 65 and moving them for 150 that's a good profit...no?

Add in wire, transformer, labor, insurance, truck payment, etc, etc. $150 won't cover the cost.

Pro-Scapes
04-21-2006, 05:29 PM
I agree unless your billing out each component as a seperate charge your bottom lines not where it should be. Anyone notice the cost of wire latley?

take a typical install and figure out your total cost. fixtures... bulbs...spicing supplies... trans.. automation stuff... wire etc then add in your labor costs and fixed overhead.

I may not be as experienced as some in this particular area but this pertains to any business. You cant just say I made XX over cost of the supplies and figure your income on your gross profit.. Its what you have in the bank after all the expenses are paid that matters.

Controling my overhead has been the single most important factor of being profitable for me. Everyone definatly needs to sit down and figure out ALL thier costs... fuel.. insurance workmans comp if applicable trucks tooling equipment etc. Cost of advertising and everything subtracts from your bottom line... If your selling a 200 buck fixture at 150 and doing a 20 light job thats like 1000 off your bottom line..I just dont see it being profitable enough to stay in business.

desert night light
04-21-2006, 08:20 PM
With the junk I use, 150 a fixture is highway robbery. You can get some real light duty brass and copper crap on the internet these days and make a killing. net cost about 30 a fixture. That's what i'm talkin bout.

Flow Control
04-22-2006, 07:50 AM
Let me know if this is way off or not:

Not talking about any pathways just accents and well lights.

10 fixture system

4 accents & 6 well lights plus 600watt transformer and 500' of 12-2 wire plus 1 bore, photocell and timer, new electrical box (outlet) and 2 guys with 4 hours of labor plus drive time and overhead.


4 accents @ $65 and 6 wells @38 plus bulbs @ $11 = $548 plus tax = $589.1

Wire @ $138 plus tax= $148.35

Transformer @ $340 + tax = $365.5

timer (18) plus cell @ (20) + tax = $40.85

misc. parts $50

Electrician: $200

2 workers $350 including overhead

Warranty fund ???? $250

Desired profit????????? atleast $500

comes out around $1993.80

I numbers are exact by any means and people can save if there is no need for an electrician and other such factors. But it should not be way off.

desert night light
04-22-2006, 08:36 AM
sounds like your not buying very well. Costs look high for materials. Please adjust and re-submit for evaluation.

Flow Control
04-22-2006, 10:33 AM
sounds like your not buying very well. Costs look high for materials. Please adjust and re-submit for evaluation.
Submit your breakdown.

NightScenes
04-22-2006, 10:34 AM
Let me know if this is way off or not:

Not talking about any pathways just accents and well lights.

10 fixture system

4 accents & 6 well lights plus 600watt transformer and 500' of 12-2 wire plus 1 bore, photocell and timer, new electrical box (outlet) and 2 guys with 4 hours of labor plus drive time and overhead.


4 accents @ $65 and 6 wells @38 plus bulbs @ $11 = $548 plus tax = $589.1

Wire @ $138 plus tax= $148.35

Transformer @ $340 + tax = $365.5

timer (18) plus cell @ (20) + tax = $40.85

misc. parts $50

Electrician: $200

2 workers $350 including overhead

Warranty fund ???? $250

Desired profit????????? atleast $500

comes out around $1993.80

I numbers are exact by any means and people can save if there is no need for an electrician and other such factors. But it should not be way off.

What about fuel, insurance, truck payment, advertising, cell phone, tires and oil changes, uniforms, computer, invoices, etc, etc, etc?

You have to figure everything that you spend to do business. If you neglect these expenditures, you will go broke!!

It cost's money to run the business.

eskerlite
04-23-2006, 07:33 AM
Three times your cost of materials works well. You have to instill the value of You and the products You use to the customer. If you install a fixture or transformer with less than a lifetime warranty you are leaving yourself open to cost you cant recover from in the future when you re-install that fixture(aluminum) or the client chooses another contractor because your fixtures didnt last. The Bitterness from cheap quality lingers long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.