Need tires for 40-year-old mower

[LarryF]

I hope you didn't hurt yourself when you fell off your chair laughing at me, but they are for a 1965, 22-inch, self-propelled Hahn-Eclipse POW-R-PRO. I had to replace the engine about a dozen years back, but the mower still runs great. However, the tires are starting to disintegrate from old age. They are unusual tires, so I am providing a photo. As you can see, the rim has 12 quarter-inch projection around the perimeter which I don't know the name of, but they might be called tenons; and the inside perimeter of the rubber tire has grooves those tenons fit into. So a conventional tire won't do. With all of the knowledge and experience Lawnsite members have, I wonder if anyone knows where I might buy those tires. The old ones have the Hahn-Eclipse name and a part number 33085.

[fishinpa]

Feeling sympathetic for your situation, somewhat respectful for your not throwing this by the wayside, and general curiosity about older equipment....

I found this ( http://www.yesterdaystractors.com/gardent/messages/63569.html )

It's semi-current being it's from January '06, so good luck with it! I really hope you get 'er up-n-running soon but I fear you may have to come up with a non-oem solution. :drinkup:

[extoro]

Toro bought the Hahn Co. - a few years back. I ASSUME it is the same company, you may try contacting Toro with that part number and see what if anything can be done. Good luck

[steve45]

First, I'd try a Google search. If that doesn't turn up anything, perhaps you could change the wheel and tire together.

[LarryF]

finshinpa, extoro and steve45,

Just want you to know that I appreciate all the help provided. I didn't find anything at yesterdaystractors but I sent a request to them which hasn't been answered yet, and I'll look into the Toro lead. Who knows, they might have a storage bin somewhere filled with these tires. I had tried Google and seveal other search engines a number of times in the past and always came up empty. I did find a place called mayberrys.com which has some Hahn-Eclipse parts (and that of several other manufacturers if anyone is interested) but no tires.

That Hahn-Eclipse of mine has cut a lot of grass in its time, but I only use it now for some very steep hills on my property, slopes I wouldn't attempt cutting the grass with any sit-upon mower. fishinpa is right in that I should have dumped this mower decades ago, but every time I went to look at something to replace it with, I decided that what I already had was better engineered and constructed and therefore did a repair instead. Must be some kind of a disease I'm afflicted with, but I guess a lot of us have that problem.

[fishinpa]

fishinpa is right in that I should have dumped this mower decades ago, ...

I NEVER SAID THAT! I SAID: I was "respectful for your not throwing this by the wayside".

PS: "I think" it took me about 30minutes to find that minuscule lead, really hoping it would help you. There must be a big collectors market for that stuff. I found people selling supposedly "original" cutouts of advertisements from magazines and newspapers for that mower and other Hahn-Eclipse stuff.

The link I put up was for someone that said he had "a parts manual for about anything Hahn-Eclipse has ever made". I did this because all the part numbers I came across for the Hahn-Eclipse suff had 6 digits. If you were to try and contact that person from that post 1:_ You could double check the pn (which is probably correct, I mean no disrespect) and 2:_I was thinking that if I had a really old machine, AND found someone who claims to have manuals for about everything that equipment manufacturer ever made... he's probably a collector and might have more info than just paper manuals.

I guess I could have mentioned that I also read along the way that somehow when Hahn originally folded up, Gravely wound up with "everything Hahn" so I am now very surprised to read "extoro" mention that Toro bought the name. I think it's wild that technology advances at a staggering pace, but everyone spends money to buy old company names, because retro is the "in" thing.

Just do me a favor and email or post pictures here of this beast when you get it back up-n-running. I have complete faith in you to "complete this mission".

[LarryF]

I NEVER SAID THAT!

fishinpa. You're right, you never did. I apologize. My comment was really just a reflection of my own thoughts whenever I start to work on it again. But I'm not really doing much work on it now, just seeing if it still runs, and it did start up on the 3rd pull.

And you are correct about the fact that the part number should have had 6 digits. I dropped one when I wrote that first post. The tire number should be 330875. You have a good eye for detail. And I'll pursue farther looking for the guy who has the Hahn-Eclipse parts catalogs to see if he has parts and especially tires as well. Actually, however, I have the parts list, because I'm the original owner and way back in the '60s the manual that came with such equipment included not only an itemized list of every part in it, but an exploded-view diagram of where everything fit. It's a pity they don't do that with lawn equipment sold today. I've browsed through a lot of the posts on LawnSite.com, and I get the impression many of the members like to work on their own machine rather than take it to a dealer, and therefore I presume they would appreciate having the kind of data I got with my purchase 40 years ago.

You asked for a photo, so one is provided even though it doesn't seem to me to be an item of beauty. The blade on this machine is driven through a pulley, which is a bit unusual for a walk-behind mower. I consider there to be three advantages of that design. 1) the blade rotates at a higher rpm than if bolted directly to the crankshaft, 2) there's no danger of bending a crankshaft if the blade hits a rock, and 3) the housing is down very close to the ground in the front which makes it easy to get under shrubs, etc..

[fishinpa]

Hey Man, that is a thing of beauty to me.:clapping: I can respect engineering and they just don't make 'em like that any more.

I'm glad we're off on the right foot now and really don't think "that guy" will have parts... but I hope he can give or lead you to a source that eventually leads to "The mother-load of sources".

Are those rear wheels "keyed"? It's hard to tell from the photo you initially put up. If they are not, you could possible go to those "bicycle" type tires and save yourself a few pounds.....

Again... she's a 'beaut, and I wish you the best of luck! PLEASE be sure to find this post in a month or a year (however long it takes) and let us know how you made out. I for one, really will want to know.

I can see your from NJ... if you ever find yourself coming over to Bucks County, PA... drop me a line. Maybe you can take a few minutes out of you journey and we can meet in person???

[LarryF]

they just don't make 'em like that any more.

That's about the way I feel about it.

The wheels are not keyed to the axle, and it's a design I had never before encountered. Whether it's unique for this particular machine only, I can't really say, but as far as I know it is. The engine has a vertical crank shaft which drives a pulley which in turn transfers motion to the blade pulley through a belt. But the engine also has a horizontal power-take-off shaft which drives a horizontally oriented idler shaft through another belt-pulley system. There is a clutch handle on the right handle bar which allows the idler shaft to engage-disengage the belt on these pulleys, and that's how the engine is connected to the wheels for the self-propelled feature. Now comes the tricky part. The idler shaft also has a sprocket which drives another spocket on the axle through a short chain (looks like a bicycle chain and it probably is). The hub of each one of the rear wheels rides on the axle through what look like needle bearings, but these bearings are unlike any others I've ever seen. They allow the wheel to rotate in one direction but lock the wheel from turning in the other direction. So when the engine is running and the clutch is engaged, the axle drives the wheels forward. If you want to make a turn, the outside wheel will go faster than the other. If you want to stop going forward, squeeze the clutch handle, and that not only does it, but it also allows you to pull the machine backwards. And of course, when the engine is not running, you can push the machine forward irrespective of what position the clutch handle is in. If you're interested and give me an email address, I'll send you a PDF of the exploded view that shows all of the parts.

[LarryF]

That's about the way I feel about it.

The hub of each one of the rear wheels rides on the axle through what look like needle bearings, but these bearings are unlike any others I've ever seen. They allow the wheel to rotate in one direction but lock the wheel from turning in the other direction.

In case someone may be interested, I dug out one of those "needle bearing" assemblies which allow the axle to be driven in one direction but turn freely in the other, and took the photo shown below. Hahn-Eclipse called it an "Overrunning Clutch". It has a Torrington part number RC-101410, and there are a dozen of the little rollers inside of what looks like a bearing race.

[RKA]

Google search for Hahn Eclipse mowers took me to LawnSite.com forum.
LarryF on 4-8-06 had posed the exact question that I have. Where can I find Hahn Eclipse tires (#330875) for an OLD 22" Power Pro self propelled mower.
The discussion seemed to be between LarryF (Posts 455) and fishinpa (Posts 247) in April 2006.
If LarryF , fishinpa or anyone has info about where to find tires please advise.
I have a couple of these old Hahn Eclipse Pwer Pros with manuals and some parts if anyone is interested.

[LarryF]

It sure surprised me to see this thread come back again. I'm still here and so is my Hahn Eclipse, but I don't use it any more. I replaced it with a Quick 36 for those parts of my lawn that need a walk-behind mower. I drained the gas and put it on the back shelf, so to speak. I never did find new tires for it, so if anyone knows of a source, I'd like to know about it too. I'm curious though. Are RKA and I the only two in the world who still have this mower?

[RKA]

Tires for the old Hahn Eclipse Power Pro mowers must be hard to find. Still very interested in info about them if anyone can reply.
I have a couple of these mowers that obviously need tires but I will consider giving up the mowers and manuals and parts to someone that needs them.

[All_Toro_4ME]

have you tried ebay? or this website, www.jackssmallengines.com says they have parts for all major manufacturers

[dwlah]

trycoker.com they specialize in old/vintage size tires
they have a farm/equipment page you can e mail them
Dont know but its worth a shot

[DiyDave]

Do a google search for R & R Products- they stock some of the older golf course equipment, maybe something will match up. Also could try Miller tire in Wasseon, OH, I seem to recall some small mower semi pnuematics in thier catalog. Good luck!

[LarryF]

Thanks for trying guys. As suggested, I looked at coker, R&R and Miller, but I didn’t see anything. I had shown photos of what the Hahn Eclipse tires look like in my first post, but there doesn’t seem to be a tire like that anywhere.

[DiyDave]

LarryF I just happened to be in Miller's catalog today, looking for something else, and saw a tire that looks very similar to what you are looking for. After I saw your post today, I went to their site, it doesn't show the tire shown in their catalog. I suggest you either call them direct, or request a hard copy of their catalog, or drop them an e-mail. If you can post the dimensions of the tire you are looking for, I can compare to the listing in the catalog I have. Need width, diameter inside and out, and number of drive cleats on the inner dia. of the tire.

[LarryF]

Thanks Dave,

I sent email to them and included a copy of the first post showing the photo. I also added data about the tire width as well as inside and outside diameters. (1 3/4", 6 3/4" and 10 1/4"). Let's see what happens.

Larry

[DiyDave]

I think that's the exact tire that they sell, I think it was on page 16 of their catalog. Price was$ 20.00 per. Good luck.

[LarryF]

I think that's the exact tire that they sell, I think it was on page 16 of their catalog. Price was$ 20.00 per. Good luck.

You're right, it sure does look like it.

I never thought to look for a tire for a push-type reel mower. But now it seems reasonable that Hahn Eclipse would have just used what was an off-the-shelf item at the time.

[DiyDave]

sometimes you have to look for old parts in other fields than you are accustomed to.

[LarryF]

I appreciate the help. I tried to order the tires, but Miller wasn't open on the weekend. But after I do get through to them and the tires arrive, I'll post how I made out. Looks good from here.

[LarryF]

I got a response to email I had sent to M. E. Miller Tire Co and called them. I spoke to Ed Miller, and he gave me a price of $16 rather than the $20 the catalog indicated. So I ordered them. Ed said that he bought everything the manufacturer had a few years back and sure seemed surprised that I could use them. He still has about 50 left if anyone else is interested. I asked if the rubber was showing signs of age by getting hard and brittle, but he said it was still soft. But he warned me that the tire diameter is a little smaller than the wheel, because it was intended a an interference fit and will be a bit a struggle to get them on. The original mower manufacturer had a special tool for that, but I'm sure I'll manage.

Thanks again for the help. I had given up on ever finding these tires.

[DiyDave]

Glad to help!

[All_Toro_4ME]

Glad to see you found some tires for the ol girl.

[Roger]

I have one of these Hahn Eclipse mowers too! It is sitting in the shed, and has been for many years. I think it has a 4hp B&S engine, with a gear drive shaft out of the side of the engine -- engages a pulley for ground drive control.

I bought mine in Fall, 1968. That is when I bought my first house, so this was my first residential lawn mower. I used it for many years, but replaced it with a Snapper Commercial model, about 1985. The Hahn has a side bagger, with the cloth bag fitting over the discharge chute. It merely has an elastic band around the bag opening, which stretches over the aluminum chute. Nothing holds it in place -- no mechanical fastener. And, a rod slips through the handles, extending to the right of the mower, on which the rear of the bag hangs (as I recall -- it has been years!).

The mower was flawless, save a rear height adjuster lever. I think I had to make a replacement in late 1970s, but had a hard time finding parts already at that time.

[LarryF]

Thanks for the input, Roger. Mine still runs, and runs good, but I had replaced the engine while they were still available. I doubt if that's the case any more, but I suspect there are a lot of other Hahn-Eclipse POW-R-PROs still doing what they were designed for after all these years. I'm not sure when they stopped making them, but I think it was sometime in the late 70s. It seems to me that since owners are still trying to buy parts for them three decades after the last one was manufactured, it surely speaks well of the design and the quality. If you look at Post #7, you'll see a photo of mine.

I had used that bag you described only a few times, but to tell the truth, I never did have much sympathy for the concept of bagging. From what I can see, not too many of the pros do it either. It never seemed to me that a few grass clippings on the lawn did much damage, and getting rid of the clippings was always a problem for me. Eventually, the bag disappeared, and I never really missed not having it. That rod to support it is still hanging in the garage, however.

[Roger]

... If you look at Post #7, you'll see a photo of mine.

... That rod to support it is still hanging in the garage, however.

It was the picture that jogged my memory, not the model or name of the mower. I knew the name Hahn, but the model was not in my mind.

I think I can go to my garage and put my hands on the rod in 15 seconds! But, the bag, ... well, I don't think so. Yes, it was a pretty feeble attempt at a bagger. I didn't use mine much either. Compared to most mowers today, the discharge chute worked well. OSHA was not active during those days of manufacture, so there was a much more open shot for discharging clippings.

[LarryF]

OSHA was not active during those days of manufacture, so there was a much more open shot for discharging clippings.

I remember an explanation offered to me decades ago by a dealer that when OSHA started to flex its muscles regarding lawnmowers, that was the reason Hahn Eclipse decided to throw in the towel and terminate manufacture. I don't know if it's true, but I recall that it seemed odd to me at the time. That's because I thought the Hahn Eclipse I owned was safer than most lawnmowers of the day since it was possible to disengage the belt-driven blade while the engine still ran. It never occurred to me that OSHA might have had a problem with the Hahn Eclipse having superior grass-discharge capability.

[fishinpa]

Larry: Did you ever get the tires ordered?

I'm comping @ the bit to know if the 'ol girl is up & running again.

[LarryF]

Hi Fish,

Sure, I remember you. You were the first one to answer my may-day post in April, 2006 when I asked if anyone knew where I could get the tires. But to answer your last question, yes the ones I ordered came in and they'll fit. But since it's December now, I won't be firing up the Hahn Eclipse for a few more months. I don't know if getting these new tires mean the mower will last for another 40 years, but with the little use I'll be giving it, it might. During the last year, I bought a Quick 36 Samurai for my hills that I can't, or at least won't take my Z on, so I suspect the Hahn Eclipse won't be getting much use from now on. It's in perfect shape though. I had recently replaced the engine, blade, drive shaft and wheel bearings, so now with the new tires, it's pretty close to "as good as new". Maybe someday it'll end up in the Smithsonian for lawn mowers!

Thanks again to everyone who helped me, and Merry Christmas to all.

[fishinpa]

Glad to hear it Larry. Merry Christmas to you to!

[DingBat]

Glad I stumbled upon this forum/thread. I should pick up some of those tires, while I still can. The ones on my two POW-R-PRO's are very hard.

Here's what I use to keep the yard from reverting into a field:
1974 General Electric Elec-Trak E8m 36"
19(69-74?) General Electric Elec-Trak E15 42"
1964 Hahn POW-R-PRO 22"
1965 Hahn POW-R-PRO 22"

The 1965 Hahn developed a split in the aluminum deck that I'm going to get patched this summer, then have the deck powder coated.
Since the points burnt up on it, it's getting an electronic ignition upgrade as well to prevent that from happening in the future.

[LarryF]

Glad I stumbled upon this forum/thread. I should pick up some of those tires, while I still can. The ones on my two POW-R-PRO's are very hard.

Here's what I use to keep the yard from reverting into a field:
1974 General Electric Elec-Trak E8m 36"
19(69-74?) General Electric Elec-Trak E15 42"
1964 Hahn POW-R-PRO 22"
1965 Hahn POW-R-PRO 22"

The 1965 Hahn developed a split in the aluminum deck that I'm going to get patched this summer, then have the deck powder coated.
Since the points burnt up on it, it's getting an electronic ignition upgrade as well to prevent that from happening in the future.

So you have two of them. I have to admit to being surprised that others besides me still have a Hahn Eclipse. But your report about the General Electric Elec-Tracs was even more surprising. I wasn't aware of that machine, so I looked it up and found this:
http://www.elec-trak.org/
The fact is, my parents came from Schenectady but left before I was born in 1932. I went there after finishing high school in NJ in 1949 and worked in the GE factory during 1950 until I joined the Air Force. Never really returned there, but I had cousins who remained in Schenectady, so I had visited the place off and on over the next 40 years. However, I had never heard of the GE Elec-Trac, and if I had not found that website, I'd have a hard time believing there was such a contraption.

Well, good luck with the new tires.

[jphag]

I hope you didn't hurt yourself when you fell off your chair laughing at me, but they are for a 1965, 22-inch, self-propelled Hahn-Eclipse POW-R-PRO. I had to replace the engine about a dozen years back, but the mower still runs great. However, the tires are starting to disintegrate from old age. They are unusual tires, so I am providing a photo. As you can see, the rim has 12 quarter-inch projection around the perimeter which I don't know the name of, but they might be called tenons; and the inside perimeter of the rubber tire has grooves those tenons fit into. So a conventional tire won't do. With all of the knowledge and experience Lawnsite members have, I wonder if anyone knows where I might buy those tires. The old ones have the Hahn-Eclipse name and a part number 33085.


did you ever find your tires?

[LarryF]

did you ever find your tires?

Yes. See posts 16 through 24 above. It's a little cold for mowing here in NJ right now, so I haven't used them yet, but I have them now.

[gat341]

Larry,

I am in need of a replacement engine for my Hahn Eclipse mower. I know it has been 12+ years since you got yours but where did you get it? Mine now has a 3.5 hp as the origonal died long ago. Otherwise, I wonder if it could be overhauled?

Thanks!
Greg

[LarryF]

Larry,

I am in need of a replacement engine for my Hahn Eclipse mower. I know it has been 12+ years since you got yours but where did you get it? Mine now has a 3.5 hp as the origonal died long ago. Otherwise, I wonder if it could be overhauled?

Thanks!
Greg

Sorry Greg, but I don't think you'll be able to find a replacement any more. When I got mine in the early 1990s, I was told that what I got was the last of them and that no other 3.5HP could be used as a substitute because the power-take-off was a unique design. But if you want to look, however, what I bought is:

Model 96982
Type 5050-01
Code 85060304

I presume that it should be possible to rebuild the engine. Rings, bearings, valves and even a cylinder should be available if needed.

Mine still runs, by the way. But I drained the gas and stored in a dry place after I bought my Quick36. I may never again use it, but I bought those tires for it since I anticipated that I'd never again have an opportunity to do so again. Still haven't mounted them yet, but they are ready should I ever need them.

[gat341]

Thanks, I will look around...you never know. Mine still runs but it's using oil pretty bad. I just mowed with it this afternoon. Still throws grass better than any 22" mower I've ever used!

[LarryF]

Thanks, I will look around...you never know. Mine still runs but it's using oil pretty bad. I just mowed with it this afternoon. Still throws grass better than any 22" mower I've ever used!

New rings will probably fix that. Why not at least get a cost estimate to have them replaced, or do it yourself if you're handy with tools. Regarding your comment about "better than any 22" mower", I agree. Actually, I also had another mower that was about that size. I ran them both over a duration of about 4 decades with one being a backup for the other. The other was a self-propelled, 21" commercial Bob-Cat, but I sold it about a year or two ago. It was good too, but the Hahn-Eclipse was better. The Bob-Cat had a 4HP engine, but neither could climb some hills I have very well. My Quick 36 doesn't have a problem with the hills, however, and it's actually an overkill. Over the years I had also tried a few other 21" or 22" mowers that had 6 and 6.5HP engines on those hills, but they weren't as good as the Hahn-Eclipse, neither in hill climbing nor in discharging the grass clippings. The worst of the others was a 2-cycle Lawn-Boy which I thought might be best for the steep hills, but I was wrong and it failed the test. I suspect those 2-cycle engines are no longer available on Lawn-Boy mowers, but I was pleased that Home Depot took mine back with no questions asked.

[gat341]

Your advice is well taken Larry...I'm going to check into rebuilding it. I spoke with my dad tonight...the mower is actually his but I've confiscated it because he hoards it like a solid gold pocket watch; plus I mow his grass and hate the mower he makes me use. His fear is not being able to find the needle bearings for the rear wheels someday but he's too tight to buy some to keep on hand, so I'm going to order some! He told me the motor isn't original as it came with a 3hp. He also has a smaller version from Hahn(not sure what cut) he says contains an "iorn clad" drive mechanism not as prone to fail. Of course it doesn't run and the shaft wont fit on the 22". He has mixed and matched parts off a few of these Eclipse mowers for years. He thinks any vertical shaft 3 or 3.5 B.S. motor would work as long as the bolt pattern matches up to the lower gear section. To me, it's easier doing the rebuild.

[LarryF]

Your advice is well taken Larry...I'm going to check into rebuilding it. I spoke with my dad tonight...the mower is actually his but I've confiscated it because he hoards it like a solid gold pocket watch; plus I mow his grass and hate the mower he makes me use. His fear is not being able to find the needle bearings for the rear wheels someday but he's too tight to buy some to keep on hand, so I'm going to order some! He told me the motor isn't original as it came with a 3hp. He also has a smaller version from Hahn(not sure what cut) he says contains an "iorn clad" drive mechanism not as prone to fail. Of course it doesn't run and the shaft wont fit on the 22". He has mixed and matched parts off a few of these Eclipse mowers for years. He thinks any vertical shaft 3 or 3.5 B.S. motor would work as long as the bolt pattern matches up to the lower gear section. To me, it's easier doing the rebuild.

Sounds like your dad is a wise man. There's nothing wrong with being frugal. I don't know about the 3HP engine. I bought mine new, and it came with a 3.5. Getting some of those one-way needle bearings would be a good idea. I have what I'm sure will be a life-time supply for myself. I forgot where I bought them, but they were not unique to the Hahn Eclipse mower, because I'm pretty sure they were originally designed for some other application. That's why they were available when I looked for them. A possible related problem is that the shaft the bearings ride on can wear too, and if that happens, the bearings which are really the clutch mechanism, won't grab and drive the wheels. Good luck with the rebuild.

[pincorpete]

Does anyone have a parts list or know where to get one for the Hahn-Eclipse Pow-R-Pro? Thanks.

[LarryF]

Does anyone have a parts list or know where to get one for the Hahn-Eclipse Pow-R-Pro? Thanks.

Sure, I still have mine. It's actually a 4-page document showing operating instructions & parts list and also includes an exploded view of all parts. PM your email address to me, and I'll scan what I have and send you a PDF. It's going to be pretty hard to find parts, however.

[pincorpete]

That would be great Larry. I can't send a PM, but you can send that PDF to: 71gravely "at" comcast.net...Thank you!

[dwb-mows]

Sure Glad I found this thread!
I have just e-mailed Miller tire in the hopes they still have a few tires left.

I have 3 hahn's at home, a 65 ish 21" large wheel belt drive, a 22" large wheel direct drive, 70's vintage still a good machine, and a much newer small wheel 22" direct drive.
using the last one for parts, the overrunning cluthes in the wheels are the same, and so is the rest of the drive. I tried at one point to use ground and polished drill rod for a drive shaft but it was not hardened so it wore out quick. I have but the original shaft back in and have 2 clucthes in each wheel, this seems to help.

At one point I had a hahn snow-blower, a hahn rider, and a hahn wood chipper, but the best machine was the walk behind mower with their one hand operation.

Dave

[dwb-mows]

Miller tire sold out all it's small mower tires to Dandy Sales. he has about 1000 tires of many different types, but may be scrapping them soon as they are getting pretty old.

google "dandy sales"

[powerpro44]

I have an identical Hann Eclipes Power Pro. Bought it at an estate action 13 years ago because it was intresting looking. After I replace the carburator it ran like no other self propelled mower I have ever used. I wish the company still made them. The engine died 5 years ago and I'm looking to get it rebuilt. Do you have original owners manual or copies of one?, are you intrested in selling your 22" Power Pro?
If you didn't want to sell I can understand completly, I doen't ever see a time were I would sell mine. I'll probably pay enought money to get the engine rebuilt that I could purchase a new self propelled. Figure once I get the Power Pro running again I'll never need another push/self propelled mower again. Thanks for showing the photo, I thought I was the only person who owned one of these.

fishinpa. You're right, you never did. I apologize. My comment was really just a reflection of my own thoughts whenever I start to work on it again. But I'm not really doing much work on it now, just seeing if it still runs, and it did start up on the 3rd pull.

And you are correct about the fact that the part number should have had 6 digits. I dropped one when I wrote that first post. The tire number should be 330875. You have a good eye for detail. And I'll pursue farther looking for the guy who has the Hahn-Eclipse parts catalogs to see if he has parts and especially tires as well. Actually, however, I have the parts list, because I'm the original owner and way back in the '60s the manual that came with such equipment included not only an itemized list of every part in it, but an exploded-view diagram of where everything fit. It's a pity they don't do that with lawn equipment sold today. I've browsed through a lot of the posts on LawnSite.com, and I get the impression many of the members like to work on their own machine rather than take it to a dealer, and therefore I presume they would appreciate having the kind of data I got with my purchase 40 years ago.

You asked for a photo, so one is provided even though it doesn't seem to me to be an item of beauty. The blade on this machine is driven through a pulley, which is a bit unusual for a walk-behind mower. I consider there to be three advantages of that design. 1) the blade rotates at a higher rpm than if bolted directly to the crankshaft, 2) there's no danger of bending a crankshaft if the blade hits a rock, and 3) the housing is down very close to the ground in the front which makes it easy to get under shrubs, etc..

[LarryF]

I have an identical Hann Eclipes Power Pro. Bought it at an estate action 13 years ago because it was intresting looking. After I replace the carburator it ran like no other self propelled mower I have ever used. I wish the company still made them. The engine died 5 years ago and I'm looking to get it rebuilt. Do you have original owners manual or copies of one?, are you intrested in selling your 22" Power Pro?
If you didn't want to sell I can understand completly, I doen't ever see a time were I would sell mine. I'll probably pay enought money to get the engine rebuilt that I could purchase a new self propelled. Figure once I get the Power Pro running again I'll never need another push/self propelled mower again. Thanks for showing the photo, I thought I was the only person who owned one of these.

A copy of the owners manual is attached. I had drained the gasoline from mine and have it stored in a safe dry place, so I'm not using it any more, but nonetheless, I don't want to sell it. I'm certain that you won't be able to buy a replacement engine, so if you want to use yours some more, it looks like you will have to have the engine rebuilt. If that turns out to be very expensive and you decide to look for a new mower, my recommendation is to get one of BOP's. machines.
http://betteroutdoorproducts.com/
I have one of their Quick 36 mowers as my walk-behind and I consider it to be excellent. I doubt if anyone using for only mowing his own lawn could wear it out in a lifetime

[powerpro44]

Thank You for the owners manual!!
Hopefully the cost of rebuild isn't to crazy, I will have it done anyways,
Not that I have the money to throw around. My near future plan is to bring it back to factory new. Other than the engine needing rebuilt the rest of the mower is complete and in perfect shape. I know some powder coating companies that would strip it and recoat for next to nothing. It may sound kind of crazy to put money into an old mowerb but there's something about it that apeals to me. Not to mention when it ran it cut the yard with great ease.
Thanks again for sharing the owners manual, when I'm finished reduing the old Power Pro I'll attach photo.
[QUOTE=LarryF;3595570]A copy of the owners manual is attached. I had drained the gasoline from mine and have it stored in a safe dry place, so I'm not using it any more, but nonetheless, I don't want to sell it. I'm certain that you won't be able to buy a replacement engine, so if you want to use yours some more, it looks like you will have to have the engine rebuilt.

[LarryF]

Thank You for the owners manual!!
Hopefully the cost of rebuild isn't to crazy, I will have it done anyways,
Not that I have the money to throw around. My near future plan is to bring it back to factory new. Other than the engine needing rebuilt the rest of the mower is complete and in perfect shape. I know some powder coating companies that would strip it and recoat for next to nothing. It may sound kind of crazy to put money into an old mowerb but there's something about it that apeals to me. Not to mention when it ran it cut the yard with great ease.
Thanks again for sharing the owners manual, when I'm finished reduing the old Power Pro I'll attach photo.


I'm surprised you would want to do that. I bought mine in 1965 and got about 40 years of service from it before I put it in storage, so I'm just hanging on to it for sentimental reasons. I expect that you'll have trouble getting parts for it should they be needed. But good luck anyway. Let me know if I can be of more help.

[Phil F]

I hope you didn't hurt yourself when you fell off your chair laughing at me, but they are for a 1965, 22-inch, self-propelled Hahn-Eclipse POW-R-PRO. I had to replace the engine about a dozen years back, but the mower still runs great. However, the tires are starting to disintegrate from old age. They are unusual tires, so I am providing a photo. As you can see, the rim has 12 quarter-inch projection around the perimeter which I don't know the name of, but they might be called tenons; and the inside perimeter of the rubber tire has grooves those tenons fit into. So a conventional tire won't do. With all of the knowledge and experience Lawnsite members have, I wonder if anyone knows where I might buy those tires. The old ones have the Hahn-Eclipse name and a part number 33085.

To Larry F
Phil F not sure how this works but I have a hahn 22" power pro looks like a 3.5 hp briggs it is set up found it on junk day in town picked it up before the scrappers got it. I use to work on them in school have ring sets and carb parts from when I use to work on them. If possible Larry could you send me a copy of the parts list of the mower you said you had. thanks Phil

[LarryF]

Hi Phil.

I don't think I responded to your request for the Hahn-Eclipse manual, but I apologize and here it is now. Sorry about that, but I haven't been looking at the LawnSite stuff for quite a while.

Larry