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kootoomootoo
04-09-2006, 10:52 PM
Thought maybe some of you guys would have thoughts on lighting this house.
Yellow indicates typical layout I would do.

I prefer a wide beam mr16 (either a well or spot fixture)
Also use par36 wells or accent spreaders.

Will be multi tap transformer / 10 guage wire etc.

yardlites
04-09-2006, 11:04 PM
looks pretty good to me, although I would like to see more light in the front entry portion of the house. Maybe use 2- mr16 35/10 degree with two linear spreads to follow the columns up? Lets see what the more experienced have to say.

kootoomootoo
04-09-2006, 11:13 PM
Yeah will probabaly throw two spots on those.

klkanders
04-09-2006, 11:17 PM
Yardlites
Where are you located if I may ask?

klkanders
04-09-2006, 11:20 PM
Looks like a fun project. Do you already have the job or do have to give a proposal?

kootoomootoo
04-09-2006, 11:24 PM
Have the job,

Start the landscape install this week, lights to follow.
31 fixtures in all..........lot of trees.

klkanders
04-09-2006, 11:38 PM
Thats awesome! B&B trees, potted, bare root? Curious as we do landscaping, hardscaping and tree moving. Take some pics as you progress if you could.
Would be nice to see it transform.
Thanks!

eskerlite
04-10-2006, 09:50 PM
How about spotting the sharp edges of the turns in the front of the house with mr-16s 20 watt 7 degree and flodding the flat prtions with par 36 #7558s?

NightScenes
04-10-2006, 10:58 PM
Thought maybe some of you guys would have thoughts on lighting this house.
Yellow indicates typical layout I would do.

I prefer a wide beam mr16 (either a well or spot fixture)
Also use par36 wells or accent spreaders.

Will be multi tap transformer / 10 guage wire etc.

To stay away from the model home look, I would limit the wattage of the lamps on this home to 20 watts. I think BAB lamps (20 watts-36 degrees) would be good at the locations that you have marked but I think I would add one fixture on each column at the entry. Since they are white, I would use an FTC (20 watt-17 degree). This narrower beam will be brighter, leading people to the entry on the home.

Mark B
04-11-2006, 08:59 AM
Aight smoke this one over.. Core drill a hole out under the porch and set 4 fisxtures in there. If core drilling is not a option then you can usethe hadco well lights and cut the fixture in half to makeitas small as the little black boot that hold the bulb. Then all you have to do is drill a hole through the concrete to run the wire. My .02

kootoomootoo
04-30-2006, 08:27 PM
Finished product.

desert night light
04-30-2006, 08:36 PM
any night photos so we can see how it looks after dark?

kootoomootoo
04-30-2006, 11:09 PM
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NightScenes
04-30-2006, 11:35 PM
You might want to make a few adjustments on some of those fixtures. Did you do any landscape lighting or is it all architectural?

kootoomootoo
04-30-2006, 11:39 PM
You might want to make a few adjustments on some of those fixtures. Did you do any landscape lighting or is it all architectural?


Its all landscape lighting except by front door........i have to go by tomorrow night and do final adjustments ...hence tonights pic .......criticism is welcome.

I see a few areas looking at pic that need adjustment.

MMEC
05-02-2006, 08:37 AM
I have relatives in that area and are familar with standards concerning homes and green industry stuff. I think you did a great job and we can all offer advice on what to do but only you know all of the variables with the job. Not everyone (home owners) can afford a top of the line job. And I assume since you did the landscaping that you might have just included a lighting system in the quote. Did you use any pathways and if so which ones?

Pro-Scapes
05-22-2006, 08:50 AM
hey koot any new pics of this job ? Would like to see some good shots of your path lightings ect. Great house and great job on the landscape. I like your lighting layout just as paul mentioned tweak a few fixtures to get it evened up more. AWSOME work

jd boy
05-23-2006, 01:02 PM
i think things look pretty good also. I think it could have looked even better with some up lighting in the trees or maybe grazing the walls you built. I think at night the house would be better be tied into the landscape rather that just have that huge house glowing by itself.

niteliters
05-27-2006, 12:54 AM
I'm guessing you used halogen lamps on this project...tooooo bad.
cm

Travisty
05-27-2006, 11:29 AM
Hologen vs. what?
:confused:

niteliters
05-28-2006, 12:41 AM
Travisity, sorry if that came off rude...didn't read like I was thinking. I am a fan of the par 36 incandescent..especially on a lighter surface. The movement from light to dark is more subtle and light isn't as bright. Not being critical...I think I have said this before...we're artist and we are not going to paint with light in exactly the same way. What a dull world that would be. I would agree with paul that redircting some of the fixtures would be helpful. Also I am sure the picture doesn't represent 100% what it looks like standing in front of it at night.

chris

Travisty
05-28-2006, 11:41 AM
I didn't take it that way at all. I was just wondering what other than tungsten you could use. I didn't think about par-36 as not being tungsten.
no I didn't take it that way at all, but it is funny how you can read something and depending on your perception you will interperet in a different way.
:walking:

Travis Schiffner
ShadowScapes

desert night light
05-28-2006, 05:06 PM
Stick with halogens. Only Out of touch lighting manufactures' still recommend incandescant lamps that prematurely fail and leave the contractor holding the bag. If halogen is too bright or color is an issue use lenses. Incandescants stink.

niteliters
05-29-2006, 01:38 AM
travisty, try palying with it on your own house see what you think. I don't use them because I'm getting a commision check from a lamp manufacturer. Our customers seem very pleased. We have replaced several jobs that has mr-16 halogen with incandescant par-36. I would try the lo4446(25w) lamp. It has 16'9" beam spread at 10'..4 foot candles. very wide..very subtle. You could just order the lamps and wire those up to test at your house unless you handle well lights already. I love halogen because of the long lamp life but most par 36 will last a year which is proably the maximum amount of time you wait to service. It's not me being out of touch..it's what our customers like.

Mike & Lucia
05-31-2006, 12:22 AM
Gents,
It always amazes me how some designers LOVE PAR36s and others are devotees of MR-16s. Some of my thoughts and observations:

Trav - I'm not sure if you made a slip or are not sure of the terminology, but ALL of the lamps being spoken about have a tungsten filament. The MR-16s are halogen-tungsten. The PAR36 lamps Chris speaks of are incandescent tungsten. Also keep in ming, PAR36 lamps are also available in halogen in various wattages and beam spreads (not trying to confuse the matter, :laugh: ).

I design primarily with halogen MR16s. I like the constant color across my designs, and if I do use an inground fixture, I spec an MR16 inground when budget permits. If cost is an issue, I spec a regular well light and lamp it with a halogen PAR36. It is never my preference. I don't like the open connections, especially below grade.

A big problem I see is designers using well lights in mulch beds. This is a problem waiting to happen. Make sure it doesn't happen on your watch! These lights will soon be buried in mulch and overheat. If you are lucky, it will only melt the PVC sleeve before tripping a breaker. If you're not lucky, it will ignite the mulch. Oftentimes I see these fixtures (I use the term loosely) set high above grade level with no covers or grates. This might minimize the mulch and leaf litter buildup, but it looks like hell during the day.

We put covers of some type on all of our ingrounds. A brass grate or a ring and glass lens. Almost all of my ingrounds are specified when we need a flush mount in the turf. This is where a well light really shines (I don't believe I just typed that!:)) It is safe from mowers and trimmers and if positioned properly, it is nearly invisible during the day.

I just met with a client this morning who absolutely hates her current system and wants me to replace it with one that works properly. She said she can't keep up with the bulb replacement and she wants her landscape lit the right way. I walked the property, you guessed it! All well lights! No covers, daisy chain wiring, over powered, just a mess. She showed me two places where there were lights that had melted. Only one burned the mulch.

To each his own. That's my two cents.

Mike