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cat320
05-16-2001, 07:10 PM
Has any one seen or bought a tomaster dump trailer.Looks very good but it must cost a good$$$.What does every one think of itYou can see it at www.tomastertrailers.com

Hardy Enterprises
05-17-2001, 12:34 AM
Cat320,

I assume you meant

www.towmastertrailers.com


Looks like a nice trailer. I looked at one awhile back built by a company here in Mississippi. It was built almost just like that trailer and they wanted around $6500 if I remember correctly.

Jay

Sammy
05-17-2001, 12:52 AM
I'am looking at Bri-Mar dump trailers.

cat320
05-17-2001, 09:41 AM
I was looking at the Bri-Mar trailers too but they didn't seam as heavy duty as tomaster,big tex and a few other one I have seen on the net.All the good trailers are so far from Ma that the shipping takes up half the cost of them Toms Rv in california for about $4-5 K alot les than around here but then the shipping comes into play and raises the price.

kountryscape
05-18-2001, 07:13 PM
I've been looking for a dump trailer for a while now. The trailer of choice is made by baker , just saw two of them at a small town horse trailer sales yard . I mean this thing looks like it could haul a d-9 cat. Were talking over built to the max. a 12' 80" wide trailer sells for 5250.00 and a 14' sells for 6000.00. I think there made somewhere in illinois.Need to research this a little more. This made a bri-mar look like a tin can. Two hydro. rams not one . And it's built to haul a skid loader etc. If your looking look this way because i haven't seen anything short of a tank thats more built. :blob3:

steveair
05-22-2001, 07:20 AM
Hello,

I just purchased a 6x10 lowprofile ezdumper this spring and love it so far. I must say, I question its construction a little, but so far it has worked out better than expected. Think the price was $4200, and its a 10k gvrw with 4 wheel electric and included ramps.

I looked at other brands and will say that the ezdumper is not as heavy duty as the others, but I felt this was a good thing.

My concern is that with some of these brands, they build them so dam heavy duty that you end up throwing another 500 lbs of steel on them. I am only pulling with 3/4 ton pickup, so I wanted to get as much payload as possible with as little trailer weight. Dump trailers get heavy quick, so I feel saving every pound does help out later down the road.

Maybe the trailer will not hold up as well over time, but if it saves me the replacement of a transmission/engine due to pulling extra weight around, then I figure I am ahead of the game.

steveair

morturf
06-04-2001, 10:12 PM
i have an H&H trailer that I really like. The one i own is a 10500# hydralift. They have a dump model too. Look at the website...the prices are very reasonable.......very. www.hhtrailer.com good luck

75
06-04-2001, 10:32 PM
Steveair - read your post with interest regarding the EZ-Dumper and the "heavy-duty" factor.

Since I get to work on quarry equipment/plows/etc a lot I'm definitely on the "over-build it" side of the fence. But you make a good point regarding empty weights - especially with today's fuel costs!

Big trucks, which I drove for a few years, have to deal with the same payload-to-weight considerations. The tendency is to make them as light as possible, especially trailers. There is always a trade-off between reduced weight & reduced lifespan.

One of the reasons things tend to get built so heavy-duty in the pits is, about the smallest piece of equipment in them is a Cat 980 or similar loader! (Need to make a small adjustment to a conveyor, bring the loader over...........BANG!)

Provided you don't abuse and overload your trailer, it should do quite well for you.

One thing I'm wondering: Is there a lot of tube used in its construction? Tube is great for keeping weight down while maintaining strength, its big drawback is the tendency to trap moisture/dirt/salt & then rust from the inside out. I've done a few of THAT type of repair...................

steveair
06-05-2001, 12:25 PM
75,

The ez dumper is 95% C-channel. The frame, bed supports, around the body, hitch A-frame, etc. The only piece that is different is a huge 8" square beam that goes across the front. The lift pivots off of this and also the A-frame hitch goes into it.

As for weight, I weighed in the other day and my 2500HD chevy and emptly trailer weighed in around 9300lbs. That does not leave a lot of room to be 'technically' under the GCWR of the vehicle. I am glad the trailer is as light as possible now, especially when you try to pull 3 yards of stone in it. The truck gets a pretty good workout. I usually only do 2 yards at time.

Also, for whoever, be sure to get brakes on all 4 wheels. You will need them. I know a few companies offer it as a option, which it really isn't in my book.

steveair

75
06-05-2001, 06:34 PM
I like the sound of "Channel" as opposed to "Tube". Really cuts down on the moisture trap factor.

And I feel the same way about brakes on ALL the wheels. Again referring back to my truckin' days, the more stopping power the better. Funny how on the big stuff, I don't think brakes on 1 out of 2 axles is an option.......................

steveair
06-05-2001, 09:58 PM
hello again,

I just looked at the specs on that towmaster dump trailer.....it weighs in at 4400 lbs empty! And thats the smallest model, they go up from there.

Thats comparable to me pulling my trailer (2300 lbs empty) with a yard of soil in it. It may be heavy duty, but is pulling 2000lbs of dead weight around that could be used pulling material (or making $) worth the satisfaction of having a 'heavy duty' trailer?

If I had a bigger truck, say a diesel powered dually, I would think about it, but even then, thats alot of extra weight. You almost need a single axle to pull that thing around loaded, and if you have a single axle, why even bother with a dump trailer then.

I would conclude that most guys in the market for a dump trailer are only going to pull it with a 1 ton or 3/4 ton pickup (Because if they already had a mason dump, they wouldn't be looking at dump trailers). It seems that it is common to overlook the fact that a dump trailer capable of dumping 14k lbs. may be a great idea, but in reality, when are you going to be pulling around 14k loads with a pickup on a daily basis. The way they market these trailers is very misleading. They are almost building them for a market that 'does not exist' when you look at how heavy duty some of them are.


And Rob, your trucking stories reminded me of a conversation I had with a fuel delivery man where I work. At the airport, Exxon delivers jet fuel using tractor trailers. They switched the 4 tandem wheels on the trailer(8 total) to 4, wider tires. The driver explained that they could load something like 75 gallons extra then on each due to the elimation of those for extra wheels. Short term, 75 gallons as part of a 7000+ gallon load is not what you think of a great savings, but over the period of a year, you add it up and it comes out to a huge savings for them. Even though it is technically as safe, it gets more fuel on per delivery. I think thats the way to think when purchasing a dump trailer, even though you can get away with overloading way easier than larger trucks can.

steveair

75
06-05-2001, 11:06 PM
Ah, yes - "super single" tires. I've never pulled anything with them, but I've seen them around. The tried-and-true dual wheel arrangement still seems to be far and away the most common though.

In addition to the weight savings, one advantage of the single tire is reduced tire scrub on turns.

On the subject of the dump trailers, here's one idea I have regarding the "heavy duty" weight: Again based on what I see in my area, dump trailers seem to get treated about the same as the conveyor being moved with a 980 I mentioned in an earlier post here: BANG! is as about as subtle as it gets. Being built extra-heavy to start with helps them last a little longer. Railroad cars are the same way, if a boxcar were built like a 53' highway trailer it wouldn't last a day.

Which brings me back to what I said about your trailer - avoid abuse/overloading and stay on top of maintenance, and it should provide years of service.