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TJLANDS
05-10-2006, 09:38 PM
Here is a true American story, maybe more New Jersey.
Two years ago, April 10 one of my trucks was stolen by a previous employee who gets in an accident. He then puts the truck back in the yard and doesn't tell anyone.(no damage) I get a notice in the mail days later about the accident from the other persons insurance. I press charges against the ex employee he gets arrested, go to court, pleads guilty. Case closed or so I thought. Got served today suing me for negligence on not securing my trucks better.From the lady that he hit. The guy stole my truck which is against the law, is it against the law not to lock your truck. Only in America.:usflag:

jsf343
05-11-2006, 12:29 AM
whaaaaaaaat?!! its because you are a business bro. They see $$$$$$ when they see a business truck. wow, sorry to hear that. not surprised though.
good luck with that, keep us informed. jeff

dcgreenspro
05-11-2006, 01:57 AM
that lady and the guy who stole your truck should both be pistol-whipped. Main problem in america, people trying to sue other people who really had no involvement in the whole thing. Makes me sick. I hope everything works out in the end for you.gl

Coreyb
05-11-2006, 12:20 PM
sounds like she has one of those ambulance chasing lawyers. anyone can sue for anything, doesn't mean they will win, just cost you valuable time and money to defend yourself. i have a former employee suing me right now because he got a piece of dirt in his eye, even though he should have been wearing safety glasses. turns out he had pink eye, no dirt. still suing though. god bless the U.S.A. he is hispanic.

rodfather
05-11-2006, 06:57 PM
Not just Josey TJ...that is just the American mentality anymore these days...sue sue sue and f*** you very much.

Lawn Masters
05-11-2006, 07:03 PM
I really wish people would simply stop suing everyone over stupid s*** like this. its stupid.

All_Clear
05-11-2006, 10:27 PM
Sh!t like that makes me sick..... and then there are people that were let go from their job, FMLA denied, all while being directed by a heart specialist that I need to have my heart surgery right away.... How does that happen... Who knows, basicly they viewe their employes as replacable.
No cobra offered, no nothing, loss of job, health insurance, etc... Not a single lawyer would talk to me because they didn't want to go against a huge automotive corp. (I'd have cared less about suing for cash, I wanted my heart fixed and my job!)
Finally did get my heart surgery done....

I guess i wouldn't be building my business today if it weren't for all that!

The lady needs a kick in the head and I'd like to be second in line... I'll let you go first.

Hopefully you can get by without having to drain a bank account.

Good luck!
All Clear

VBsnow
05-15-2006, 05:44 PM
Um, ok. Odds are that the woman's ins co is suing through what is known as subrogation. This is when one persons ins co goes after another for funds payed out in the loss. The post did not mention if the suit was for bodily injury or property damage. Sadly, if she did go to a lawyer you better believe he won't be making any luxury car payments by "helping" her. They will be after the money. While your speaking with your attorney, please ask him why my medical insurance is so high. You could possibly browse the thread about operating w/o insurance thread for some amusing ideas how to beat this suit. I am kidding of course.

TJLANDS
05-15-2006, 06:39 PM
Yes, she is suing for pain and suffering. Her car was a 2004 Mercedes. Total damage for her car was only 2200.00. Just a tail light and a scratch on the bumper. This I heard thru the prosecutor at the time the guy pleaded guilty to stealing my truck.

VBsnow
05-17-2006, 11:39 AM
Hey Tj,

While they are there are different laws in many states, they are most likely to hold you responsible. Here in Virginia, burglar's are protected from injury if they break in your home. While they may not win, you can be sued.

In your case, the fact it was proven to be stolen may help you if this case goers to a jury. You will be dealing with actual people on the jury who may be sympathetic to your plight. Odds are better that this will be settled by your INS Co before it goes that far. If liability of the driver of your vehicle has already been determined, they most likely will not want to go to court. You see the insurance follows the car and your car did in fact cause the damage if liability has been proven. Especially if there is a visible injury such as broken bones, loss of limb, stitches, ect. Try not to be too angry with the company, if they pay it is to protect your interests as well. You do not have alot of say because most policies require you allow them to handle the case as they see fit. I hope you have enough insurance to cover any loss that may be presented. Soft tissue damage such as back and neck injury are very difficult to prove or disprove.

Years ago I had a client who had a claim with his wrecker. The person(also in Mercedes) said he rolled backwards at a light and hit their car. He stated the obvious that she had in fact run into the back of him. The company settled and paid the physical damage claim.

My ex-wife bumped a drunk woman who was actually drinking at the time, in a grocery store parking lot at 9AM. The complained her beer was knocked over and my wife went in to buy her another one. When she exited the store 2 "family members" had arrived and the drunk was being loaded in an ambulance(quick, huh). That woman received 25K from my insurance policy for unproven knee damage. I didn't even get the beer.

My job leaves me truly confused some days.

VBsnow
05-17-2006, 11:39 AM
Sorry about the spelling folks. Gotta go.

Surf'n'Turf
05-18-2006, 12:53 AM
Yes, she is suing for pain and suffering. Her car was a 2004 Mercedes. Total damage for her car was only 2200.00. Just a tail light and a scratch on the bumper. This I heard thru the prosecutor at the time the guy pleaded guilty to stealing my truck.

F'ers those lawyers are. I had a guy sue me for saying he slipped on ice after snow removal services were performed. No one saw it, he had no proof and disclaimer on my contract stated 'contractor will not be held responsible for any formation of ice or slippery conditions as result of melting and re-freezing snow or leaking and/or faulty rain gutters, as was the case over 48 hours of original service. Guy claims all kind of stuff....back problems (already a pre-exisiting condition we find out) sexual dysfunction and other BS. My wife and I see this lying sack o' **** in a bar shortly there after I was served....dancing the night away. Now, he don't know who I am, but I know who he is and thank God my wife provided a voice of reason....or he would have more than just the afore mentioned discomforts if I had my way with him that night. Long story short, my insurance paid 15 grand to shut him up and not go to trial. Free money for him and his blood suckin' lawyer.

topsites
05-18-2006, 01:25 PM
I am sorry but America does have a serious problem with the responsibility issue, specifically who is responsible.
The problem is, the responsible one(s) don't want to accept fault, but then the victims go placing the blame on third parties, half the time the only reason is because they are going after the one with the money rather than the loser, but that is WRONG ! Loser or not, they need to go after the guy who holds the ball, not the one who inflated it three weeks ago.

According to some court cases, the party host is responsible for drunks leaving and getting in a wreck. This was recently overturned but it may have been in Canada... Either way, I agree: The responsibility lies with the drunk and not the host, same with your case, the responsibility is with the thief! You may be able to serve the thief in return for the damages, but I would be sure to clarify in court as to who is responsible.

As far as I'm concerned, even if the keys are in the car and the car is unlocked and the windows are rolled down and it is parked in an open area, it is still illegal for anyone except the car's owner to operate the vehicle or a person whom the car's owner has given the authority to do so. In this case, the fact the employee got fired removes said authority.
That's the way it is, and Americans need to get with it because that's the way it should be.

After all, if I leave my house unlocked at all times (which I do) and some kids come in here and hurt themselves, am I at fault?
NO! They were trespassing first, and even thou they didn't break anything to get inside, it's still unlawful entry.

So you got to take lessons from Bill Gates, they don't mess with him no more.

VBsnow
05-18-2006, 02:27 PM
I brought this subject up in my office. It appears that in VA, I am not sure in you state, that if the ex-employee was in fact convicted, the claim may be denied. While I am no attorney, nor do I know wheere you live, there may be a glimmer of hope. Hopefully these people will not need to be pistol whipped.:hammerhead:

TJLANDS
09-06-2007, 12:43 AM
Just thought that anyone interested would like to know that my insurance company settled and paid 275K. That is right 275,000.00. That is what is wrong with this country and this great state of NJ.
No jury, no trial just a bunch of suits sitting in an office somewhere laughing.
Really puts a bad taste in your mouth.

topsites
09-06-2007, 01:12 AM
No, the worst part is this:

1) It's everyone's dream of a free ride, you know as well as I do that businesses ALL have MONEY!!!
Oh yeah, millions and billions in cold hard cash stashed in coffers in some faraway castle.
Sure we do, you know it and I know it, and that's why they sue, guaranteed.
That's the sick of it, that it's not about their supposed loss.
Pain and suffering, one word: LOL
Sure they're disabled, yeah, me too...
What it is, it's the big jackpot hoorah!
And it's so they can sit on their phat lazy bums for the rest of their lives.

Here's the good part:

2) As you know it's not free money. Your insurance may have paid but it makes no difference whether your business or theirs forked it over, insurance is a business just like yours (translation: they also have no faraway castle with cash-brimming coffers)...
Thus in the end guess who pays for it all?

That's right, the consumer.
That's why they hike rates, everybody pays.
By the way I hate companies that don't stand up for themselves, this crap should've got thrown out of court, then again the Insco figures out court costs and likely pays the lesser of two evils.
Why don't the states do it like the commonwealths, you can't sue for this crap in a commonwealth.

On this same trend, all the folks who felt it was so right to sue Phillip Morris?
This isn't about phillip morris per se, it's an example...
Look at the price of a pack of cigarettes today.
3.5 times what it cost 20 years ago.
Some is taxes and regs, but a LOT is lawsuit back payola.
Once again, the consumer pays, they have to, the business simply does NOT have that faraway stash of cash.

So, WE pay for THEM to sit on said bum.
You, and me, and everyone else, everytime we buy a product or service from a corporation that's been sued, we pay for it.
And we pay for the plaintiff who won to sit around and do nothing.

bohiaa
09-06-2007, 09:59 AM
maybe you should sue the makers of the truck......

I mean if they had never made a truck you wouldn't be in this mess

Mrs. H
09-06-2007, 10:36 AM
This is the kind of thing that makes my stomach turn all day. I have no intelligent opinion on the matter...I just know the stress is killing you. Just another day owning your own business! Hope everything works out for you!

Frontier-Lawn
09-06-2007, 11:22 AM
Just thought that anyone interested would like to know that my insurance company settled and paid 275K. That is right 275,000.00. That is what is wrong with this country and this great state of NJ.
No jury, no trial just a bunch of suits sitting in an office somewhere laughing.
Really puts a bad taste in your mouth.

and what company was this that rolled over like a piggy bank and droped out money!

leardriver
09-06-2007, 11:41 AM
That pisses me off. People need to take responsibility for their own actions and stop sueing others.

MarcSmith
09-06-2007, 12:42 PM
OK In the womans defense, she never asked to be hit, she never asked to be hurt or have her car damaged, and have to jump through all the hoops to get it all squareed away

But to sue you for "not securing your vehicle better"
May be I'll sue Gillette next time I cut my face "for making their razors too sharp".....

The lawyer who took the case should be tared and feathered and the judge who allowed the case to even get a trial date should be removed form the bench....
Americans who want a "free ride" are not the problem....the legal system that allows it is...

MarcSmith
09-06-2007, 12:44 PM
Just thought that anyone interested would like to know that my insurance company settled and paid 275K. That is right 275,000.00. That is what is wrong with this country and this great state of NJ.
No jury, no trial just a bunch of suits sitting in an office somewhere laughing.
Really puts a bad taste in your mouth.

TJ, the next time you are in DC let me know...I need a new car maybe you can back into mine so I can sue you and settle with your insurance company for having a truck that has mirrors that are too small....:)

badassgrass
09-06-2007, 01:25 PM
Watch. Now they will raise your rates now that you have a claim against you eventhough you had no say in it.

$2,200 in damages and get 275k?

TJLANDS
09-06-2007, 02:49 PM
The girl claimed neck and back injuries and claimed that she had surgery as a direct result of the accident, funny thing is she was involved in another accident the next week. The 2200.00 in damages was just a tailight on her
new Mercedes. The guy that was arrested for stealing my truck got nothing because he had nothing.

SCAG POWER
09-06-2007, 04:32 PM
Hay that sounds like the commerical that allstate runs for fraud . It call a swoop and smash.................. She and the guy are partners in the whole scam.Wounder what the split was.

TWUllc
09-06-2007, 06:11 PM
Man, I feel sorry for you. I'd be on the verge of loosing it after that BS. Hang in there.

DBL
09-06-2007, 07:27 PM
im fired up and i havent even lost anything in the deal

analogdog
09-08-2007, 10:11 PM
Is there any chance the guy could have had copies of the keys made without your knowledge before he was fired? If he had copies of the keys than how could you possibly secure your vechicle better.

Needadayoff
09-09-2007, 10:03 AM
I moonlight as a "Cleaner" :gunsfirin please provide the names and addresses of the parties involved. I will knock 10% off what ever the attorney is going to charge you (Am I being a low baller?).

GraZZmaZter
09-10-2007, 04:09 PM
WOW ... im at a loss for words.

TJLANDS
09-10-2007, 06:22 PM
I moonlight as a "Cleaner" :gunsfirin please provide the names and addresses of the parties involved. I will knock 10% off what ever the attorney is going to charge you (Am I being a low baller?).

No attorney fees, it was all covered......Thanks anyway, maybe later when I renew my insurance in May.

GreenT
09-10-2007, 11:56 PM
Just thought that anyone interested would like to know that my insurance company settled and paid 275K. That is right 275,000.00. That is what is wrong with this country and this great state of NJ.
No jury, no trial just a bunch of suits sitting in an office somewhere laughing.
Really puts a bad taste in your mouth.



Makes me want to puke! :angry: :angry: :angry:

As the venerable philosopher Don King would say: "Only in America!"

Lord help us

TJLANDS
09-13-2007, 07:19 PM
I was also told in a three-way conferance call that my rates would not
increase. That I find hard to believe. We will see come spring time.

kandklandscape
02-07-2008, 08:57 AM
275k for a benz ahhh lol, heck come and bump one of my trucks or cars, give me 275k do whatever you want lol, sorry had to say it.

pain and suffering is something that serious people shall get ONLY.

I was hit in 2004 by a drunk driver, almost killed actually. The drunk driver had hit us head on, he was changing his CD player..... I was entrapped into the car, my leg hit the dash board, head hit the roof, and airbag hit my balls.

Out of all of this I suffered a badly knee problem I will live with the rest of my life. I had, well still have a brian injury, slurry speach at times, lisp, and just normal things that people do that sometimes I can not anymore. Just had my screws taking out of my leg last week from this idiot. I was removed by the car from jars of life, my heart almost stopped as I went into somewhat of a comma they said, life flight was there but I tamed down a great bit. Went threw therapy, phsical therapy for 2 years, 3 surgerys, and alot more stuff to. Never thought I would be able to have any children either because of the airbag hitting my testicles, got a nice big lump on the one still!

Suing is one thing but what this witch did is another. Surely I had gotten a fair share of pain and suffering, so in my case I find it just fine. over 750k in med bills I had and still have quite a bit still.

Lost my partner in 2006 which of course he helped me out alot in the business. He was only 24 and died of MDS, fatal blood disorder. Local hospital told him he had heartburn!!!! Went to Pittsburgh and they found what was really wrong with him, so life has been bad these past couple of years. Miss him desperatly, as he was my best friend since the 5th grade, he was even my best man in my wedding.

Enough about myself, now go hit into the benz witch lady and get your money back.

I do feel horrible about one thing that happened to the drunk. His wife divorced him and he lost his house and everything. I do feel bad as I am a honest person however he got what he deserved. I was only 21 at the time, now I am turnign 26 soon and have problems for the rest of my life.

Happy Frog
02-07-2008, 01:45 PM
Elections are coming up... Your choice, your laws...
Go vote or don't b!tch about the system.
Do you know that in France, the law requires you to carry unlimited personal liability insurance on your vehicle?
Yes, you read it right: unlimited liability coverage and insurances are cheaper too...
This is made possible because the law doesn't allow one to sue for no valid reasons (like the judge who sued his cleaner for 5 M for loosing his pants).
Food for thoughts :drinkup:

capelawncare.com
02-07-2008, 03:04 PM
Thats as bad as fat people suing Mc Donalds because their FAT!

bohiaa
02-09-2008, 11:12 AM
this story just doesn't pass the smell test....

Proving negligence, is next to impossable, in this situwation,

TJLANDS
02-09-2008, 04:00 PM
KandK she got the 275K for injuries she claimed she received in the accident, the only damage was a 2200.00 taillight.

Midstate Lawncare
02-11-2008, 05:53 PM
Vote McCain and crap like this might change.
Vote Hillary or Obama and you are inviting things like this.

I am physically ill after reading this, and all I can say to you TJ is sorry man.

mgugliotti
02-11-2008, 06:38 PM
Man that sucks! but it could be worse! do you know that if you have an employee and you sent him to a customers house and he later went back to the property to commit a crime you could be to blame! you should know the laws and most of all- you should do a back ground check on your employees... there is a company here in CT that specializes in that kind of stuff, and they work nationally. They are extremely reasonable i think a drivers license check and a criminal back ground check is under 50 bucks... money well spent if you ask me! plus this is a great PR thing too- you can tell your customers that all your employees have passed back ground checks- it tells your customers that you care about your business and them, and it will give you a leg up on the competition. I don't know if I can post the link to the site but if anyone is interested and if you know i can post it let me know and I will. Frankly I think it is the only responsible thing we can do as business owners.
mg

Johnson LCO
02-11-2008, 08:50 PM
I went to a gun club meeting and there was a discussion that pertains to this. The discussion was about two separate break ins where the criminal sued and won money. The first case the criminal slipped and fell while in a house trying to steal. He sued for injury and won a substantial amount of money. The second case the robber was in the house, drew a gun and was shot. He later sued for injury and the case was settled for a large sum of money. People were debating whether it was worth defending themselves or just letting someone steal form them. After all was said, the consensus was that you should shoot to kill. A dead man cant sue you. His family can try but hopefully you can win. Now this does not apply if he is not armed because then you are screwed. If I can find the articles that pertain to these I will post them but it was a long time ago.

VBsnow
02-15-2008, 01:39 PM
Here in Va, Kilgore just proposed and passed a bil lonto senate that allows lawyers to know how much insurance you have BEFORE they sue you. I read about it on a local site. Here is what I cut:

HB 172 passes House on a 55 to 43 vote

Fight transfers to the Senate

HB 172 Insurance liability; disclosure of limits to an attorney for an injured person. PATRON: Terry G. Kilgore Relating to the disclosure of insurance policy limits prior to the filing of a lawsuit.

It was so close that it was heartbreaking – 55 to 43. We have a lot to be proud of however as the last time this bill came out of the House, it was on a 90 to 10 vote. Here’s who voted in FAVOUR of HB 172:

Albo, Alexander, Amundson, Armstrong, Athey, BaCote, Barlow, Bouchard, Brink, Bulova, Caputo, Crockett-Stark, Dance, Ebbin, Eisenberg, Englin, Fralin, Griffith, Hall, Howell, A.T., Hugo, Iaquinto, Ingram, Joannou, Johnson, Jones, D.C., Kilgore, Lewis, Marsden, Mathieson, May, McClellan, Melvin, Miller, P.J., Moran, Morrissey, Nixon, Orrock, Peace, Phillips, Plum, Purkey, Putney, Scott, J.M., Shannon, Sherwood, Sickles, Spruill, Suit, Toscano, Tyler, Vanderhye, Ward, Ware, O., Watts

And here’s who voted AGAINST HB 172:

Abbitt, Bell, Bowling, Byron, Carrico, Cline, Cole, Cosgrove, Cox, Frederick, Gear, Gilbert, Hamilton, Hargrove, Hogan, Hull, Janis, Jones, S.C., Landes, Lingamfelter, Lohr, Marshall, D.W., Marshall, R.G., Massie, Merricks, Miller, J.H., Morgan, Nichols, Nutter, O'Bannon, Oder, Pogge, Poindexter, Poisson, Rust, Saxman, Scott, E.T., Shuler, Tata, Valentine, Ware, R.L., Wright, Mr. Speaker


It’s interesting to see who voted for the bill in committee, and then voted against the bill when it came before the full House of Delegates. Your e-mails, visits and phone calls worked!

The fight is not over. We now go to the Senate Courts of Justice Committee whose members include:

Marsh (Chairman), Saslaw, Stolle, Quayle, Norment, Howell, Lucas, Edwards, Reynolds, Puller, Cuccinelli, Obenshain, McDougle, Deeds, Hurt

Urge your Senator to vote "NO" on HB 172!

AI Inc
02-15-2008, 01:41 PM
My ex wife was involved in an accident with a stolen car. The people in the car were hurt and the ins company of the person it was stolen from had to pay for their injuries. How sad is that.

VBsnow
02-15-2008, 01:50 PM
"Vote McCain and crap like this might change.
Vote Hillary or Obama and you are inviting things like this. "

What a load of crap. I sat here waiting for Bush with a republican majority in both the house and senate to alter these laws or to limit welfare. Nothing happened. See my earlier post about the legislation in VA. Lawyers protecting lawyers my friend, regardless of red or blue. People need to quit with this party crap and look at the individual.

An excellent example is your state senator Obama. I cannot even find what this clown ever did vote for. He seemed to just not show up.

TJLANDS
02-16-2008, 10:40 AM
Here in Va, Kilgore just proposed and passed a bil lonto senate that allows lawyers to know how much insurance you have BEFORE they sue you. I read about it on a local site. Here is what I cut:

HB 172 passes House on a 55 to 43 vote

Fight transfers to the Senate

HB 172 Insurance liability; disclosure of limits to an attorney for an injured person. PATRON: Terry G. Kilgore Relating to the disclosure of insurance policy limits prior to the filing of a lawsuit.

It was so close that it was heartbreaking – 55 to 43. We have a lot to be proud of however as the last time this bill came out of the House, it was on a 90 to 10 vote. Here’s who voted in FAVOUR of HB 172:

Albo, Alexander, Amundson, Armstrong, Athey, BaCote, Barlow, Bouchard, Brink, Bulova, Caputo, Crockett-Stark, Dance, Ebbin, Eisenberg, Englin, Fralin, Griffith, Hall, Howell, A.T., Hugo, Iaquinto, Ingram, Joannou, Johnson, Jones, D.C., Kilgore, Lewis, Marsden, Mathieson, May, McClellan, Melvin, Miller, P.J., Moran, Morrissey, Nixon, Orrock, Peace, Phillips, Plum, Purkey, Putney, Scott, J.M., Shannon, Sherwood, Sickles, Spruill, Suit, Toscano, Tyler, Vanderhye, Ward, Ware, O., Watts

And here’s who voted AGAINST HB 172:

Abbitt, Bell, Bowling, Byron, Carrico, Cline, Cole, Cosgrove, Cox, Frederick, Gear, Gilbert, Hamilton, Hargrove, Hogan, Hull, Janis, Jones, S.C., Landes, Lingamfelter, Lohr, Marshall, D.W., Marshall, R.G., Massie, Merricks, Miller, J.H., Morgan, Nichols, Nutter, O'Bannon, Oder, Pogge, Poindexter, Poisson, Rust, Saxman, Scott, E.T., Shuler, Tata, Valentine, Ware, R.L., Wright, Mr. Speaker


It’s interesting to see who voted for the bill in committee, and then voted against the bill when it came before the full House of Delegates. Your e-mails, visits and phone calls worked!

The fight is not over. We now go to the Senate Courts of Justice Committee whose members include:

Marsh (Chairman), Saslaw, Stolle, Quayle, Norment, Howell, Lucas, Edwards, Reynolds, Puller, Cuccinelli, Obenshain, McDougle, Deeds, Hurt

Urge your Senator to vote "NO" on HB 172!

What a joke. I just cant believe they came up with a bill like that. I will call for sure.

Midstate Lawncare
02-18-2008, 12:03 AM
"Vote McCain and crap like this might change.
Vote Hillary or Obama and you are inviting things like this. "

What a load of crap. I sat here waiting for Bush with a republican majority in both the house and senate to alter these laws or to limit welfare. Nothing happened. See my earlier post about the legislation in VA. Lawyers protecting lawyers my friend, regardless of red or blue. People need to quit with this party crap and look at the individual.

An excellent example is your state senator Obama. I cannot even find what this clown ever did vote for. He seemed to just not show up.

you are right! all I have ever seen obama do is smile, wave and talk the other candidates down.

rmmllc
02-18-2008, 11:43 PM
if you need money for a lawyer post a fund raising thread =), I'd donate a few bucks. THe stupidity of some people!

J&R Landscaping
02-18-2008, 11:53 PM
Only in America... How the heck can a meir $2200 in damage cause all that BS. And a FAIR SETTLEMENT is $275,000.

I don't understand how that is the least bit justified. Just from the womans profile, the case should be thrown out. What did she get from the accident the next week? That must be her proffession...

That whole story leaves a sick feeling in your stomach and a fire under your a$$.

rmmllc
02-19-2008, 12:01 AM
I moonlight as a "Cleaner" :gunsfirin please provide the names and addresses of the parties involved. I will knock 10% off what ever the attorney is going to charge you (Am I being a low baller?).
I'm adding you to my "buddy list"- just in case I need you to help me out sometime.
:usflag: