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grass disaster
05-16-2006, 01:16 AM
just need to seal my driveway. residential 3 stall driveway nothing too big.

i'm looking for a good inexpensive product to seal it.

would you reccoment rolling it on???? i have never done this before.

RayGauthier
05-16-2006, 10:42 AM
If you look into it and see the cost of buying roller's and maybe a new pair of shoes and the cost of sealer and your time to do it go to and price it out and you will see that maybe you should call someone in your area.

I have been sealing now for 6 years and all my clients say with that price why do it your self "have it done right"
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SealAndCoat
05-16-2006, 01:29 PM
I recomend buying Latexite Optimum Titanium Fortified sealer, around $20 a pail. Get the best sealer you can find cuz the cheap stuff is just water down. I recommend squeegeeing it on, rollers are a pain. If the pavement is real hot and its drying too fast and leaving marks, VERY LIGHTLY mist the pavement with water to cool it down and help the sealer glide.

If its never been sealed, you will need two coats. Either both this year, same day, same week, a few months apart, whatever, or a 2nd coat next year. One coat will not last as long as two. Don't get in the habbit of doing it too often, after you do the two coats, you should be fine for at least 3-4 years. Reseal when the pavement is starting to show thru after the sealer has started to wear away.

Step 1) Edge the driveway to expose the edges of the asphalt.
Step 2) Seal cracks, if you dont have a lot, use a cold-pour crack sealer, the best you can buy, and SHAKE IT REALLY GOOD cuz that stuff sits on shelves for who knows how long. If you have more than just a couple small cracks, buy Latexite Ply-Stix and a small torch/propane bottle (whats used for sweating plumbing pipes and soldering) and melt that into the crack following the directions. While not quite the same as professional hot-applied crack/joint sealants, its probably the best a home owner could buy.
Step 3) Clean the driveway the best you can. The cleaner it is, teh better the sealer will stick. Dont seal until all dirt/mud/etc is cleaned off. Use steal bristled brooms. You can also scrub it with a broom while its wet using dish detergent. Make sure whatever "Driveway Clenaers" you use do not contain petrolum products as these will damage your asphalt. Some products labeled as such are not for use on asphalt.

After cleaning, seal way.

Check out www.latexite.com for some of the products I mentioned.

But, not matter

onahill
05-17-2006, 10:27 AM
If you look into it and see the cost of buying roller's and maybe a new pair of shoes and the cost of sealer and your time to do it go to and price it out and you will see that maybe you should call someone in your area.

I have been sealing now for 6 years and all my clients say with that price why do it your self "have it done right"
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I agree hire it out..

If you splash any seal-coat (and you will) on yourself and your out in the sun it will burn your skin. Your going to get it on your concrete, on the garage, lawn, house, shoes, pants, shirt, then track it into the house!!!
After the last one your wife is going to:hammerhead: you!!!lol

Now enter in your time to clean and seal your drive are you still saving money?

Then there is the..:cry: Oops !!!I knocked over a bucked of seal-coat:dizzy:

Still want to do it your self?

grass disaster
05-17-2006, 07:36 PM
i would just feel better knowing that i did it myself i guess. i'm sure it doesn't take a rocket scientist to do this.

onahill
05-17-2006, 10:19 PM
i would just feel better knowing that i did it myself i guess. i'm sure it doesn't take a rocket scientist to do this.


Your right, no need for a degree, lol!
It's easy to do. It just takes a little experience doing it.
so it looks good and the sealer gets on the drive and not on every thing else thats all.
Good luck.



SealAndCoat, ". I recommend squeegeeing it on "
DITO..:

DJL50
05-20-2006, 09:54 PM
What do you pro's charge to do it per bucket or however you figure it. I would find it hard to believe one could hire it done just as cheap as doing it yourself. My drive is 100" with a two car turn around and I had less than $50 in the project. I used Bruer Coat.

onahill
05-21-2006, 10:37 AM
What do you pro's charge to do it per bucket or however you figure it. I would find it hard to believe one could hire it done just as cheap as doing it yourself. My drive is 100" with a two car turn around and I had less than $50 in the project. I used Bruer Coat.


O.k why the pro is cheaper?

you will trash
1. Your shoes , pants, shirt, you will splash the seal-coat on your garage and house.
2. Your feet will be covered in seal-coat and you will walk into your house and track sealer all over the carpeting.

3, When sealer gets on your skin and when the sun is shining it will burn your skin.(why? black sealer absorbes heat from the sun and gets hot)

4. You will need to buy a broom or squeegee for the application.

5. You will spend your free time (all day) sealing your drive.
(what is your time worth?)
How much does all this cost? And we haven't even added in the sealer yet?

My drive is 100" with a two car turn around
How wide? or what is the SQ. footage of your drive.
A pro will clean and seal your drive for around $100 per 1000sq feet.

There will only be sealer on the asphalt and not on the house and garage or lawn. And you had the whole day to do what ever you wanted to do.

DJL50
05-21-2006, 06:11 PM
I have thought about the idea myself sealing drives for others but could never figure out what would be a good balance of profit for me and value for the customer. The points you make are all good and valid but would think they would be small in the eyes of the customer. Who don't have old shoes etc.. to do the work in. If not you could go to Steve's and Berry's and get a pair of new shoes, paints and shirt for $24 total. If in your example I would spend all day sealing my drive, flip that around am I going to make much profit if I charged only $100 and work all day. Just some thoughts that go through my head.

Thanks for your ideas

onahill
05-21-2006, 08:37 PM
As a professional you would own the necessary equipment that would allow you to do 10 drives a day or more if you wished. $$$

As for doing it your self, most people will make a day of it lol:drinkup:and get it all over them selves and splash it on the house too...

It's not hard to do, it just takes some skill and a little practice to get it to look good. IE. no streaks, brush or squeegee marks, or over spray and all the same color, a nice mat black. Not gray with squiggly marks!

grass disaster
06-27-2006, 09:26 PM
update i did my own

well i decided to go against the majority of the advice from you guys.

i seal coated my driveway myself

took me about 2 hours...1/2 hour previous day to apply crack sealer with trawl.

i had an old pair of boots and i took my painters pants and went to town.

no i did not splash it all over the place....no streaks.... no burning skin(hahaha)

cost was $52
2 buckets
1 broom/squeegee

although i am glad i did it my self i would not want to do this for a living, my back was sore.... maybe i needed a longer handle on the squeegee though

onahill
06-28-2006, 09:44 AM
Well, Good for you!!!lol:cool2:

Thats 1 & 1/2hr longer than the pros would have taken..

a longer handle on the squeegee would have helped.

No streaks???? really?? thats pretty good for doing it your self.

no splashing on the house, garage or your self either, thats very good.
Did you get any on the lawn or the concrete apron for the garage?

I could use a guy like you with a little practice you could be doing 8 to 10 drives a day. lol:waving:

grass disaster
06-28-2006, 08:16 PM
Well, Good for you!!!lol:cool2:

Thats 1 & 1/2hr longer than the pros would have taken..

a longer handle on the squeegee would have helped.

No streaks???? really?? thats pretty good for doing it your self.

no splashing on the house, garage or your self either, thats very good.
Did you get any on the lawn or the concrete apron for the garage?

I could use a guy like you with a little practice you could be doing 8 to 10 drives a day. lol:waving:


Ok i'll admit today when i saw it after it dried, i did see some streaks. they are minimal in my opinion. i was running short twards the end of the driveway so i put in a little bit of water to thin it out. i don't have any straks in that section of the pavement.

oh yeah i did get some on the lawn but i really didn't care about that.


it does look like it could possibly use a second coat but i think i'm going to wait till next year so i can keep it looking BLACK.

ChicagoSeal
07-03-2006, 11:32 PM
A decent bucket sealer costs 20 bucks for 5 gallons. 5 gallons of sealer will cost the company doing it for you a little over 5 dollars. This is why it will cost you the same amount to have the company come and do it professionally compared to doing it yourself, regardless if you're going to buy a good squeegie (50+ bucks for one that will do the job correct) ruin your shoes, pants, shirt, whatever. The cost of quality sealer available to the consumer is far too much money to make it worth it, even if you can do a great job the first time.

One of the things I put on flyers sometimes is "We will do your driveway cheaper than if you did it yourself." Some may not believe it, but when you write down the numbers, it all adds up.

With 80 gallons of sealer and 20 gallons of water (what my local mnfct. reccomends) costs me about 115 dollars. That would cost a consumer 320 bucks.

ChicagoSeal
07-03-2006, 11:38 PM
Also, in order to have a high quality seal, you should be putting about 4 lbs of sand per gallon into your sealer, depending on what type you use. Adding sand into the contractor's cost is not really an issue, bc 100lb of silica sand is something like 6-10 dollars, depending on your area.

Your best bet is to call 4-5 sealcoating companies. That way you'll probably get 3 of them that will actually show up to give you an estimate. AFTER they give you the estimate ask them how much sand they put in it, and if they can specify the amount on the contract. Also, if they are spraying it, make sure your price includes the RECOMMENDED 2 coats. If not, don't do it. Too many companies will spray on a very thin coat and it'll wear off quickly.

A nice squeegie, even if it is one coat, with sand mixed into the sealer, will last you a few years.

Also, make sure that they are using a coal based sealer, the other products just aren't up to them in terms of durability yet. The shiny black sealers hardly do anything, and most contractors that use them add too much water, at least in the Chicago area. Hope that helps.

ChicagoSeal
07-03-2006, 11:42 PM
update i did my own

well i decided to go against the majority of the advice from you guys.

i seal coated my driveway myself

took me about 2 hours...1/2 hour previous day to apply crack sealer with trawl.

i had an old pair of boots and i took my painters pants and went to town.

no i did not splash it all over the place....no streaks.... no burning skin(hahaha)

cost was $52
2 buckets
1 broom/squeegee

although i am glad i did it my self i would not want to do this for a living, my back was sore.... maybe i needed a longer handle on the squeegee though


Sorry didn't see that until after I posted.

Two buckets and a cheap squeegie, you did do it cheaper than it would've cost you. I forgot to mention, if your driveway is something like 400 square feet, there is no reason to call somebody to do it if you want to save yourself 50 bucks. It's really tough to find somebody good to do your driveway if it's that small for under 100 bucks.

But when you get to 1,000 sq. feet and above, I'd definitely recommend calling somebody, besides quality, you will actually save money, as mentioned in the post above.

Oh, and getting sealer on your lawn, it'll grow out in a few weeks and when you cut it the sealer is gone. When I seal my own driveway I get it all over the edges, just because I know it'll be gone in a week and don't mind. Customer's on the other hand, they mind, so I never get any on their grass.

grass disaster
07-06-2006, 09:41 PM
got a flyer on the dam mail box today

they wanted $180 to do the driveway

now i'm glad i did my own for $50

mayfly
09-07-2010, 01:43 PM
OK, let us be realistic. You are not necessarily going to splash on the house, on your clothes on your skin or leave streaks. I think it is a bit over-the-top to make those kinds of remarks.

It is like stating that you should get your lawn mowed professionally because if you don't it will cost you:

- replacement electrical chord from running over it: $25
- replcement blade from running over a bolder: $49
- repainting the fence boards from scratching it: $25
= total cost of lawn mowing $99. A professional would have done it for $20 (in half the time)

Anyone who is any bit carefull will do a good job. Might not look perfect, but it will do. My 2-car driveway cost me a total of $25+tax (cost of one bucket of sealer and roller) and about 2 hours of my life. Next time I will use a squeegee for a flatter finish, but it turned out pretty good with the roller as well.

fullmetalbucket
09-08-2010, 01:54 PM
OK, let us be realistic. You are not necessarily going to splash on the house, on your clothes on your skin or leave streaks. I think it is a bit over-the-top to make those kinds of remarks.

It is like stating that you should get your lawn mowed professionally because if you don't it will cost you:

- replacement electrical chord from running over it: $25
- replcement blade from running over a bolder: $49
- repainting the fence boards from scratching it: $25
= total cost of lawn mowing $99. A professional would have done it for $20 (in half the time)

Anyone who is any bit carefull will do a good job. Might not look perfect, but it will do. My 2-car driveway cost me a total of $25+tax (cost of one bucket of sealer and roller) and about 2 hours of my life. Next time I will use a squeegee for a flatter finish, but it turned out pretty good with the roller as well.

Ummm.... Welcome to the site?
:waving:

fullmetalbucket
09-08-2010, 02:06 PM
got a flyer on the dam mail box today

they wanted $180 to do the driveway

now i'm glad i did my own for $50

Could it be that the guy who is charging $180.00 is actually trying to MAKE MONEY by providing a service? If it cost you $50.00 that's great but it seems to me whenever I read about lawn maintenance companies caving in to low balling customers there's always reference to the cost of doing business.... IE. insurance, wages, WSIB, vehicle and equipment maintenance and fuel costs. Why are all you guys getting down on professional asphalt maintenance contractors rates? There isn't much difference between lawn and driveway maintenance.... BOTH have the cost of materials purchased to do the job, BOTH have employees, BOTH have expensive equipment and vehicles (if done right) and BOTH require some measure of expertise to achieve good results your customers are pleased with.
Just remember, anyone can cut grass..... it ain't brain surgery either!
:drinkup:

grass disaster
09-08-2010, 02:20 PM
way to pull up my thread from 2004.

Thanksman
12-05-2011, 05:51 PM
Could it be that the guy who is charging $180.00 is actually trying to MAKE MONEY by providing a service? If it cost you $50.00 that's great but it seems to me whenever I read about lawn maintenance companies caving in to low balling customers there's always reference to the cost of doing business.... IE. insurance, wages, WSIB, vehicle and equipment maintenance and fuel costs. Why are all you guys getting down on professional asphalt maintenance contractors rates? There isn't much difference between lawn and driveway maintenance.... BOTH have the cost of materials purchased to do the job, BOTH have employees, BOTH have expensive equipment and vehicles (if done right) and BOTH require some measure of expertise to achieve good results your customers are pleased with.
Just remember, anyone can cut grass..... it ain't brain surgery either!
:drinkup: i have to agree with ya.

grass disaster
12-10-2011, 05:13 PM
i have to agree with ya.

this post is 5 years old now. i think we can move on people.