Watch out Dixie...

[JLC]

Just got my new Grounds Maintenance magazine today and in the buyers guide they have a Hustler Super Z. They don't have their website updated, but the specs in the magazine show a 15 mph top speed with a 60 inch deck. The approximate price listed is 8995. I've never run Hustler equipment, but this outa be one heck of a mower.

Ben

[joshua]

hey, about a month ago the hustler rep. from on here came down and gave me a demo, it was on the regulaer z that they have now and if the super z is just like it, its well worth buying. i got my gounds mag. yesturday, good mag. its to bad not all the pricest for every company were listed, but their were a few good articles.

[mowerconsultant]

The Hustler Super Z will be built starting in july, and available to dealers as soon as they come off the assembly line.
The suggested list price for the unit is 8995.00 with the standard seat, and 9390.00 for the unit with the suspension seat.

Differences from the standard unit are:
25hp kawasaki, remote air filtration system, hydro coolers, larger hydro gear pumps (bdp21's), and white wheel motors (ce20's)

This unit will do 15mph out of the crate (transport speed), mowing speed will vary with conditions
Most dealers have pre ordered units, so if ya wanna see em start calling now, to get in line.

Pj

[fastmowing]

Go to your Hustler dealer in July for a test drive.

I was able to get a quick demo on a Super Z earlier this week. Driving into the wind, my cap almost flew off. The transport speed is 14 mph - - at least. The mower is very similar to the regular Z. I liked the handling and the stability on the hills.

Fun, fun machine...

[Randy Scott]

The mower could go 50 MPH's for what it's worth. You certainly can't cut at 14 MPH anyways. Blade tip speed is 18,000 fpm and that's law. The grass will not cut worth a horses a$$ at 14 much less 10 miles an hour. Top speed means nothing when you factor in all the conditions, terrain, height of grass, moisture content, etc. The blade and cutting ability will not be able to keep up to the MPH!

[HOMER]

Maybe not, but it would be a blast gettin' back to the trailer:blob3:

Who says you can't cut grass at 10-13 miles an hour, I do it all the time. Looks good too!:D

[accuratelawn]

Here we go AGAIN......

[David Gretzmier]

amazingly, even John Deere is advertising it's big out front, the 1400 I think, will mow at 11 mph. my midmount diesel is 10 at the top and it mows fine at top, but man those bumps and holes hurt, even with an aftermarket suspension seat. to mow faster, like on the dry flat weeklies, you need the ind. suspension of the ferris 4000, the soft tires of the dixie chopper, and that cool suspension seat available on the lazer, a semi-illegal tip speed, and probably at least 27 hp, maybe 31.

I'd like to buy the super z, but my last hustler ( shortcut, 54"deck, 25 hp kohler) had LOTS of problems. My dealer here is horrible, at least 2 weeks turnaround, and no parts inventory on belts, switches, hoses, anything. I know the big hustler outfronts are tanks, but they weigh in like tanks too. The walk behind we have is easy to train folks on with the h-bar, but I woe the day when it breaks. Dave g

[joshua]

mowerconsultant, hey next time you're in ohio and you have time to come down and let me demo the super z give me a call or email me, next year i will be getting a 60" lazer or the super z.

[turfguy33]

The blade tip speed is regulated at 19,000 revelutions per minute or lower. My Great Dane's blade tip speed is at or around 18,700 according to my dealer. And for the record, as long as the grass isn't extremely tall, or the ground isn't extremely bumpy, I can cut grass at 10 mph.
And I'm sorry to inform Randy Scott, but I have demoed the Dixie Chopper's 60' diesel and the Suburb'N' Turbin, and yes, that haus of a mower can and will cut grass at top speed "around 14 mph", without even considering to bog down. If you don't believe me, ask Eric or Homer, they have the Dixie's now

[Eric ELM]

Randy Scott, I used to think the same thing until I got Dixie Choppers. I guess you missed the last thread and the thread before that on cutting fast. If you have sharp blades and the grass isn't growing an inch a day, you can go full speed. If you come down to the Chicago area, I will show you that it can be done. As far as I know, blade tip speed limit is 19,000 fpm and that is what the DC's are at. There are certain lawns and grass that you can not cut at full speed, but most of the time, I'm full blast. I have not had one person yet, tell me my lawns look bad.

Below is a close up picture at turf level of a 12 MPH cut with my diesel Chopper. The stripes in the Lawnsite header are cut at 12 MPH. Most of the pictures on my website are cut at full speed. I took the picture below for all the doubting Thomas's, or Randy's in your case. :)



http://elmlawnsite.com/images/cutquality.jpg

[Fine Lines Lawn]

I've discussed this with my Dixies, and they don't seem to be worried.

[Eric ELM]

Your too funny Bill. That was a good one, sort of like the salt issue. :D

[Fallguy]

all this bragging - your all still full of s#^! - my snapper z rider($7800) for all who are concerned is in my area the fastest thing i ever test drove and in some cases i can mow fast - but at top speed - comeonnow - your still not factoring in terain - one quick buck at top speed on my snapper and you can hang up the lawn care business perminantly - i do wish i had a seatbelt and rollover protection in some of my yards - anybody mowing 12 - 14 mph - your suposed to cut the weeds - not smoke em:alien:

[HOMER]

I mowed 33,434 sq feet using my 50" Chopper yesterday in 17 minutes. I didn't miss a blade either. How do I know this? After I got done I measured it off. I've cut the same thing with my 72" Chopper in 12 minutes, I was comparing the 2 to find out which was faster.

All the while I was mowing this at 10+mph I was thinking of all the doubting Thomas's, wish they were there to prove to them that it could be done. I thought like the rest when all I had was my Scag Super Z, nah, can't be done. It would have taken me a 1/2 hour to mow the same spot with the Scag.

Seein's believin'

[CSRA Landscaping]

Fallguy, just ask yourself this: Why woul dthese gentlemen lie? Esp. Eric, who backs it up with pics. If he ever got caught in a lie about something like that -POOF!- there goes HIS credibility.

I know that with my mower it ain't gonna happen but that doesn't mean that it CAN'T happen.

[JLC]

I've been rolling full speed (10 mph) all weekend and the cut has been great. Haven't been able to do this yet this season as it seems like the grass has been especially tough to cut, but this weekend was great. We were cold, 40 degrees at night, all last week with lots of rain so maybe that did it. I wont go fast when the conditions don't give me the cut I want, but why go slow when I can cut good fast.

[Fallguy]

anybody with a camera can take a picture of whatever they want to and say they did yadda yadda in blah blah amount of time - sorry - im not buying into it - also i dont buy into the whole mowing different directons thing either - i have been mowing one property of mine now for 4 years and have never changed my pattern {big hint - dont mow when its too wet and dont make multiple passes in the same track}- its always flawless - its 3 acres and takes me last time i checked about 45 to 50 minutes to mow and thats haulin azz and some THICK AZZ GRASS to boot - oh well - im not losing sleep over this one - oh - by the way - where do i get a radar gun to clock something in the 8 to 20 mph range lol:cool:

[Cutter1]

man fallguy, who was peeing in your wheaties?!?! I cut full tilt all day everyday with my laser. Of course terrain plays a big part, don't you think these guys know this?? I always say you can cut as fast as the yard will let you, but if its wide open and relativly flat, you can cut full speed. I don't have any complaints about cutting to fast, most people just watch in amazement!! Its all about sharp blades!!

[syzer]

We cut at full speed on our Great Dane Chariot all day. The cut is beautiful. When we see or know a bump or rut is coming just ease up a bit. Its not bad at all, especially on high end residentials, always have the most awesome lawns. Looking into the surfer now, cant wait =-).

[David Gretzmier]

Fallguy- people on this site tend to value opinions more as your posts increase. when you start off the bat doubting eric, whom I consider one of the better dudes out there, you decrease YOUR credibility about your opinions in the future. Most folks here try to run a quality ship, and stripes and great equipment fall into that catagory. Sorry if you don;t like it, but look at the turf fields of america-football fields, baseball, soccer, golf- all these are striped, and all look really cool. don't our customers deserve the same? choppers tend to absorb bumps better than snappers, as most people who have used both will tell you. lighten up and uses this website for what it was designed for- a FRIENDLY excahnge of ideas. Dave g

[Richard Martin]

Originally posted by Randy Scott
Blade tip speed is 18,000 fpm and that's law. The grass will not cut worth a horses a$$ at 14 much less 10 miles an hour. Top speed means nothing when you factor in all the conditions, terrain, height of grass, moisture content, etc. The blade and cutting ability will not be able to keep up to the MPH!

Really Randy, you have got to try a DC. The blade tip speed is actually regulated by rules, not laws, at 19,000 fpm. Admittedly I cannot cut at 10 mph all the time due to the factors that you stated above but I do spend a lot of time cutting that fast and my lawns look dang good!

[Davis TLC]

I used to be a doubtor too, until I tried a Dixie Chopper. It proved to me that you can cut grass that fast and make it look good. It made mowing fun. My customers are very plesed with the appearance of their lawns and I get lots of compliments on the lawns I do. As others have pointed out lots of factors affect how fast you can cut. You just have to do what feels right to you. If mowing slower is your thing then do it, I prefer to go as fast as I can. I slow down for all turns so as not to tear the turf up.

[swn]

Fallguy - I don't understand. You are saying these guys are lying about how fast they mow and how they should mow slower to do a better job. Then you say you mow 3 acres in 45 minutes, that is 1 acre in 15 minutes, which is really fast. I am not doubting you or anyone on this site, especially Eric, who always seems to be offering everyone friendly, intelligent advice.

[Fallguy]

when i first went looking for my mower i test drove every compariable ZTR out there available in my area - Great dane - Exmark - Gravely - Toro - Hustler - Dixon - John Deere - and various others that arent even worth mentioning - i was a privious exmark fan and liked my setup which included - a exmark lazer - a 48in exmark - a 36in exmark and a 32in exmark - after i test drove my 52in snapper with 25hp kohler - i was sold - it was faster than anything i have ever test drove - had a better cut - and with all the roller castors on the deck i couldnt even accidentaly scalp a yard - i know i have one of the best mowers available and its capabilities - thats why i doubt that people are out there mowing full blast at 10 - 14 mph flawlessly - even i have spots to go back over - do you see my point? - all things considered - maybe i have rougher yards than you other people do - this was never intended to become a argument.

[muxx]

Where can you subscribe for this Grounds Maintenance magazine??

[Eric ELM]

PRO Magazine
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